/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>13242658
>why not add milk and sugar at least?
You'll understand when you'll be older than 10.

If you add milk and sugar it just tastes like tarnished milk and sugar. Make a black coffee that tastes good and enjoy the taste of coffee.

Do you genuinely believe people are incapable of having different preferences than yours?

>>13242662
why not make it palatable with milk and sugar?

why wouldnt you -improve- a drink?

its so confusing

>>13242683
>why not make it palatable with milk and sugar?
Because it tastes good without them and because sugar and milk just ruin the taste.

Akari Nakadashi Daisuke !!!
AKARIN~NN

>>13242683
i like the bitter burnt water taste. The bitterness more than the burnt. I used to add milk, but stopped. I have never added sugar. Sweet coffee taste horrible to me.

I like espresso, but any other kind of black coffee is disgusting to me. I can't even drink a long black or an americano.

>>13242675
Blacked coffeefags do, that's why they flaunt their fragile masculinity by pretending to like an objectively bad beverage.

>>13242833
In really intrigued to find out a person can be as wrong as you are. tell me, how does it feel?

Coffee tastes fine with or without milk, and you can't expect a wagie to buy high quality beans, grind, carefully steep etc. for his daily driver cup. nbd
I can't really understand adding sugar, though. It doesn't mesh with the flavor of coffee at all and ends up tasting somewhere between glass cleaner and cough syrup.

>>13242833
That's exactly what you are doing right now, tho. You can't fathom that someone likes a thing you dislike so you're telling yourself that they don't actually like it.

>>13242886
>everything is subjective
The buck stops here.

>>13242658
I add about a teaspoon of sugar, not for sweetness but because it balances out the bitterness to a enjoyable level. If I added milk or more sugar the taste of the drink would completely change. I really would like to get to the point where I can enjoy straight coffee though because it feels like I'm missing something, maybe my coffee is shit or maybe the people that drink it straight are just being utilitarian and don't actually care about the drink in a leisurely way .

>>13242658
>>13242974
Coffee isn't supposed to be "bitter". Maybe you just bought a shitty brand and that's why it comes off as bitter to you and why you have trouble drinking coffee black/without sugar.

>>13242658
People like different things. Personally I like coffee with cream and a pinch of salt.

>>13242978
The "bitterness" is mostly unavoidable, and is a sign of having overripe/rotten beans mixed in.
No supplier in the world bothers removing them, and instead tries to mask by normalizing the product with more good beans.

>>13242658
It tastes fruity and rich to me.

For some reason I can only go poo poo when my coffee is black. When I add milk or creamer I can’t go poopy

>>13242658
this is an infantile thread

also, I have heard some say that Americans in particular like black coffee. I think it makes sense for the classic "frontiersmen" as you wouldn't likely have milk, and sugar was just more weight. I hear the cowboy style still remains in more rural areas. There's plenty of urban and suburban americans hooked on sugary drinks at starbucks though, so I don't think it's a universal thing, maybe just more common than other places. Curious if anybody else has similar experience. I just point it out as I usually order it black, and sometimes in travels people have told me that this is a very American way to drink coffee. If enjoying the smooth, pure taste of well-roasted beans is American, then goddamn, I'll live it proudly.

Coffee is just poison

>>13243261
Try sticking a finger up there to entice all the poop to leave the cave.

>>13243318
this

coffee is for soybois

>>13242658
What people fail to understand for some reason is that making coffee is literally just like cooking anything else - if you burn it, it will taste burnt.

If you want to drink coffee straight black, then you should be making sure it is not overcooked. Use light roast beans and either cold brew or coarse grind in a french press for a couple minutes at max will get you a delicious cup without the bitterness and burnt taste that people normally associate with coffee, and you won't feel the same need to add cream or sugar.

Medium to dark roasts and espresso have their place, but that is with cream and sugar for a reason - it takes the edge off the bitterness and burnt flavors and provides a nice balance to the cream and sugar.

From what I have seen most people drink poorly prepared coffee black because they are caffeine plebs that drink so much coffee that they are afraid adding cream and sugar to ever cup will make them fat, and all they care about is getting the caffeine fix even if it means drinking disgusting shit.

People love beer too and it's not sweet (yes there are exceptions but that's not the point). When they say acquired taste you really do acquire it over time. I think it only works for people with less sensitive bitter receptors, or idk maybe they become less active the more you drink.

>>13242658
How do you even burn water? Now I'm curious anon.

It's the coffe taste. If you don't like it, why add anything to make it bearable? Why not just get something else with caffeine? I don't get it.

tea master race

>>13242658
>burnt water
air?

>>13243311
The thing with America is that it's so big and varied it's hard to say if something applies to the whole country.
Generally black coffee is just treated as a preference, like if you're at Waffle House in the morning and everyone gets some. I've noticed that among young people, a lot rarely drink coffee at home or at restaurants, and instead consume a huge amount of iced coffee and blended drinks from Starbucks and similar chains, sometimes multiple times per day (if you're at a college or big city there's one on every corner).
It's one boomer criticism that I think is completely fair, that shit's insanely expensive.

No idea how Euros do it. I know sweet espresso is popular in some places, people rarely do that here- it's usually completely black, or all the way with heavy sugar/cream.

>>13243442
A good dark roast is a hearty and earthy bitterness, not burnt-tasting or acidic. Absolutely doesn't need cream/sugar unless you're drinking bottom of the barrel stuff.
And if people were caffeine fiends they'd stick with light roasts, literally everyone knows that trick.

>>13243996
I wish tea had more caffeine, a nice hot Earl Grey in the mornings is choice but it just doesn't get me going the way a cuppa does.

Because I’m addicted to the caffeine

>>13242658
>burnt water
how the fuck do you know the taste of burnt water? What's your secret? I can only get it to boiling.

>>13244136
>more caffeine
Use more tea.

>>13242658
>negligible calories
>nice roasted taste
>makes you energetic
This is why. Whitened coffee has many calories, loses most of it's more subtle roasted notes, and kinda bogs you down.

>>13242833
>no u!!
I can hear the tears running down your obese manchild face. Cope harder, sugar-addicted faggot.

>>13242978
>>13243002
This.

>>13243318
>>13243323
Why do you make shit up, retards?

>>13242833
Yet this thread was started by a crying faggot like you triggered by people who don't need to drench their coffee in sugar, the same thread you retards keep making everyday.

>>13242683
Because black coffee is palatable to us hence why we drink it that way and not with sugar, redditspacing-using sperg.

Put a pinch of some salt in like your grandpapap.

>>13242658
Coffee is literal poison trying to make it more tasty is a manifestation of deep mental illness.

>>13244114
Due to Levantine influences, a lot of people like their coffee "black as night, sweet as sin". This is because, in Turkey and many Arabic countries, people who drink coffee with milk are considered mildly retarded.
I personally add milk to very heavy roasts (like French or Italian), since there's not a lot of the distinctive varietal's aroma left by that point.
If the roast is medium (ex. American, City) I add cardamom instead.
Anybody who adds milk to white (or, worse, green) coffee is an idiot of the highest caliber.

>>13244479
See pic related in >>13244420, you housewive science retard.

>>13244496
Lol deep rooted mental illness my friend. Your link doesn't show anything lol

>>13244436
I havent seen a single mention of using cream to cool it down. I dont have time to wait, and im not scorching my buds because just because I like black coffee.

>>13244509
https://www.coffeeandhealth.org/topic-overview/all-cause-mortality/
You can find the references there
>m-muh mental illness
Let me know when you can back up your claim with actual research, you momscience moron.

>>13244555
Ooh also trips.

>>13244555
Cool water does the same job.

>>13244555
You don't have time to wait 10 minutes?

>>13244555
You ever heard of ice?

>>13244571
There's no such thing as actual research you religious freak lol

>>13242658
>whats the appeal of black coffee?
It tastes like coffee.

>>13242683
>why not make it palatable with milk and sugar?
ugh. white "people" were a mistake

>>13244693
Rent free

>>13244698
>amerimutts
>white

>>13244665
>s-studies BAD, take my housewife meeting opinion seriously instead

>>13244730
I know things from real world observation and experience. You believe things fed to you by cashed up interest groups.

>>13242658
It shouldn't taste burnt that's either the fault of the roaster or brewer.

I used to drink my coffee double double, then I started uni and realized how expensive dairy is in this country with supply management. So I just forced myself off cream and sugar. Took a month to be used to it, now I absolutely love it, it's worth it. You can taste more of the coffee you don't notice otherwise.

>>13242658

I think for most people it's an acquired taste. I've always enjoyed it as long as it's a decent roast. The bitterness is part of the appeal for some reason hard to describe.

I'm fairly lazy so the idea of just pouring on the go is a bonus.

>>13244734
>I know things from real world observation and experience
100% of people that breathe or drink water die.
Air and water are literal poison trying to make it more tasty is a manifestation of deep mental illness.

>>13242658
try some creamy espresso with golden brown crema instead of mug of black water

>>13244769
You literally destroyed your own point lol

>>13245432
>implying I'm him
lmao

>>13242974
Bitterness is (I think) due to acidity. Sugar would not affect acidity in any meaningful way. Cream (fat) however is very basic and would reduce the "bitterness".

>>13242658
black coffee is for real men and the cute chick behind the counter visibly soaks her panties when you ask for one at the coffee shop

I mean it depends, I'm Indian and in India the coffee is roasted with chickory and it is made very strong and slightly diluted with hot milk and sugar and then it is poured from a high distance to make it cooler and it tastes great, but if you have some high quality coffee beans you will taste more than just bitter

>>13242720
I can just imagine what you look like.....

>>13242658
I drink coffee when it's black and I'll drink coffee with milk and sugar in it. I like the taste of both and it all depends on what I'm in the mood for.
I won't drink that coffee where the beans were shat out of a monkey's ass though.

>>13242658
i thought the same until I was gifted a coffee maker with a built in grinder.
I use medium-dark roast colombian beans, freshly brewed and it tastes great.
You can really discern the different flavors.
Granted you cant use tap water, I just use distilled water, since its what I only drink.

>>13242658
because how else am I going to feel like I did something badass?

It's the exact same reason soywhites drink heptuple-hopped IPAs. Nobody actually likes the taste, they just like the feeling of doing something "tough" in this coddled gynocentric europoid dysgenic dystopia

>>13246225
Imagine being so asshurt about having the palate of a faggot that you need to rant about nuh toxic masculinity like some kind of tumblrina. The funniest thing is how you tried to save face by mixing in a far-right talking point to look like less of a fag.
Just go drink your oreo milkshake and take selfies with the girls.

I add a splash of real cream, s'good

>>13242658
I'll only drink black coffee, if its iced coffee.
But I can't stand black coffee either.

>>13242846
Was just baiting , do you really think anyone has that strong of a position on bean juice

Here's my list of the most obnoxious spam threads
1.fast food
2.webm
3.bongshit full diarreha breakfast
4."I don't understand how this popular food is popular" i.e this thread
5.white people can't spicy food
6.bon apetit coomers general
Discuss

>>13248157
Yes. Polite sage.

>>13245432
based retard

>>13248157
Cast iron doesn't even make the list?

>>13242658
Heh. You are a weak person. Nothing wrong with that. Just leave black coffee to the real men. Go drink your green tea, soiboi.

>>13244420
>SEETHING soyboy clinging onto black coffee for his life in a last ditch effort to seem manly

>>13248789
Ever since I first tasted black coffee, I enjoyed it. But now that I've discovered that faggots with masculinity issues see me as manly and resent me for it for drinking it, I enjoy it even more.

>>13248789
You talk about wanting to seem manly yet you use the soyboy meme aka a meme about being scared of soy making you a woman. Irony is lost on you.
Coffee increases testosterone in men btw, you subhuman.

>>13242658
i used to hate it too until i had to get up at 5am for school my senior year during the winter then i was way too tired and lazy to put anything in my coffee but still wanted it cause it was cold as fuck so i just drank it black and thats what ive done ever since.

>>13242974
i dont know why but it doesn't taste bitter to me when its hot but black iced coffee tastes extremely bitter and i need to add sweetness to it.

>>13243798
i drink my coffee black but i dont like the taste of anything alcoholic unless its covered up by something else. including beer

Coffee has tannins and oxalates which impair your ability to absorb fat and protein. As a stimulant it will increase your heart rate and reduce your lifespan, which is what happens when your organs (e.g. heart, lungs) are made to work harder. It will stress you and age you. Even in small amounts taken in the morning, caffeine will impair sleep. Assess to decide whether the risk is worth the reward.

>>13250867
I'm aware of all those benefits, but what are the risks?

>>13242683
if a coffee doesn't taste good black, it isn't good enough

>>13250881
My dreams are more powerful and therapeutic after withdrawing, and I'm still on 1 shot of espresso a day. I didn't expect that.

I like black coffee from time to time but most days I put half 'n half in mine. I don't use sweeteners in coffee or tea. If I only have milk, I drink the coffee black. For me it has to be half 'n half or I'll drink coffee black.

>>13242833
>fragile masculitiy

Go home reddit.

(pic related (((you)))

>>13244114
I could order a whole fucking meal with endless coffee from waffle house for the same price i could get a large fagola with extra DHT and estrogen from starbucks.

>>13244217
Tea doesn't have more caffeine you fucking trog.

>>13244136
Strongly brewed black tea works just as well for me. Or a few cups of regularly brewed black tea as it has around half the caffein of strongly brewed coffee.

>>13250867
Coffee drinkers live longer than non-coffee drinkers according to more studies ,retard. Also heavy coffee drinkers are thinner on average.
Also, see
>>13244420
Why do you make shit up?

>>13251160
>more
most*

>>13250867
Coffee has antioxidants which help aging as well. Why are anti-coffee retards so misinformed?

>>13242658
>why not add milk and sugar at least?
But I do?
Just a little bit though

>>13250867
https://www.coffeeandhealth.org/topic-overview/coffee-consumption-and-coronary-heart-disease-risk/
Are you gonna post sources to back up your claims?

>>13251160
>>13251185
>>13251257

Use your brain to think about this stuff, and keep the correlation = causation fallacy in mind. Coffee drinkers probably have better incomes (and other indicators of life success) than daily pot smokers, but you could imagine why that is. See what I'm getting at there?

Its important not just to look at studies but think about what the substance actually does to your body. Think about what stronger stimulants do - the same thing, stress and age you, make your heart work harder etc.

>>13251185
>Coffee has antioxidants which help aging as well.

The subject is very complicated (same with gut flora), nobody understands it well. Antioxidants make up part of a plants defences iirc. Whenever you ingest a plant substance you are always getting things which benefit you and things which harm you.

>>13251257
>Are you gonna post sources to back up your claims?

Sources for what? Everything I wrote is pretty clear and obvious.

Caffeine is one of the plants defence mechanisms. When the ants running over the plant consume it they go psychotic. Something to think about. Lowering your intake would help with cumbrain withdrawal too. Have you ever heard about the disgusting shit people do on the hardcore stimulants? Its fascinating and scary.

>>13242658
I dont like coffee

>>13242658
When you drink a pot and a half a day you cant be putting milk and sugar in. Black is fine once you drink it for a week.

>>13248157
How can you forget /int/ faggotry
>do americans

>>13248157
You forgot all the shitty alcohol threads

>>13251771
>literally not a single source or study backing your claims up
Yeah, talking out of your ass like a gullible housewife. And no, claiming they are "obvious" isn't a good cop out for your unbacked claims.
Also
>pretending coffee is a drink consumed by rich people
Are you actually retarded? Coffee is consumed by people from all walks of life.

>Think about what stronger stimulants do - the same thing, stress and age you, make your heart work harder etc.
Coffee has been associated with a lower risk of heart disease though.

>>13242658
It tastes good to me. Like coffee. Try buying some nice single-origin medium roast coffee beans and grind them fresh yourself. Makes a world of difference between that and something like Folgers or Maxwell House.

>>13251794
Luckily enough, I'm not an ant.

Here's how it went for me: coffee ice cream -> coffee with milk and sugar -> coffee with sugar -> coffee

>>13242658
I just add hot cocoa powder lol

>>13245858
this guy gets it

i like my coffee black just like my metal

>>13253335
Its obvious to me because I can think critically. I don't just blindly believe whatever scholarly articles say.

>>13255178
>Luckily enough, I'm not an ant.

It's an insightful point though, its just incidental that caffeine as an adenosine antagonist appears to be generally beneficial to humans and not a poison.

>>13255525
>making claims and not backing them up is thinking critically
Let me guess, the studies that don't fit your narrative must be paid for by big coffee, right?

This thread is legitimately hilarious. Just people insulting each other over how they like their coffee. It's beautiful.

>>13255665
>muh fencesitting vague third party post
Grow a pair faggot

>>13245432
I can tell where ur from "anon"

>>13242683

Why would I add unnecessary ingredients to a beverage I already enjoy?

I don't need more sugar in my diet.
I'm an American. It's stuffed down my gullet
in every way possible already.

>>13256313
Anon... Havent heard that name in years . .....

>>13244614
I throw some icicles in.

>>13248157
>5.white people can't spicy food
Factually wrong.

>>13242658
none whatsoever. It's just retarded posers drinking this disgusting filth.

>>13258601
You're a child-palated subhuman whod's angry at people who grew up. The idea that every one who drinks a beverage is posing is such absurd bullshit that you don't even believe it yourself, pathetic manchild.

>>13258601
This is the same thing children say of vegetables. Really makes you think...

>>13242658
>whats the appeal of black coffee? it literally just tastes like burnt water
Only if you're using shit quality coffee, and if you don't have the tastebuds of an obese Amerifat

>>13258709
This. This board is fattie central which is why we have this same shit thread everyday.

>>13244455
>>13242980
Black coffee with salt is pretty good when you can't have sugar or cream in your coffee.

>>13242658
>whats the appeal of black coffee?
It's good? If you're a pansy regarding black coffee, how about you try a dark roast monsooned malabar some time?

>>13242658
It’s actually pretty good if you don’t get it from starbucks

i used to put in creamer everytime, when i was out i tried it black, and you know what they say. once you go black you never go back

>>13259749
Once you black, your photoshop skills turn to shit.

>>13242658

>>13242658
i've resigned to the fact that i probably will never like black coffee and I only drink it for the caffeine

>>13242833
(8^{O}
(8^{[______)}

good black coffee doesn't need milk or sugar.

>>13255540
Pls point out specifically what you have an issue with. If you want to talk about this stuff.

>>13261958
Your lack of sources for every single claim.

>>13263032
so what? this is 4channel, not your failed clown college application

>>13242662
You don't add salt to your food either?

>>13242658
usually its made to be served alone
or its high quality
Adding sugar and milk ruins it.
But if your visiting somewhere and dont know the coffee they serve its safe to add.

>>13251771
Cringe and bluepilled

>>13242658
people who don't like black coffee have never worked a day in their life.

there is nothing greater than standing around a truck at 0500 in freezing temps with your buddies drinking black shitwater out of a thermos before starting the work day.

>>13263123
If you call it "shitwater" and only drink it for the caffeine then you don't like it either. True black coffee appreciators drink it when having nothing to do.

I'm lactose intolerant and sugar gives me the shits, so I learned to like it black.

>>13263036
So this is how you cope when called out on making shit up.

>>13242683
Milk and especially sugar is bad for you. Regardless of how you feel about the taste of coffee, black coffee is quite good for you so think of it as medicine and a small boost of energy.

>>13258709
Black coffee is an american thing, yuroplumps need their sweety sugar and silky milky.

>>13242658
The American diet ruins the ability to taste flavors like black coffee. That being said most restaurants serve cheap, shit coffee that is not meant to be drank black.

Only high quality french and italian roasts should be consumed black. Do not fucking drink FOLGERS, black.

But do not even bother trying to drink black coffee and enjoy the flavor if you eat Taco Bell, McDonalds or any fast food frequently, and also drink Soda. Or if you just drink soda but never eat fast food. Yeah your taste buds are being purposefully destroyed by those companies so you cannot enjoy anything else. Moron.

>>13243311
In America. A lot of the time coffee preference is passed down like a lot of other things, unless you talk to the worst of our generation (who do the opposite of their parents because they never got out of their "rebellious" phase). I drink coffee black like my father, my sister drinks it with some sugar and creamer like my mother.

>>13263956
You just sound like a sensitive little baby bitch

>>13263956
You sound like a pretentious fag.

I take a small amount of coffee and add a few tablespoons heavy whipping cream and NO sugar (don't need it with real cream) delicious

>>13242833
I bet you don't drink your whiskey neat either

>>13242728
Coffee neither tastes burnt nor bitter. If you buy shitty 2$ preground sludge and boil it to fuck, then don't bother posting in /coffee/ threads.

>>13242658
i need that mojo so bad i ain't got time for cream and sugar.
WAKE ME UP INSIDE!

>>13264031
black coffee with whiskey is goat

>>13251076
youre dumb as fuck

>>13263032
BRO you can find sources for anything I've written very easily. Start taking yourself seriously. Why are you asking ME for sources? Can't you think critically? Why do you need a source for every little thing anyway? Do you think I was lying when I wrote coffee has tannins and oxalates?

Come on, be serious. Be intellectually aware.

>>13263956
This guy knows what he's on about. Check out what zinc deficiency does to your tastebuds.

>>13267164
>still no fucking source
Yeah, no. "L-look it up yourself" is a cop out since you can claim basically anything given you wash your hands and place the burden of proof on your interlocutor. Again, post a source claiming that coffee reduces your lifespan, or is bad for your heart or ages you if you expect to be taken seriously.

>>13267164
Imagine being this dumb.

Pretend I care edition: Almond milk, ice, stevia

I'm dead inside edition: More water and ice until I can slam it

I've been dead for thousands of years edition:: Caffeine pills

>>13252050
There's only a single thread that's not even up all the time, how can you be so butthurt about nothing?
Are you a vegan or some shit? Because you sure sound like a faggot.

>>13255187
> hot cocoa powder
Huh? Do you pre-heat the powder or something you mongoloid?

>>13242683
Drinking coffee you wouldnt drink black is like cooking with wine you wouldnt drink otherwise
Congratulations on knowing what good taste is, shame all it did was make you insecure about your shit taste

>>13243311

My grandmother would have her Folgers coffee instant type 2 black with the exact breakfast she made every morning; grits with butter, 1 piece of toast, 1 egg, 1 piece of bacon. She lived to be 93.

You answered your own question, it's literally depression: the drink

I'm too poor to afford sugar or milk

>>13269248
>93 years of grits
Grim

>>13269251
Not really. If anything coffee has been associated with benefitial effects on depression. Once again an anti-coffee retard being clueless, a classic.

>>13248157

>>13269503

lol yeah, greatest generation were kids during the depression, they pretty much bleed grim

>>13263567
so y b. Oy creeenge

>>13269809
>sugar-addicted fatso calling anyone a soyboy
Way to deprive the meme of its whole meaning. Also, soy isn't filtered here, redditor faggot tourist.

>>13269821
Didn't read stay btfo

>>13269895
fat cope

>>13269897
Seethe btfo cope cringe

>>13269983
fuming cuckdditor

>>13270002
Stay btfo

>>13242658
It has to be good coffe, try it with something chocolate like a brownie and maybe you will understand it then

>Stay btfo

When I wake up in the morning I need something piping hot and bitter to remind me that life is an endless cycle of toil and concomitant exhaustion.

>>13242833
>>13246225
>>13242658
>>13258601
*tips 85% post-college unemployment rate*

Premium coffee with a splash of milk and some sugar is fucking heaven in a cup.

>>13269195
You retard. Just mix the powder with the coffee.