/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>13965953
European autism + respective countries enforcing the product in the early days. Really all there is to it.

>>13965953
Strange sense of pride given legal form. Kind of like how you're not allowed to go out and open a small business called "Apple Phone Repairs" in most countries.

>>13965953
>>13965967
i see familiar english words but they make no sense.

>>13965975
that's not applicable in the slightest, it's more akin to someone trying to make you call a tuna sandwich something else because the tuna sandwhich was made in the the lock du tuna 500 years ago

>>13965967
Addendum: there's nothing stopping one from making their own sparkling wine and calling it "Champagne". It's just that certain countries may refuse to sell it.

>>13965953
What's with am*rican frankenfood companies being so lazy that instead of even trying to make a product that people want to buy again and again, they just slap random words on the label hoping to confuse potential customers into buying their swill by accident?

>>13965987
It's more like trying to call swai "tuna brand fish*"
*actually 100% swai

and putting the word "brand" in microscopic fine print so people just see "tuna" and "fish" and buy it by accident

It's like this for a lot of thing.
Like bourbon
the US Federal Standard for Distilled Spirits state that for a spirit to be called "Bourbon", it must be produced in the USA. And many countries around the world ratify that, through international trade agreements.

Scotch too

>>13965953
Why the fuck if that middle-right "champagne" flavoured with anything? This is why American "food" is so untrustworthy and has almost no standardisation for quality.

>>13965953
Whats the with a produces name that is a region in france and therefor cant be from anywhere else?

>>13968393
This. It's sort of a quality control. Also it's not like you can't copyor vary those things in Europe too, you just have to come up with a different name for it or call it xxx style or things like that.

As a consumer it's baffling why it's such a source of seething that sparkling wine produced outside of its home regions be called sparkling wine instead. None of you would be trust fund babby heirs to new world wine fortunes.

oh boy, just wait until you try and call cheese by its name

>>13968413
champagne became a generic term centuries ago, I'm sorry froggo

>>13965953
>that weird accent in Rogét
is it autism?

>>13965953
TYPICALLY AMERICANS

YEH you can name it Champagne! But we all know its FUCKIN soda!

Just like we have the only TRUE Champagne just like the Germans have the only TRUE Risling and like them the Swedes have the TRUE meatballs, you uncultured american muts

All americans be like
BC EVERYONE LIKE TO DO X WE SHOULD DO X
Just because a milion flies like shit doesn't mean we need to like shit especially not your mass produced garbage!

>>13965953
>>13965967
>>13965975
>>13965988
Burgers sure talk a lot of shit about others when they have their own set of special snowflake words like bourbon as >>13967774 mentioned.

>>13968505
It's not people who drink wine or care about food who are seething about this. If you care about food it's self evident why you'd want to have your food labeled accurately. It's just /pol/-tier ultranationalist americans who live on fast food and coca cola getting offended over something that doesn't affect them because their lives are so empty and devoid of culture that they don't know what else to do other than spew hate

>>13969320
that's a strange take on a harmless jibe about autistic french monopolization of a general term

>>13965953
It's not simply using the word champagne, it's using french imagery all along.

3 out of 5 bottles on OP pic are using name with accent unused in english.

The first on the left is most likely a made up name.
In the middle the bottle could be as well named Steve.
and the fourth is basically almond and the suffix -age (both used in english and french) with an accent not even used in french.

Only one thing can come out of that level of dishonesty and that's a miserable product

I'd easily take a bet that the best one in the pic is the fifth one without a second tought, and that the worst probably are 1 and 3.

So do we care yes, but not simply for the generic name. Hopefully those are made with grapes. Imagine the fight Spain has with Mexico over manchego cheese being from sheep or cow.

>>13965953
With wines there’s a few good reasons. Champagne is the result of a unique soil chemistry and a method of mixing wine to get the same exact taste every year, without older vintages reserved for mixing you can’t achieve this same result. Other wines are less particular, but you get the idea.
Cheese in particular has a lot to do with where the cows graze and what they graze on. Alpine cheeses and Italian cheeses are most often the result of cows grazing upon flowers found in mountainous regions. I’m not saying they exclusively eat flowers, but they definitely don’t eat corn like american angus or holstein tend to. The altitude affects milk production as well as specific breeding. Now one can go into the lab and attempt to reduce these things into additives or methods of processing, which could likely fool someone unfamiliar with these products. Because of this countries grant DOP or some other such system to protect authenticity, as it is expensive and should be for the effort.

>>13965953
I can point to many other examples, but the core of the argument is that a lot of minutiae and a lot of processes have to be followed for things to be called "champagne". That includes soil stuff. The US has their own list of specific things, and it's not a "brand" name. Pointing to a champagne brand would be Franck Bonville. Champagne is like calling things cheddar (which is named after the village of... Cheddar!). Yes, there are a lot of cheeses that are passed off as cheddar, but the "traditional" type of cheddar, from Somerset, has specific designations, a specific name, so on and so forth. It's not a brand. It's a specific foodstuff.

>>13965997
this

>>13965953
>What's the with a region claiming proprietary right to use the name of a product
The name of the product is the name of the region it is from.

>>13965953
that picture makes me irrationally angry

>NOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T CALL THAT CHEESE CHEDDAR!
>IT WASN'T MADE IN CHEDDAR, SOMERSET, ENGLAND, UNITED KINGDOM!

>NON YOU CANNOT CALL ZE SPRAKLING WINE CHAMPAGNE, ZIS WAS NOT MADE IN ZE REGION CHAMPAGNE FRANCAIS

>NOT
>MY
>HECKIN
>FOODERINOS
>FUCKING AMERICANS REEE

>>13965953
I'm an IP lawyer, so I can answer some of this.

It happens, but as >>13965967 notes, there's a lot of European autism to it.

The theory behind it, at least: a designation of origin, like an AOC, has some minimal guarantee of quality. I don't want to buy Jim Bob's "Champagne," I wanna buy Champagne made by some waifish French asshole in the Champagne region, because the terroir is better and because there's a history behind the grapes. Moreover, Jim Bob's use of the word "Champagne" is arguably just an attempt to leverage the good will by other winemakers from Champagne - after all, what he's fundamentally selling is sparkling wine. If Jim Bob makes good wine, arguably, his name alone should carry the day, and his inability to use the word "Champagne" shouldn't affect much.

Of course, the Europeans act like somehow their shit is plated gold and the word "Champagne" is magical. I'd argue that the word has become genericized, like Kleenex, especially since the term "California Champagne" can be used by some (pre-1960 I think?) Cali winemakers, but who cares.

Fun fact: this issue was big in Scotland back in the day. When I was in Scotland about a year ago, I got to see a lot of wine barrels labeled "From Glenlivet" despite the fact that they were not made by ~THE~ Glenlivet distillery. The issue being that "Glenlivet" is a region, and people were trying to ape the fame of ~THE~ Glenlivet. IIRC, the Scottish government stamped that out pretty quickly.

A more interesting issue: names. McDonald's is a name, and there are a lot of people named McDonald, but they'd arguably be prevented from opening a "McDonald's Restaurant" or something like that. There's arguable unfairness to it, but it's a function of consumer protection.

>>13969389
Korbel is legitimately good, and the people there actually care about the quality of the product and making it in the traditional way. No, it won't replace the Dom Perignon or Vueve Cliquot, but for $10-15 it's better than the typical 5 euro bottle of French swill that ends up marked up marked up to 20+ USD once it makes it to the US.

>>13969742
Korbel is also notable for being the best brandy for an old fashioned.

>>13969699
interesting

>>13965997
>table wine
>burgandy
W-what does it taste like?

>>13969784
Semi-sweet jug wine
No resemblance to anything from burgundy
If you've ever had white zinfandel, expect something similar to that

>>13969742
>but for $10-15 it's better than the typical 5 euro bottle of French swill that ends up marked up marked up to 20+ USD once it makes it to the US
Nigga just buy cremant de loire/alsace/bourgogne, typically the same ballpark as korbel but actually good

>>13970235
Those aren't real. You just googled those you fucking hipster cuck.

>>13970240
>Those aren't real

u fuckin wot m8
they're literally just methode champenoise wines from Alsace/Loire/Burgundy

>>13969235
Agreed, Americans don't really have a history yet think they're the best.

>>13969320
Agreed, just yanks being yanks

>>13969656
>>13969663
>>13969672
Shut up burger

>>13969699
btw it's definitely not Europeans that act like their shit is plated gold or whatever. In Germany we use the word "Sekt" to name these kinds of sparkling wines. And nobody here considers one from the champagne region to be so much superior. It's you americas that apparently haven't come up with a different name for sparkling wine, so you need to call it all champagne. I bet you don't buy sparkling wine from California or whatever wine region because it's you americans that think it's not good enough.

>>13971620
The Brits call it Sparkling Wine. It's really just the name of it in English. Champagne is the most common and premium one (because of the Brits, mostly), so there's prestige associated with it.

>>13971661
Some of the Brits I know seem to call it "Cava" which is another Spanish brand of sparkling wine. Apparently they use "cava" even when they speak of sparkling wine in general

>>13969320
>It's not people who drink wine or care about food who are seething about this.
That's what I was implying, perhaps too subtly. The people seething that ownership of the word goes to producers in the region are libertarian useful idiots for big business concerns who would like to label products deceptively. It's the same type that's currently LARPing as soldiers while screaming and coofing on each other so their masters, safe in their gated community McMansions, don't take such a hit on their share portfolio.

>>13969383
t. seething fast food addict

>>13970302
seething

>>13971682
Not really. We get Champagne, Brut and Cava, but if we aren't being specific, we sometimes say 'fizz', 'bubbly', or 'sparkling wine'

>>13972067
I don't much care for fast food, but it certainly is cheap and fast calories if you are out working. You are an imbecile to be quite frank with you. Also, champagne is a generic term for champagne :^).

>>13974233
ditch diggers don't get to tell their betters who's an imbecile, bluto

>>13974292
I'm sure in some centuries your argument style is compelling, but your main flaw is this is the 21st.