/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>13388858
Everything.
>safe foods
Fuck that. Take the drugs, get the surgeries.

>>13388858
I have Ulcerative Colitis. If you think being limited on foods is the bad part then you haven't even begun suffering yet. The worst parts are more like the nonstop stabbing pain and repeated blood filled diarrhea to where you can't even stay away from the bathroom long enough to go to sleep anymore. Or the abecesses and fistulae that start opening up and making hot liquid shit leak into your scrotum or underneath your skin around where you shit. Or the immunosuppressants that have cancer as a side effect and even then still don't work after a little while on them. Or all the prednisone side effects including thinning out your flesh and making wounds stop healing which ends up only worsening your condition in the long term. Or the surgery where you either end up with an ostomy bag permanently or else temporarily followed by having some length of small intestine looped around and stapled to your anus to replace your colon and rectum.
>I really dont want to be reduced down to a bland or liquid diet.
It would be nice if you even could get by on a liquid only diet, but that only makes things worse. As bad as it feels to eat solid food with UC it ends up being more painful without solid food because your intestines have nothing to work on and just get irritated and start churning out bile and ulcer blood and you end up stuck in the bathroom even longer.
In terms of which foods are less trouble though, to with soft meats like sliced turkey or ham. Apple sauce and vanilla pudding are OK too. One major trap to avoid is don't start eating a ton of vegetables thinking that's going to help you by being healthy and increasing your fiber. A lot of us learn the hard way that high fiber foods only clog up your inflamed intestines and then come up bit by bit undigested in the worst, most painful and prolonged way you can imagine. That's why GI doctors will do the opposite and recommend the low residue diet where fiber's kept to a minimum.

>>13388900
>almost 2020
>still having a colon

>>13388858
I don't have either of those things. I just drink like a hobo. Now my asshole is basically a warzone. I shit 4 times before 6am today. It gets pretty painful. Grip the sides of the toilet and pray for death painful, but you get used to it. I just eat what I want and hope some if the nutrients get absorbed. Good luck.

>>13388900
fuck man now im depressed. how have you gotten by all ths time?

>>13388896
Drugs and surgery don't magically fix everything. At best some of the more poewerful drugs make it a little less bad for a while until they don't anymore and surgery is trading in one set of GI symotoms for another (unless you go full permanent ostomy bag, though even then you still potentially get ulceration and disease back in the small intestines you have left, even with UC despite UC originally being assumed to only ever impact the colon).

>>13388858
UC guy here. I told my gastro-enterologist I wanted to eat all kinds of food, so it was his task to arrange a meeting with the GE-surgeon to remove my colon. Now I have a stoma and I can eat whatever I want. Also if they remove your colon you will never have a flareup of UC ever again. A win win situation for me because I never have to poop again.

>>13388914
Might as well have a good time with it until your inevitable suicide.

>>13388915
do you ever have issues with your bag filling up and worrying about finding a place to empty it in time?

>>13388904
I don't have a colon. I have the j-pouch (small intestine looped around and replacing the large intestine). Spoiler alert: this doesn't fix everything either, especially after enough time has passed for new problems to start up with the small intestine and everything around the anus where all the unfiltered bile salt diarrhea will start to bust open abscesses and fistulae.

>>13388915
Imagine the smell.

>>13388923
This. My neighbor cut his wrists open in the hot tub. That took too long so he blew his brains out. Sucks his wife had to find all that. He just came back from the hospital from a bad flare up. Probably didn't feel like dealing with an ouchy sphincter anymore.

>>13388933
ive been in a flareup for 3 years and havent killed myself yet. that guy is just a pussy

>>13388915
>if they remove your colon you will never have a flareup of UC ever again.
Not actually true. They just change the name from colitis to "pouchitis." Or you start having higher up intestinal problems which used to be thought as a Crohns only issue but if you look into proctocolectomy patients with UC it turns out given enough time this becomes a common issue for them too.

>>13388934
He was hospitalized for a couple weeks that time. He drank like a bastard too. Probably didn't help but whatever gets you going I guess.

>>13388932
It's actually not that bad, a lot of the most fierce smells are from the fermentation that only really occurs in the large bowel.

>>13388928
No colon, no rectum, ileostomy. No part of my GI tract still exists in that area. No more abscesses, no more fistulae, no more constantly leaking inflamed pus.

Yes, if my small intestine starts to fall apart and there's no real drugs by that point, that's toaster bathtub time.

>>13388913
>how have you gotten by all ths time?
It's not like you have much of a choice. You get by because you aren't dead.

>>13388942
yeah but hows your outlook on life? are you a happy guy or just bitter?

>>13388940
>No colon, no rectum, ileostomy.
It's the same with j-pouch. Proctocolectomy (removal of colon and rectum).

>>13388946
I don't dwell on feelings. If you start feeling bad you can end up agitating your GI tract just from the stress.

>>13388858
>>13388900
Try PKD. Paleolithic Keyogrnic diet. It’s basically carnivore plus staying in ketosis. Lots of people with crohns and UC say it’s cured them.

Includes:

fatty meat - lamb, beef, pork, fish
organ/offal meats - liver, kidney, heart, brain and bone marrow
fat to protein ratio should be around 2:1 in grams
Excludes:

no dairy, milk, cream, butter, cheeses, yoghurt
no poultry
no nitrates or nitrites (rules out bacon, ham, sausages, processed meats)
excludes eggs initially for autoimmune illnesses
no tea, and coffee initially
no artificial sweeteners
no fasting
Lean beef is approximately 20 - 25% protein. So 100g of lean beef should be accompanied by 40 - 50g of fat to achieve a ratio of 2:1 fat:protein.

Fasting is not recommended. However, if you find yourself gravitating to two or one meal day that's fine.

>>13388954
>Lots of people with crohns and UC say it’s cured them.
That's great if you think you found some diet that makes you feel better. Nobody's "curing" anything though. There's a lot of desperate wishful thinking going on where you try to convince yourself you're "cured" for as long as possible until things get bad enough that you start needing to acknowledge reality again.

>>13388965
LOL whatever man. If you wanna just feel like a helpless victim and not accept your own (dietary) responsibility in this, then nobody can help you.

does weed help?

>>13388954
And Diabetes 2 can technically be cured with Keto, as insulin resistance will eventually drop.
But sadly the key word is "eventually".
Its something there should be hard research into, but diet research is basically a scam devoid of science.

PKD won't cure either of OPs diseases, but it will lead to dropping resistance or inflammation due allergies.
Which will help, because it means recognizing what you are allergic too down the line once you stop doing Paleo.

>>13389138
Weed helps everything.

lol Jews

>>13389234
Yeah, you can’t stop. You gotta stay on the diet for life. Maybe the occasional exception / cheat meal once a month.

>>13389239
dude

>>13389316
Weed. I know. Shit is great.

>>13388858
I have UC. My enjoyment from food comes from cooking, not eating. I don’t eat much. Barely enough to survive. When my youngest kid hits 18 I will just stop eating and let myself die, because I hate life, but I won’t actively try to end my life before my kids are grown up. So in short, I eat hotdogs...

>>13389322
what are the best hotdogs to get? i buy the nathans skinless all-beef

>>13389313
Its not as much as you can't stop, as the fact you can never actually go back to eating normal food.
Because somewhere inn normal food there is things you are allergic too, where the body was too healthy in its youth to acknowledge.

You basically do PKD, then try to eat normal food trying to eliminate what you have bad allergies to.
It will never go away, but at the least you can figure out that you are dying from eating one of those vegetables or processed food that is a staple of your diet.
And like with allergy to peanuts or strawberries: You always sorta want to eat it.

>>13388858
its all in your head. ever heard of the brain gut connection??. after i started micro dosing naltrexone i went from 15+ bloody shits, joint pain in every joint, even jaw, i couldnt open my mouth more than 1 cm. Leaking fistulas, constant discharge from my penis and shit like that. now after 6 weeks i shit 5-7 times a day not so much blood. rising hemoglobin, fistulas not as tender anymore and dosnt leak as much. join pain is reduced with 95% only my fingers hurt. and 0 penis discharge. anyway just try i out microdose anywhere between 1-10mg. i needed 5+mg before i got better

>>13389330
If you go to a butcher and get the skin on, those are the best. I like the snap. I get Nathan's if I'm at the grocery store though.

>>13388933
Hot blood all over the bathroom walls and floor would hardly seem out of place

>>13389385
He was outside for all that, which was courteous. You can just take a hose to it.

Cant you guys just get a poop transplant?

>>13388915
i don't know your pain because i don't have either of these issues but the idea of a stoma is horrifying to me, i get sick to my stomach and feel weak just cleaning out my belly-button with a q-tip. i could not imagine having a perma hole that bleeds all the time.

Just curious if you have tried anti viral meds? There is some good evidence a virus that causes Johns disease in cows could be a big thing causing UC chrons ibs etc in humans because it tends to survive pastuerization and then lodges itself in human intestines.

Anyways, the irony is I would recommend milk and orange juice if you can’t eat well, and then beef liver and other nutrient rich meats because they digest mostly in the small intestine and leave little residue to irritate the rest of your colon. I would also take gelatin or collagen peptides in your liquids.

Also, the amount of despair in this thread is horrifying. The disease is terrible and I hope any of people afflicted with it get better, but the truth is you have the power within you to heal. If you give in and go the route with immunosuppressants you should use that as an opportunity to figure out how to heal naturally and then come off them. The biggest mistake is handing over your health to your GI doctor and drugs and surgeries. I pray for your health and wellness and the realization of your own power to find it within yourself. I used to bleed out my asshole too, last year I had an abscess/fistula which made me question the nature of pain and what is possible to suffer in this world but today I have pretty normal bowel movements and even a few here and there I am absolutely proud of. I eat pretty much anything and the only things that give me problems are emulsifiers and too much fibre from beans and poorly cooked grains.

>>13389975
a clean healthy stoma doesnt bleed though, it just looks like pink skin like the inside of your lips

>>13389337
My friend. You need to figure out what causes the inflammation and manage that and get healthy and taper off naltrexone. Suppressing inflammation powerfully has a downside, the immune system will use alternate arms like th17 to create an immune response over time, if you are still eating foods and dealing with whatever causes your problems in first place.
I am happy you found relief with nltx and hope you use this time without symptoms to examine and think about and apply how to achieve good state of health without relying on nltx everyday. Maybe ideally you could get to a place where you only need to dose it once a week or so.

I had something like it, I had unexpected diarrhea for weeks. It went away eventually but I was worried I had an allergy or was lactose intolerant and this would be my life now.

>>13389337
Also saying it is all in his head is very simplistic and condescending. I have studied nltx and gut disorders and microbiome for some time, it is not fair to say things like you did and apply your own views outwardly from what you think about your own health. In the end, nltx is an immune modulator, you are simply using a drug to achieve relief of symptoms you could also manage by addressing root causes of your issue. If there is a toxin you are being exposed to via diet or lifestyle or even just mindset and you continue on that path using nltx to manage it, your body could still find a way to break free. What causes the problem in first place? Pls continue on the path of healing and don’t just call it quits with the drug.

>>13390006
may we all be blessed with stronger health friend. truth is i have gone 3 years now with no end in sight, my body has had many permanent damages to it and my appearance has taken a turn for the worse due to 3 years constant on prednisone. i fear surgery will only be the thing which heals me and allows me to return to my old life

>>13390006
>how to heal naturally
Shut up you stupid fucking herbal hippie moron

>>13390006
How did you fix it?

> t. Man with IBS for 10+ years

>>13388858
Doc diagnosed me with both, and I havent done much to deal with it aside from avoiding super spicy food. What are the chances of a misdiagnosis? Do you guys have any sample diets like>>13388954 I could try? Staying away from all this stuff sounds pretty hard on the wallet.

>>13390202
With both?!?! Is that really a thing? Did you get scoped up the butt?

>>13390006
>I pray...
Literally dropped for christs sake!

>>13388858
My first scope is at the end of this month. My GI thinks it's Crohn's by the symptoms. Honestly, with how bad my shits have been the past year, I'm actually looking forward to the fucking glycol cleanse.
Fucking hell, though. Eating is one of my few pleasures left in life. I've got nothing wrong with a diet that restricts the amount of food, but I hate the thought of a diet that restricts the types of food. Try new dishes is one of my favourite hobbies, especially while travelling.

>>13390416
Yeah scope up the butt and biopsy

>>13390416
I should mention that I dont have any of this
>shit leaking into my ballsack
Stuff going on, so I'm suspicious of the diagnosis.

>>13388954
>Try PKD.
Guy with Crohn's in additon to Polycystic Kidney Disease (PKD) here. This fad diet REALLY needs a better acronym.
>>13390551
>shit leaking into my ballsack
What? That's not a fucking inflammatory bowel symptom...

>>13390603
If abdominal matter is entering the ball sack it's clearly a hernia and requires emergency surgery to repair.

I was talking about this guy>>13388900
>>13390603
>>13390629

>>13390653
Yeah, abscesses leading to bowel perforation are an extremely uncommon symptom compared to just rectal bleeding and diarrhea/fecal incontinence. He's probably really fucking unlucky, or might have had a botched scope once.
Chances of misdiagnosis after a scope AND biopsy are very low. If you're considered, you can ask your GI to go over the stills from your scope, and they should be more than happy to educate you further on your disease and its progress. They will have some images of the most relevant areas, and there will be visible ulcers, inflammation, and possible bleeding that they would have tried to cauterize. Getting to know more about the disease can be helpful with dealing with both the physical and emotional side of it.

>>13389337
>its all in your head
>>13388954
>Lots of people with crohns and UC say it’s cured them.
I know you people probably mean well, but I really hate this delusional broscience. One thing I'll credit you with is that yes, the mainstream pharmaceutical and surgical treatments can be really fucked up and surprisingly not very effective in terms of consistently or completely putting out the IBD fire. But taking it too far in the opposite direction and going full Steve Jobs where you completely forgo any medical advice and try to use diet and positive thinking to make a very real and thoroughly studied disease disappear is a seriously bad idea. There are probably people here who will try what you're recommending and I hope you're aware this can be a dangerous path you're taking them down.

>>13390679
So basically its incredibly likely that I do have both, so I can just eat shit and die, on top of my other problems, despite being healthy more or less 3 years ago? Fuck me.

>>13390687
i'm unironically impressed how people like you can put out such outlandish autistic drivel when responding to posts telling someone to try something. its either 0 or 100 for a deranged lunatic

>>13390603
>That's not a fucking inflammatory bowel symptom...
Fistula are very common with Crohns especially (you have about a 33% risk for it with Crohns). They're less common with UC but still happen there too.
>>13390679
>botched scope
No. It's not the result of someone doing something wrong with surgery most of the time. It's part of the disease.
>bowel perforation
It's usually perianal. Tunnels form from the anus to other parts around the anus. They start out as abscesses sometimes where there's an infected sore that then leaves behind a new opening after the pus drains. There are some treatments you can get to try to patch up fistula but once you start getting them they tend to keep coming back regardless of what you try. Antibiotics have some unknown ability to help close them up a bit somehow (usually cipro or flagyl is what you'd try for that).

>>13390699
Yeah, it has a lot of vectors including genetics, diet, infection, etc. and can even be more or less spontaneous. Like I said, talk to your GI, do what you can to learn about the disease, and do your best to cope. As you can tell by this thread, there's a hundred different things you can try like diet, medication, therapy, surgery, and more treatments still on the way. There can also be an emotional reaction to being diagnosed with what's considered to be a lifelong disease, so don't be afraid to talk about it.

>>13390703
If you tell someone with a serious chronic disease to just improve their mental state or use a diet to cure themselves you should definitely get a response saying that's not a medically recommended idea. You're like those people who tell cancer patients to try herbal supplements and meditation. Just stupid and dangerous, preying on those who are the most desperate to believe in it.

>>13390739
>cancer patients to try herbal supplements and meditation
Hey, it worked for Andy Kaufman. He's still alive and kicking.

>>13390747
lol

>>13390739
remind me where in those posts it tells you to disregard and abstain from your doctors advice and only diet or meditate.

>>13390732
Thanks for the advice, fren. Life is just so tiring, it hit me at a pretty vulnerable time too, so that doesnt help.

>>13390763
>remind me where in those posts it tells you to disregard and abstain from your doctors advice
Here:
>Lots of people with crohns and UC say it’s cured them.
GI doctors specifically tell you diet isn't the issue and only use diet if at all for the purpose of reducing discomfort. And they definitely never claim a diet is going to cure you. The closest thing to a cure is proctocolectomy (for UC only) and even then it's not really recognized as a true cure because you will still be listed in your medical records as having UC afterwards and there are extraintestinal manifestations still along with inflammation of the remaining small intestine (even with UC).
>only diet
I don't see why you or whoever wrote it would claim diet cures you if what they really meant is diet doesn't cure you and you should still take medicine.
>or meditate
That was from a comparison to people who say similar things to cancer patients. What was said for IBD in that other post is it's "all in your head," which again is something that suggests you should do that instead of following medical advice given the word "all."
Stop being a dishonest weasel.

>>13390787
Yeah, I was diagnosed the same year my father and grandmother died (for other medical reasons), and they both had Crohn's. As it turns out, emotional stress is also another supposed trigger.

>>13390787
>Life is just so tiring, it hit me at a pretty vulnerable time too, so that doesnt help.
I know that feeling way too well. It's hard enough taking care of work and keeping your apartment or house in good condition, plus taking care of your groceries / supplies and any other obligations or responsibilities you have, even with perfect health. With something like UC or Crohns it's like going from juggling to doing that over the top extreme carnie flamethrower and knife juggling while riding a unicycle.
>>13390801
>As it turns out, emotional stress is also another supposed trigger.
The worst is when you start thinking about that all the time and stress yourself out over the thought you're giving yourself even more bowel inflammation by stressing yourself out.

>>13390801
>>13390845
So what do you say fellows? From what I gather we need to avoid foods high in pretty much anything like fats, fiber, spice, as well as alchohol and any diuretic stuff like coffee.

>>13388858
Go whole food vegan. I haven't had stomach problems since I started 6 years ago. Don't eat shit. Eat healthy food, low or no oil. Don't drink alcohol.

>>13390931
Aside from the coffee comment. This is literally the worst advice possible for someone who suffers from UC or Crohn’s. You wanna be on a low residue diet. Which is 100% incompatible with veganism.

Furthermore if you actually look around for a moment online you’ll find one community full of people suffering from autoimmune diseases talking about how the diet helped them. It’s not vegan. It’s carnivore.

>>13390799
Sure looks like a lot of excuses to not change your eating habits!
>LOL mate just cut out my colon I don’t wanna stop eating pop tarts
You’re fucking retarded. You even said that your doctors said diet can ease symptoms, so what’s the harm in trying?
Why would you resort to an extremely invasive and permanent surgery prior to exhausting all possible remidies that don’t cause permanent damage to your body?

Fuck it; I shouldn’t even bother. You’re already lost. Good luck under the knife bro.

>>13390799
Here’s a peer reviewed paper since you don’t seem to believe me about PKD.

https://www.paleomedicina.com/en/crohns-disease-successfully-treated-with-the-paleolithic-ketogenic-diet

>>13391048
It worked in a single case, congrats. It’s almost like it’s an outlier...oh wait.

>>13388858
>>13388900
Get your large intestine removed. Trust me, I did it and I haven't looked back

>>13391144
Oh and look up "J-Pouch." That's what I have and it's worth mentioning because apparently some guy ITT is going with a stoma for the rest of his life which is ridiculous.

Yes, it's possible to have complications with a J-Pouch but it's rare and the doctors only get better and better at it.

>>13391048
>test performed on a single patient
That's fucking hilariously poor science. Also, once again, google PKD and all the results on the first page are for Polycystic Kidney Disease and not this meme diet. Actually, all the results on the first ten pages are for Polycystic Kidney Disease.

>>13391094
yeah, because this:
>>13391144
>>13391157
Is better than trying out a new diet.

do Amerifats even think?

>>13391177
Relax, theres duplicate acronyms all over science and medicine. It's nothing new.

>>13391187
I think the problem is that it's a new acronym which is already used for something that's extremely well known and researched. It'll never supplant PKD, which kind of gimps people's ability to look it up. That's just bad marketing.

>>13391193
>>13391094
Yeah, this clinic treats patient by patient with this diet. The have now treated something like 50,000 patients successfully for all sorts of various different chronic auto immune issues. You can see the other papers here if you want N>1.
https://www.paleomedicina.com/en/?page=tartalom&tipus=cikk

I don't know why they picked that acronym, i guess because they wanted to specify that it was different than the classical (popular) version of the ketogenic diet. Theirs is far more restrictive, and excludes a lot of things that are allowed under classical keto diets. Most of these decisions are based on Paleolithic diet principals. So combining the two you get what you get. :shrug:

Anyway, the theory is that all these autoimmune diseases are caused by intestinal permeability. And thats why a diet that non inflammatory allows the permeability to heal, which in turns allows the body to begin to heal.

There's a great talk (with sort of terrible audio quality) by the author here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDPM8o9jcFA
Please don't dismiss the video just because of the location which it is being hosted, she is a well respected scientist not some wackjob carnivore blogger.

>>13391231
Nothing wrong with new treatments, seeing as that's basically the entire point of researching the diseases. I think the issue people have is that Crohns and UC are typically recognized as having multiple causes for development and flares, as well as different symptoms and reactions between people with the same disease. It's hard for anyone to believe there's a magic bullet, seeing as some people have had great success with things like fibre supplements where others have their symptoms intensified by the same treatment. Even bowel resectioning is by no means a cure for many people, though some find it helps immensely. My father had his ileum resectioned, but the ulcers reoccurred in his jejunum which eventually developed cancer.
It's to be expected that people with Crohn's or UC, especially long suffering ones, will be sceptical or even defensive when someone suggests a new "cure". Just part and parcel.

Every person I’ve ever met that had Crohn’s or UC had Ashkenazi blood

>>13391592
Shut the FUCK up

>>13391592
100% Croat here, no kikes in my family tree. I've got Crohn's, and you've probably got some kind of psychological disorder. Kikes are a cancer, but I can only dream that they all get ass cancer.

>>13391767
Very defensive post. Just my personal experience. Look up Crohn’s and Ulcerative Colitis statistics btw. It’s clearly an Ashkenazi Jewish admixture (inbred) disease

>>13391831
literally no jews have it tho

>>13388858
Just go carnivore

>>13391940
Most who have it are Ashkenazi Jews. They’re congenital diseases due to Ashkenazi Jewish inbreeding

>>13388954
>Lots of people with crohns and UC say it’s cured them
Kill yourself.

I want to die. I really cannot stand this anymore. Pain is constant and I no longer feel joy. Living with this is a chore. This is not worth it. I just want it all to end.

>>13392510
6 months of IBS here , I just want to die every fucking die.

>>13392510
>>13392526
Please don't give up hope, anons. Stressing out over it will only make it worse. I was in the same position as you when none of my medications worked. I was severely underweight and had constant pain with no desire to eat, and I decided to go for the final option: surgery. I feel much better than I've felt before. Of course, I have a temporary ileostomy, but I can manage. Do consider talking about surgery with your doctor to get rid of the areas with troublesome inflammation. That is, if you run out of other options.

t. anon with 10 years of Crohn's

In my 3 year flare up I have developed one major fistula and one major absess. the abscess was extrememly painful and developed over 2 days from a tiny bump on my butt to a huge 2"diameter pocket under the skin that required a 1/4" hole in my skin to drain. It was awful
The fistual that developed earlier this year required the skin to be deroofed leaving me with a large skin depressed on my other buttcheek and a deep channel scar used to drain the pus. It was terrible

>>13391592
>>13391831
>>13392039
kek and based

>>13392661
This is horrific. I’m so sorry anon!

>>13392942
thanks anon. in both cases the fistula and abscess came from nowhere. On Sunday I was feeling normal. By Tuesday night I was in extreme pain and I couldnt sit down or sleep or lay on one side. I shouldve gone to the ER but my colorectal dr said he would be able to see me so I dealt with the pain

>>13392969
That’s disgusting

>>13388954
Ketofags always trying to insert themselves into everything

>>13392661
Nauseating

>>13393345
No joke, but the doctor that came up with that diet tried traditional keto at first. It doesn’t work. Only the hyper restricted version works.

>>13393454
It doesn't "work". Your diet has zero to do with it and to claim it does anyway is disrespectful to everyone who has IBD, RA, PS etc...

>>13393499
>diet has nothing to do with autoimmune issues

Imagine being this retarded.

>>13393522
Now, you're shifting to "issues" when previously you claim a diet will "cure" IBD. You can exacerbate symptoms during a flare, but what you eat will not cause a flare. Smoking and stress can. We would not use these medications if diet caused flares. You do not have secret knowledge. You're ignorant and disrespectul.

>>13393550
You are just plain wrong.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/306373055_Crohn's_disease_successfully_treated_with_the_paleolithic_ketogenic_diet

>>13393569
Cherrypicking is not how we reach conclusions on anything. We consider the body of evidence. The study you've linked is very pathetic as well.

>>13393607
>one person was cured with diet in a well documented and peer reviewed paper. Clearly this proves nobody else can be cured with diet and nobody should even try.

>>13393607
>We consider the body of evidence
Ok. Show me the papers that prove PKD doesn’t work. Show me this body of evidence you have studied and are so knowledgeable about.

>>13388954
i love this

>>13393617
Nobody was cured, and n = 1 is laughable. You are naive and do not understand how proper scientific research is conducted.
>>13393626
You're appealing to ignorance. You cannot disprove something which is unproven.

>>13388954
just imagine being this dumb....

>>13393669
You are so stuck in your ways that you didn’t even read the paper. I give up on you. It’s like talking to a barn door.

>some schizo moron ruins the thread with his fad diet stupidity
>>13393737
It is one patient and required 10 months to go into remission and and has retained for only 5 months. you're demanding people to disprove something which is not proven. you're a gigantic moron. nobody wants your help. you're unironically mentally ill.

>>13393737
I did read it as I read it when it was released. It is a very poor study.

>>13393743
The irony of you posting a photo of someone eating a bowl of highly processed grains while taking the position that diet plays no role.

Top kek

So now the keto haters are rallying against elimination diets for GI track related illnesses?
What the fuck is wrong with those people, is there any harm too great for them?

>>13388858
Tbh bros try this shake: 2 scoop organic bone broth some N-Acetyl L-Cystein and Water. Down it with some High quality fish oil and 3700ui d vit. It has helped me.
Anyone tried hgh or igf for their crohns?

>>13393757
it's not ironic at all. he isn't claiming that it plays a role. enriched pasta is also considered a good choice to reduce symptoms during a flare, so you sound dumb either way

>>13393769
You’re fucking retarded and don’t know what you are talking about.
Enriched pasta is high fiber. Standard outpatient advice for crohn’s is low residue/low fiber.

Why would you eat something that would irritate your intestines during a flare up??

>>13393569
>sample size of 1
>required 10 months before even reaching remission
>only watched for 5 months after
>SEE IT CURES IBD!!! YOU CAN'T PROVE ME WRONG RETARDS!!
lol 75 IQ
>>13393796
>enriched pasta is high fiber
lmao you're a shitty troll or an actual retard

>>13393804
10% of a normal persons fiber RDA per serving is not fucking low fiber you absolute moron.

https://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/cereal-grains-and-pasta/5798/2

>>13389138
Weed is what causes this in the first place.

>>13391592
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>>13392039
Holy shit it’s true