/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>12930503
Most recent bottle for me, Escondite del Ardacho 'Las Guillermas', a very limited production (2075 bottles) single-vineyard rioja from a really neat producer. 40% viura, 60% tempranillo. Really cool stuff, a quite unusual mix and balance of deep flavors from the tempranillo and prolonged aging in older oak barrels, and brightness from the viura.

currently drinking boxed wine from trader joe's. $11 for 3 liters.

i'd drink better shit but i just moved and don't know where to get good shit. i used to live right next to a top tier wine importer and literally anything i bought there was good. also im broke now

>>12930503
Carlo Rossi Burgundy

only fast food, whisky, and craft beer are allowed on 4chins

inb4 404

There is a California champagne by Paul Masson inspired by that same French excellence.

>>12930571
Another recent bottle, M. Chapoutier Chante-Alouette Hermitage Blanc. Red Hermitage is probably my favorite type of wine but honestly I feel like the whites are seriously underappreciated, they were a favorite of Russian royalty for a long time for a reason.

The only acceptable wine is a Primitivo di Manduria

>>12930955
>they were a favorite of Russian royalty for a long time for a reason.
Do you have some reason to believe that the wines consumed by the Romanovs in 1850 were similar to the ones being produced today? Because I tend to assume that pretty much any wine that isn't made in an ultra-indigenous style (like that Qvevri wine from Georgia) is going to have changed quite a bit over a few hundred years for a variety of reasons, inb4 404

>>12930995
It's probably different, for sure, but the grape varieties and climate are the same, and the winemaking is often still pretty traditional. Chapoutier for instance is biodynamic (so the farming techniques are not far removed from what they were back then), and still uses primarily older, larger casks for fermentation and aging (in this case 600L demi-muids, only 10% new). I'm not trying to say they're 100% the same thing as back then but they're still made in a certain style and using varieties and methods that are similar if not the same. Also clay amphorae/qvevri and such are from WAY before the time of the Romanovs, wine making 150 years ago wasn't so different from now as that (although I do get that it's just an example).

Looking to pick up Kooyong Massale Pinot Noir because it's on sale and for some reason I remember the name. Also Mount Pleasant Blue Label Semillion because it's also on sale and I want to try some semillion. I'll grab them tonight because I like to keep a cache of 3 wines at home for unexpected dinner parties (read: D&D).
I'm holding onto a Wolfblass Grey Label Shiraz because I tasted a delicious 7 year old bottle, but I'm cheap so I bought a newer one and intend to sit on it.
I tried a Levantine Hill 2015 Melissa's Paddock Syrah recently. Beautiful. $200.

>>12931069
>Kooyong Massale
That sounds suspiciously Australian

>>12931163
The aborigines are famed for their ancient wine making techniques, I wouldn't worry about it.
You don't like new world wine?

>>12931222
I fucking hate the vanilla smell of new world pinot noir. Even when they say it's "minimally oaked", I get one whiff and it makes me gag. Australia, NZ, and ZA are just all around writeoffs as far as I'm concerned. It's always "oh it's not all yellow tail", well sure, but that doesn't mean it's good. Sorry.

I like SOME zinfandels from California, sonoma and santa cruz AVA. Fuck their pinot noir with a flaming MIRV and fuck the lodi zins, and most of the "napa zins" which I am fairly certain are made of trucked in lodi fruit and just relabeled fraudulently. Finger Lakes makes good gewurtz, riesling, pinot gris, gamay, and pinot noir. It's hit or miss, but when it's good it punches above its weight price wise.

South america can be good if you can avoid the bargain-basement stuff. I can't remember the name but it was a whole cluster PN concrete-tank fermented, never touched oak, from chile. Honestly that's how the stuff should be made. I don't know what the obsession with oaking PN is all about, it ruins it. I guess it's alright if you use neutral and I mean FUCKING NEUTRAL oak but only French people seem to know how to do that.

I also like torrontes.

>>12931260
I love oaked pinot noir. If you get the balance right you have achieved perfection. The bottle I mentioned is almost certainly oaked.

Been drinking a lot of Smoking Loon and Apothic lately because I refuse to pay more than $15 for a bottle of wine. It's bretty good.

>>12932233
I won't pay more than $10 unless I'm really feeling like an asshole. Reggae Red is my go-to.

Any suggestions for regions making good Cabernet Sauvignon that's not ridiculously overoaked or overextracted and won't rape my wallet?

>>12931222
naw man they're ancestry can be traced back to finding beer in the dream-times

>>12930955
New pour: Radikon Oslavje 2005, an orange wine from Friuli on the Italy-Slovenia border. Genuinely crazy good, easily my favorite orange wine I've tried thus far, better even than Gravner's Breg Anfora.

>>12931163
YEEEAHHHH gtfo its my turn ta drink from the sac ya know yeahnahyeahnah gotta git meself sum fairy bread first und a fookin pie!

>>12932648
Radikon's wines are incredible but they're definitely contenders for the 'ugliest labels in all winemaking' award.

>>12930503
Any and everything from bogle. Good price for a table wine and very tasty.
Currently sipping their Sauvignon blanc

How do you get into wine? I've never really had any non shit quality wine, so where should I start?

>>12932932
which country you in?

>>12932943
burger, more specifically Boston

>>12932951
Ah well Im kangaroo land so the taxes on alch is fucking ridiculous so price difference might be a problem. Something decent costs around 20$30 here so id probably expect 10$20 over your way.

Just out of curiosity; one of pic related costs more than 40$, how much are they over your place?

Now as for taste; what kind of pallate flavours do you prefer? something strong with a kick, or subtle and barely there?

Alcohol is not food related, reported.

>>12932986
An here I was, thinking summer was over.

Either way fuck off back to fortnite

>>12932991
Fortnite is yesterday's news, boomer. Try to keep up.

>>12932991
Should weed threads be allowed simply because it can be used in cooking?

>>12932995
not a bad thought... Im sure people have some good recipes. But it it devolves into a DUDE thread then it would be no. Its like those old al/ck threads, less disscusion about booze and more blogging about how their livers hurt. So I mean a genuine weed used in cooking thread could be pretty good. It's just the quality of the content that would determine if it belongs in /ck/

>>12932932
>>12932951
>How do you get into wine?
Why do people always ask this question about wine and not about other drinks?
>but what if I don't like it?
Then don't drink it.
>how will I know what I'll like?
When you drink it, you'll know.

Wine isn't a parlor trick where you impress strangers with your command of trivia and foreign words. It's not "the price is right". You're the kind of person who posts penn & teller shit about how it's all a libtard hoax to make them feel uncultured because they spent 400 hours googling before buying their first bottle of wine and it didn't live up to their expectations.

>adult male
>is satisfied from just 1 750ml bottle of wine
Who here /bigboy/ and only gets 1.5 liter bottles?

>mfw wanted to stop buying Belgian blond ale and try getting plastered off wine instead
>gf loves old reds so look for some in store
>end up buying a 2001 Bordeaux supérieur for 5€
I had never realized that here in France, Grands Crus are basically cheaper than beer.
How much does old,good wine cost in America?

>>12933306
>Why do people always ask this question about wine and not about other drinks?
Not him, but people do ask that about other drinks. However usually there's a good 4 or 5 popular entry points for other drinks.
It's not like that with wine as far as I can tell. There's so many on the market with a huge variety of styles that I'm paralysed by choice, I don't even know where to start.

>>12933404
>stop buying Belgian blond ale and try getting plastered off wine instead
why?

>>12930503
>wine thread
>generic stock image of wine
>this is becoming a recurring thing
>general
>mcchicken thread #254634354526
First of all, there hasn't been a mcchicken thread in probably 6 months. The new shit post is e-celeb spam. Secondly, you can't just make a general without posting any OC yourself. Thirdly, /ck/ is honestly too poor to have a wine general.

>>12933414
Well for one it's nicer to share a bottle of wine during dinner rather than beer cans. Also because you need less in order to get tipsy. Not saying I'm ditching ale though, just wanted to spice our alcohol habits a bit

I can google it but could someone here slap up a quick and dirty of their glossary for describing how a wine tastes?

Every red wine ever seems to be "full bodied".

>>12933493
like pic related?

>>12933493
>Every red wine ever seems to be "full bodied".
Pro tip: if a wine bottle has a review of itself on the label it’s going to be yet another oaky fruit bomb aimed at plebs. This is why people say all wine tastes the same, they go for whatever has an eye catching name that’s easy to pronounce and has an animal on the front

>>12932981
750ml Russian standard is like $19 lol

>>12933404
Larger wine shops sometimes discount lower to mid range wines that are reaching the end of their optimum drinking window. You can expect maybe 25% off the RRP in such cases. For a while I was sucking down bottles of just past its prime langhe wines for a song and dance. Bordeaux and rhones people will just buy blindly because they heard it’s good, so those are less often found like that but it’s not unheard of.. more often for frog wines you see it with stuff that should not have much age, especially loire reds, but sometimes you will find a languedoc wine that’s pretty old going for very little

>>12933629
Sure, that's good. Now I just gotta translate what I feel on my tongue palette with the words correctly.

>>12933650
I might be guilty of liking oaky fruit bombs for sure but the label and name isn't what I go for, consciously at least. Around here all the wine sold has a independent description of smell, taste and food pairings on the shelf so I just tend to pick something with similar description of wines I've liked before.

I think it was a Zinfadel that had "less tannins" that I tried on a whim but it was godawful atrocious. Just as bad as low alcohol wines.

>>12933493
What the hell do you need a glossary for?
If someone says a red wine is jammy, obviously that means it's overly sweet and tastes of indistinguishable red berries.
If someone says they're picking up notes of raisin and apricot, it tastes like raisin and apricot.

>>12930503
I pretty much only buy wine to cook with, but will drink what doesn't get thrown in the sauce. Mostly reds. This is my favorite one. I'm not fancy.

Bought some wines to cellar the other day:

2013 Roberto Sarotto Barbaresco Riserva
Nebbiolo - Piedmont, Italy
Was invited to a tasting by the winemaker's son. Their wines weren't too exciting but very good value. The Barbaresco was the most elegant of the wines on tasting and from a great vintage in the Langhe.

2015 Monchiero Barolo
Nebbiolo - Piedmont, Italy
Dark, rich and chocolatey. Lots of dead roses. Had this at another tasting of mainly wines from Alto Piemonte (up north) even though this is a more southern wine, but that's what I was in the mood for.

2017 Pierre Gonon Les Iles Feray
Syrah - Ardeche, France
Haven't tried this wine but one of my colleagues was impressed by its elegance and complexity (also I'm kinda into her even though she's taken). I generally like wines from the northern Rhone and this is just outside that.

2015 Cantina del Signore Il Puto Gattinara
Nebbiolo (Spanna in local dialect) - Piedmont, Italy
More red fruited and light bodied than wines from down south, this was a lot of fun at tasting. Still has that very strong Nebbiolo tannin though.

How do you all even choose good wines to purchase? Where do you even begin?

>>12933759
Go to a good wine store. You can tell that a place is good if they've actually put effort into the place and the sales reps are keen to help you.

Also let them help you as much as possible and give them as much information as possible about what you like. The vast majority of people who work in wine shops want to help you out and they are dying to talk to someone who's curious about wine.

>>12933759
Buy a bottle and drink it.

>>12933766
How can I tell a real wine nerd from someone who's just flexing their sales instincts?

>>12933836
I mean sales reps won't say negative things about wines they stock ever (unless they're bad reps), but you can tell someone's a douchebag just by how they're talking about something. Ask yourself if they sound like a car salesman or a real estate agent or someone who's actually interested in what they're selling.

Plus if you ask them what they like they're more likely to show you well priced wines rather than something that's potentially overpriced.

I really don't think sales reps are encouraged to upsell anyway and most people in wine are truly passionate about it.

>>12933854
Well alright

What do you usually look for in a wine? I've been thinking about a good red or two but I haven't had much beyond the odd Shiraz.

>>12933836
If they say anything subjective with a sense of certainty they’re probably not too trustworthy unless you’ve previously established a connection and you have reason to assume they know what you like and don’t like

Reminder that “tastes like (something that isn’t wine)” is not subjective, I’m talking about good vs bad

From all the bottles ITT, which one do you reckon is the better tasting one?
The most expensive one?

>>12933878
I tend to like fuller bodied whites and lighter reds.

I prefer wines with less alcohol, less oak influence and less extraction for red wines (time spent on skins) and more extraction for white wines.

I'm from Australia but I prefer old world wines/old world winemaking styles. I'm a fan of Syrah (same grape as Shiraz) but Syrah in the Australian context implies cooler climate and more delicate wines made from the same grape.

>>12933900
Impossible to tell by price and appearance, but I there's a general correlation between good labels/higher prices and good wine. There are outliers though.

>>12933759
>buy French bottle
>
>profit

>>12933916
>Impossible to tell by price and appearance
What about the soil, age and nationality?

>>12933903
>I'm from Australia
Noice, same.
>less alcohol, less oak influence and less extraction for red wines (time spent on skins)
So more fruity or something? I'm guessing full bodied reds are a bit much for your taste.
>I'm a fan of Syrah
I've mostly just heard it called a Shiraz whenever someone actually gives me a glass, do those have two different meanings on the shelf?
>old world wines/old world winemaking styles
I thought a lot of our styles were basically just adaptations of old world styles anyway?

>>12932648
Only had Slatnik and it was so good I had to buy a bottle. Very keen to try the others. Good thing I can get them on discount from work.

>>12932672
I disagree. They're nothing special, but they could be worse. They do sort of look like Windows XP-era graphics.

>>12933938
Unless you're drinking wines from soil that's wholly unsuitable for growing vines on or drinking wine before it's fully fermented, none of those variables are the most important.

Arguably the most important variable is the skill of the grower, followed by the skill of the winemaker. Even the best sites will produce average wines if he grower and winemaker are shite.

>>12933946
>So more fruity or something?
Not necessarily, just lighter in body without oak flavours.

>I'm guessing full bodied reds are a bit much for your taste.
I don't drink them that often, no, but I still enjoy them.

>do those have two different meanings on the shelf?
Shiraz usually means hotter climate or more traditional Australian winemaking. Most Australians have never heard of Syrah.

>I thought a lot of our styles were basically just adaptations of old world styles anyway?
They are, but in general with more ripeness, alcohol, oak influence and extraction for red wines. Also new world wines are generally more fruity than old world iterations.

>>12933005
so, no one can discuss legit hobbies and interests because retarded shitposters gonna shitpost?
by that logic, the only valid threads would be about fast food and eggfort webms

CHEAP WHITE WINE FOR COLLEGE THAT STILL TASTES GOOD

WHAT IS ________?

>>12933306
People ask it all the time in beer and coffee threads. The difference with those is you can mask bad coffee with cream and sugar, and most decent beer is around 2$ a bottle vs. 15+ with wine, so the price point makes it seem a little risky to just toss around and hope for the best

I haven't recognized a single wine mentioned in these threads since forever. I'm not a huge wine enthusiast so I might just have a limited scope. I'll type out a few I've had recently and maybe some of you might have seen em? I'm curious what you might think about my selection. It's only dry red wines in 1-5 year range from various countries. Just made me realize I should try to get some older ones if they didn't cost a lot here.

Alma do Tejo (blend)
Q (malbec)
Villarini (Nero d'Avola)
MV Bonarda (Bonarda)
Sister's Run old testament (C. Sauvignon)
Lindeman's Gentleman's collection (Shiraz)
Fox Creek, Red Baron (Shiraz)
The Great Bonza (Shiraz Cabarnet)
Barone Montalto (Nero d'Avola Passivento)
Domaine Lalande Reserva (Merlot)
Yellow Tail (C. Sauvignon)
I Crinali (Appassimento)
Amarone Della Vapoliciella, Mezzo Monte (Corvina, corvinone & rondinella) *A favorite

>>12933996
Are there any particular winemakers that you'd recommend (off the top of your head) for Syrah or any of those old world style lighter reds that are easy to find here?
Are there any local producers that match in quality?

>>12934027
I haven't tried any of those wines sorry. Since my goon drinking days I haven't been buying wines at such a low price point. I'd recommend spending more if you can afford to.

>>12934029
What's your price point? Australian Syrah is not easy to find unless you can find a good bottle shop.

>>12934009
what is franzia pinot?

>>12934045
>What's your price point?
Probably anything up to about $60 I guess. I don't know how pricey these are meant to be

>>12934101
Bobar and Luke Lambert make some pretty good Syrah for about $35-$45. Check them out if you can find them.

>>12934121
Cheers.

Is there any particular reason there aren't more vineyards in the south going for this?

>>12934144
Because Australia is hot and sunny, so they’ll naturally prefer to make wine that tastes like warm smuckers jam with a shot or three of smirnoff

>>12934144
>Is there any particular reason there aren't more vineyards in the south going for this?
Because even though it's fashionable, most consumers still want traditional Australian Shiraz.

>>12933759

Vivino

USE THIS ROOKIES

3.7+ is a great buy

>>12934144
Because big, jammy shiraz is guaranteed sales, even now.

>>12934775
>>12934796
Don't care if Vivino shills but the app is pretty useful at the very least for tracking prices and getting tasting notes. Seems though that a lot of stuff is ranked relatively high when it shouldn't be, there have been a number of wines rated between like 3.5 and 4 that were fucking drainpours. I get subjective opinions and all but no one at the wine tasting liked it at all

Wine is a meme. If you buy anything other than Yellowtail or Barefoot, you're a schmuck.

Drinking this shit. Can't normally stand wine but I like this.

>>12935131
I switched phones and vivino fucked up years worth of pictures and notes. Fuck that app.

Whats the babys first sangria/ most cost effective thats not a box. Ive had yellow tail and some other bottles brought to house parties but havent found one thats clicked with me price and flavor wise.

>>12933667
you're lying! No way it would be that cheap!

TELL ME YOUR LYING! WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF!?

>>12936266
make your own, duh

>>12936396
What does it cost on shitpost island?

>>12936404
see
>>12932981
Taxes here are fucking INSANE. same for tabacco

had this the other day for the first time because I like his movies
wasn't bad for a $15 bottle of wine

I've never made wassail before, or whatever you want to call brandy + fruit + spice. I want to make some for family events this winter and I want to start nailing a recipe now. Does anyone have suggestions on a good starting place for a semisweet wassail where the bite is even between the brandy and the spices? Looking online I see a lot of recipes that are like "use super fruity brandy and then fuck it with cloves" and others have basically 0 cloves or allspice and just use a bunch of cinnamon. Idk I just don't know where to start so looking for someone who's made it before

>>12935131
I really don't trust anything around the 3.5-3.7 mark because usually are mediumly priced wines that are inflated by plebs who never really went above anything in that tier
unless it's fucking cheap, that is
from 3.7 and upwards the rating tends to be more consistent and trustworthy

who /ArgieMalbec/ here?

>>12934009
Soave
unless you like sweet, then auslese riesling

>>12934173
You'd think that Australians would like acidic, refreshing wines due to the climate. Things are actually heading in that direction, but traditionally people just usually drink what grows nearest to them.

>>12930503
>overpriced spoilt grape juice that destroys your liver
no thanks

>>12937576
The alcohol prevents spoilage, idiot.

>>12937580
alcohol is the result of spoiling, duh

>>12937585

>>12936705

based

>wine thread
>aussies partake in civil discussion without a single shitpost
what is happening?
also, bump

Barefoot wine is delicious

>>12939667
you mean patero?
it's an excellent mixer for sangria

>>12930586
Imagine that beast on top of that little chick, she'd be crushed. She really looks like she needs to be rescued.

Why aren't you folk enjoying the aromas and flavors of Phuyuck wine?

>>12936705
literally me. /ArgieMalbec/ is all I do these days

>>12940210
I remember the first time I saw a monster rape hentai and thinking I really don’t need this fetish

>>12940892
what's in the cellar?
I'm currently stocking on that salentein which came out really good and trying to get my hands around some animal or maybe even a doña paula reserve
they are surprisingly smooth and don't taste like sucking on a piece of charred oak

>>12939644
C'est le vin

>>12933306
You sound like a fucking faggot.

>>12942345
Thanks, you seem very cultured too.

>>12932648
Based

>>12939644
I mean I would, but no one has appalling taste here.

>>12942766
There's plenty of appalling taste in this thread, I'm just trying to be a good boy and not go 4chan antisocial autist on them. That may change if the thread stops getting bumped because there's nothing left to lose.

>>12942767
I mean there's basic bitch taste here but no one is showing of their stupid Napa Cabs and house Champagne.

So I have a few wines as old as myself or older found in my parents house. Probably nothing special, but would it be safe to drink them?

22 btw

>>12942889
What are they? How were they stored?

They're probably absolutely safe but they might taste terrible.

>>12942894
In a cupboard above the fridge In the kitchen. Along with them was an ancient bottle of baileys and briefly a bottle of brandy I put there when I found them.

Oh and they’re mostly reds with a couple of whites I think. I can get pictures of them if you want

>>12942900
>I can get pictures of them if you want
Sure, why not.

It's fine to store them there if the temperature in your kitchen is constant throughout the year, but I'm guessing it probably isn't. They might be ok if they haven't been subjected to much heat or the temperature change has been gradual.

>>12942919
Well as gradual as cooking and the ac dying in summer.

Also I was wrong, a few are almost as old as I am, and the big one at the end is the only one older than I am (not sure if it was bottled 1984 or 1996, you’ll see) has some stuff on the back ima post

>>12942937
Keeping this bottle when/ if I drink it

>>12942942
I don't know any of those wines as I'm Australian and we hardly get any US wine out here.

If I were you though I'd probably drink them all ASAP.

>>12942949
I’ve been thinking of cooking with them, but that is of course an option as well

>>12933306
Alcoholic cuck

>>12942770
>MMHHHAAAAAA the frenchampagne