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Best cheap bourbon is Elijah Craig. Not drinking anything today, need a break. Been going too hard recently

>>14198999
That one is in the 30 bucks range for me, along with others like Eagle Rare, Woodford Reserve and Nikka from the Barrel (not sure if this one is bourbon?). I wouldn't mind a recommendation for this range either. The only thing that's making me unsure is all these people going around saying WT101 is the best, so I dunno if I'm getting my moneys value worth if I go for these if they're not really better.

I wouldn't exactly call Bulleit or Buffalo Trace "cheap."

Pic related is the best bottom shelf bourbon. IMO it tastes better than Evan Williams and is slightly cheaper. It's also made by the Buffalo Trace distillery.

If we're talking bourbon under 30 euromoneybux at a local store, I go with a handle of Jim Beam. Anything over 30 I might just go with Wild Turkey 50,5% which is about 40 euros a handle.

Is bourbon the one thing that eurofags like from Americans?

>>14199281
i'd also try american brandies but they're usually not available

>>14199281
It's one of those things that are not made in Europe itself so yes.

>>14198987
I spent some time trying different bourbons last year and settled on Buffalo Trace. It’s all I’ve been drinking during lockdown.

Cheap ass fuck vodka in home made lemonade.

Both laughing and crying as my country burns.

>>14199353
You tried a bunch of different bourbons and settled on one of the blandest ones out there?

>>14198987
Monkey Shoulder

>>14198987
My general favorite "just have it" whiskey is Stranahans. Really smooth and tasty single-malt barley aged in new oak barrels using all Colorado ingredients.

Panther Distillery makes some nice whiskey, kind of cheap here in Mn.

I'm sipping something R A R E

>>14199353
This is what I've started leaning towards as well. I mainly drink scotch, but I decided to get into american whiskey after the tariffs. I've tried a couple bourbons and ryes, but I've been leaning back to basic buffalo trace. It just has classic flavors and balance.

i only drink halal alcohol

turning 21, what whiskey should I buy?

$100 budget, nothing pleb tier

I've only had Jack D, Jameson, Makers Mark before

>>14201047

so, what do you lads think of ralfy?

>>14199287
have you had american rye whiskey?

>>14201098
horst wannabe

>>14201098
I prefer this guy and pretty much everyone else t b h

>>14201098
Ralfy is more open minded and less pretentious than Horst and don't want to sell you shit.

>>14201787
t. malty mating press bottom bitch

>>14198987
That's not the way to get into whisky.
Go for mid shelf stuff until you find a few you really like. Then proceed to whittle down price with cheaper alternatives. A lot of people never even get into whisky because they end up trying trash until they inevitably quit.

>>14199010
>I wouldn't exactly call X cheap
You know that there is no price consistency across markets right?
Bulleit has always been one of the cheapest 40% abv whiskies you can buy here. There's a couple of 37% Bourbons in the $4 below that, but that's it.

Upon double checking I think it's been bumped to 45% over the quarantine. $10 more expensive. Still bottom shelf though.

>>14201098
Not consistent with his reviews. His scores are all over the place so I can't tell what he likes.

>>14201047
ardbeg 10 and save yourself 30-40 bucks

>>14201810
Well no one was talking about true bottom shelf 10 bucks stuff. Those are mid whiskeys that some consider their favorite. And when you read that some prefer WT101 over whiskeys twice its price it makes you think whether it's worth it.

>>14201047

Dewar's 21 for the novelty

>>14201836
Bulleit is true bottom shelf stuff.
$10 whisky doesn't exist, the alcohol tax alone is $21.

>>14201965
Of course it does, there's even cheaper whiskey than that. Pic related is 6 bucks. Bulleit is mid range, it costs double/triple of actual no name bottom shelf stuff.

This is what I have going on now. Been mostly drinking Godfathers with the Laphroaig or Ardbeg. Reservoir is reserved for sitting down and taking the time to analyse because it's amazing but also expensive. Bulleit is here amidst mid-shelf exploration - I think I like the Woodford better for both bourbon and rye. Botanist is for martinis or gimlets if I'm feeling it.

>>14202030

Also, the vermouth has since been moved to the fridge. Thanks for looking out, random anon. I wouldn't have known.

>>14201370
i had bulleit rye and rittenhouse. i think i prefer the former because rittenhouse is a little resinous.
>>14201766
meh, i'm pretty sure he doesn't even like whisky, he's just selling it.

>>14201833
>Not consistent with his reviews. His scores are all over the place so I can't tell what he likes.
this is also true...i also find it autistic when he starts mixing whiskies in order to "optimize" them.

>>14202121
>i'm pretty sure he doesn't even like whisky, he's just selling it.
Those were the negative reviews.
>https://youtu.be/x3hnnYgRSJE?t=285
>https://youtu.be/MULa-6e23zQ?t=413
>https://youtu.be/o7u-RwhqVxU?t=15

>>14202192
what are you trying to say?

>>14202195
You drink swill, look up swill reviews, and assume the reviewer doesn't like whiskey since he looked kind of bored and didn't have anything nice to say.
The whole point of not scoring whiskys is lost on you.

>>14202206
can't really whether you're horst's faggot son defending his dad on 4channel or just retarded.

>>14202212
+tell

>>14199281
Also rye, corn, funk, jazz and techno

>>14202206
His old videos around 2012 were much more honest. Now he's pushing nas and special edition whiskies he bitched on all the time. Reviews for niche whiskies are often short and kinda unenthusiastic, while actually boring bestsellers are the opposite.

>>14202212
You were too thick for subtext, and now that I've explained myself you think you're the smart one?

>>14202233
Some NAS's are good, and it's not like you have a choice; the market is going that way. I don't see your problem with special editions; they're usually just better finished base offerings.
It's hard to say with the niche stuff. It could be they're just shit. I haven't caught him out on anything thus far. That said, he's not doing independent bottlings (probably because he doesn't sell them) and they tend to be better than big brand experiments or finishes.
Regardless, his son will kill it and I'll have to find someone else.

>>14202297
>You were too thick for subtext, and now that I've explained myself you think you're the smart one?
lmao take your meds sören.

>>14202297
Nas is only good when it comes to smokey whiskies and you want it as rough as possible. Everything else leads whisky ad absurdum.
Horst did reviews on indepent bottlings though.

Regardless of whether you think he's being genuine or not, he's a fucking tastelet and should stick to Jagermeister.

>>14201047
Get two bottles of scotch to compare.
Laphraoig 10 for smoky peaty intense Islay.
Balvenie 12 for a smooth safe scotch.
You might go a little bit over your budget but you only turn 21 once.

>>14201047
Dalmore Port Wood + cigar

>>14202436
Is Balvenie worth trying if I thought HP12 was boring as fuck?

>>14202518
Boring or lacking in intensity?

>>14201047
Jack Daniels Barrel Proof or Russel's Reserve 10 Year

>>14202521
I dunno. I like the idea of a nice, smooth drink but HP12 didn't scratch the itch. I brought it up because they both are Speysides I think?

>>14201098
Like with a lot of the old internet whisky folk, washed up and self-absorbed.
Honestly I'd say no whisky person on YouTube is any good although The Whisky Vault is easily the most normal fag cancer of them all.

>>14202526
>Highland Park
>Speyside
Its literally on an island off the coast of Northern Scotland, not even close to Speyside.
Even then Balvenie is massively overrated and the good stuff (especially the 30yr) are massively overpriced.
If you want something thicker then HP12 then try Bunnahabhain 12.

>>14202542
>Bunnahabhain 12
Islay huh. My only reference is Talisker but that has quite the punch. You consider this one smoother?

>>14201047
Here's an idea: There are various introductory sets by Classic Malts of Scotland that usually cost around 50 bucks. Get yourself two of these (e.g. Coastal and Strong).

>>14201766
Ralfy genuinely loves what he does. Horst is a typical middle-upper management bore with a commodity fetish that just happens to be whisky. Under different circumstances it might have been model railroads or Andy Warhol memorabilia. It’s mostly status signaling to people like him.

That being said, I like his funny facial expressions and the amount of downvotes and negative comments on the videos featuring his son brighten my mood every time.

>>14202206
I recognize your overly irate and autistic style from previous threads. Reminds me of manboobed geeks in preppy cardigans who think really highly of themselves because they have a bottle of Ardbeg on the shelf next to their copy of the latest Malcolm Gladwell.
I’d tell you to have sex but let’s not kid ourselves here.

>>14202556
Bunnahabhain, aside from their Moine line, is unpeated hence why I recommend it over Balvenie. Every release they do is 46.3% ABV or higher and the 12 year has some good sherry elements and a wonderful oily mouthfeel although the 18 is even better.

>>14202563
Clearly my style is >>14202192 but I've had to explain myself to the autists. Again.

>>14202565
Alright, I'm sold. I like black bottles a lot so I'm kind of biased towards it anyways.
Just out of curiousity since it sounds like you know your shit, what are your favorite 5 whiskeys (let's say around Bunnahabhain 12's price range)?

>>14198987
Right now enjoying Double Matured Lagavulin and occasionally getting though an 18 Arran, £80 a bottle is something to last.

>>14199009
It’s extremely subjective, everyone has different taste. You may not even like bourbon. Try a couple others and you will know m.

>>14199846
What a baby. This is nothing compared to the 60’s and that shit turned out fine. Get a grip if BLM actually rustles your jimmies.

>>14198999
Stay strong

>>14202228
GOD BLESS America

>>14202598
I mostly buy cask strength and single cask whiskies from indie bottlers these days which vary widely in price, but in terms of stuff around Bunna 12s price point I'd say
>Kilkerran 8 Year Cask Strength
>Lagavulin 8 Year
>Arran Sherry Cask Strength
>Smokehead High Voltage
>Cadenhead's Living Cask Campbeltown (if you're in Europe or the U.K.)
Are good deals. Some bottlers like Cadenhead's, Signatory, North Star and Adelphi also bottle a lot of interesting stuff that are either very reasonably priced or very expensive. I use whiskybase to get a better idea about profile and value for money although reviews there are heavily German and Dutch led who love sherry and sulphuric savory flavors so compared to North American or even UK tastes they should be taken with a grain of salt.

>>14202607
Nice Feis bottles! Have you ever been to Islay during the festival? I'm thinking about going next year once the pandemic has died down.

>>14202639
I grew up on Islay, reason I get so many is because I have family buying me bottles.

I wish all you regards would stop talking about rare breed. The price is going to start going up. Stop telling people about rare breed and really anything wild turkey, which includes Russel's Reserve.

The nuances of what seperates cask strength indie bottlings from standard mid shelf choices are lost on someone who's so far only had the college student's holy trinity (Jack, Jamerson, Maker's).

>>14199009
Nikka From the Barrel is Jappu whisky, closer to imitation scotch than anything else.

>>14201047
Where do you live, roughly? There are good craft whiskies all over the country.

Is as bloody mary worth making? I want to drink something savory and get a nice buzz.

>>14202679
>Asking this in the whiskey thread
What do you mean is it worth making btw? If you want to drink one just fucking make it. We can't decide if it's worth it for you or not.

>>14202654
I don't think what separates cask strength from normal bottlings is ever lost on anyone.

>>14202696
Whiskey sucks

>>14202704
Your mother sucks my penis

>>14202646
Nice! Where on Islay were you from? I was able to make it to Islay last year and really enjoyed the brief time I had there although I wish had an extra day to do a hike up to Ruuval.

>>14202563
sets are the way to go if you want to find out what you like. i’ve made the mistake of making blind buys based on e-recommendations or taste descriptions and ended up wasting time and money because most didn’t match my expectations.

>>14198987
Bought this last night. Would highly not recommend. Not much on the nose except slight hints of oak which essentially means that you just get ethanol. Mouth feel is standard rye. Peppery and ethanol. Pretty much nothing on the finish. A little leathery and peppery but doesn't last long. Pretty dry finish overall.

Bought this the other day on a whim.
Worst $50 I've ever spent. Absolutely fucking nasty.

>>14202896
Congratulations on falling for the rye meme. It went out of style originally for a reason. And these companies jumping on the wagon today are doing just barely legal rye (51%) so it's not even worth it. Stay away from all ryes.
Old Forester has the best rye out in my opinion though.

>>14201047
I would recommend 2 bottles that are around 50$. I feel like once you get above 75$ you start hitting some big diminishing returns.

Ardbeg 10 is probably the best value scotch that there is. I would then recommend some barrel proof American whisky like WT rare breed or knob creek single barrel.

>>14202910
Barrel Proof version is 100 times better for like $5 more.

>>14199281
Eurofags love our pop culture too

>>14202911
That's because the good ryes are too damn expensive now.
Pikesville is pretty good but damn do I miss Booker's Rye when it was available and not $1000 on aftermarket.

What's more reddit?

Circlejerking over whiskey or circlejerking over medium-rare steak?

Ron Swansons RISE UP

>>14202943
steaks are a more honest and simple thing, the whisky bubble is about to burst in the next couple of years.

>>14202943
This post is the most reddit thing in this thread, fagnuts

>>14202953
Interest is already declining. New drinker rather go for gin or rum and boomers, who bought lots of fancy whiskies started to notice they have more than they could ever drink and it is just a waste of money and space you can't impress nobody with.

>>14198987
Chili con carne. Add a dash of whisky - Yes or no?

>>14203021
Whiskey. Add a dash of chili con carne - Yes or no?

>>14203026
Yes.
Essentially, it's a Cesar variant.

imagine listening to some nigga on youtube going on about what a whisky tastes like for forever when you could read up the same info in 90 seconds.

>>14199009
I feel like if you liked Woodford Reserve, you would like Buffalo Trace. I’m vain git now and the6 taste similar.

>>14202968
this is great news as a whisky fan

is there whisky that has been aged in steel tanks for more than 10 years?

Tully is my go to. What else should I try? I don't drink often or a lot so price really isn't a concern.

>>14203363
Bushmills, Redbreats and Jameson

>>14203236
Probably, but why tho? It won't make the whisky any better.

>>14202653
This. Please for the love of god.

>>14203392
i'd be interested in what whisky tastes like that went through an ageing process but did not take up any flavors from wood.

>>14201766
kek when you google this image it comes up as gentlemen

>>14202943
>NOOOOOOO STOP ENJOYING THINGS THAT'S SO CRINGE YOU'RE REDDIT
Go back to one of your themes /b/ boards.

>>14203236
Couldn't be called whisky then, so i guess no. It's mostly used to round the edges of young clear spirits like rum, vodka, gin or korn. Often just just a few months to a year, which already seems to be enough. 10 years would just give you a totally stale spirit not worth the effort.

>>14203105
>imagine watching a movie when you could just read a plot synopsis

>>14203418
unfortunately, this confirms what i initially suspected. the lion's share of a whisky's taste is purely due to cask influence.

>>14203432
You don't say??

>>14203377
cheers

>>14203432
wow.... do you work at nasa?

>>14203437
>>14203455
kind of a letdown considering the prices and mythical status of whisky

>>14203466
I have no idea what you're talking about bub. Where is the negative, you allergic to wood?

>>14201766
Based Horst

>>14203466
Good, then go ask stupid questions about something else in some another alcohol thread.
>is vodka distilled more time gooder?? I have a hunch...

>>14203474
it's all second hand, why not go straight to the source and drink sherry, port and bourbon?

>>14203475
me chinese me play joke me mix whiskey with your coke

>>14203466
Not a secret that whisky as a grain spirit has like no character without cask aging compared to brandies like cognac, armagnac, calavados etc. or heavy rums like jamaican ones.

>>14203466
It costs that much because whiskey is a serious investment in capital and time. It can take a decade for a distillery to start being a return on investment.

>>14203482
What? Most American whiskeys use new charred oak barrels.

And a lot of Scotch is aged in bourbon barrels these days. Pre-used barrels actually add less flavor to it, so the malt and the burned bog flavors come through more.

>>14203508
No, white whiskeys have distinct flavor profiles depending on what grain is used.

>>14203508
yeah, stuff like mezcal is unironically better in bianco form since all the vanilla and tannic notes from wood only mask the agave flavor.
i have tasted a locally made spirit from quince and it was really aromatic and complex yet it has only been aged in glass for a year. new make whisky is really bland.

>>14203533
that's what irks me, you're basically paying for warehouse rent.

>>14203568
>that's what irks me, you're basically paying for warehouse rent.
Usually worth it.

>>14203559
There's a reason white dog isn't a real thing, but eau de vie, obstler and similar things are.

>>14203621
What? Tons of distilleries sell white dog.

>>14203632
white dog is a novelty that is being sold in miniscule amounts.
also:
>tons
loaded language

>>14203632
Of course, because people want to try the raw distillate before aging, but it's nothing to enjoy and the prices are hillarious.

i got to like beer and coffee. right now coffee

>>14203668
Okay.

>>14198987
I got this bottle of crown and had a disagreement with my flatmate. Is crown supposed to be kept in the freezer or at room temp?

>>14203677
if thats what you guys are arguing about theres really no hope for you

>>14203697
I mean it's month 3 of China Virus lockdown. There is not much else going on

>>14203706
lemme tell you what anon, do what your heart is telling you and it's going to be the right choice.

>>14202911
Elijah Craig Rye was nice although its only in 4 states I think

I had someone reccomend this to me, but I'm hesitant to buy it. Not much of a whiskey drinker but the fact it was right next to Jim Beam kinda made me suspicious it might suck.
What are your guys's thoughts?

>>14203724
Im just going to return it and get a bottle of Smirnoff. Your cryptic replies have turned me off of whiskey

>>14203779
>Smirnoff
good choice

>>14203735
>blended
It's probably shit.

>>14203735
100% its shit barrels of young MGP. Refund it if possible.

Whiskey is just a contaminated vodka. What's the point?

>>14204101
Something with flavour for people doing keto. Straight vodka gets boring

$35.99 a handle at my local liquor store.

>>14204101
Just go back to your corner and sniff your onions.

>>14204326
>$35.99
fuck off, i'd rather get kentucky tavern over this

I never post or talk about my unicorn workhorse because I don't want faggots to start buying it everywhere and raising the price or worse, not being able to find it at all.

>>14204829
>workhorse
consider yourself an alcoholic

>>14204326
I can drink my piss for free.

>>14204854
Workhorse, daily sipper, go to. What's the difference?

>>14204910
100g of pure alcohol per week anon, no more

>>14204929
I'll keep beating my workhorse, thanks. And you'll never know what it is.

>>14204829

You fucking pussies that don't make your own.

>>14204957

Reminder:

1. Any distillery with the prefix “Glen-“ in the name is trash.
2. Speysides are boring and pointless and I can tell you’re a boring person if you drink that shit.
3. If you don’t like Islay or smoke or peat, you don’t like scotch. Just admit defeat and go back to bourbon where you belong.

>>14204980

150 Liters.

>>14204991
Finally someone based

>>14198987
I got a bottle of Crown Royal as a gift. It's alright.

>>14204991
heh.

Peated whiskies are the craft IPA's of whiskies, memey visual presentation included. Very obvious choice for somone posting on a reddit offshoot board.

>>14205026
Based
Never had that. How does it compare to the 16?

>>14205039
There's nothing memey about it at all. You're just a raging pussy with a low testosterone count who can't handle the elixir of the gods.
I mean seriously...what the actual fuck is the point of scotches like Dalmore and Glenlivet? So bland and lifeless, you might as well just drink bourbon.

>>14205052

Basically it's x2. It raises the hairs on the back of your neck. I gave it to people who don't drink and they were shocked.

>>14202968
No it's not. Sales are up as ever.
The only hit was when China passed those anti bribery laws.

>>14205052
It's smoother, I don't know, it just seems more complete. The peat, salt, leather is still there but it's.. combined.

>>14205060
Giving Lagavulin to first time drinkers sounds like a waste to me. Since they have nothing to compare it to, they have no conception of how much better it is than other stuff.
In order to appreciate good scotch, you need to try all the Jack Daniels and Fireballs of the world first.

>>14205055
Nice digits but a preference for gimmicks like peat blasts is a sign of a child like palate and usually goes hand in hand with hot sauce collections and Nintendo switch.

>>14205068
Yeah, but when you have your mom and aunt there giving you a 200 dollar bottle of single malt, you share. They both loved it. And they were teetotalers.

Do you guys have any unusual whiskey and food pairings you like to do? Give me some wild ideas to try.

>>14205077
Pairings are horseshit, just like the entire sommelier profession.

>>14205086
Dude no shit. I'm just looking for something cool to eat while getting a buzz on.

>>14203605
The rent is somewhere in the ballpark of 3c per year per bottle.
Once you have a distillery with a decent spirit and 10ish year old stocks you're basically printing money.

>>14205143
jack daniels & pizza

>>14201038
>Halalcohol

>>14204326
That's a good deal in Australia.
Still, get something better.

>>14201766
Hes knowledgeable as fuck but his dry mouth noises are fucking disgusting.

>>14205159
>Australians
Oh no, it's that time of the day again

>>14204991
There's tonnes of great whisky under the prefix "Glen."
Speysides are light and fruity. You're confusing power with complexity; Speysides have plenty of complexity. Far more than you'll get in Islays since they don't age as well. And for that matter there's plenty of finished Glen's with power; Glenfarclas 105 comes to mind.
Most scotch isn't peated. Therefore "If you like peat you don't like scotch" is closer to the truth.

>>14205224
Glenipples is the best. I've been to that Glen.

>>14205220
>35%
into the trash it goes

>>14205086
Those are two somewhat conflicting statements. Part of why the sommelier profession is horseshit is because what you've eaten/drank before influences what you're tasting. You can't even slip the same beverage into a the same competition twice and get the same result.

Has any anon tried this mess? Pic related

I made a huge mistake and god this "American Heroes" handle of Evan Williams and it's garbage. 4/10 Seagrams' in the plastic bottle is better, and it's half the cost

>>14205716
with jews you lose, anon.

>>14205721
(((who))) do you mean in this case anon?

>>14205736
Heaven Hill distillery is owned by the Shapira brothers.

>>14205736
/pol/tards think anything bad/they don't like is the fault of DA JOOS.

>>14205744
i'm just noticing things

>>14205744
I should have known though when it was badged with this hollow patriotism shit that it was because the whiskey itself was inferior. Got me this time

>>14205716
never buy bourbon that's less than 90 proof

>>14205762
normally I buy regular staple brands and lines but here in the god-fearing hellhole of PA the state-owned liquor stores are still recovering from lockdown so my choices were limited

anons, should i drink tonight? idk what the organ is, but it's located near my stomach (to the right and kind of above) and it has been twitching lately but idk if it's from drinking a bottle a day

>>14205794
if you're doing a bottle a day maybe you should try to only do 0.80 of a bottle tonight anon

good luck

>>14205060
>It raises the hairs on the back of your neck
>>14205074
>They both loved it. And they were teetotalers.

Why do you always post the exact same word-for-word stupid fucking anecdote about lagavulin distiller's edition?
I swear I've seen these exact posts in this exact succession at least 5 times.

>>14205445
Update: First time trying this mess, I'm amateur AF but that is smoooth. very nice flavor, very fragrant. better than all other mess I've tried thus far. (makers, jameson(old fav but too sharp), WT, evan, etc all swill compared to this) spent $40 on it. eee rr

>>14205762
They keep selling it at 74 proof, so apparently somebody likes it.