/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>14058085
>Feel pain? Have feelings? Thoughts? A will to live?
Even if they do have those qualities (which I doubt), they are completely irrelevant. Killing and consuming their flesh gives me pleasure and does not directly harm another person. That's all that matters.

>>14058106
The only people that talk about animals having thoughts and feelings are people that have never spent any significant amount of time around stock animals.

>>14058085
piss off you pathetic hippy

>>14058085
I just don’t think about it.

>>14058106
But you don't have to eat meat. There are many plant-based foods that will give you the same pleasure

>>14058109
Are you saying that animals raised for livestock don't have any of the attributes I've mentioned? What would years of confinement in a small filthy space do to you?

>>14058128
You should

>>14058141
Right, they don't have any of those attributes.

What does me being confined in a small filthy space have to do with anything except losing the inhibition to brain someone trying to compare humans to stock animals?

>>14058085
Because I am an animal, too. I am part of the food web, a part of the planet, just like every other living creature. I feel no shame in taking only what I need.

>>14058085
Cowie eats glass.
Cowie makes good food from grass.
If I eat grass, I don't process it like the cow does.
Therefore I eat cowie.

Ain't rocket science, faggot.

>>14058085
they tasty. they available. I eat.

>>14058147
You would mentally break in that situation, maybe that's why you think they're emotionless? Because they're broken from the suffering that's forcibly put on them since birth?

>>14058150
We don't have to eat animals. Unlike natural predators, we are intelligent enough to know that killing causes pain and we have the option to opt out from the predator niche

>>14058162
>we are intelligent enough to know that killing causes pain and we have the option to opt out from the predator niche
speak for yourself. ugg powerful. ugg predator. ugg eat meat. meat feel pain ugg no feel meat's pain.

Vegans, how can you keep eating vegetables when you know rabbits, mice and foxes have feelings, families, feel pain and want to live?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovGHKr-NoqQ

>>14058141
Why do you pretend to care about animals, when the food you eat kills animals, and destroys their home too?

>Plows over a rainforest to grow avocados
>Every wild animal killed or displaced

>Still pretends to care about animals?????

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovGHKr-NoqQ

>>14058162
Sounds like you consider yourself superior to those animals, m8.
If they were as intelligent as you, do you think they would think twice about eating you?

>>14058085
They taste good

>>14058085
Cuz im not a massive faggot like you

>>14058162
You have never actually been around stock animals.

>>14058085
I struggle with it a lot. My mother grew up on a farm and had a pig "pet" called Sophie when she was a little girl - one day she found that little pig hung upside down and white. The story has stayed with me through adulthood.

I eat meat roughly three times a week; I hope in time society finds a way to reconcile the fundamentalists on both sides who either think we should never eat meat or always eat it. Unironically reducing meat consumption a little would solve all sorts of problems.

In any case, only edgy teens argue against less intensive farming and higher welfare standards.

>>14058085
Because I need heme iron
Also because meat is really tasty

>>14058359
not fucking throwing away half the food we grow/raise would solve the problems.

>>14058085
all life is suffering. i do them a favor, they repay me with meat

>>14058085
God made animals for us to use and consume. You couldn't even be an Israelite unless you slaughtered a lamb and ate it's flesh Al Pastor style on a tortilla for the Passover.

Cool it with the anti-Semitism.

>>14058359
Only retarded privileged westerners, mostly women, even consider this an issue to argue about. Everyone else rightly doesn't give it any thought whatsoever.

>>14058150
>Because I am an animal, too.
We are not animals, we are human beings and much more valuable than animals. Someday you'll grow up and have a child and realize this.

>>14058383
Can't argue with that, shit's fucked.

>>14058411
Thankfully i'm not a 3rd worlder, or an insecure whelp projecting my masculinity. Glad you felt the need to make your thoughts known, quite illuminating.

>>14058438
Your mom must think her little man is very clever.

>>14058438
>Thankfully i'm not a 3rd worlder
OMG think of the poor helpless walking hamburgers feelings desu!
>Thankfully I'm not some subhuman 3rd world shitholer
Why are leftist faggots such hypocrites? Dogmoms and furrbabby genetic failures will get the rope first. You are literally the worst kind of people.

>>14058438
>mom
Ah, it all makes sense. Found a book that will appeal to your sensibilities.

>>14058085
Why would I fucking care you Bernie loving beta faggot? It's called being at the top of the food chain. Get gang raped by a nigger.

>>14058141
The roman gods were thought to have liked the smell of cooking meat.
Why didn't they a-also like the smell of steamed peas?

Industrial slaughter is still nicer than what happens to most prey animals out in the wild. You ever see a group of coyote rip into a downed deer while it's still screaming? The screams don't stop quickly. Half the time the deer is disemboweled, watching itself die.

>>14058085
I threw my sister's pedigree hedgehog into a vat of boiling oil because it broke my collectable miniatures. It's loud scream still haunts me but it was inarguably delicious. Cruelty against animals is wrong but sometimes it's justified.

In 2006 I sniffed my sister's unwashed underwear.

>>14058085
Don't cry, Africans could have drank those tears. The world will always be filled with pain and suffering. When you go for a job interview and it goes well, do you worry if everyone else will get hired?

A time will come that cultured meat will be feasible and these ethical concerns become meaningful. We aren't there yet.

>>14058085
Hey OP, you know that animals end up killing other animals in painful ways, right? Simply put, we give them a painless bullet to the head and they're off to valhalla.

I feel bad for pigs, but chickens, cows, and goats/sheep are retarded and are food

>>14058106
based

>>14058085
Given the chance, that calf would eat (You)

If we did not eat them, we wouldn't breed them and they wouldn't exist.

It's better for them to live whatever short lives to maturity that they may, though they should live and die in a humane way.

>>14058497
Just let the little piggies run around in a nice little quarter acre plot, wallowing in shit all day until you gib bullit.
A happy pig makes great BBQ.

Faggot OP watched 2 vegan videos on YouTube and now he is full vegan he even creates threads on 4chan to advertise how bad eating meat is. He feels better since he thinks he fights for something that useless, even if it's just for the weekend. Go back to /lgbt/ homo vegan threads are off topic you massive tranny.

>>14058085
>be op
>don’t eat meat because animals feel pain
>spend money on leisurely items and recreational activities knowing that money could be donated and directly save multiple human lives
we eat meat because we don’t pretend to be better than we are. children in this world starved to death and you could have save them, instead you bought a smart phone. you are no less selfish than we are if you let people die to satisfy your own wants and desires, for that is a far higher standard of measurement than the consumption of animals.

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t. sociopaths

>>14058578
I don't think you know what that word means.

>>14058085
All of life is suffering and when i die it'll be my turn. If you can't find peace within that statement i feel sorry for you faggot.

>>14058085
Just as you can ignore the pain you inflict on humans, so can I ignore the pain inflicted on animals.

>>14058085
I went vegan though
I dont care about animal products and I'm not desperate for them when I had them all my life
People tend to forget that most vegans are actually hardcore meat eaters who got tired of eating pizza hut every day

>>14058578
We tried reasoning but you didnt comply. We will now ready the machine for your trial. Please to not reply or your death will be quick and painless.

>>14058578
t. histrionic

>>14058578
>eating lesser beings makes me a sociopath
Guess I’m a sociopath then

>>14058085
Most people don't give a fuck about other people, how can you expect them to care about random animals? It's unfortunate but true.
>>14058489
Factory farmed animals usually live shitty lives and often endure shitty deaths. If it were as clean as that, it wouldn't be so bad actually. Factory farming is an abomination.

When animals stop eating other animals I'll maybe consider not eating animals.

>>14058478
100% larp

>>14058085
>citiation needed

>>14058513
And if it's cows they get to live a pretty decent life, outdoors in the sun etc. Especially when you compare the lives of cows vs the lives of hogs/chickens.

>>14058085
Yes, they feel pain. Tasty tasty pain.

>>14058085
They live in the 'Brave New World' where all their needs are met in abundance and are painlessly killed at the end of their usefulness.

If we didn't project the concept of human dignity on them, there would be no issue at all with responsibly farming animals.
They don't have this concept themselves so it's actually beneficial to rear them in free range farms than letting them roam wild.

Also I enjoy eating meat. Unless you have an ethical theory you can objectively appeal to, this is reason enough for me to eat them.

>>14058085
you think grass WANTS to be eaten?

>>14058085
Pain is but a fleeting moment. The shame you have caused your parents for years is probably far worse when you think about it. Stop being a terrible child and be kind to your parents. Stop being such a faggot.

>>14058162
>killing causes pain
No it doesn't when done right. Bolt to the forehead and the animal is dead.

pain makes it taste better

>>14058478
based

>>14058085
I couldn't give a shit. No, really. Not one. If I decided to keep on as a pet, I wouldn't eat it. If I decide it's not a pet, but livestock, I'll eat it.

When it can talk to me in a complex language, I'll spare it. Until then, I'm going to turn them into the most delicious food possible and consume them for the flavor and high concentration of protein.

>>14058085
It's not enough that I succeed - others should fail.

>>14058085
I only eat what I kill. No kills, no meat. They had a fair chance compared to grocery store shoppers going for that industrial slaughter crap.

>feel pain, have feelings, thoughts, a will to live
I have all of those except the last one but nobody is defending my existence.

>>14058182
If you don't eat meat and can't eat plants then what's left? We have to grow food, this kills animals by necessity right now but is not the goal compared to the meat industry. Intent matters or are vegan created road kills also just people with double standards?

>>14060181
1. Are your hands dripping with blood yes or no?

If yes, please do not pretend to "speak for the animals, care about animals etc."

It's really that simple.

>>14060203
Define the exact limitations of "are your hands dripping with blood?" and we'll talk.

cause the lives of another are not important when their death does not impact myself
basically theres no consequences for a cow dying, but a human there is, and even then its only because we are programmed to avoid that
there is no difference between a cow and a human, but I still eat cows and id eat human if it was legal

>>14060266
>id eat human if it was legal
What if you were to be the next meal of another human? Would you want that?

>>14059576
have you bolted a cow before?
even done properly they don't just die instantly
it could just be muscle spasms with no consciousness behind it to experience pain and panic, but a lot of the time it pretty messy and the cow thrashes for a while

>>14060275
I don't want to go through the process of dying because that's how my brain works.
but afterwards I wont really care

God put them on the earth for my consumption.

>>14058085
Why do omnis suddenly become 200 IQ when vegans question them? They arent using that brain power when they eat the same dairy and same meat daily

If an animal lives longer, more comfortably, and happier than they would in the wild before being slaughtered in the quickest and least traumatic way possible, I frankly don't see the problem. I don't patronize mass-farming companies that treat their livestock like shit as a result whenever possible, but I'm not morally sickened by the thought of things that don't even have a concept of "sacred" having their bodies used for consumption after their death.

>>14060280
I've worked at a poultry farm. Chicken run around and spasm for a long time even after being decapitated.

Wild animals almost die by being eaten alive. At least farmed animals get a quick death

>>14058085
>how can you keep eating meat
Utilitarian vegans avoid meat because they believe that animals on factory farms experience more suffering than happiness. They want to reduce the number of animals who have to endure horrific experiences living in cramped conditions and being slaughtered at a young age.
Many people implicitly or explicitly believe that what's natural is good. Vegans reject this moral framework when it's used to defend omnivorism on the grounds that humans are naturally omnivorous. Yet, animal-rights advocates are not always so quick to reject the appeal to nature when it comes to wild-animal suffering. Many of them are environmentalists; they harbor the false assumption that animals are happy in the wild, and would therefore support habitat preservation.
Nature is not optimized for compassion; it's optimized by the cold, harsh forces of evolution. Billions of wild vertebrates and quadrillions of wild invertebrates are suffering right now across the globe. This is an urgent tragedy.
Some insect species have life expectancies at birth measured in days or weeks, and most deaths are quite painful. It seems likely that wild animals as a whole experience more suffering than happiness, in which case we would hope to prevent their births, just like vegans want to prevent the births of factory-farmed animals.
80% of Amazon deforestation stems from cattle ranching. Given that rainforests are home to some of the highest densities of wild-animal populations (and hence wild-animal suffering) on Earth, this appears to be a consideration in favor of beef consumption.
When cattle eat vegetation on pasture fields, they presumably leave less vegetation left over to be eaten by bugs (and other organisms). Hence, cattle grazing on the whole reduces bug populations (and therefore, bug suffering) on pasture fields.

>>14058085
I too have thoughts, feelings and feel pain and I'm pretty sure animals would gladly consume my flesh without regret. I eat them so I can have life in my body, unlike auschwitz jew starved, nerve deteriorated, brainfogged zombie, grass eating 'guilt-free' and health-free vegans sacrificing themselves for the sacred cow who died for our sins.

>>14060431
haven't worked on a chicken farm, I did kill one though
stabbed it a few times, and it was pretty much still
then I decapitated it and that's when it started flapping around and stuff
so that makes me think its more of a reflex

>>14060666
You stabbed a chicken? What kind of psycho are you? Wring it's neck or cut it's head off with an axe.

Stabbed a chicken. This guy's got a screw loose.

>>14060666
How the owner of the farm killed sick birds was grab them by the legs, step on it's head and pull so its neck snaps. They die pretty much instantly but will flop around by reflex.

>>14060210
Do you buy food, the planting, harvesting, deforestation prior to the planting, and pest control for, caused direct animal deaths?

If you give money to farmers, who use the money, your money, to gas, grind up, trap and shoot animals, then your hands are dripping with blood.

(These are practises utilized in all large scale vegetables, fruits and grain operations, the staple foods of the vegan killers)

We should all move to a grain only diet.

>>14060578
>Utilitarian vegans avoid meat because they believe that animals on factory farms experience more suffering than happiness. They want to reduce the number of animals who have to endure horrific experiences living in cramped conditions and being slaughtered at a young age.

Not true in any way. IF and I say IF vegans objected to "cruel factory farming" then they could exclusively implement "vegan" animal husbandry.... Outdoors, free from all cruelty and using humane killing methods.

No they do not, instead the satanic vegans plow over the animals natural habitat, killing off all of the natural animals, and plant unhealthy garbage that will make them sick like soy, GMO wheat and etc.
(not that I care, the sicker these vegan demons get the better)

Veganism is a anorexia cult for radical feminist whamen, nothing more. "The animals" is just a propaganda slogan, for their starvation cult.

The rest of your argument was pure Satanism.

>>14060776
Vegans are pretty much there already.

>>14060776
Yeah I'd love to be a fat fuck with scurvy.

If only we could create chickens and cows and such without brains, and instead a little device that controls the animal and monitors its health and quality. That way, no pain and we get to eat proper meat. I don't know how that would fare against lab grown meat, but I think people would go for the 'natural' method instead of agar meat.

>>14058085
life is war

>>14058106
based anthropocentrist

>>14058085
What's next for you weirdos, cauliflower has feelings?

>>14060778
>The rest of your argument was pure Satanism.
That's because it's really just the logical conclusion of ethical veganism.

>>14060324
Based and redpilled.

>>14060835
>We're not trying to find home for them so that means they are unwanted.
What's wrong with this insane bitch?

>>14060864
She's vegan.

>>14058085
Because they taste nice.

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>>14060817
i eat only salt crystals and fruit that has fallen from the tree, and carefully wander in the area of the fruit tree or bush and defecate out the seeds where a wild animal might do it. sometimes just eat half the rotting fruit off the ground and leave the seeds mired in the rest of the liquifying flesh. eating animal carcasses takes needed protein from vultures and hyenas.

>>14060817
the leafs look like little hands, like shes a very coy and shy cauliflower.

>>14060703
with a knife
snapped it neck first, that didn't seem to work at first, so I cut it off

Because I feel pain and there are people and animals out there who would eat me if I had the chance. This is a natural cycle.

>>14060947
She just needs to be asked three times before giving in.

All hot chicks like to be asked instead of told. Three times and a few beers generally works.

I literally could not care less.

>>14060939
be careful to not crush any seed w yor teeth

The same way a cougar would continue to eat me even though I would feel pain.

We are predators, they are prey.
We were just smart enough to herd our prey so it wouldn't require as much effort.
Vegetarians are usually alright, but the vegans are hilarious when they try to pretend that they're some Messiah of Livestock, better than their animal brains.

>>14061159
>messiah of livestock
So your wife left you to go save a cow huh? Sorry bud I know you have the emotion of a 3 year old go get yourself the violent omni wife you deserve straight boi

>>14060957
Why did you kill it? For food or for fun?

>>14058085
>feel pain? Have feelings? Thoughts? A will to live?
first of all what is the logic behind using these as criteria for what to eat and not to eat?

>>14058085
Because it's Nature. Humans are meant to eat meat.

>>14058085
'Carnist' is cooler. You should go back to using that, veganigger.

>>14058085
I don't know how to juggle eating veal and a massive, throbbing erection at the same time t b h

>>14061286
Man, the quality of the banter on 4chan has really dropped the last few years.

>>14058085
Mate there are two animals I care about first are bears and second are orcas
I care about bears because they are like me strong and hairy and others don't approach them out of fear, bears are happy to get their belly's full, break some shit and sleep we are both of a kind
I care about orcas because they are the most majestic thing in the world
Anything else is fair game

>>14058085
Everything has a "will to live." Every living thing wants to live and will try to keep living. In my eyes, the value of life is pretty much entirely subjective. I only really care about the death of a creature if it's a species I'm personally attached to or if it's a species of notable ecological value

>>14061967
Charlie don't surf!

>wow as an OMNI I never thought of it like that. I didn't know that animals felt pain. I see your point and from here on out I will live life as a vegan. Thank you OP a former OMNI
Are veglets really this retarded?.

>>14058085
Most people are controlled by base instincts, have no self control, and desire violence. These are the people obsessed with defending their meat eating habits and constantly seething at vegans.

>>14060778
>No they do not, instead the satanic vegans plow over the animals natural habitat, killing off all of the natural animals, and plant unhealthy garbage that will make them sick like soy, GMO wheat and etc.
>(not that I care, the sicker these vegan demons get the better)
Animals have to eat massive quantities of vegetables over their lifetimes. whatever argument you have against vegans rooted in the "farming is destructive" argument applies to your consumption habits multiple times over.
You're not a hunter gatherer, you're a seething schizo obsessed with putting as much blood in your mouth as you can before you get put in the ground. You're a soulless insect.

So do plants. The endgame of veganism is cannibalism or suicide. Gonna dodge that bullet.

>>14058085
If it weren't highly illegal, and they were a bit cleaner, I'd absolutely eat people... but I do prefer to eat free-range animals from the farms in my area of the world - given a good life and a quick death. The chicken and beef's a bit tougher, but it tastes better.

all life exists by consuming other life, there's nothing wrong with it
I'm sick of vegans using cute baby animals to propagandize when their intent is to make sure those animals are never born at all

>>14062039
Taking into account that animals have to be fed vegetables for their entire lives, vegans use far less total land per person than non vegans.
>>14062132
It would be better to have a few million cows on earth as pets or for education than to keep pumping them out by the billions just to eat them.

>>14058085
i eat them because i have a will to live too

>>14060750
There is no other alternative to secure non-meat food daily. The animal deaths which occur during production, while regrettable, is also necessary with the methods available today. Vegan food is a necessity, meat is an indulgence.

I'm not able to grow my own sustenance in a better way nor will it feed me the entire year so it has to be relied upon farms. If society collapses and food becomes scarce, I'll eat any meat available to survive. That's not the case though.

>>14062179
Why not just starve yourself to death like the rest of your cult does, then? If you accept your killing as "necessary", you're admitting that your life is worth more than that of animals, and hence are a speciecist.

>>14062153
>vegans use far less total land per person than non vegans.
Land that still has every single gopher and vole on it killed ASAP, not to mention all the cute fuzzy critters that get chewed up by the combine harvester.

Veganism is hypocrisy.

>>14061858
>banter
>on a anonymous site
That's pretty generous of you to consider internet strangers your friends, I applaud you for being able to romancitize people who can post your parents info everywhere so well

>>14058085
>Omnis
please tell me you don't actually talk like this

>>14058085

Honestly, I just recognize that at whatever point there is in the future when my body has matured to something consumable by a force against which I am incapable of defending myself against, they will order my death and prepare my corpse for consumption.

I'm hoping I'm pretty tasty, and will be some sort of delicacy.

I've been consuming my fellow mammals my entire life, even though I've never intentionally killed any of them, so It's only fair.

Fucking plants have a will to live, for all we know, though.

I think that arugula I just chewed up might have had a plan to build the Eiffel tower, but it sure went down nice with some ranch dressing and croutons.

And there was yeast in those croutons, and that's also living, and might have feelings and thoughts and a will to live.

Like, do you actually study biology or are you just trying to virtue-signal?

>>14062260
Calm down, we all know you use vegan as a insult. Vegans doing it too is because of omnivores insulting vegans. Nice falseflag there bud

>>14062274
cringe

>>14062239
My life is absolutely worth more than anyone else's (to me). I would not die to save an animal or two. The gross non-necessary indulgence of mass produced meat which causes a number of problems is worth going against though. I'm sorry you can't see the difference between "We're going to kill animals for their meat as effectively as possible as a luxury product" vs "animals happen to die during plant growing to maximize yield" unless you think farmers are just sadists. Oh and no, not going to starve myself to death even though it's a popular myth perpetuated around here. Do post a random sickly looking person and a quote overlay indicating it's vegan if you wish. They're always funny.

>>14062257
go suck your uncle's cock you faggot

>>14062288
I agree that in the west, especially America, we eat too much meat both as far as health goes and for sustainabilitys sake. However I don't see a reason to stop doing it altogether. At this point, livestock would have no other reasonable means of surviving so we'd just be genocidijg them anyway if we stop eating them. Also meat tastes good and is culturally important to many

>>14062288
>my life is worth more than theirs
Nice moral inconsistency there shithead. You can use the same logic to justify eating bacon for taste.
Pic related is the rat you just murdered with poison.

>>14062288
>My life is absolutely worth more than anyone else's (to me).

For whom, exactly, do you believe this statement isn't true?

Like, you think that death is some kind of choice where you resign to some superior force, and anyone who isn't dead hasn't done that yet, and thus deserves to be alive more than any other living creature?

It's not. It's fucking death. If you're a spider, it might be a hand holding a piece of toilet-paper or a tissue that hovers above you before striking down and crushing your body.

If you're a cow, it might be the moment that your legs are strapped onto a conveyor belt that ends in a buzz-saw chopping your body in half.

If you're a human, it might be the flash of light that accompanies a nuclear blast that will shortly render you into a hot paste of atomic materials of which you were once composed.

Who fucking cares? We live until we die, and we do it because we literally don't know what else to do.

Obviously your life is worth more than anyone else's (to you). That's why you're you. Tell me something I don't know, lol.

>>14058504
That's why you give them a chance.

>>14062329
Sure but in the end, cattle were made for steaks and hamburgers, debate that all you want but its true.

>>14062329
What are you, some kind of bizzaroworld vegan?

>>14062309
>At this point, livestock would have no other reasonable means of surviving so we'd just be genocidijg them anyway if we stop eating them
This only works as an argument if you think being raised in modern mass meat production farms in pretty much horrible conditions from day 1 to death by slaughter is better than not existing at all.

>>14062325
What is the inconsistency? My value of self does not directly translate to the death of animals else when alternatives exist to keep me alive and healthy. You still think necessity of crops is the same as killing animals exclusively for their meat.

>>14062329
I merely stated "to me" because otherwise there's a glaring opportunity to reply "lol I don't value vegans like you and nor does anyone else, just die thanks".

>>14062329
>If you're a cow, it might be the moment that your legs are strapped onto a conveyor belt that ends in a buzz-saw chopping your body in half.
Yeah, that does not happen. Unless it's halal butchery they get a bolt to the head and die instantly.

>>14062337
Don't fool yourself, they'd do it to us if they could.

MOO!

>>14062339
Oh so the halal is better when they hang them, bless them, cut them then let them bleed out? Don't be a fucking hypocrite.

>>14062345
No it absolutely is not better. That's not what I'm saying at all.
>Bolt to the head
instant, painless
>Bleeding to death
not so good way to go

>>14062334
>cattle were made

Lol; OMG even the basic idea of Hindu mythology would wreck that argument, and I'm someone who would probably be totally wrecked by it.

I mean, what if the cows were just projecting themselves into a highly-edible and easily slaughter-able version of a physical body that served as some sort of test for mankind, which if they killed and ate would constitute some sort of eternal transgression?

Imagine the cow that couldn't be killed, who watched you shooting pistons into the brains of its brethren, and strapping its hooves onto conveyor belts that ended in their slaughter before chopping up and devouring?

That would have to be a pretty pissed-off cow, right?

It's name is Brahma, and it's basically the top-deity of the entire Hindu religion.

So yeah, you can believe that cattle were "made" for consumption, but there's always going to be one who is asking whether you're not made for being broken down into meat, if that's all it boils down to.

Maybe what you're saying is true - but who the fuck is telling you that?

What source do you cite as infallible?

>>14062337
>What is the inconsistency?
yes or no?

>>14062335

Not really. Bizarroworld is some sort of game of opposites.

So what would a bizzaroworld vegan be?

I guess it's a vegan who eats meat.

Guilty as charged, if that's the case. How one could be a vegan and also eat meat, I'm honestly not sure, but that's what a bizzaroworld vegan would have to be, so it's sort of up to you to explain.

>>14062337
>I merely stated "to me" because otherwise there's a glaring opportunity to reply "lol I don't value vegans like you and nor does anyone else, just die thanks".

But I do value vegans.

I don't understand them, but I value them.

They obviously value themselves, because every vegan I've talked to thinks they're making a difference by being one, and they are prepared with a litany of discourse to dispel any argument I might come up with against their lifestyle.

I mean, I get the idea of being a vegetarian. Don't eat anything that had to die in order for you to enjoy it. That makes sense, and there's a lot of food I could imagine eating for the rest of my life that doesn't violate those standards, most of which comes from India.

But milk? I mean, it's not like producing milk products is something that mammals weren't going to do once they were impregnated.

Whether it's a farmer's hand or the teething of a young calf clamping down on their udder, you can bet that a cow is going to squirt milk.

Like, seriously, where does this vegan thing come from?

It's so fascinating... I value it because I'm still waiting for anyone who can explain it.

>>14062361

Well, when there's a life-form that decides we (humans) are capable and worthy of being killed in order to support their health, then maybe you can ask them.

Until then, there is no inconsistency. Kill and eat whatever you can.

Just don't puss out when it comes time for you to become a tasty steak.

>>14062357
I honestly don't give a flying fuck about hindus, give me a positive reason why I should?

>>14062368
I don't know and don't care, they're stupid bizzaroworld vegans, I don't give a shit about them.

>>14062368
I also don't give a shit about hippies.
That's a pretty fucked up combination there, hippies and vegan and california types. Basic useless morons there.

What's next for those idiots, san diego cults?

>>14062389

Sorry, there is none.

Like, if you give a shit about stories that human beings tell, and keep track of how old they are, then maybe you'd give flying fuck about it.

But on it's own, it's pretty much the same thing as that one where the entirety of human existence exists on the back of a giant turtle.

Sure, nobody believes that it's true.

But nobody can really provide a reasonable counterargument, can they?

>>14058085
I could make the same argument about every woman in the world refusing to fuck me, but do not because I understand these things are justified.

>>14062393
>Basic useless morons there
>>14062393

Because Midwestern types are less morons, or whatever other part of the Earth you happened to have been born in.

Obviously, some of them are morons, because you think that.

Tell me why they're morons, though?

I mean, if you can.

You probably can't, but I'd really love to hear your incoherent ramblings about how some people who weren't born where you think they should have been are somehow moronic, because it's charming like those toddlers who say "fuck."

They said it though, didn't they? I mean... lol

>>14062471
>I understand these things are justified

Do you?

Who told you that?

Who is the justice in charge of justifying the things that you feel are justified?

Maybe you should make your argument harder.

>>14062383
They think calves starve because their mom is being milked by a human. No, it doesn't make any sense.

>>14062477
They're morons because they're stupid hippies that wear vans around and think that their san diego cults are god. They can go to hell for all I care.

>>14062477
I just never got into the west coast, vans wearing, hippy bullshit.

>>14062470
Sure they can, you just have to document it before the old folk die. It's best to write that stuff down, in all seriousness. Once old folk die then there wont be much left so it's best to document as much as possible.

>>14062470
Same with recipies, it's history as well.

>>14058609
>hardcore meat eaters
>pizza hut
Pizza hut is mostly flour and vegetable oil like everything else Americans eat.

The standard American diet is 70% plant based.

OP is literally appealing to empathy on 4chan haw haw haw

>>14058464
Excuse me, good sir, but would one not need several large black gentlemen to get "gang raped"?

>>14058085
I didn't climb to the top of the food chain to eat grass. Bring on the steak.

Plants want to live too and scream when cut

>>14058085
Usually with a side dish appropriate for whatever meat is being prepared, I go easy on the carbohydrate-heavy stuff though

>>14058085
Have you considered that all industrial agriculture displaces wildlife and destroys natural habitats? That even organic certified pesticides and herbicides can be harmful to fish populations? How about the fact that all farming equipment runs on diesel with motors running all day for pumps and irrigation systems. Speaking of which, irrigation consumes inordinate amounts of fresh water. What kind of ethical farming are you talking about, anon?
I’ve even got a fun story for you all. One summer I worked on a farm that did mixed organic and ‘conventional’ farming of a variety of crops and livestock. One organic fertilizer we would use for green beans was blood from the killing floor. They’d drive a tanker truck out to the field and we’d pump it through the sprinkler heads. Occasionally bits of brain or tissue would get stuck in the heads and you’d have to clear them by hand. In about an hour the truck would be empty and we’d flush the lines with water. By the end you’d be covered in pig blood. I often thought of the vegans and muslims that would feel so good about eating their pork blood beans.

>>14062017
>Animals have to eat massive quantities of vegetables over their lifetimes.

A twisted, tortured truth, at best. Cows on pastureland don't have to eat a single vegetable their entire life. They just want to eat the grass that God grows for them. Has a vegan ever told the truth?? I've never seen it.

>whatever argument you have against vegans rooted in the "farming is destructive" argument applies to your consumption habits multiple times over.

Cows .... Natural grasslands ... Zero pesticides use .... Zero deforestation..... Can you say anything close to that for anything you eat vegan? No you can't. Get out your bulldozer and destroy the Earth for another avocado.

>You're not a hunter gatherer, you're a seething schizo obsessed with putting as much blood in your mouth as you can before you get put in the ground. You're a soulless insect.

This is a high compliment coming from a satanic cultist.

>>14058085
idgaf

>>14063199
>after reaching the mountain's summit
I couldn't make it that far, and neither could you.

>>14063207
Thousands of tourists do it every year

>>14062765
>Pizza hut has pepperoni and cheese


Obvious bait, you forgot about the meat and cheese

>>14063217
I must admit I had no idea. Even reverse image searched it to make sure you weren't bullshitting me.
I probably still couldn't do it, though.

>>14063296
The queues are so long and slow moving that it causes people to die or get really bad frostbite. After about 8km high you enter the so called death zone. Human body can't survive up there without extra oxygen, so if you run out you start slowly dying. But people are stupid and have paid insane amount of money to go there so instead of turning around they end up dying and become a human popsicle for other climbers to see on the way up.

>>14063108
>Has a vegan ever told the truth??
Yes. I lived with one for several years. He was a solid dude, just didn't like animals or animal byproducts in his food or clothing.

>Destroy the Earth for another avocado.
Well, that wouldn't work. How would he eat it?

>This is a high compliment coming from a satanic cultist.
Depends on the sect of Satanism, but usually high praise comes in the form of "Good on you for sticking up for yourself without being a moral-less twat about it."

You have been cherrypicked.

>>14063416
Any other places I can go to look at frozen corpses?

>>14060778
>No they do not, instead the satanic vegans plow over the animals natural habitat
Habitats being natural doesn't make them good. To me natural is a pejorative.

Lets birth our AI progeny already and then genocide all creatures with a central nervous system.

>>14062663
The calves don't starve because they're slaughtered.

>>14062483
Why should I? I'm conversing with retards, not debating.

>>14063808
Other 8km peaks. It's so high up that you can't really recover them. Other climbers usually push them over the edge. There's an area at the Everest called Rainbow Valley because it's littered with corpses of the climbers with neon colored mountain clothing.

>>14063979
laff, should rename it to retard valley

They don't feel it for long

>>14064327
The thing about Everest is that it's made so "easy" by the Sherpas that it's more like a very taxing hike than actual climbing. It attracts a lot of rich idiots with money to burn so they can flex with it and many of them have very little actual climbing experience.
Altitude sickness doesn't care how fit you are. Some people are just prone to it. If you don't know your limits it can fuck you before you realize it and it's a long way down. There is no cure but to get down and no one can help you but you because they are almost as exhausted and weak as you are.

>>14058191
>Plows over rain-forest to graze cattle
>Kills all wild animals

Same shit but different volume far less land for plants than cattle

>>14064478
Go eat plants you vegan fag.

I desire all life to cease, no being is worthy of existence, consuming the beasts’ flesh expedites annihilation. The plant substitutes pretty tasty tho

>implying life isn't suffering already and the lucky ones are those who die before me.

>>14058578
I'd eat you if I could

I truly do feel bad about eating animals
Except chickens, of course. They're the worst animal on the planet and deserve to be eaten.

>>14063808
A coroners office.

>>14058085
Vegan here.
In my experience you will only enrage people by taking the initiative of discussing these issues. Give a good example with your actions and humbly provide some information only when asked. People don't like to be confronted with their stupidities and will only do counter actions because they are retarded. And yes there are a lot of retarded hypocrite people.

>>14065278
you should post this picture in the Chili w/ beans thread

>>14058085
For the same reason BANKS foreclose on homes, and for the same reason landlords evict tenants who have feelings, thoughts, and a will to live.

>>14058085
Fuck off faggot it's just a smelly beast

>>14067572
neck yourself

>>14058085
I've been around cows. They don't have thoughts.

>>14067836
That image is from back when people still thought Maddox was cool.

>>14058578
stop humanizing animals

>>14058085
same way a cat can eat a bird. I don't give it much thought, and I don't intend to. I only eat meat on special occasions, and I've never had beef or chicken. only pork.
perhaps it's a bit hypocritical considering pigs are pretty fucking smart, but eh. like most things, it's only as complicated as you make it yourself.

>>14067836
Thanks maddox you iranian bastard

>>14060835
>>14060864
I'm betting all my toilet paper that psycho is a chosen one

>>14061895
People don't approach you because you're autistic and smelly, like a jannie. It's repulsion not intimidation.

>>14062383
>Like, seriously, where does this vegan thing come from?
>It's so fascinating... I value it because I'm still waiting for anyone who can explain it.

Explain Anorexia and you explain Veganism. Protip you can't. Veganism is a anorexia cult for radical left white women who hate the world and hate themselves. Explain self-harm. I can't, but that's all Veganism is.

because were fucking humans and we were meant to eat animals, you fucking retard.

>>14058478
Are you the same guy who LARP'd in a different about putting Everclear in your baby sister's milk to make her retarded because your mom punished you for something?

>>14058728
I'm not vegan or vegetarian but your reasoning is retarded.

>>14061670
just some fun

>>14068659
Embarrassing.

>>14067836
This is clearly a shop because carnists can't afford a decent copper pan, that's why they have to sperg over their smelly, greasy, sticky, filth-encrusted cast iron all the time

>>14058141
Yes, and I shoot frequently to keep those plant based foods from being ravaged by wildlife. I kill thousands of birds and rodents every year across farmers' fields where I live in order to help keep their crops from being ravaged.

>>14062271
Lol yeah dude livestock is no more sentient than yeast. Fucking owned these pussy ass stupid ass anons.

We christians sure have shit figured out dont we.

>>14058106
Based

>>14068063
>you fucking retard

Blessed be christ's sacred and holy name amen.
John 3:16

>>14058085
I don't care about their pain, feelings, thoughts, and will to live.

AND THE CALF THAT YOU CARVE WITH A SMILE IS MURRDERRRR

>>14059472
>Tasty Pain
Not gonna lie, that sounds like an 80s hair metal band.

>>14068921
What's a "carnist?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97Wry4ppywQ

>>14068921
>He doesn't know how to properly clean a cast iron pan
Why are vegans so incompetent at everything regarding cooking?