/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>12800767
decaffeinated coffee is coffee?

Forgot link to old thread >>>12764124

>>12800774
Defcaffinated coffee is akin to non-alcohol beer. Pointless.

>>12800767
Are the Ninja coffee maker legit, my girlfriend and I love coffee and she's been eying on the ninja coffee maker, we usually go from French press to normal coffee brew, to pour over or moka pots, but we aren't coffee snobs. Sometimes we are but sometimes creamer or milk always do the trick.

What are some /ctg/ approved coffee machines?

>>12800767
I have a chemex and a cheaper espresso machine at home and usually lean towards light roasts. Dark roast if it's late or with a cigarette.

I unfortunately go to local cafes way too much. GF and I go out to breakfast at least once a week at a great shop that has coffee from the best roaster in my state and really comfy food. Second favorite shop is on the iffy side of town is a Roaster/Cafe where my friends and I get a french press or two and smoke on the patio all night

>inb4 that robusta faggot

>>12800800
facts

Why did mods delet OP image?

Mhmmm. Loving the Burnt Black Coffee. ***SIIIPPP***

>>12800841
Because jannies hate fun

Bialetti Brikka with pressure valve. Best stove top espresso in the world. With Lavazza espresso grinds. All from Itali like my momma meatball used to make!!!

>>12800849
Here's the OP image in case anyone was wondering. Pls don't b&

For me it's robusta! I like to stir my sludgey coffee around with a stick of charcoal to really bring out the flavor

I ran out of filters for my drip. What can i use?

>>12800881
You can't post loli outside of /b/ dumbass

>>12800847
Your not him faggot.

>>12801122
Fuggg, iz i b&?

>>12800767
Made my coffee this time with lavazza classico and just a pinch of rose water. Pretty good. Forgot the cardamon though.

>>12801378
>cardamon
Gonna try that tomorrow. Sounds gud

>>12801386
A little goes a long way usually.

>>12801394
About how much? Half a pod for a pot?

>>12801399
It really depends on how fresh or aromatic the cardamon is. My experience with cardamon is to start with less, then adjust from there.

Found a 60 dollar espresso maker on Amazon by Sowtech. Does anybody know why it's so cheap? I'm in the market for one but don't know what I'm looking for. I want to just grab a cheap one that isn't too fancy.

I'd link it but the spam filter is being a bitch

>>12800812
i'm still here ya fucking simp. kys. guess what? nobody is going to buy the robusta or pic related, because neither company ship outside the uk. now fuck off.

For me it's French Press, the best method of brewing coffee

>>12801949
Probably because it’s not a real espresso machine. Literally just buy an aero press instead

>>12802135
>Not real
How so?

>>12802336
Needs to get up to around 9 bar pressure to extract espresso, machines like that use pressurized baskets and basically just make concentrated coffee. You get the same effect with something like aero and a super fine grind with a high ratio of coffee to water, plus it’s cheaper and won’t break after a month of use.

>>12802008
I missed you charcoal anon. How do you injest your robusta? I have this image of you snacking on them straight from the bag

Been working on a roast profile for a really nice Colombia Yacuanceur (washed caturra) over the last few days.

The overall profile is quite fast to build pressure and maintain clarity and citric and malic acids. Around 7.5-8 minutes total. The main thing I am working on is development time. Up until today I found that 40s post first crack was giving me the results I wanted. Today I tried 30s post crack. So far I prefer it slightly less, as it is slightly less sweet without any real increase that i am noticing to clarity or pleasant acid.

My typical brewing (non cupping) setup is to use the bonavita steep-and-release brewer with 15g coffee ground very fine (smaller than table salt) or around 2 o'clock on my ek43 (don't have the burrs touching at finest setting, but if I did then it would be around 12 o'clock) with 96c water at 100:35 gh:kh. I dump 250g water in quite quickly, let steep for 3 minutes, and release without ever stirring.

>>12800803
There are very few brewers that achieve proper brew temperatures. Look into the Bonavita 1500 or 1800 ranges depending on your desired batch size, as these are the least costly of the bunch.

>>12801949
It's not really an espresso machine. The unfortunate truth is that you will be greatly compromising your espresso quality unless you are willing to spend around 1200usd (for the breville 1920xl) or more on the machine, and at least a few hundred on a grinder (Ideally you'd find a used flat burr grinder and fix it up, or just grab a breville smart grinder pro - I promise I don't work for breville, they just happen to do some things very well and cost effectively, though they do use a lot of plastic parts). If you aren't willing to do that, you are much better off finding a good cafe and going there for espresso and making your own coffee at home.

I'll be checking into this thread now and then, so feel free to ask me any coffee related questions and I'll do my best to help.

>>12802450
it's all gone m8. i enjoyed it.

>>12802135
Imagine being this dumb. Bet you're the lido poster.

>>12802401
How much would a good maker run me? Any brand tips?

>>12803094
Get a flair with the pressure gauge and a good grinder. Learn how your variables effect flavor before you shop for an upgrade. The upgrade will be for convenience, not better coffee.

>>12802682
Can you elaborate or do you just like flinging shit for no reason?
>>12803094
Again you can go the flair route if you REALLY need home espresso like>>12803180 says, or just get an aero press/French press/v60 for like $30 bucks and have great coffee daily without the headache and effort. A good espresso machine will run at least $1000 and you’ll need a good grinder to use it too.

>>12803366
You're comparing a $30 aeropress that hits .6bar to a $160 machine that easily does 10bar. If you want great coffee daily without headache and effort, go to a cafe. If you want the best $400 you can spend, get a nice handgrinder and a scratch and dent flair(knocks enough off the price to get the gauge. Now if anyone actually knows what the fuck they're talking about, point me in the right direction to a homebuild fluid bed roaster. I've an old primus campstove in great condition, heard moonshiners really like them because they hold consistent temp.

>>12803180
>160 dollars for a glorified juice press
Jesus Christ why has China not made 30 dollar versions of this

>>12803389
Okay I’m not claiming aeropress makes espresso, I’m saying it makes good coffee... and I even suggested getting the flair as well if he really wanted espresso, I was saying not to get the shitty 3 bar “espresso maker” why are you such a cunt?

>>12803389
And you know what, because I like you guys heres all the coffee books off redacted. Lemme know if theres a problem with the links.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/246783431613087745/613043254606168064/Illy__Viani_-_Espresso_Coffee_the_Science_of_Quality.pdf

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/246783431613087745/613043227397849089/The_Coffee_Roasters_Companion_9781495118197.epub

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/246783431613087745/613043159819354199/DIY_Coffee_-_Mark_Frauenfelder.epub

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/246783431613087745/613043105981005840

/The_Coffee_Dictionary_An_A-Z_of_Coffee_From_Growing_Roasting_to_Brewing_Tasting_9781452166780.epub

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/246783431613087745/613042978071642125/Clarke_-_Coffee_Volume_1_-_Chemistry.pdf

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/246783431613087745/613043017867067402/Clarke_-_Coffee_Volume_2_-_Technology.pdf

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/246783431613087745/613042992588128266/The_Various_Flavors_of_Coffee_9780553905663.epub

>>12803403
>You get the same effect with something like aero and a super fine grind with a high ratio of coffee to water, plus it’s cheaper and won’t break after a month of use.

Like you even say you need 9+bar for espresso then say you can just do it with .6 on an aeropress.

>>12803414
Again, dumbfuck, the comparison is to a “sow tech” follow the replies

>>12803391
Lemme know when they do and I'll buy one for the whole thread.

>>12802512
It was an honest question roboosta fag

>>12803389
Get a popcorn popper (ideally a poppery 1) and grab one of these https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00QLH8530/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 and wire it into the heating element circuit. You could also mod the fan circuit, but you don't need to. Then get an arduino, a k type thermocouple, a thermocouple breakout board, and wire that shit into arduino. You can then write a bit of code for arduino and python and hook that shit up to artisan. Boom, fluid bed roaster that can log the roast data.

>>12803440
Very fucking clutch anon. I've been slogging through page after page of homeroasters looking for builds to steal. I can knock out your build like, as soon as a poppery ships from ebay. I haven't fucked with arduino but I literally have a stack of pi zero w's laying around. I'll do some more digging.

>>12803414
Not the guy you are replying to, but it almost seems like you are avoiding a lot of information to try to hold onto your point. Maybe not.

Here is what you might be missing:
The "espresso machine" the first guy is asking about is a junky machine that falls short in a number of ways:
>3.5 bars of max pressure
Honestly, the least of its problems, as the whole "9 bars" is just nonsense. For example, I use a La Marzocco Linea PB nearly daily, and it is set to about 5.5bar of pressure - this gives the best results consistently for our current coffee and recipe, and definitely produces espresso as anyone would expect.
>shitty pressurized portafilter
Here is a real issue. These require a much coarser grind size than a normal portafilter. This will lead to a coffee that is either very under extracted, or one with a much higher volume of liquid than an espresso.
>most likely absolutely terrible build quality
Will break down fast
>no temperature control
Going to make consistency near impossible.
I'm sure there are probably more issues

The reasons he would have suggested an aeropress instead:
>cheaper
>won't break
>will produce much tastier coffee consistently
>can still make something about as close to espresso as the machine in question, in that neither will make espresso, but both can achieve a strong small coffee
>aeropress can also be used as a conventional coffee brewer

From that angle, that he suggested the aeropress as an alternative makes plenty of sense.

>>12803465
Yeah, not sure why this kind of build isn't easier to find. I ended up putting it off for months because the build I was going to copy would take more work and cost around 300 bucks.

A few things to note:
3mm thermocouple diameter is probably ideal as it will last a long time, but is very responsive.
Roast profiles from drum roasters are not really translatable to fluid bed roasting. They usually start with a high charge temp, then no gas for 1 minute, then the highest gas setting they will use. After 60% or so of the roast they start to step down. In a popper, it's nearly the opposite. Low charge temp, low heat setting. Slowly ramp up, then leave it flat around 80% of the way to your finish temp. All that airflow makes heat transfer a lot more aggressive. Also means you can roast faster without scorching and tipping, which means you can get really solid development from faster and lighter roasts. I'm only about 60 batches and 3 weeks in, so who knows what I'll find out. Did a brief stint doing some drum roasting and research a while back, but production roasting is absolute boredom.

>>12803482
The cheapest grinder I'd pair with an aeropress would be like a knock. It doesn't make sense to spend $160 on a half decent burr grinder for a $30 aeropress. It does however make sense to spend $30 on a v60 or aeropress after you've crossed the initial barrier to entry. For ~$450 you can snag a decent manual lever espresso machine, a BIFL hand grinder of your choice, AND a v60/aeropress.
>>12803465
And looks like if you happen to have access to a soldering iron, you can add on $50 and set up a sweet little roaster.

>>12803512
I'm just looking to do maybe 1lb batches. Figured I can drop a little more cash and have christmas presents solved for years to come while saving on my own costs.

>>12803562
Ah, going to have to find a different route than a popper. Poppers are going to max around 100g batches. Maybe look into the Fresh Roast range? I think the 700 can do larger batches.

>>12803588
Oh 100grams is no biggie. That would be perfect to keep fresh coffee around the house and I don't mind spending a little time roasting several batches to gift out. Will the poppery 2 work just fine? Thats all I'm seeing on ebay

>>12803651
The Poppery I is a 1500 Watt model. The Poppery II is a 1200 Watt model. The Poppery I uses a universal AC/DC motor, while the Poppery II used a DC brush motor with a bridge rectifier (to convert the AC to DC). Having the 300 extra Watts will allow this popper to reach higher temperatures and the induction motor of the Poppery I is easier to control with the components chosen for this project!

https://www.instructables.com/id/Build-a-Controllable-Coffee-Roaster-from-an-Air-Po/

>>12803708
>https://www.instructables.com/id/Build-a-Controllable-Coffee-Roaster-from-an-Air-Po/
Heh, that is the build I was referring to that made me put off building it for months.

I can't say for sure that wiring up that 2000watt dimmer to the poppery 2 would work the same as it does for the 1, but I don't see why not. The wattage difference is probably not really important either, as the max heater wattage that I use at any time is well below the max the poppery 1 can reach.

May be worth grabbing whatever you can find for cheap from a second hand store just to see if it works. Most reports I've heard from people using unmodded modern poppers have them complaining about roasting too fast - meaning they have plenty of heat to work with.

If I had decided to go the simple route from the start, that's what I would have done, but I had already bought the poppery 1 months ago with the intent to do that instructables build.

>>12803755
https://www.sweetmarias.com/nostalgia-electric-popcorn-popper.html

$28 shipped for a modifiable popper + 4lbs of beans. Gotta do it.

>>12803549
>it doesn’t make sense to spend $160 on a half decent burr grinder for a $30 aeropress.
The grinder is for your coffee, not the aeropress. The “initial barrier to entry” IS the grinder because it will necessarily determine how far you can push whatever brewer you choose. It doesn’t, however, make any sense to spend $450 on a flair AND an aeropress as I assume the reason anon is looking at a cheap machine in the first place is because he can’t afford to drop several hundred dollars on coffee equipment.

>>12803876
If you can't afford the tools for your(generic you) hobbies/addictions, stop for a month or two.

>All this weed I'm smoking is costing me a fortune, but I can't afford a vaporizer
>stop smoking for a month

You'll be much happier with the right tools. Aeropress is for poors. You should be uplifting your fellow anons, not sabotaging their progression.

>>12803943
It’s legitimately a great brewer, I don’t understand why you’re opposed to it

Do you guys hand grind or use an electric grinder? I am getting tired of hand grinding my beans but shitty grinders can't get the coarse grind I want

>>12803954
Its an ok brewer if you've already spent $180 on a grinder or picked one up secondhand for $120.

>>12804006
Can you give reasoning behind your posts?

>>12804025
It makes SLIGHTLY better coffee than a Mr. Coffee from the 70s? The only thing the .6 bar peak pressure does is slightly swirl your grinds and get a few more grams of water in your cup?

>>12803828
Yeah, that's a steal. Good luck on the roasting my dude

>>12804004
I promise you that you are grinding too coarse.

You'd get a comparable cup running your grinds through a normal paper filter and then squeezing out the remaining water.

>>12804054
>>12804117
I think the appeal to the aeropress is the level of control you have. Want a 30 second brew with ultra fine coffee? you can do it. Want a 10 minute brew that's paper filtered? You can do it. Want something really concentrated? you can do that too.

The filters are also cheap, and it's robust. There is nothing magic about it, but it does give you a lot of control.

With that said, I haven't used mine in years. I either do a cupping style brew, skim the top, and use a big ol syringe to pull the desirable liquid out, or use a steep n release, or use a bonavita 1800ts to make a bigger batch.

If I were going to recommend a brewing device for an interested enthusiast, I would recommend an aeropress. For someone who just wants an easy way to make good coffee at home? Steep n release, either bonavita or clever dripper. If the budget is the main issue, I'd say buy a grinder and brew cupping style right in a cup and then either spoon it out or slowly poor it.

>>12804054
Do you hate French press as well? Because AP can match that kind of brew and more, now I know you’re being a pretentious gatekeeper.

>>12804112
I suspect I have been and I keep tightening my hand grinder as I go

Anybody have a KRUPS Burr grinder? Opinions on it?

>>12804150
Its all subjective, but yes. Lel @ gatekeeping, me and another anon are talking about modding $20 airpoppers rather than buying flattops. To the pooranon trying to jump into dece coffee, snag the lido3 off coffeeswap and go from there.

>>12804510
Start at table salt size, go from there.

>>12804589
>You'll be much happier with the right tools. Aeropress is for poors. You should be uplifting your fellow anons, not sabotaging their progression.
that’s pretentious gatekeeping, acting like your “superior taste” is objective fact.

>>12805996
Making good coffee cheap and making cheap coffee good are two entirely separate things. If you're trying to send the guy down the cheap coffee good route, he's better off making illy moka sludge over dropping $200 on a grinder+aeropress. If you're trying to make good coffee cheap, theres an initial hurdle to climb. And yeah, my palate is better than yours. You'll have to come to terms with this on your own.

>>12800803
Injecting black people speak into anime should be a crime

>>12806048
You’ve already proven you’re full of shit and don’t know what you’re talking about, pretentious fuck.

>>12806048
>he's better off making illy moka sludge over dropping $200 on a grinder+aeropress
That's actually the opposite of reality. You'd be so much better off getting a good grinder and cheap brewer than to... buy "illy moka sludge"

You can get quite good results from the number of good quality grinders that sell for under 200. Lido, Breville smart grinder pro, aerogrind, handground, etc. Tons of options to make coffee 80% as well as someone with an ek43 and whatever brewer you want, and a few orders of magnitude better than preground illy and a mr coffee.

>>12801067
Paper towels.

>>12806271
Projecting. You don't need to get upset because you enjoy cheap coffee. Some people suck cock nightly and we usually let them be

>>12806612
Yeah I mean I thought it was implied with my good coffee cheap/cheap coffee good segue that I'm on the side of spending the cash. 'Buy a grinder' and 'buy an aeropess' are very different pieces of advice when the guy is trying to buy amazon junk on impulse. How many impulse buys do you think the aeropress has been a part of?

>>12807520
I spend more on the coffee itself and use pour over as well... you talk so much shit for no reason

>>12807846
>Hario skerton and an aeropress

lel

>>12807990
>I’m better than you because I spend a lot of money on toys
I promise you don’t know as much as you’re pretending to

>there's a coffee general
Neato. Should have lurked more.

Do you anons by chance have any recommendations for burr grinders? I'm doing some research into them but I've read that some can be mess when unloading the grounds (or just get straight up jammed), are somewhat expensive and even inconsistent if you buy the cheap ones.

>>12808180
add a tiny bit of water to the bean hopper when you put the beans in. baratza encore if north america, wilfa svart if europe.

>>12808222
Yeah I've read up on those two. I guess the Baratza are that good then, huh? I've read up on those and people seem to like them. However, any chance for a cheaper rec like the Capresso 560.01?

I did it today fags

I stopped being retarded enough to grind almost as fine as possible, and actually did a semi fine grind for my espresso and tamped it correctly. I could actually taste the sugary peaches in my ethiopian coffee, shit was tasty fags i need to be less retarded about espresso more often

>>12807990
Better than an ek43 and some shit coffee. I've had good tasting coffee from a blade grinder. I've had shit coffee from my ek43. Equipment is cool, but it's not as important as it is made out to be.

>>12808246
The baratza's are actually fairly overrated as far as grind quality goes. They do have excellent customer service though, and their higher end grinders are great. I would recommend the breville smart grinder pro over the encore. The capresso will have roughly the same grind quality as the encore.

>>12808586
>its nearly 200 USD

Fuck, yeah that's not happening anon. Sorry. If the Capresso has similar same grind quality to the Encore then I might just go for that, as the current blade grinder I'm used to isn't good for what we need it for.

>>12800767
>workplace got new 12k coffee machine
>uses the same beans and brewing temp as their old 3k machine
>coffee tastes the same
>mfw
At least the frother works.

>>12803407
Thanks a lot, anon.

>>12803407
Do you have any books that are good for absolute beginners? All I have is a french press but I'm seeing so much more information, like french press is for dark roasts and you should use a pour-over for lighter roasts. It all seems overwhelming.

>>12809031
You can make whatever you damned well please in a press, even tea.
It's just that pour-over can make a more delicate cup that might not overwhelm subtle flavors in a light roast provided you are patient and autistic enough to do it exactly right.

>>12809031
Best way to figure it out is just experiment.

Make sure you use good coffee, and good water (maybe ask the cafe you buy your coffee from if you can buy some of their filtered water to brew with). Then weigh out 10g of coffee into a number of cups/bowls that can hold 200g of water. Grind the coffee at different grind sizes, try very fine (table salt or even smaller) and go up to very coarse (kosher salt) and have a few in between. Pour 170g of just boiled water into each, wait 4 minutes, give it a little stir and skim the top. Wait 4 more minutes and use a spoon to take a little slurp of each. Pay attention to sweetness, acidity, and bitterness. See which one you like most. You can then use that grind setting, or a slightly coarser one if you are doing a larger batch, for french press. You can then try different coffees instead of different grind settings, and just use that grind setting that worked best.

Scott Rao has a good introductory book to coffee brewing, and Barista Hustle has a ton of beginner and advanced info for free online.

>>12809031
>>12809238

Yeah Rao's book is the only one too big for me to steal discord hosting. I've got it seeding on tpb if you guys need.

Is a Britta pitcher enough to bumfuck the terrible water I get in this rural shithole I live in? I'm starting to think my water is what's holding my coffee back. And I mean that I use one, but I don't think it's doing enough. Usually use a French press if that matters.

>>12809300
His roasting guide is seeded on tpb. Here's the professional barista's handbook.

https://www.mediafire.com/file/or17edupr36ls2x/381086450-The-Professional-Barista-s-Handbook.pdf/file