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Why do Japs like this stuff so much? It's so bland and lifeless, even adding butter and salt doesn't really help.

>> No.12945543

>>12945504
>Why do Japs like this stuff so much?
Because your mother is a whore

>> No.12945573

It's just carb idiot. You are not meant to eat it on its own

>> No.12945594
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I worked for a Japanese bank once on a temporary contract. They had a pretty good staff canteen that had a mix of Japanese and western food. Stuff I had never seen before like ‘ice noodles’ which was basically the usual noodle bowl thing they do but with ice cubes added. Quite interesting.

Anyway, my second or so day there, I decide to try the Japanese section and get a bunch of stuff on a tray I can’t remember but that included a bowl of rice. I go back to the table, sitting with some of the other guys including a couple of Japanese in the team. Really looking forward to it all. On the table there’s all kinds of condiments like soy, vinegar and what have you. So, I set myself up, looking forward to using my chopsticks properly and secretly hoping this will impress them. And I grab the soy and start adding it to the rice...

And the whole table goes dead quiet. The stern looking Japanese guy at the next table gives me the dirtiest, most withering look. So, I’m like oh shit mid pouring, holding the bottle looking around. And one of the other western guys at the table says to me “it’s very rude in Japan to pour anything on to the rice, you just leave it as is or it’s basically an insult”. So, of course, being British, I fall all over myself apologising and headed back for another bowl taking the tainted, poisoned one back to the counter with endless grovelling nods of my head as the woman behind it gives me another. Return to the table with my Contrition Bowl and all the Japanese then side-eye me one more time before returning to their lunches. Now, if I ever want to put soy or chilli on my rice, I make sure there are no Japanese in the vicinity.

So yeah, they take their rice pretty seriously, that’s for sure.

>> No.12945615

>>12945594
japs are hardcore nazis, nothing you do is going to please them anyway

>> No.12945621

>>12945594
it's a pasta about rice! Carbs on carbs!

>> No.12945636

>>12945594
That sounded tough. What's the utility of the condiments if you can't use them? You should have interpreted their looks as approval and added more while palming your stomach in a circle and nodding MMMMMM ME THINK TASTY in their jap faces.

>> No.12945641

>>12945504
You seriously didn't think to add soy sauce?
I can't even imagine eating rice without soy sauce. That's exactly what soy sauce is for.

>> No.12945650

>>12945504
It's a cheap staple, just like potatoes or bread in the west, or cassava in africa.

>It's so bland and lifeless
Stop buying shitty rice.
No, really. Get some good rice and it's fucking delicious even without condiments. I had one of my biggest cooking epiphanies ever the the first time I smelled a bag of Carolina Gold.

>>12945636
I would assume the condiments were intended for other things, just not the rice. Reminds me of the time a dude I worked with went to a sushi place for the first time. He thought the pickled ginger was a side dish, not a palate cleanser, and took a big 'ol mouthful of it. Manly lulz were had.

>> No.12945651

>>12945641
Japs consider that to be heresy and have no idea why westerners associate soy sauce with rice.
Closest thing they have is tamago kake gohan but this is considered a low-grade comfort food

>> No.12945661

>>12945594

I hate cuck customs countries like this. What's the deal with them saying they want to go to a movie with you and then if you bring it up they look at you like you are crazy and you were supposed to know they never meant it.

>> No.12945669
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>>12945636
Yeah, I honestly to this day don’t know what the correct form is for using their condiments. I go to a Japanese restaurant in soho sometimes. I don’t know what you call it but it’s supposed to be some ‘fast food ramen’ variation of theirs. So you queue up, choose what you want from a photo menu, pay, then they bring it to you. So all noodles, Korean chicken (delicious), fried gyoza and so on. I usually tuck myself away in the corner at the bar round the counter so I can surreptitiously add soy to my rice after I eat the chicken but I’m pretty careful they don’t see me. Those death stares were enough to last me a lifetime. Anyway, from what I can make out watching them, the vinegar is used in tiny splashes to I think break up the rice - but definitely no more than that. Soy they never seem to directly add to anything - it’s usually put in little trays they then dip stuff into. I think I’ve seen them add chilli oil directly into ramen bowls but not sure.

So yeah, it seems to be a thing. I mention this place too as it seems to ba pretty informal dining form for them with a lot just coming in to eat on their own after like work or whatever, but they still all seem to do this. The rice just seems to be a completely condiment no go area. Never once seen any of them add a single thing to it.

>> No.12945671

>>12945661
All countries do shit like that. Here in the US we ask people "how are you today" or "what's up" but we don't actually expect or even want a detailed and accurate reply.

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>>12945671

>> No.12945685

>>12945669
>Soy they never seem to directly add to anything
Its main use is in cooking. It's rarely used as a condiment. Only example I know of is for dipping certain kinds of sushi in.

>> No.12945694

>>12945594
Fuck them, there's nothing better than some things over rice.

>> No.12945699

>>12945651
>Japs... have no idea why westerners associate soy sauce with rice
Probably has something to do with all those Japanese and Chinese people serving rice with soy sauce in their restaurants?

>> No.12945708

>>12945699
American restaurants don't factor into their thought process. Why would they? Most of them are staffed entirely by Vietnamese anyway.

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>>12945685
Why do they put it on the table then? Not questioning you as that makes sense, but then I don’t know why it’s on the table. I’ve had pukka sushi at some famous sushi bar here and the chef at the counter said to me it was fine to take the sushi and very quickly dip the rice side into soy but literally no more than like the tiniest amount. But that ramen bar doesn’t have sushi at all but they’ve still got soy on the tables.

As an aside, by the way, coming back to the sushi bar I mention, the rice for that was unbelievable. Perfectly formed, very, very fresh tasting and just gently falls away in your mouth - I mean, they must really know what they’re doing with it to quite a high standard. It really impressed me. It seems to be real connoisseur stuff when they get going.

>> No.12945716

>>12945594
>“it’s very rude in Japan to pour anything on to the rice, you just leave it as is or it’s basically an insult”.
lol, that's like that stupid story people repeat about some business executive deciding not to do business with someone because while they were out for dinner the other guy added salt before tasting the food.
People should mind their own fucking business. I'll add as much soy sauce and salt as I feel like. I'm the one who has to digest the food, the least other people can do is let me decide what to eat.

>> No.12945720

>>12945716
Individualism is frowned upon in Asia.
The most important thing to know about rice is it is a pain in the ass to farm and harvest. You as an individual are expected to respect this hard work by appreciating the rice as-is and eating every last grain in your bowl.

>> No.12945722

>>12945708
I know for a fact Chinese people have used soy sauce with rice historically. Shouldn't be too surprising since it's a really obvious thing to do. The modern "you shouldn't do that" bullshit is just a stupid rule people made up after the fact, like trying to say ketchup isn't allowed on hot dogs when that's always been one of two fundamental condiments offered at every hot dog stand in the history of civilization.

>> No.12945732

>>12945716
That’s just being rude, though. It’s their culture and their rules. It wasn’t a big deal to me to just go without a bit of soy on my rice anyway.

>> No.12945733

>>12945722
No ketchup on hot dogs is an exclusively Chicagorean affectation and they're really only sticklers for it in tourist traps.

>> No.12945736

>>12945710
I couldn't tell you; I don't claim to be an expert in these matters. I've been to Japan a couple of times, and I've watched a fucktastic amount of Japanese cooking shows, and I'm just repeating what I have seen personally. They use it a lot in cooking (back in the kitchen), and as a dip for sushi but I haven't seen it used in any other way than that.

>the rice side
I think you have that backwards; you don't dip the rice side because the rice falls apart in the soy. You dip the sushi upside down so the topping (normally fish) goes in the soy.

>>12945699
I've eaten at a fuckload of american chinese and american japanese restaruants and I can't think of a single example of them serving rice with soy sauce used as a condiment. Sure, some Chinese places use it when they make fried rice but that's part of the cooking in the kitchen. But I've never seen either intend for you to put soy on rice. Of course, there's often a bottle on the table, and people might choose to put it on their rice, but that's not the intent.

>> No.12945738

>>12945720
>Individualism is frowned upon in Asia.
Yeah, for sure. I taught English in Korea briefly right when I got out of school, and the biggest thing I enjoyed upon getting back was how everyone leaves you alone and lets you do whatever you feel like in the US.
It's seriously difficult to appreciate how nice that is until you spend some time in a country that doesn't have the same valuing of individualism. I love how nobody gives a fuck about you in the US. You show up and do your job and everyone just leaves you alone.

>> No.12945740

>>12945708
>Why would they?
Because that's the explanation that they are so desperately seeking.

>> No.12945742

>>12945736
>I've eaten at a fuckload of american chinese and american japanese restaruants and I can't think of a single example of them serving rice with soy sauce used as a condiment. Sure, some Chinese places use it when they make fried rice but that's part of the cooking in the kitchen. But I've never seen either intend for you to put soy on rice. Of course, there's often a bottle on the table, and people might choose to put it on their rice, but that's not the intent.
They give you little soy sauce packets when you order rice at every Chinese restaurant I've ever been to.

>> No.12945749

>>12945736
> You dip the sushi upside down so the topping

Yes!! You’re 100% right. That’s right. It’s a while back and all I remember is I could use it but only in a very specific way. So yes, sushi side but only a very tiny amount.

And ok, cool on your other points. It’s really interesting. I didn’t know that about how rice is farmed so you have to treat it respectfully and finish all of it. That correlates with all my observations now - at the end of their meals in the ramen restaurant for instance, the last thing they do is finish off the rice. Fascinating.

>> No.12945772

>>12945742
Are you saying that you go to such a restaurant, order only plain rice, and they give you soy packets?

Ive never had packets given to me unless it was takeaway, and I assume the soy is robotically placed into every customer's bag just like the chopsticks and napkins are, and I assume the packets are intended for the main part of your meal rather than the rice.

I very rarely get takeaway, I always eat in. They bring rice, of course, but they sure as hell don't bring soy with it.

>> No.12945791

>>12945742
I think maybe they do it as they know westerners use it like that. It’s likely people ask for it all the time anyway so they just add it in automatically. Might explain why soy is available in the ramen bar place, too. Lot of Japanese but still frequented by westerners as well. Maybe it’s a kind of meme for them “haha come eat at our restaurant, for entertainment you can watch stupid gaijin eat their rice wrong!”. Wouldn’t surprise me.

>> No.12945794

>>12945772
>Are you saying that you go to such a restaurant, order only plain rice, and they give you soy packets?
Frequently, yes. I don't have a large appetite and a lot of Chinese food orders would fuck with my stomach problems, whereas rice tends to be a safer bet at most places for something I can actually digest without trouble.

>> No.12945796

>>12945749
>I could use it but only in a very specific way.

The "rules" kinda make sense if you think about it. Dipping the rice in the soy just makes a mess, and if you put a lot of soy on the fish then you can't really taste the fish because the soy dominates the flavor so much. They're big on "tasting the natural flavor of the ingredient" so this also logically follows.

I personally haven't heard the "treat it respectfully" story (that was another poster) but it makes sense. I suppose it's a little like the "you better clean your plate so you don't waste food" that a lot of westerns are taught as kids. My main point was that rice in Asia is usually a lot tastier than it is in the west because thats a major part of their cuisine. You expect different countries to do different things well. I expect great rice and lousy cheese in Asia, and I expect the opposite in Europe. The US used to have a very serious rice industry many years ago. The Carolina Gold I mentioned earlier was highly prized even in Asia, and was a huge cash crop for the US south. But, it was labor-intensive to grow, so with the end of slavery it became more economical to grow other varieties which required less work but didn't taste anywhere near as good. Sadly. that same story has affected an awful lot of US produce: flavor has been traded away for production efficency.

>> No.12945803

>>12945791
You think Americans invented this and then Chinese and Japanese people started changing their practices to accommodate them? Seems more likely to me Americans would get the idea of what to eat from the items these restaurants serve to them and the way they serve them rather than the other way around.
Also, again, I'm fairly certain even outside of the US China has a history of using soy sauce with rice.
I think it's less a matter of "why do Americans do this? It's so crazy and bizarre!" and more a matter of "this is a low class thing to do." Which are two completely different concepts since the latter means they're fully familiar with the practice and just look down on it in the way Americans would look down on mac and cheese as poverty food.

>> No.12945805

>>12945794
If it's takeaway I asume it's just the automatic behavior I mentioned earlier. I've never heard of a sit-down restaraunt giving people packets. Any sit-down joint using packet condiments is a shithole and shouldn't be used as a metric for much of anything.

>> No.12945824

it works as a palate cleanser, so you can enjoy the flavor of your food longer. like bread for westerners. also cause its so easy to make, quick starch no mess. closest item: cassava couscous or potato.

>> No.12945826

>>12945803
>You think Americans invented this and then Chinese and Japanese people started changing their practices to accommodate them?
I'm not that anon you're replying to, but I do think that. Specifically, something like:
>Chinese people open restaurant
>Chinese people put soy on the table, expecting you to add it to your soup, or to your main dish, like Chinese people do
>Americans, not really knowing what the soy is for, decide to put it on their rice and enjoy it that way
>Restaurant owners observe this and cater to their customers.

I don't think that "low class" behavior would warrant the same expression of shock that "crazy and bizzare" does, but you may well be right.

>> No.12945827

https://www.encyclopedia.com/food/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/guangzhou-canton-cuisine
>Food is almost unthinkable without soy sauce. Rice by itself is not a meal, but rice with soy sauce is, and for the poor in earlier times it was, often the only meal of the day.

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>>12945803
>I think it's less a matter of "why do Americans do this? It's so crazy and bizarre!" and more a matter of "this is a low class thing to do."
Nah it genuinely throws them for a loop.

https://soranews24.com/2015/09/30/japanese-condiment-company-kikkoman-encourages-brits-to-desecrate-white-rice-with-tasty-sauce/

>> No.12945836

>>12945827
Amerifats redeemed. Soy sauce on rice is legit.

>> No.12945842

>>12945835
I think they do that to try to make more drama about it, the same way Chicago-fags pretend it's obvious ketchup doesn't belong on hot dogs even though we all know they know ketchup and mustard are served with hot dogs almost everywhere and you're fully expected to use one or both of them.
>>12945827

>> No.12945848

>>12945796
Indeed. It does make a lot of sense. Certainly that sushi bar was a real eye opener for me on just how high quality this stuff can be. A couple of the higher end supermarkets here now have sushi bars and I very occasionally get some to take home. I know to eat it immediately but it’s just nowhere near as good as that place. The guy was brought over from Japan and supposed to be one of the best here and while he was very personable and nice, there seems to be a very subtle ceremonial aspect to the whole thing. They don’t expect you to behave in a certain way that’s obvious but you’re subtlety encouraged to anyway.

So, for instance, I didn’t know what to try (you basically have as many pieces as you want and they keep a tab somewhere) so he started off offering me little slivers of fish and seemed very keen on my reactions. Not interested in what I said, just watching my face. Then he prepares various forms according to I guess whatever he thought I would like. And he must really know how to do this because I’m not really a fish guy but it was fucking delicious. The rice especially was something else. He had a bowl of it to the side that kept coming out then being replaced from the kitchen behind him. Scoops out a portion with a paddle, moulds it in his hands then fish on top. Very quick but also very studied and controlled. Amazing experience. Very chilled out and you’re the big focus as the customer but like I say, it seems there’s a lot of nuance and subtlety about behaviour that I think most westerners don’t get.

Anyway, I didn’t know that about rice farming in the US. It’s never occurred to me before discussing all this that yeah, that’s right - if it’s a big staple in their diet they’ll have distinct quality standards. Really interesting. I now want to try this Carolina Gold, too.

>> No.12945861

>>12945803
Yeah, I think so. I think I read somewhere that most takeaway Chinese food isn’t actually authentic or are western-pleasing forms of their cooking. Certainly, I’ve been to Hong Kong and their food is not remotely like what you find served in Chinese restaurants in the west. I know it’s regional; so I think a lot of it here is based on Szechuan cooking but it’s still been hugely adapted.

So yes, I think it’s possible if they’ve adjusted food for western tastes then they’ll add in condiments etc for western tastes too. I certainly wouldn’t think of most Chinese food in the west as being necessarily authentic anyway.

>> No.12945866

>>12945842
ketchup doesnt belong on a hotdog just like how it doesnt belong on a polish.

>> No.12945871

>>12945866
It clearly does belong on a hot dog. Almost every hot dog place in existence gives you your hot dog with little ketchup and mustard packets. Those are the two fundamental hot dog condiments. It's silly to pretend that's not true.

>> No.12945875

>>12945871
grilled yes
boiled or broiled no

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>>12945875
Not even trying to look for it and I see ketchup and mustard immediately in the first row of image search results for boiled hot dog.

>> No.12945884

>>12945879
>spider

>> No.12945885

>>12945848
There are several episodes of "Mind of a Chef" that focus on Carolina Gold Rice, if you're interested then seek those out. I can't recall the exact episode numbers off the top of my head, but I'm sure you can find them. Also google the name "Glen Roberts" of Anson Mills. They grow old-school heirloom grains, rice, beans, etc. Every product I have bought from them has been totally mindblowing. Rice. Beans. Flour. Grits. Sounds boring as hell, needs more stuff added to make it taste good, right? Hell no. Those products are goddamn amazing when they're the good stuff grown for flavor, not the modern industrial-quality stuff. They are all utterly amazing. That's what turned me onto this. I watched the show, then I figured I had to try this rice that everyone was ranting about. I ordered a small bag. Just the aroma when I opened the bag was an eye-opening experience.

And if you're watching Mind of a Chef, be sure to catch the stuff on Allan Benton's bacon and ham as well; that's another culinary epiphany that will rock your world.

>> No.12945888

>>12945884
You've never had hot dog spiders before?

>> No.12945891

>>12945827
Interesting. It doesn’t really elucidate though. That could be regional and it doesn’t say how it could be applied. For instance, they could form the rice in starchy balls then dip it in soy which doesn’t really break what seems to be the rule that the soy shouldn’t be applied over the rice as a form of seasoning.

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>>12945888
is this somekind of white people thing?

>> No.12945899

>>12945891
>they could form the rice in starchy balls then dip it in soy which doesn’t really break what seems to be the rule that the soy shouldn’t be applied over the rice as a form of seasoning.
How does that make any difference if you're only eating rice and soy sauce like it said they were eating? I think that excuse is pretty weak even when people use it to talk about sushi and soy sauce being different from rice on its own and soy sauce, but here it's extremely weak as an excuse given we're talking about rice on its own in either case.

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>>12945897
It's also a bento staple. Sometimes they poke spaghetti into the legs to make them into octopus tentacles

>> No.12945909

>>12945885
Ok, cool, thanks. I’ve screenshot your post. Anson Mills I’ve looked up but I don’t think they ship to the U.K. I’ll drop them an email anyway. I’ve checked on amazon and they have a two pound bag of something called ‘Charleston Gold Rice’. Would that be the same thing? It’s £52 for the bag though so I’m fine to try it, I just want it to be what you’re referring to.

>> No.12945918

>>12945504
>Why does half the world like this stuff so much? It's so bland and lifeless, even adding butter and salt doesn't really help.
Because you eat it with something. It's rare that people just eat an english muffin/sliced bread/bagels by itself.

>> No.12945929

>>12945899
I’m not making excuses. I’m just pointing out that excerpt doesn’t really explain the context. I’ve never been told you can’t dip rice in soy - the rule appears to be that it shouldn’t be tainted at all for some kind of reason that isn’t clear but appears to be what someone else up thread said is to do with cultural values. But this could also shift regionally like I say and if all you have is rice and soy (which that article specifically sets as the ONLY instance), then obviously there must be some way they’re eaten together. It doesn’t talk about contexts beyond that, doesn’t say how it’s used, or where it applies, etc.

>> No.12945937

>>12945594
autism and that's why collectivist ant people culture never jived with me but whatever it's their shit

>> No.12945948

>>12945909
I've only ever bought from Anson Mills directly. I don't know if that is the same or a similar product. Anson Mills does make a premium product they call "Charleston Gold", which is Carolina Gold that has been aged in wooden barrels with bay leaves.

I took a look at Amazon and punched in the words "Charleston Gold" and I do see hits (in what looks like a yellow cloth bag?), but that is NOT an Anson Mills product so I don't know if it is the same thing or not. I suspect it's a competitor with a similar name, but I haven't ordered it so I don't know. It's description certainly makes it sound similar.

>> No.12946015

>>12945504
They don't ever eat it plain. That's dumb. Try it with sweetened rice vinegar and furikake sometime.

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>>12945948
> Carolina Gold that has been aged in wooden barrels with bay leaves.

Fuck, this sounds unbelievably delicious. And yeah, this right?
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Carolina-Plantation-Charleston-Gold-Pound/dp/B007MY642K/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?keywords=charleston+gold+rice&qid=1568950466&s=gateway&sr=8-1
The price is insane but I did wonder if it’s some kind of rip-off.

Anyway, I’ve emailed Anson Mills to ask if they have a supplier here or if they ship. Really looking forward to trying it.

Also, just as an aside all this talk about heritage grains and Asia and what have you has reminded me of this novel. If you like dystopian fiction but with a particularly Asian slant and a kind of steampunk feel, you’ll love this. Highly recommended.

>> No.12946594

>>12945594
Fuck them, beans over rice is the GOAT

>> No.12946609

>>12945683
>>12945683
God I hate this shit.
But I love this shit, I hate loving this shit.

>> No.12946611

>>12945594
It gained a huge history during the world war. Similar to how Americans had to eat lentils instead of meat, eating rice and ramen with no superfluous dressings was a way to support the effort. Due to this, great care was taken into cultivating rice and became a proud staple for them.
To cover up the rice in soy sauce is to claim that low-quality rice is being used. Similar to getting kobe beef and cooking it well done before smothering it in ketchup and A1. Retarded as fuck though

>> No.12946617

>>12946611
It's all based on seeing how their elders react and then taking that reaction to be how the way is. It's fucking stupid but most people don't take the time to reflect on why they feel/act the way they do

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>>12945594
really..? im chinese and ive never heard of this habit
maybe they just didnt like gajins

if they dont put stuff over rice what about curry rice? and those donburi

>> No.12946755

Plain hwite rice with no salt or anything is honestly the only enjoyable staple carb. It has just enough flavor to be interesting and doesn't get boring. The lasting fullness you experience from a good serving lasts far longer than bread or the like. Also it promotes good gut health without gluten encouraging leaky gut and inflammation.

>> No.12946762

>>12946638
The Japanese are a more refined people, Chineseanon.

>> No.12946767

>>12946762
DNA wise they are just chinks/gooks with ainu mixture

>> No.12946769

>>12946762
It's difficult communicating with someone who has a rudimentary grasp of english, Deng. How many years of shitposting do you have left before they'll let you see your wife and kid again?

>> No.12946772

>>12946767
But culturally they are a more refined people than the Chinese.

>> No.12946776

>>12946638
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WW4ZGO_Hi_8

>> No.12946780

>>12945504
Brown rice has more texture/flavor. Even better if you can get brown jasmine/basmati rice.

>> No.12946789

>>12945504
Japs have no souls so no wonder they and their food is bland and lifeless.

>> No.12946796

>>12946769
what did he mean by this?

>> No.12946805

>>12946762
>>12946796
Indians are even funnier when they bob their heads to and fro while speaking. It takes some effort to not break out laughing and trying to take them seriously.

>> No.12946820

>>12945504
You're supposed to be eating it with something else.
Imagine eating pasta only flavored with salt and butter.

>> No.12946821

>>12946805
racist bastard bitch

>> No.12946822

>>12946772
thats what happens when they are an isolated monoculture for thousands of years.

and much of old japanese culture was from china, the music (for example the koto is a modified chinese guqin), language (kanji), technology (paper, pottery, silkmaking, woodmaking and printing)

the great leap forward and communism destroyed a lot of chinese identity and societal morals, which is a shame.

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You must add the Collective approved raw egg before adding soy sauce.

>> No.12946838

>>12946824
how about i collectively approve my dick in your ass?

>> No.12946957

>>12946638
Good stuff. That story was about the Japanese however, idiot.

>> No.12946976

>>12945573
Why do people reduce things to their components now in convo as if that changes something?
Hey guys you want to go eat cArbs with protein and fiber +vitamins? No, not a health food store, a Mexican place!

>> No.12946978

>>12946820
I regularly just melt butter and lightly fry garlic in a pan then pour it over spaghetti. Add salt and Tabasco. One of my favourite quick meals.

>> No.12946980

>>12945594
It's nice hearing this as the same shit happened to me with a half japanese colleague of mine when we both got sent over to japan for a month. The only difference is I hated that slant eyed, pompous dickhead and I took great pleasure putting some vinegar and shichimi all over my rice before eating it with my curry right in front of him. Same dead ass stare and he said something along the lines of "you know you're not supposed to put toppings on superior nihonjin rice that's been folded over 1000x times?" I laughed at him and said he could go right ahead and eat bland food if he wanted but i'm certainly not going to while i'm living here. Needless to say that didn't improve our already strained relationship, maybe if he wasn't a mentally ill hapa we could have been friends in some other life.

>> No.12946984

>>12946980
The curry is supposed to be super saucy and go with the rice. Most people would even serve it on the same plate and you could just mix it together if you wanted.

>> No.12946986

>>12945669
You could also stop giving a shit about what other people think like an adult. Who cares if some fast food ramen maker gives you a dirty look? You’re so sensitive anon it’s disgusting. I bet you thank the cashiers at fast food restaurants.

>> No.12946995

>>12945683
Absolute insanity. Why make a language if you’re going to bastardize it with double meanings and literally mean what you say? This is why everyone makes fun of Britain. It’s full of silly backwards bullshit like this. Go ahead and feel superior because you live everyday like it’s Opposite Day tho, I bet you need it to keep living in that shithole.

>> No.12946999

>>12946986
I’m British. And yes, when dealing with any staff of anything, I begin most sentences with ‘please’ and end them in ‘thank you’.

>> No.12947002

>>12946980
>>12945594

I thought Japan had begun importing rice from Thailand back in the 2000's, but Wikipedia says countries are still trying to negotiate a trade deal with Japan's strict "no rice import ban" that they've been enforcing since the dawn of time.
How is Japan's food self sufficiency doing these days anyway? I heard they were doing pretty well, but I also keep hearing everybody is getting old and the youth aren't interested in farming?

>> No.12947009

>>12946957
and the example dishes i gave were both japanese, idiot

learn to have comprehension
this is like going to a german and telling him
"do you know the french put salt in their coffee?"
obviously him as a fellow european would have more understanding of what the french do or dont

>> No.12947024

>>12946762
And by that you mean grumpy assholes who hate everything.

>> No.12947070

>>12945594
That sounds like utter bullshit. Down here in SEA, you can drown your rice in as much gravy from the dishes as you want. Hell, some people just skip getting another bowl for soup and just pours it over the rice, essentially drinking most of the rice with the soups

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>>12946762
The chinese perfetced the art of cooking
The japanese bastardized it

>> No.12947081

>>12946978
Yeah, but you did put garlic on it.

Btw, you can do similar shit with rice. After cooking them, cool them for a little while or use some leftovers, fry some roughly chopped/crushed garlic until they're brown, then mix the rice. Melt a little bit of butter and add salt as you finish mixing the rice and you have yourself some of the nicest things for breakfast.

>> No.12947224

>>12945669
would have just kept eating it, and if the little jap fucker wanted to settle things outside than I would have been more than happy to oblige, if I want to add any kind of condiment to my rice than I'm going to do it, don't care if tojo and yuki give me dirty looks, what are they gonna do? take the rice away from me? yeah right, ill break their fucking hands before they even had the chance to touch a single grain of rice, you don't mess with a man's food, period! I'm 6'5 and 320 lbs, I could destroy tokyo in 24 hours if I wanted too, and yes, I'm petty enough to destroy an entire city over a few dirty looks.

>> No.12947228

>>12945504
I swear to god I've seen this exact fucking thread like 3 times. They use special rice and cook it via better methods you goddamn mongoloid.

>> No.12947261

>>12947009
Still doesn’t make you Japanese, bud.

>> No.12947267

>>12946980
Hah. That’s a great insight, thanks. So it also has something to do with the make of the rice, too, which also correlates with other posts pointing out the values/WW2 stuff. Really interesting.

>> No.12947271

>>12947070
> SEA
Still not Japan.

>> No.12947273

>>12947081
That sounds delicious. I’ll try that, thanks. Best Asian breakfast in my experience though is still Singaporean. The rice with some kind of chilli sauce and little dried fish. I could eat that stuff all day long.

I’ll try this, though, definitely.

>> No.12947276

>>12947224
Haha. You’re my kind of guy. I’m British, though, you know. Disapproving looks from other people in culinary settings is our kryptonite.

>> No.12947609

>>12947261
where did I say I want to be japanese?
the story just sounded far fetched because as a rice eating asian ive never heard of such a thing in my life

>> No.12947639

>>12947070
SEA is also basically Asian Mexico so nobody cares what you guys do

>> No.12947652

>>12947609
You’re not Japanese.

>> No.12947665

>>12947652
Why would anyone want to be Japanese?

>> No.12947669

>>12947665
I don’t know. You tell me; you’re the one desperate to give the impression you are.

>> No.12947670

>>12947652
>you must be japanese to comment on japanese related cuisine

what?

>> No.12947674

>>12947669
i think you have reading disability

>> No.12947707

>>12945796
>They're big on "tasting the natural flavor of the ingredient"
That really depends and goes both ways. Europeans would never ever put spices or sauces on some foods like steak and lots of stuff in east asia is deep fried

>> No.12947710

>>12947665
I'm halfu halfu and I gotta tell ya it's pretty great.

>> No.12947742

>>12945594
>whito rice too spicy for japanese so they add ice cubes

>> No.12947882

>>12947742
They add ice cubes to noodles. I saw this one the one day when it was quite hot. They added ‘ice noodles’ to the menu which they seemed very excited about and it was all gone by the time we got down there. Literally noodle bowls and ice cubes added. I bet you never learned about that on /jp/.

>> No.12948217

>>12945685
almost, soy sauce was originally used for flavoring water or sake hence the reason it is on the table as a condiment not for your food, but your drink

the more you know~

>> No.12948400

>>12946976
literally what did he even mean by this?

>> No.12948445

>>12947882
They copied the gooks' naengmyun with that one.

>> No.12948451

>>12947882
Nips are subhuman.
Also there is no statute of limitation on war crimes. There’s still a few to track down.

>> No.12948538

>>12948451

Did you get raped in Nanking or something.

>> No.12948540

>>12946824
They do that to cut the saltiness or spiciness of a dish usually. Which I do not want to do so again, fuck them.

>> No.12948552

>>12947228
You can get that "special rice" and in my opinion, better varieties if you're not an idiot. Or else you live in some middle of nowhere place. There are parts of Europe that have considerably worse access to it for some obvious geographical reasons. Same thing with the US I suppose.

>> No.12948642

>>12945669
they have condiments for rice jackass. It's called furikakke and it tastes like absolute butthole. It's just seaweed slices and sesame seeds and Bonito flakes and shit, it's marketed specifically for rice. They have other flavors but they're all god awful.

>> No.12948672

>>12948642
ive eaten both buttholes and furikakke and they dont taste anything alike

and furikakke is just msg unami sprinkles, your tastebuds must be broken

>> No.12948828

>>12945683
fuck Every Single Mouthbreather who talks like that beyond his teenage years. this is almost as bad as talking with women.

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>>12945671
>how are you today" or "what's up" but we don't actually expect or even want a detailed and accurate reply.

THEN WHY ASK IN THE 1ST PLACE

dont ask me HOWS MY DAY if you dont want to hear HOW MY DAY WAS

>> No.12948894

>>12945504
butter on rice is absolute boak. Butter is great but these combined are a recipe for awful

>> No.12948907

>>12948894
I think it slides around your mouth too much to chew properly when rice is wet or buttery, it just feels kind of gross. Rice is best when it's a bit sticky.

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>>12946995
It goes both ways

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>>12945594
They must have been fucking with you, or it's specifically about soy sauce. Dumping egg on rice is so common it has a slang name, and there's a whole array of prepackaged things that you top rice with.

>> No.12949134

>>12945683
80% of these are the same in the US, at least where I live.

>> No.12949141

>>12945504
you're supposed to dump some tabasco or soy sauce on that shit retard

>> No.12949343

>>12948672
not as broken as your mom's butthole after I ate it last night,

>> No.12949355

>>12945661
that's a japanese custom? fuck i guess all my classmates lived in japan at some point

>> No.12949394

>>12945594
This pasta doesn't make any sense, people in Japan love putting shit in their rice.
Sauce, eggs, dried fish and veg are all common Japanese rice add-ons.

>> No.12949487

>>12946824
How about I just hawk a fucking lugie into your bowl? Has the same texture. That shit is disgusting.

>> No.12949686

>>12949121
It literally says it’s about putting soy directly onto the rice, chucklefuck. Lrn2read.

>> No.12949700

>>12948642
Another retard who can’t read. What’s up, dopes? Did you suddenly realise all that time shitposting on /jp/ has still left you with no actual knowledge of Japan at all? That’s gotta burn, I bet.

>> No.12949881

>>12949686
Says the guy that can't.

>> No.12949940

>>12945594
Thats a terrible pasta anon.
Its like you found a sushi-pasta, but missed the point: For sushi you are suppose to have a dip boil, so you can dip the fish with the chopsticks, when you pick up the piece.

>> No.12949946

>>12949940
> pasta
Prove this is pasta. I’ll wait.

>> No.12949990

>>12945594
>>12945669
>>12949946
Really anon? Its easy.

See >>12946638
In the lower right, the most important object is there. The dip bowl.
Its a lot like how with ketchup or sauce there is a lot of dishes where you add those to the side of the plate, so you can dip if you want that extra taste.

Doesn't matter if its mustard, Bearnaise, hollandaise, white sauce, ketchup.
But what is weird about soya sauce is that it has a thin consistency, so you need a dip bowl. A small one too.
Its not a particularly Jap thing, but a cuisine thing. Its just weird, because for foreigners they will eat rice dishes like they are parts of some kind of pot or crockpot dish: Even if said dish has served rice separately.
Japfucks do not serve rice as a pot dish, instead its served more like how you serve steak, fries, or a lot of classical dish pieces. Its served separately, so you can take a piece, and mix just that piece.

>> No.12950029

>>12945594
>>12945669
Who cares what japanese think? Chinese people think japanese over use soy sauce the same way japanese think westerners use soy sauce wrong. Both rice and soy sauce were adopted from china so japanese shouldn't get so uppity.

Soy sauce + rice is like eating dry pasta with butter. It's poor people food and you wouldn't see it in a restaurant.

>> No.12950033

>>12950029
*plain pasta, not dry pasta

>> No.12950066

>>12949990
This is just utterly incoherent. Where’s your proof that this account is ‘pasta’? Your dismal attempts at strawmanning are irrelevant. Provide proof or be confirmed a liar. Still waiting.

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>>12945504
>Why do Europeans like this stuff so much? It's so bland and lifeless, even adding butter and salt doesn't really help.

>> No.12950087

>>12945651
Except that's wrong, faggot.

>> No.12950198

>>12945671
Everytime I ask someone that I prepare my self for either answer. That is called a conversation. It's what us normal people have.
They are quite pleasant.

>> No.12950202

>>12948922
More than half of that is inaccurate.

>> No.12950207

>>12950066
>This is just utterly incoherent.
Its just like western cuisine.
You don't drown everything in ketchup or sauce. Instead you use it to drip whatever you eat.
Its fine if you don't get it, but if its not a pasta its stupidity.

>> No.12950209

>>12945641
soy sauce is crap, it's basically salt and disappointment,

>> No.12950218

>>12945683
that is why the human race is doomed.

>> No.12950227

>>12945772
soy sauce is on the table of every asia restaurant and in every bag of takeout where I am.

>> No.12950228

>>12945796
>can't really taste the fish
that's the idea.

>> No.12950251

>>12950207
So you’re conceding it isn’t pasta and your inane burblings about ‘muh dip bowl’ are entirely irrelevant. Many thanks.

>> No.12950399

>>12950207
anon your ramblings are just that. i have a mate who has been studying in tokyo for a couple of years now, when we spoke about rice he recommended me koshihikari. shit was a bitch to find, but i got some cali export and shit was Good. when i told him that i greatly enjoyed it with soy and vinegar he notified me that gooks indeed use some vinegar, but look down upon adding soy. i didnt ask why because gooks gonna gook, who cares.

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>>12945504
Rice in Asia is manufactured differently than in the US

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>>12945504
Rice in Asia is manufactured differently
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YsBnV41bW3o

>> No.12950803

>>12945504
rice is unironically my favorite food. Soy sauce is good with it, but its nor required. I just like the texture, really.

>> No.12950829

>>12950803
That's not how you use "nor". Nor goes between two negatives.

>> No.12950843

>>12950829
qwert...

>> No.12950848

>>12945594
Stupid gooks! heh... Here in the west we have lil something called FREEDOM!!! these zipperheads wouldn't be here if we didn;t stay after ww2!!! they need to respect us or they'll get a taste of freedom!!


-"Your world as you knew it is gone. How far would you go to bring it back? Bush created a war, but only we knew the truth." -Qanon

>> No.12950880

>>12946805
lmao https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uj56IPJOqWE
why do /g/ hates them tho ? funny culture

>> No.12950918

>>12946611
makes sense steak and gravy suace ect is great
but to T. average amerifat its sperg level shit

>> No.12950945

>>12950918
spellcheck your post esl

>> No.12950950

>>12950945
smd you fat fuck ill rape your mom you gamer bish cum fuck ill fuck you up dumb shit fuck

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Westerners don't eat staple foods.
Is n’t it hard?

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>>12951599

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>>12949343

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>>12945594
Is this from facebook? You are retarded if you believe it. Japs love to put stuff on their rice.

>> No.12951833

>hmmmnn this doesn't taste so good
>I KNOW LET ME JUST SALT AND BUTTER THAT SHIT UP
Americans

>> No.12952107

Rice also has a taste.
Sweetness.
Isn't the person who thinks that there is no taste a taste disorder or insensitive tongue?

>> No.12952171

Rice+food that's meant to be eaten in separate bites with rice
>grilled fish
>nikujaga
>yakiniku
Rice+types of food meant to be served over rice and eaten together in a mouthful
>curry rice (some ppl prefer separate too)
>donburi and katsudon (never separate)
>nigiri sushi
Rice+other ingredients to make a primary rice based dish or snack
Rice+furikake+nori=onigiri
Rice+egg+soy sauce=tamagokake Hogan
Rice cooked with dashi and other mix ins depending on the season: takikomi gohan
Fried rice=Chahan

In absolutely no context should people eat plain rice with soy sauce on top in a restaurant. If you're poor and at home have at it.

>> No.12952195

>>12952171
>If you're poor
nah, fuck off with that retardation. i freely admit to it being a cultural thing and fairly rude in public establishments, but it sure as shit got nothing to do with being poor, thats just a retarded gook meme.
and to me it actually tastes better than properly (advanced cuckoo rice cooker) cooked decent short grain prepared with dashi.

>> No.12952312

>>12945594
I lived in Japan. It's specifically dumping soy sauce on anything that they have a problem with. They see it as a waste of soy sauce. Soy sauce is a dipping sauce, not a dumping sauce. Rice is the worst because it's so thirsty for soy sauce.

>>12945504

ATTENTION EVERYONE IN THIS THREAD

Rice actually has a natural taste. You just have to chew it and break the individual grains between your teeth. It has a sweet flavor, almost with a hint of vanilla, that is only unlocked by careful chewing. I went my entire life just swallowing the rice whole and only ever "chewing" it to break up chunks. I dreaded having to eat plain rice. Then some Japanese kids taught me to chew the individual grains, and it totally changes the flavor of the rice. Westerners never learn this and just treat rice like porridge or something and swallow it down whole. The reason why Japanese like rice is because they actually chew it.

>> No.12952325

>>12952312
Are you a duck?

>> No.12952326

>>12952325
What? A duck?

>> No.12952334

All I've learned from this thread is that two nukes weren't enough

>> No.12952336

>>12945683
This is rubbish and you should feel bad for posting it. Every English speaker, hell, every human being can understand tone and inflection.

>> No.12952340

>>12952312
>Westerners never learn this and just treat rice like porridge or something and swallow it down whole. The reason why Japanese like rice is because they actually chew it.
I can tell you that's absolute bullshit.
I happen to eat rice all the time and always chew any food I eat very thoroughly because I have intestinal ulcers. And this doesn't make rice start having some great hidden flavor that causes you to no longer want to use soy sauce or condiments in general.

>> No.12952345

>>12951833
Why are you acting like that doesn't make perfect sense when it does? That's what salt is for. Flavor.

>> No.12952355

>>12952340
Oh, it's true. I noticed the change in flavor immediately the first time I actually chewed my rice. Maybe you just don't have a sense of taste?

>> No.12952359

>>12949686
>It literally says it’s about putting soy directly onto the rice, chucklefuck. Lrn2read.
>>12949700
>Another retard who can’t read. What’s up, dopes? Did you suddenly realise all that time shitposting on /jp/ has still left you with no actual knowledge of Japan at all? That’s gotta burn, I bet.
Go back and try reading it again. It says:
>>12945594
>“it’s very rude in Japan to pour anything on to the rice, you just leave it as is or it’s basically an insult”.
It doesn't say:
>It's very rude in Japan to pour soy sauce on rice, but pouring anything else is fine."

>> No.12952362

>>12952312
or maybe you are just retarded?
i have been on and off hunting for that one rice i tasted as a 14yo from some chink takeout that closed couple years later, that rice Amazed me. there was a good crispy duck with veggies in hoisin based sauce (i love azn duck), but that rice was all i cared about then.
for the next 10 years i tried different cheap, expensive and mid range brands of rice, Nothing came close.
so then i had a buddy i could ask and he told me about koshihikari, washing and soaking it as well as a straight 1.5 water measure ( my cheapo rice cooker suggested 2x) and letting it rest for at least ten min without opening the lid.
Then, and then only i found what i had thought unattainable all those years.
afterwards i wasted 250 on a cuckoo since my old cooker died, and now i get the same taste even from cheaper italian short grain.
i cant say i atomize the rice with my teeth, but i always chewed it. to me it is a matter of rice and rice cooker quality, not something as simple as chewing your fucking food.

>> No.12952379

>>12952362
Oh, so you've always habitually chewed your rice instead of just swallowing it all down? Maybe that's why you feel the need to cover up your ignorance with needless hostility. You don't have a basis for comparison to understand what the the rest of us are talking about.

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>>12952312
>just swallowing the rice whole and only ever "chewing" it to break up chunks.

>> No.12952389

>>12952379
i dunno if its a mutt thing, but where im from All kindergardeners are taught to chew their food properly. you are literally the first person in my 31 years of life i hear casually talk about just gulping down food without chewing.
i hope to god you are just a retarded outlier and not the rule.

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>>12952355
>Oh, it's true.
It's not. You might just be very satisfied with very little flavor and/or have a placebo thing going on where this narrative about having unlocked hidden flavor through thorough chewing drives your altered experience. Second factor isn't as weird as it sounds. Lots of studies out there showing the power of suggestion can dramatically alter perceived experience.
>Maybe you just don't have a sense of taste?
If I didn't have a sense of taste I wouldn't use condiments in the first place. Or if you just mean this in the sense of "I think your sense of taste is bad," then OK, you're free to have that opinion.
All I'm pointing out is I happen to definitely chew rice thoroughly (or any other food I eat for that matter) for reasons that don't have to do with flavor (to reduce food residue so it doesn't fuck with my GI tract) and have absolutely not found plain white rice to be suddenly flavorful and better without condiments just because I chew it thoroughly in spite of what you believe chewing thoroughly would result in.
Everyone should chew food thoroughly since it's better for digestion, but it's not going to magically make plain white rice taste preferable to white rice with some sort of flavor enhancing condiment.

>> No.12952406

>>12952389
Everyone in the US is taught to chew thoroughly as a child too. But just because you're taught to do something as a child doesn't mean you're going to do the best job of it for the decades of living that follow childhood. Plenty of people end up not doing the best job chewing food thoroughly because eating food is something most people do multiple times every day and anything that frequently done is easy to stop paying attention to, much like how many car accidents happen pretty close to the driver's home where they're most familiar with the roads rather than not familiar with them. Aside from contempt, familiarity also breeds negligence.

>> No.12952417

>>12952406
do you feel contempt for and show negligence when pissing? when wiping your arse? when breathing?
to me chewing is the same exact thing.

>> No.12952421

>>12952389
Not food in general. Just rice.

>>12952391
>You might just be very satisfied with very little flavor
The flavor of chewed rice isn't overpowering. It's subtle, but it's definitely a difference.

>and/or have a placebo thing going on where this narrative about having unlocked hidden flavor through thorough chewing drives your altered experience. Second factor isn't as weird as it sounds. Lots of studies out there showing the power of suggestion can dramatically alter perceived experience.
Might be, but the kids who taught me this seemed to be aware of it already, like their parents had all pointed it out to them.

>If I didn't have a sense of taste I wouldn't use condiments in the first place. Or if you just mean this in the sense of "I think your sense of taste is bad," then OK, you're free to have that opinion.
If you can't distinguish between the taste of whole rice and chewed rice then maybe you don't have a very good sense of taste. There is definitely a difference. Again, it's not overpowering, but it's there.

>All I'm pointing out is I happen to definitely chew rice thoroughly for reasons that don't have to do with flavor and have absolutely not found plain white rice to be suddenly flavorful and better without condiments just because I chew it thoroughly in spite of what you believe chewing thoroughly would result in.
Here's the flaw in your logic. If you've been chewing rice your entire life, then you aren't used to the flavor of unchewed rise. You're used to the flavor of chewed rice. Which means you probably don't notice it at all, because you're already familiar with it. You're operating from a different baseline.

>Everyone should chew food thoroughly since it's better for digestion, but it's not going to magically make plain white rice taste preferable to white rice with some sort of flavor enhancing condiment.
I disagree. Plain rice is more bearable now. I still prefer butter and pepper, but I no longer dread plain rice.

>> No.12952422

>>12952417
OH FUCK ME SIDEWAYS. YOU JUST MADE ME REALIZE WHERE THE FUCKING SHART IN MART MEME TAKES ITS ROOTS. FUCK.

>> No.12952461

>>12952421
Anyway, I looked it up. Apparently the enzyme amylase in human saliva breaks down the starch in the rice into the sugar maltose. Holding rice in your mouth longer and chewing it thoroughly to increase its surface area as well as coat it in saliva does indeed generate a distinctive sweet taste as more maltose is produced. This change in taste is definitely not a figment of my imagination.

Whether the change is enough to make plain rice appealing enough to you to forego condiments or not is a matter of personal taste, which there really is no accounting for.

>> No.12952464

It's because there's an enzyme in saliva that breaks down starch in rice into simple sugar you fucking idiots, that's why if you chew rice it tastes slightly sweeter, it's literally taught in middle school science. You white mutts don't have rice culture, go back to corn and potatoes and wheat.

>> No.12952479
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>>12945594
I knew that they didn't put soy sauce on their rice, but I had no idea the negative reaction to it would be that intense! I suppose it has to do with how hard the rice companies and farmers have to work to make the rice that maybe it seems very rude to "taint" their hard work with adding flavor on top? (If that's the case, shouldn't they get pissed off with adding flavor to ANY food?)

I wonder where and why this white-rice-only custom and culture came from? Anybody smarter than me here who can fill in the blanks or correct my understanding?

>> No.12952480

>>12952417
I can go through each of your examples and show you where the attempted analogies break down, sure.
>pissing
Pissing is almost entirely automatic for most people. You don't have much room for variation in how you piss, and even what little you can vary in the way you piss doesn't matter much since you would have no incentive to try pissing in different ways in the first place e.g. you could probably do a series of rapid stop and go releases of small amounts of urine instead of just releasing urine in a single unbroken stream, but why would you ever want to?
>wiping your arse
If you failed to do a good job wiping your ass you would have the immediate negative feedback of discomfort, the stench of shit left on your ass, and bad shit stains on your underwear. So again not very similar to the case of people not being diligent about chewing slowly and thoroughly when eating. For most people eating without being careful / mindful of chewing slowly and thoroughly would not cause immediate negative feedback. It would just be a case of mindlessly enjoying some food and then moving on. There could be stomach problems later, but they wouldn't be immediate, they would probably be mild, and you wouldn't necessarily realize the mild discomfort later on was even related to how you carried out the act of chewing.
>breathing
This one's like the pissing example. In both cases, they're mostly automatic things you aren't going to vary much even though you could if you really wanted to.

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>>12952422

>> No.12952486

>>12952479
Japanese enforce their manners very harshly. They really have no concepts of mercy or forgiveness.

>> No.12952488

>>12952479
Don't try to understand it, just be aware that they have severe social penalties for any breach of conduct.

>> No.12952500

>>12946976
The absolute state of /ck/ in the year of our Lord MMXIX

>> No.12952509

>>12952479
desu it sounds like they just wanted a reason to mess with the foreigner. There are many, many japanese dishes with sauce or toppings on rice.

>> No.12952514

>>12952509
Nah, not dumping soy sauce on stuff is definitely an established cultural rule there. You don't dump it on sushi, either.

>> No.12952522

>>12952480
so you have never seen sober lads with piss stains? you havent heard of the harm it can cause to hold urine in for too long?

im pretty sure one of the causes for hemorrhoids is poorly done / too strong wiping, seems weighty enough and obvious enough an issue. tho im not 100% sure about the poor part.

they are automatic things and yet we have had plenty dumb fucks die during asphyxiation play, which is something you wouldnt do if you actually dont think about breathing negligently.
unless im mistaken and that play requires a mental illness.

>> No.12952527

>>12952509
>desu it sounds like they just wanted a reason to mess with the foreigner.
^^^This.
When you don't like someone you go out of your way to make a big deal out of things you don't really care about. It's like how at any given workplace there are probably hundreds of different ways you could find fault with the work an employee is doing, but if people like you you're probably not going to be nitpicked to death like that.
The decision of which "problems" to notice frequently follows from how much you dislike the person you're noticing problems for.

>> No.12952528

>>12952509
Dishes like curry puts the sauce next to the rice, and aren't soy sauce.
Toppings aren't soy sauce, and are frequently enjoyed as a side-dish rather than a direct topping.

If it sounds like hazing to you, it's only because you lack knowledge.

>> No.12952531

>>12945594
Well nips are xenophobic as fuck and if you do anything that is even remotely different from their publicly accepted norms you are looked down upon. I can't think of another country that is anywhere near as xenophobic as japan because Europe isn't like this.

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>>12952522
>so you have never seen sober lads with piss stains?
How are you convinced piss stains is common and normal while at the same time it blows your mind people exist who don't chew their food thoroughly enough?

>> No.12952548

>>12952312
I wasn't taught this either. I'll have to try this the next time I make some. I usually dump soy sauce and sriracha on my rice first thing, but I'll take a few bites without it before and see if you're right. Thanks anon!

>> No.12952554

>>12952533
because its not normal, and nobody would admit to having done so without shame / knowing they fucked up.

>> No.12952569

>>12952554
I agree most people wouldn't go around in public talking about how they realized they weren't chewing their food thoroughly enough since that wouldn't help with your image.
But no way is it "not normal" if you're using that in the sense of unusual / uncommon. It's a very common problem, because again, most people don't even think about it. They just eat, and in the lack of mindfulness they aren't chewing as thoroughly as they should be chewing.
Also it's not like they're just swallowing food whole like a snake. We're still talking about chewing either way. It's just that a lot of people aren't sitting there making a point to chew slowly and thoroughly with each bite they take of their meal.

>> No.12952806

>>12952527
Uh, I was a temporary contract worker on my second day and that was the first time I’d been in that canteen. Not one person apart from the team I was with had ever seen me before. I find it objectively odd that so many of you seem to think there was some other explanation for this. At the time, as embarrassed as I was, I just accepted that’s how they like to do things and seeing as I accepted going there (much as if I went to Japan itself), the onus was on me to basically fit in or fuck off which is entirely appropriate given I have zero tolerance for people who come to my country and dismiss or sneer at my customs and values. That was also a free lunch every day - only employer I’ve ever had that from. I got no problem watching my manners when it’s called for.

>> No.12952830

>>12952359
Yeah, and? It was over ten years ago. I’m narrating the events as I recall them, mainly visually. Those may not have been his exact words but they were certainly in reference to what I was doing: which was pouring soy onto rice. All the responses you’re trying to back up are just idiot autists or butthurt trolls who are seething they learned something about Japan they didn’t know before.

>> No.12952851

one of the biggest surprises about japan for me was the lack of rice
it's always available, but it also rarely comes included with anything you buy
its not like in america where every asian meal from any restaurant automatically comes with a side of rice

depending on what you're eating you would need to go out of your way to get rice unless its something like sushi or a rice bowl topped with something


that said it's also kind of excessive, I was getting ramen and I have learned people order sides of rice to put in their ramen. Bruh there's already noodles in there! calm the fuck down!

>> No.12952927

>>12952336
Not autists, no.

>> No.12953155

>>12952830
>write something wrong
>people comment on it
>hah I was just recalling it _visually_ retards
Your next move is to reply "seething."

>> No.12953163

>>12953155
Yup. You’re either an autist or a seething troll. Cry more.

>> No.12953188

>>12952336
Brits don't intone and inflect, they are too stoic.
Besides, most international communication is through email.

>> No.12954764

>>12945504
Because it's good.

>> No.12955277

>>12945504
it tastes good, can be made in a billion ways, can be made with a billion varieties that all have their own differences in taste and texture, and goes with almost fucking anything you stupid fuck

>> No.12955799

>>12945594
日本ではご飯に醤油だけかけて食べる事はあまりしないのは確かだが別に失礼だからというわけじゃ無いと思うよ
多分醤油を掛け過ぎて塩分過多を心配されたのでは?

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>>12952528
>as a side-dish rather than a direct topping.

donburi like gyudon or katsudon etc literally cover the rice in topping
sometimes you cant even see the rice
its also not a "side dish" because thats the main star of the meal

>> No.12955993

Thanks to this thread I made fried rice and poured soy sauce on it. I really enjoyed it

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>>12955993
Bold and brave, anon

>> No.12956105

>>12945594
not reading all this dog shit

>> No.12956144

>>12945543
fpbp

>> No.12956198

>>12945594
Why'd you throw out the soy rice? Because the fuckers thought it was disrespectful? Kinda beta if you ask me.

They do what they want here, so why should anyone give a shit about their customs there?

>> No.12956219

>>12947002
What the fuck are you talking about? California sushi rice is not only imported extensively by Japan, but often sought after.

>> No.12956414

>>12945504
お前の舌が馬鹿なだけw

>> No.12956448

>>12952312
I, too, grew up having been taught to eat my food without chewing it. Honestly, I think this is why as an American I am obese and have bad taste. Later in life I also learned important cultural lessons like how to chew food in order to taste it. I stopped pouring condiments all over everything and lost about 10 pounds.

>> No.12956624

>>12945732
It's not "their rules" when it comes to what YOU'RE eating though. Imagine it was one Japanese foreigner coming to your home, would they get told off for making their own breakfast "wrong"?

>> No.12957141

>>12952464
germans ate potatoes all the time and killed 6 million dumb jews so whats wrong with potatoes