/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>14136074
Pick any bottle from Caduceus Cellars, you can't go wrong.

Tried barefoot Moscato last night. Tasted like a flat soda. Dumped it down the sink.

>>14136078
>jerks off in irregular time signature

>>14136074
latest bottle I opened was a cheap Bardolino Chiaretto from Aldi, it tasted watered down but I liked its character, so I'm definitely going to buy a more reputable bottle of the same as soon as I find it

as a result of that I also discovered how rosé wine is made, turns out the darker color of red wine comes from the grapes' skin rather than the juice, so if you remove the skins after the fermentation process has begun but before it's ended you get a pink-ish juice, which may be more like a red or like a white depending on when you remove the skin from the must
you probably already knew that but I thought it was interesting so if you didn't know, now you do

apart from the rosé, I haven't been drinking much wine at all during this quarantine, so hopefully I'll go and buy two bottles of the nice Chianti I usually buy, or maybe one of those and one of a Chianti Classico that's recently become available at a local supermarket/store

>tfw you like heavy red wine and all your acquaintances are switching to rosé as summer is coming

>>14136680
I live 10 km away from Bardolino,and I can assure you that a good Chiaretto will mindblow you;guess you gotta come to Lake Garda,there's also Amarone and Valpollicella among others

>>14136691
Ehh neither I like red wine that much,I'm more of a white wine guy;then again if I've got a good Pinot or Lambrusco you'll be sure that I'll enjoy it

sipping on some grappa, low abv fags need not apply

>>14136726
Dio can vecio damine un po' anca mi

>>14136702
I'd love to, but I'm on the other side of the lake so it's still illegal for the time being
I'm more or less familiar with the wines in that region, I really like recioto as well, I remember the first time I drank it was a late evening with a friend and some recently picked figs, really really nice stuff, only I don't know very much about rosé wines from anywhere, so I guess I'll be happy to receive some guidance from you guys if you have any
>>14136726
even behind kilometers of wire, keyboards, screens, and with text only, you just know it when you find a venetian
so, how much is 15 and 18?

>>14136757
Bruh sei da Brescia ahahah?

>>14136762
more like 40km north of Milan, but it's still the other side of the lake

>>14136771
Ahn ok,comunque è abbastanza strano pensare che magari fossi tipo uno sfigato che abitava nel Vermont e invece sei uno sfigato a 100km da me

>>14136757
>so, how much is 15 and 18?
not a lot

My go-to red. I don't know much about wine but I keep coming back to this one no matter what else I try.

Just drank a chenin blanc from Swartland, South-Africa: Badenhorst Piet Bok se Bos 2018. Fucking nice. Surprisingly dry, wonderful acidity. One of the best whites I've had.

>>14136680
Fasoli Gino makes terrific bardolino.

Yum

>>14137969
Pretty light color for a CdP. Does it taste lighter too? Or just another overextracted oak bomb?

>

why are italians such unpleasant posters

Just had the most east coast wine. Sweet bouquet, a heavy almost syruppy body and a very clean, light finish. You can really test the berry earthiness

>>14139425
compared to whomst? aussies? finns? flyovers?

Anyone up for a glass of calis finest?

>>14139431
all of them

I’m writing a paper on the Lambrusco grape used for the Italian wine of the same name, but I’m not finding any sources apart from a brief snippet on Wikipedia. Any connoisseurs here?

>>14138260
You know CdPs aren't supposed to be huge wines, right? Only got that way due to the American palate.

>>14136680
Based, Provence has had its day and needs to fuck off for the time being.

>>14136082
Well made Moscato has that same gentle sparkle, but it probably tastes 10x better.

>>14136074
Are you the guy who's still assblasted that New World wine is good too?

>>14136801
We stock that at the store I work at. Worth picking up?

>>14137002
Tried other Bordeaux?

>>14137800
Have had some damn good SA Chenin before, pretty keen to try more.

>>14137969
Wew, very jealous. Have been thinking of picking up some of their Chateau de Tours wines.

>>14140666
Too bad for CdP. Still won't drink them.

>>14141430
Can't wait for the prices to drop when the Wine Advocate boomers die off and millennials still assume they're bloated wines.

>>14141480
Not really how it works at that level. CdP is officially high status wine now, there will always be people who will pay a fortune for undrinkable oak bombs just because of the name and there just isn't enough supply to cause a glut that would force producers to rethink their style. The phenomenon you're hoping for happens with high volume AOCs like Chianti

>>14141524
I disagree, we're in the age of the sommelier now. They have much more influence over what's consumed in the higher end wine market than critics now, and they tend to favour lighter, more food friendly wine.

While the traditional CdP producers will continue to increase in price and there will still be a core audience for overextracted wines, younger producers will increasingly start making lighter wines as the demand shifts in that direction. At least that's what I think anyway.

>>14141535
>At least that's what I think anyway.
Opinion discarded then, never talk to me again.

>>14141546
Too late, nigger lover. Keep drinking your mega purple enhanced garbage.

>>14141430
>>14141480
>>14141524
>>14141535

Honestly, the biggest problem for southern-rhone wines is global warming. It just gets too bloody hot all the time and they won't be able to keep their alcohol percentages under 15%.

>>14142088
Vacqueyras still seems to manage to produce good tasting wine. If CdP has a problem with temperatures they can just cover up those meme rocks.

>>14142121
O sure, I'm not saying they're not producing good wines in southern rhone. And indeed, vacqueyras is great value for money still (gigondas not so much imo). The better Chateauneufs still rank with the best in the world. I drank a Domaine Solitude 2015 which was marvelous.
But still, alcohol percentages get higher & higher the hotter it gets, at the expense of drinkability, and a hot place like southern rhone will obviously suffer from it.

Probably the next big thing will be red loire, if the french will actually export it, and not keep most of it for themselves.

>>14136074
Had some Gruner Veltliner a while back and shared some inexpensive Grand Cru Alsatian Riesling with family last weekend. Been debating going back to drinking red wine again, or just wine in general, but I've been more into sour beer and bourbon given the change of seasons. Although if I had more money I'd probably get a white from Grigich Hills since they've overpriced where I live.

>>14142398
>since they've overpriced where I live
You live on planet earth too?

>>14142425
I mean moreso then the majority of markets since I'm in Canada and all our liquor is massively taxed outside of Alberta.

I'd like to interject for a moment and get a couple thing out of the way
AHEM
italian wine > french wine
chardonnay a shit
the only worthwhile spanish wines are sweet

>>14142603

I'm a huge wine pleb and only enjoy sweet wines. The sweeter the better. I almost exclusively drink from this winery from Alaska, Bear Creek, that makes a series of blended fruit wines as well as few pure fruit wines. Their most popular wine is a Strawberry-Rhubarb blend that I really like.

Since I'm a pleb who's nervous about branching out, I avoid trying new things. Does anyone have any recommendations for other wines to try?

>>14140917
it's heavy on the oak if you like that, i've had better grappies

>>14142603
Based

>>14142648
If you like sweet wines then try Sauternes and Tawny Port. Then delve into Tokaji, Sherry and Rivesaltes, maybe Constantia if you can find some for cheap.

>>14142648
Try any Amarone, you will fall in love with it
Tends to be pricey though, but worth every penny, a cheap bottle of Amarone is usually better then a pricey bottle of anything els

>>14136074
riesling from dillman and primitivo - I Muri puglia 2018

Both highly recommended cheaper wines

>>14142648
Vinsanto

>>14142728
>Sauternes

This. Nectar of the Gods.

>>14142728
Sherry is not for noobs

>>14144823
Sweet sherry is fairly easy to drink if you have a sweet tooth.

>>14145450
Any sherry that's "easy drinking" is terrible sherry
Good sherry is an intellectual challenge
Fight me

>>14146368
>>14146370
>>14146382
Based unfashionable Bordeaux drinker. What were they like?

anyone got a good recommendation for some vino verse? been wanting to try some

>>14146879
It's all pretty much the same. Just beware of old stock, it's like bojo nouveau. 12 months shelf life.

>>14142579
Grgich will always be overpriced everywhere because muh judgment of paris

It's not actually the same wine that was hyped back in the days when people who actually liked wine drank it, caliphile boombooms with fly*ver palate decided that it was no good without new oak so you're paying top tier prices for a dumbed down abomination named after a washed up has-been

Can any of you reccomend books on wine? I'd love to read up on it.

>>14136082
Trying Moscato was your mistake.

This is my go to right now. I drink Chateau St. Michelle cabs and merlots when I can't find it. I live right on the Oregon/Washington border so it has been years since I have had anything that isn't from within about 300 miles from me.

>>14147552
why? so you can recite trivia to impress the waiter? they don't care. just drink a lot of different wines from different countries and at different price levels and google the ones you liked and disliked.

>>14148640
Actually I just wanted something to read during quarantine that I might find interesting BUT FINE, FUCK YOU TOO ASSHOLE! I HOPE YOU GET AIDS AND DIE!

>>14149065
Thanks I will!

>>14147552
What kinda wine are you interested in?

>>14149876
fig wine

>>14149885
Fag wine you mean?

>>14140671
Do you mean to imply provence is some kind of prestigious producer of rose wine?

>>14150078
No, it's just the go to for women who want 'dry rose'. Hopefully something will replace it.

Could the wine autismos here explain whats wrong? I can't drink any kind of wine without getting violently sick. It's not the taste, I enjoy it and that's why this bothers me. Half a glass into it I get very nauseous. Any more and I'll probably have to go puke. No other type of alcohol does this to me.

>>14150167
Do you also get sick when you eat dried fruit? Also what kinda money are you spending on wine?

>>14147552
Kermit lynch - adventures on the wine route
Jancis robinson - world atlas of wine

>>14150167
Both whites and reds?

I basically just drink biodynamic(demeter) wines nowadays. Or at least organic from small producers. If they're autistic about having soil that's alive, generally they care enough for their wine to be well made. Natural wines are still generally too autistic to be good.

Last ones i drank was Frank cornelissen, susucaru 2018. That one is crazy. It’s a juicy Nerello mascalese and Malvasia blend with lots of red berries, mostly strawberries, smoke, minerals, grapefruit and pepper.
The other one i drank was Philip Lardot, Der hirt 2017. A Riesling from Mosel, very classical, a lot of malolactic flavour. This was a bit further in so my memory fails me on other taste. Still a good one.

Also red pet nat.

>>14152077
ok boomer
>>14152097
cringe consoomer

>>14150167
When fermenting sugars to alcohol you get a variety of unpleasant byproducts such a methanol, in distilled drinks most of these these removed in the process pf destillation and in weaker drinks like beer there will be less of these by volume. My guess is that you might be more sensitive to these substances than most people.

>>14152133
Mean

>>14152077
You're drinking wine that's already 90% 'natural' anyway, but I can definitely understand avoiding no sulfite wines. They can be pretty hit and miss.

>>14152097
Frank Cornelissen's rose sucks, but I haven't tried any of his other wines.

what's the laphroaig of wines bros?

>>14152262
They are kinda girly, so It’s a fuck wine. Atleast the one i talked about. What’s cool about them is that you can taste the volcanic soil. Haven’t tried one of his rosés.

>>14152284
I'm not shitting on Nerello Mascalese, it's a great grape. Also I love light bodied twink wines.

I just don't like the rose because it's a one-dimensional brett bomb.

>>14152293
>>14152262
You have been banned from /r/Wine/

>>14152306
I browsed that place once and it's just 35 year old yuppies posting Burgundy.

I love Burgundy but boy is it fucking lame. You can see their rolled up shirt sleeves and mid-priced watch bands in some of the pictures to confirm the stereotype.

I thought Frank's wines were more on the natural subreddits.

>>14152258
I don't care about nature or the wine being "natural" I just want it to taste good. Most small producers doing organic or biodynamic wine are passionate/idealistic people and this tends to reflect on the quality of their wine.

>>14152338
Depends on the week. People tend to post a ton of images in different threads and then disappear so one week it's champagne and the next week it's boomerposters spamming sassiaca and opus one and the week after that it's burgundy.

There is definitely a contingent of beardy tattooed "individualists" posting brett bombs and obscure grapes cultivated only by zoroastrian traps living on the shores of mount pinatubo. Just maybe not this week.

>>14152275
answer me pls

>>14152275
>>14153831
I don't know what you mean by that. Obviously not a lot of smoke bombs out there. Sometimes you can get an estate wine from a vineyard that was near a wildfire and if you do an A/B test against a year with no wildfire you can catch a hint of smoke but if it's too obvious it will be treated as a defect, the grapes will be destroyed or sold off to someone less interested in terroir, who will blast it through processes to remove the smoke and it turns into something like Tang or High C or Capri Sun, only vaguely tasting like an actual grape at all.

If you want something with mass appeal, that affirms your masculinity and ruggedness? Try "The Prisoner" or if you've got less dough to throw around, Apothic Red which is basically The Prisoner for poor people.

>>14153939
i mean something that's obviously foul tasting but pretty delicious at the same time. not necessarily smoke or oak, might also be something very minerally, earthy, herbal or estery.

>>14136078
Shilling for the Tool bands overpriced arizona wine eh?

I have been enjoying wines from Corsica and Sardinia lately. The Aragosta Vermentino was very nice and the Clos De Sulana Red was very good too.

>>14154008
This isn't true re: sulfites in US organic wines lol. Ridiculous.

>>14136801
>grappa
fuck off ginzo

>>14154080
Wine folly needs to just stop it with the bad infographics

>>14154675
based retard i guess

>>14154080
added sulfites retard

>>14153831
rauchwein, you might be able to find some out of california from the wildfires

>>14154080
I think it is right, you can add as many sulfites as you want but you can only say 'made with organic grapes. To get USDA organic specifically there has to be no added sulfites iirc.

>>14146319
it's just a drink retard lmao

name "challenging" sherries
i'm a femanon btw

>>14155307
lustau manzanilla or palo cortado

>>14136691
Ch Simone Rose is pretty meaty for the varietal

I want to like white wine but hate bright, clean and crisp, citrus, zest, or anything that hints at being sour
the only thing i like is moscato because it's basically soda
wish i wasn't a tastelet

>>14155667
soave or alsacian pinot gris
demi-sec vouvray
vin santo
most late harvest white wines

>>14155667
Get some good halbtrocken German rieslings, and work your way to full trocken. Great stuff.

>>14155320
>manzanilla
>challenging

>>14136074
oh shit its that cunt who bitched about about american avas and then posted a wine maker whos whole shit was about muh finger lakes ava
fucking bus boy all mad about the prisoner again

i had some grgich at a tasting before the corona lockdown - light and delicious as always tho the specific chardonnay i had tended a bit more toward the sauvignon blanc flavor wise

>>14156833
rent free

>>14156845
cope and dilate and seethe

>>14156851
have sex, also yikes and cringe

>>14156860
i remember when i worked in Paris
all i did off the job was walk the city and visit wine bars (and the occasionally strip club)
it was beautiful
but the wines arent better.

>>14156879
yeah the ile de france is not a very hospitable place for grapes. you enjoying your mega purple cocktails this morning? bit early for me, I stick to coffee when I wake up

>>14156886
>not just pissing in the street
thats a pretty lame post
cya tomorrow

>>14156912
make sure to never stop thinking about me and my finger lakes, which is a city in france :-)

>>14136074

>>14155320
1. i'm sorry i lied, i'm not a femanon
2. thanks, i've had lustau brandy once, it was actually very straight forward and harmonious

>>14156923
pretty lame, bus boy

>>14157263
remember when you ragequit earlier and said you'd be back tomorrow?

>>14155997
most of those are too acidic for tastelet anon

>>14136074
Went to Italy last year, and since I was a complete newbie at drinking wine we decided to go to a local vineyard to try some of their wines. I tried three different types of red wine, all of them contained Sangiovese. Pic related tasted best to me, as opposed to the others it was a pure Sangiovese instead of a blend with Merlot (?).
Bottles of Era are a bit pricey at home though. What kinds of red wine should I be looking for to get a similar taste?

>>14157859
too subtle for 4chan

>>14157869
Not even meming, trolling, that was the vineyard that was about 500m away from where we stayed. The brand is a total meme, sure, but I liked the wine and I'd love to find something similar here that doesn't cost 15 EUR for a bottle when I can have a sixpack of good beer for that price.

>>14157869
why are you barking at everyone here faggot?

>>14157897
is sangiovese a rare wine where you live?
>>14157925
see >>14157268

Decent haul last week

>>14157931
As far as I know there is very little wine production in the Netherlands, and I am positive there's no Sangiovese. Then again, I am still a wine noob, I just know that I like one particular wine and that similar wines are about 15 EUR at the local store. Fancy beers are about the same price for six of them and my taste in those is varied so I can be kinda adventurous in my selection there. I just have no idea what kinds of wines I like, how to find them, except that I apparently like red and that one specifically.

I've got the Memoro Rosso from Piccini. Very good stuff. It's a mix of different grapes including merlot, sangiovese, primitivo and nero d'avola from different regions in Italy.

>>14156702
most people aren't expecting a briny, yeasty, boozy white

>>14157938
not bad

How fucking rich are you people that you can go out and buy multiple bottles of wine at once? Lets say a bottle is between $12-$22... And you have maximium 2 days to drink it. It is by far the mosy expensive alchohol. Whenever I buy a bottle of wine I feel like I am spending so much money . The taste is good, i love wine, but compared to beer or liquor I can't often buy the stuff I like, so I rarely drink it. And yes, I'm poor, so you don't need to point it out. I cant wait until the day I have enough disposable income to just go and buy 5 bottles of wine at a time/in a week/in a month.

>>14159504
Really fancy decoy for the price point

>>14159537
Nigga go to Trader Joe’s it’s like $4

>>14159541
after you drink them you can tell us all about how bad california wines are

>>14159549
The people in this thread aren't drinking $4 chuck, they are drinking actual, nice bottles.

>>14159537
An acceptable bottle of Italian or French wine is maybe 7 euro over here. I'm on welfare, and I get maybe 2 bottles a month.

I have a question that doesn't deserve it's own thread and thought I would ask here. I'm a fag that doesn't drink and only uses wine for cooking. Does the quality of wine have any tangible impact in the flavor profile or quality of whatever you are cooking with it? Is it worthwhile to spend extra money on a wine to be just used for cooking or should I just keep using shitty wines from the grocery store? Beef stews and pan sauces come to mind.

>>14159841
If the wines you're using produce a good tasting dish that lived up to your expectations then there's no reason to upgrade. Within reason it doesn't matter but some extremely cheap wines with a lot of adjuncts will make the final dish taste bad.

If you're doing a dish where you're dumping a whole bottle into the pot, like with some stews, you'll actually notice different grapes, but if it's just a splash in a pan, then as long as it's more or less the right color you're good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wBTdfAkqGU

sup wine lovers
bounce with me

>>14136074
Why do I care? No, this is not a question about wine, this is a question about humanity in general. Why, as a human, do I care about anything at all?

>>14159537
Get a job?

>>14159003
>Piccini

I'm sorry to say but their chianti fucking sucks.

>>14157859
Look for Sangiovese from the following regions: Chianti, Toscana (Tuscany), Marche and Vino Nobile di Montepulciano (not to be confused with other Montepulciano wines which are made from a different grape).

Those are some of the more affordable Sangiovese appellations (regions).

Also try out Tempranillo, which is a somewhat similar grape from Spain.

>>14157938
Really wish I could try some good wine from the States. When I was over there I squandered my opportunity because I mostly went to fashionable wine bars and it's clear that American wine isn't fashionable.

I know that a lot of Californian wine is quite expensive but I'm sure there's some great value wine lurking away from the Pacific coast.

>>14157938
Also find it really lame that California wineries use French naming conventions such as 'clos' or 'château'. I guess it's fine if they have a French background but it overall seems tacky.

>>14162303
>it's clear that American wine isn't fashionable.
Must have been a while back because there's nothing a dirty hipster loves more than ordering a california chardonnay or pinot noir in order to start a conversation about how "it's not what you think!" and "this ain't your dad's california wine".

Some of the hippest wine bars in brooklyn specialize in california wine now.

>>14159537
It's very easy to afford three $25 wines a week on a median wage. Perhaps you don't know what that is because you're surrounded by poverty.

>>14162325
Median income is about $32k gross in the US. You're telling me that $75 a week on alcohol is a reasonable thing to do when you're making $32k a year?

>>14162322
I went to wine bars in Chicago and LA and they had mostly European wine lists. I did go to this one bar that was in a hotel complex that was not at all fashionable which had a better balance.

I went to some wine stores too and picked up a light Californian red in LA, not exactly the kind of wine I'm interested in drinking anymore, but they had a good selection of local wines.

>>14162328
If it's your hobby, sure.

>>14162342
California wine still reigns in california even LA, so a fashionable hotel is going to go with whatever runs against the grain locally. On the east coast it's the reverse, the hipsters think california is amazeballs and the boombooms only drink euro wine except drunk bridesmaids who only drink long island wines. Everyone (except hipsters) thinks california wine is gross.

Shitcago is a crapshoot, any wine is an alien concept there because it's the midwest.

>>14162352
Yeah I didn't drink wine when I was in Boston (beer scene is much better), so I can't comment on that.

The places I went to in Chicago were really good though, this one bar had a fantastic list of really great minimal intervention wines.

>>14159841
I would tell you not to cook with anything that you wouldn't drink, but since you don't drink I'll just second >>14159946's response.