/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>12700197
Seriously, this crime deserve punishment almost as severe as adding cream.

>>12700197
Carbonara with double cream and frozen peas is delicious.

>>12700197
It's a magic trick done by that carbonara guy on tv

>>12700209
But that's not carbonara.

>>12700197
Here's my favorite Carbonara recipe:

https://youtu.be/KeGQ9jl0wJg

>>12700197
Very Based Vito image.
Hard F out of respect for Sonny.

>>12700203
>frozen
Anyway there is nothing wrong with using cream or peas in a sauce by Italian standards, just don't call that carbonara. Because it isn't.

>>12700217
Recipes evolve, anon

>>12700209
>tonkotsu with dashi broth and sesame oil is delicious
you see how when you replace/add completely different ingredients the dish stops being the dish you originally called it?

>>12700247
Stop. That's an entirely different recipe. Adding the cream just makes it a terrible Alfredo. It's not carbonara. Not debatable

I live in Japan and people here genuinely think that corn on pizza is delicious and some sort of hidden italian delicacy. People here are really fucking nuts about italian food but can never remotely cook anything like it. There are loads upon loads of "italian" restaurants here but when you go in it's always some weird fucking japanese ripoff where they fuck up all of the dishes by adding jap shit like raw squid and eel and shit to it and then they try to fucking play it off as "real italian food". It doesn't help that people here don't know what normal bread or cheese is. It's all fucking gross. I have not had any normal-tasting cheese in all the time I've lived here, and good bread is about as rare as a properly paid salaryman. These people are born on this island, they will live their whole lives on this island, and they will die on this island without ever tasting real bread or cheese in their life and that's just sort of sad. The worst part is that because no japanese person actually knows what real italian food is like, nobody can call restaurants out on this bullshit, everyone eats it all up and calls it "honto ni umaiiiii uwuwuwuwu" and everyone thinks this is what real italian food is like. It's just sad. "OOOOOhhhh rettsu addu fishu eggu andu seaweedu to pasta carbonara don't u kno this is how rearu itarian peeporu eat!!!". The worst part for me is that japan doesn't just massacre classic italian food like this, but they also do it with every other country's cuisine imaginable. French, spanish, mexican, turkish, you name it. They botch everything they come across as "wow foreign so cool" but it's never apparently fucking good enough unless they douse it in soy sauce and raw octopus to make it "authentic european" food. Don't get me wrong I love me some japanese food but fuck this country for ruining foreign food culture and fuck the people for being too retarded to not know what real food is like, even though they kind of can't help it, fuck em it's gross

>>12700244
>don't call that carbonara
Do yourself a favor and don't eat it either.

I knew someone who would layer rigatoni with mozz, pepperonis, off-brand Prego and call it "lasagna".

>>12700265
i thought really high-end japanese chefs were into travelling to italy and spending months/years studying le pasta and bringing it back to japan the right way? sure your average dink is gonna fuck everything up but i swear i’ve heard all the well-known famous chefs talk about how the best place to have italian food outside of italy is japan (as long as its a restaurant with multiple michelin stars or whatever)

>>12700265
not even in Toyko?

Similarly, I despise "Italian-American" restaurants-with endless variations of "hot/cold subs" basic-bitch pizza, and "parm".

>>12700265
Cool pasta.

>>12700197
>not adding stuff to make food more nutritious

There is a place for purism, but imo when talking about home cooking, anything goes.

>>12700277
yeah it goes in the fuckin dumpster lmao

>>12700270
If they bake it I guess it could pass as a cheap pasta al forno.

>>12700277
>>12700279
BTFO

ITT: stop liking what I don't like

>>12700277
Well, your opinion is wrong.

>>12700284
then call it that. It's not lasagna--anymore than baked tortilla chips with beef, salsa, and cheese with black olives on top are "enchiladas".

>>12700290
It's eat what you like but stop pretending it is something else.
More on this topic are people thinking bacon = pancetta. They're not even from the same body part.

>>12700272
>>12700273
Actually, it's in the big-shot restaurants where you'd find the weird as fuck recipes because the Japanese have this permanent mental image that "high class is equivalent to incredibly complex and niche recipes that nobody fucking knows". There's this prevailing mentality that only experts in their field are qualified to talk about a subject, and any average person is a retard in comparison to "the great chef who graduated from tanaka yoshida megacorp university". They rely on this difference in social class standing to essentially play the customers as retards because "they know nothing about italian food, only I do" while the dishes they serve are nothing even close to italian at all.
As for the smaller restaurants, while the ones I've been to have pretty normal dishes, they still come off as shit only because the ingredients are shit. Like I said all cheese and bread is shit in this country. You can't make italian if you don't use cheese or bread.

As for tokyo, I don't live in tokyo and I'm sure you could find real european food there, but that's like expecting every american to eat in New York. On an island of 120 million, a small part of the population is the one that gets the luxury of being in or close to tokyo.

>>12700290
ITT: Stop having standards

No bacon, no pancetta. If it's not made with guanciale it can't be called a real carbonara.

>>12700300
>they’re not even from the same body part
you’re thinking of guanciale
pancetta comes from the word “pancia” which means belly. bacon is pork belly, so is pancetta. guanciale however comes from the cheek.

>>12700303
fair enough.
>prevailing mentality that only experts in their field are qualified to talk about a subject, and any average person is a retard in comparison
kek. unsurprising

>>12700197
>>12700203
I WILL ADD PEAS TO WHAYEVER THE FUCK I WANT. FUCK YOUR ITALIAN HERITAGE

>>12700331
have sex

>>12700313
There's a lot of things I love about Japan, but the one thing that I will never be able to accept about their culture is the class system. The one big thing I miss about western culture is being able to tell anyone to fuck off and eat their own shit regardless of their wealth or social standing. People here are taught to be subservient and to not think for themselves from a very young age. I get "muh culture differences" they've been doing this for thousands of years, but I'll just never click with it.

>>12700310
Pancetta comes always from the belly, bacon comes from different body part which can include belly. The word bacon comes from "bacoun", which is an old word for the ass of the pork. Moreover to be called bacon it needs to follow a procedure which does not apply to pancetta.

>>12700336
what’s the actual tangible consequences of telling some rich muckity muck who’s acting like a faggot to go fuck himself if you’re something equivalent to self-employed and the classes above you have no impact on your livelihood?

>>12700354
>if you’re something equivalent to self-employed and the classes above you have no impact on your livelihood?
If such a thing existed in japan, there wouldn't have been an issue to begin with. American virtues like independence, self-sustainability, opportunity, and the power of the individual are not virtues in Japan, but rather seen as vices. The japanese value obedience, conformity, willingness to stamp out individual quirks or traits to fit with the norm, going through the "process" of elementary > middle school > high school > college > megacorp.
It's hard to explain without having lived here yourself, but it's just a shift in core values and what fundamental things you think are good or bad/right or wrong. The japanese are quite literally from birth trained to be robots that accept orders and delegate work appropriately to the robots below them. People talk about "the horrors of capitalism and the 1%" in america all the time but the japanese manufactured it down to a fucking SCIENCE like thirty years ago. America will never come close to this level, not in a million years.

>>12700373
what a depressing state
literally all the building blocks necessary to recreate a vast dominant empire but instead they choose to LARP as 1950’s americans or fap eternally to loli on NEETbux

>>12700390
Interestingly enough, the only culprit is boomer culture. "Old is right", "young kids are all retarded and fucking stupid and retarded because they're young, god I fucking hate young kids."
The current young generation is getting pretty fed up with how shit everything is, and soon all the trendy jap teens and college students will be actually getting jobs and the boomers will all die out. There's a radical culture shift coming soon, sort of like what america went through from the 80s to the 00s, it's just that japan has always been behind the rest of the world about 30 years or so. Doesn't mean it'll never happen, it's just delayed. You know what they say, out with the old, in with the new.

Nevertheless, don't eat italian if you're in japan. You should only really go for japanese food if you're visiting here. You won't get it this good anywhere else in the world. If you really want italian, I guarantee it'll be better in america.

>>12700270
>>12700284
Reminder that this exists:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ok4cM6WTA5E

>>12700197
Fuck carbonara, fuck carbonara threads and fuck Italians whining about carbanora.

>>12700467
you forgot your meme image, dumbass.

>>12700265
but Americans have the same issue with even more different foods. the only differences is that they get extremely defensive over it.

>>12700480
not to the same degree, I'd think. America is more of a "melting pot", and has access to more people and ingredients and individuality, so it's more likely to be accurate and have people called out for bullshit.

>>12700475
You forgot your brain, faggot.

>>12700303
Why couldn’t a high end pricey Japanese Italian restaurant ship in good Parmesan and or bread? They can ass the cost on to the customer and they would have something unique compared to the other Italian restaurants there.

>>12700480
They do but they don't massacre shit as badly as the japanese. My biggest issue with this place is that people are sold the idea that it's authentic [insert country food] and nobody is any wiser. You said it yourself, americans get defensive over it. They'll get pissed when a mexican person says their mexican food is shit and not close to real mexican food (for example). This doesn't even happen in japan. There is nobody here to say it's wrong, nobody to correct misconceptions. It's only japanese people living here. Nobody knows any better.
>>12700490
No clue. I imagine every place has their own reasons, but I'd reckon the biggest reason is people just don't know. They're just not informed of how different their food is from how it really is. Most japanese people, despite being westaboos, never travel outside of japan. It might just come down to the fact that nobody knows, and there's nobody to point that out. There's a ton of simple solutions, like you said, they could just import stuff, but it rarely happens. I have no idea. Maybe it really is expensive and they think there's no problem using good ol' homemade JAPANESE bread or cheese instead? Maybe they just don't know how different food is out there.

>>12700504
how the fuck could they not know in the internet age? that blows my mind

>>12700509
Again, it's hard to explain without having lived here on your own. People don't realize they can look up shit. People can't even be assed to try on their own. People don't bother finding stuff out on their own because they're so trained to being delegated information from superior figures (your boss, your teachers, your parents). Not only is there no drive to look stuff up for yourself on the internet, but people are raised without even learning that that's an option. Everyone thinks that the only way you can learn new information or skills is *only* if it's passed on to you from a "qualified superior" such as an instructor, teacher, senpai, etc. There is no mentality that people can learn shit on their own, find shit out on their own, build their knowledge on their own. That sort of thinking just doesn't exist in the culture. Of course when I generalize the population of an entire country like this it's not gonna be 100% accurate, probably not even 70% accurate at best, but I'm willing to bet that more than half of the population is like this, which is still a lot when you consider the 120 mil population of this island.

>>12700480
Dude, even in Korea many years ago the hotels brought in classically trained french and italian chefs so don't tell me japan doesn't have that. Oh, but you're some faggot getting paid a pittance to teach english or a member of the US Israel Defense Force and can't afford those places.

>>12700529
Poor people think that fine dining is supposed to be about slavishly following some secret list of rules that exist to make poors feel uncomfortable. So of course they're going to pick apart all information they can find about some random nice Italian joint in Japan in order to find the slightest inconsistency that they can use to "prove" it's all a scam, despite the fact that even in Italy there are multiple ways to make a dish and chefs are constantly setting new trends with innovative twists on old classics.

>>12700526
>>12700504
>>12700415
>>12700373
>>12700336
>>12700303
>>12700265
>bugmen

>>12700509
People in the U.S., even, don't know how to use the internet, especially fucking boomers. Motherfuckers think that google is where you go to type in the website name you want to find and don't understand what an address bar is.

>baked ziti with mozerella and not ricotta

i nearly fucking vomited

>>12700217
>>12700244
Are you Italians working tirelessly day and night to come up with a new unique word for each possible combination of ingredients? Why is it not acceptable to say "carbonara with peas"? That way you're in no way suggesting that peas belong to the carbonara recipe. They're a separate addition. That's just how language works, you have to accept it.

>>12700209
>>12700223
>>12700247
>>12700277
>>12700331
This is Bacon Alfredo.

>>12700583
Why do you think someone has to be Italian to point out something that is obviously wrong

>>12700602
Explain to me how saying "carbonara with peas" is wrong.

>>12700601
Alfredo doesn't contain eggs anymore than carbonara contains cream.

>>12700607
Because it's not carbonara

>>12700686
Right. It's carbonara with peas.

>>12700209
I ate that once every week as a child and absolutely hated it. Still do.

>>12700583
>you have to accept it
make me

Has anyone mentioned the “Alfredo” thing?

>>12700692
That's like calling carbonara gricia with eggs. Retard.

>>12700918
Italian-American and Italian are two separate things.

>>12701002
That's correct.

>>12701017
It's technically true but for what purpose would you do that outside trying to annoy people?
Besides this argument began pointing at people who call carbonara with peas/cream just carbonara.
How about we call that pasta panna e piselli (pasta with cream and peas, which is a thing in Italy) pasta panna e piselli with guanciale, eggs and pecorino and parmigiano? This is obtuse.

Can't go wrong with that hawaiian carbonara, eh?

>>12701135
That unironically looks delicious.

>>12700509
Most Japs are too stupid to learn English above toddler level.

>>12700203
Looks good, what's the problem?

Carbonara is better with cream and peas, your nonnas are all whores, and the mob was never scary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcNrFW6tuSg

I cook my carbonara like this. Truly delicious.

>>12701002
Which is absolutely fine you faggot, the only reason we don't is because it has its own name. Do you morons really have such a hard time figuring out language?

>>12701325
have sex

>>12701069
>It's technically true but for what purpose would you do that outside trying to annoy people
Because that's how language works you dense cunt. The only two other options are to name every ingredient, calling it "pasta with peas, bacon and black pepper tossed in egg yolks" or to find a unique word to name every single possible combination of ingredients. Or you could just call it carbonara plus peas. Which is it?

>>12700197
Ay, dont looka me boss, i aint do nuthin. Mammina dont let me near the kitchen.

>>12700336
Its not just japan that has that.
Britain has that to an extent, but its more you act that way to everyone unless they are aggressive.
This is why sarcasm is so big there, meanwhile japan hates sarcasm and passive aggressiveness immensely.

>>12701069
Only stupid people get annoyed by something like this, so they deserve to be annoyed.

>>12701069
So you're against calling it after a dish with which it shares 4 ingredients, and adding on the other two. But somehow you are OK naming it after the dish with which it shares only 2 ingredients and adding on the other 4. You've memed yourself to death over some tradition. You're spinning in circles.

>Mfw I use slim jims instead of guanciallie
>Mfw I use a coconut milk crema instead of egg sauce
>Mfw I put peas in
>Mfw theres NOTHING italianfags can do about it

God i fucking hate Italians

>>12701135
gross, stick to the spam misubi.
>>12701261
>>12701469
1/10
>>12701568
>he says, bumping the thread...

>>12701568
Italians are one of the only food cultures in the world that has remained pure. I went there last summer and the menu still were very simple and almost homogenous. Italians have been eating the same exact thing for the last hundreds of years and they love it.
that said, they have very strict classifications of their food. traditionally, peas or cream don't go in carbonara. doesnt mean restauarants over there don't serve variations of carbonara, it just means it's not traditional, not the real thing. the only thing wrong with this are the autists itt that will immediately say untraditional = shit

>>12700197
Why are Italians such brainlets only capable of mindlessly following recipes step-by-step?

>>12700265
how a jap would make cioppino:
>make it with raw fish, tomatoes, and chopped apples
>add soy sauce for desu umami
>add rice vinegar instead of white wine
>garnish with cheddar cheese and corn
>serve it over rice

>>12701622
>bait intensifies
why are you so assmad about decent food/excluding dumb ingredients?

>>12701659
How the hell are peas useless? They are tasty and nutritious.

>>12701670
never liked peas, they're either frozen or canned in my country. I do love snap peas and sugar snaps but regular old peas aren't tasty or nutritious, they are filler a filler ingredient. I've been cooking many different dishes in my life and not one had an emphasis on the flavor or essence of plain peas

>>12701670
>dumb [in this context]
>useless
stellar reading comprehension

>>12700265
>>12700275
yeah, better blog this

>>12701670
>nutritious.
they're a grain, not a vegetable, and you boiled all the nutrients out you stupid bongistani shithead

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-e5gTx1fVU4

>>12701693
Pea soup is a common meal in Scandinavia

>>12701729
well I did say dish, not bowl

ITT: autism

>>12701729

>>12701603

>>12701694
Peas are creamy and savory, so they go well with the rest of the dish. They also make it more colorful.

>>12701659

>>12701902
>>12701944
go back to facebook you emoji-spamming whore

>>12701962

>>12701931
not the argument

>>12700265
imagine whining like a baby that the homogenous country you unwelcomingly moved to doesnt propagate other culture's foods correctly. you must have a huge nose and sandy skin my dude

The same people screaming autism here would throw a hissy fit over mayo on steak/fries.

>>12700223
>the easy way
>carbonara is braindead easy in the first way
thank you Kraft Foods

Hey italians, pic related

>>12702649
piss off from this website please

>>12700265
Fuck me, that is funny. I have never lived in Japan but I know what youre getting at, they make this unholy fusion combo that only a child could like. Had pasta once when I visited Japan and it was pretty damn bad.

>>12700265
Although I should add, its kind of similar in China. Seems to be few Western restaurants that arent fast food or trash level mutant Italian. Maybe (East) Asians are just really insulated.

Cant you find some import shop where they get foreign cheeses though? And for real bread Im sure theres some decent expat cafe, you just have to find it

>>12702723
Be quiet Antony

>>12702649
fucking based

>>12700475
except I wasn't trolling fucktard

>>12702723
Oh I'm sorry, Gianni Salami, did I hurt your pasta feel-ini-s?

>>12702962
I cannot imagine being this scrotum-scrambled.

>>12703153
Your nonna scrambles my scrotum in her mouth. Little weakass mod who warned me can suck my dick too.

>>12700601
Nah

>>12700217
>carbonara with
Learn to read retard

>>12700300
Bacon is not body part specific. You will see different cuts used all over the world.

>>12700336
Long live the queen

>>12700490
You can't ship in good bread, because the bread won't still be good by the time it gets there.

>>12703604
Ship in quality ingredients and bake it in Japan. How is that hard? They have ovens.

>>12700565
but that is an entirely functional understanding

>>12700565
Boomers invented the Internet, young whippersnapper. We were emailing and ftp’ing while you were still downloading poop into your diapers.

>>12703626
They don't have wheat?

>>12703862
Boomers didn't invent the internet. The internet was invented 10 years before the first boomer was born for communication with the US military.

>>12700265
Why the fuck do you keep going to them and not traditional restaurants then? Fucking retard, if you are going to be angry about something you should be seething mad about your autism and complete fucking retardation.

>>12700583
Carbonara is literally 3 ingredients, and by adding shit like cream and peas you've already changed over half the recipe. It tastes absolutely nothing like the original. By that point, you could make pasta alla gricia and call it carbonara. Even fucking mac and cheese would taste more similar to carbonara than this guy's >>12700203 pic.

I swear, 80% of you faggots are American /pol/shitters who talk all about traditions, preserving the white race, and European ethnostates, and then you go through hoops to justify this debauchery of Italian culture.

>>12703959
Italian culture is it's artwork and military history, not it's fucking cuisine you cretin. This is just cucked nonsense they push to leave the italian people neutered and womanlike, like all of Europe has since the renaissance. You know the other European powers purposefully played the other italian states off one another to keep them from uniting?

Idiot. Who the fuck stakes their national and cultural pride on food? Have some goddamn dignity. Caesar is spinning fast enough in his grave to dry one of those cuck salads you named after him.

>>12703972
Unironic historical revision is cringe. Seek help, schizo fag. You are also retarded by saying that food isn't culture.

>>12703972
>Italian culture is it's artwork and military history, not it's fucking cuisine
lol whut?

>>12700265
Kek'd
You telling me Milano-Style Doria isn't a true Italian dish???
I'm all for authentic dishes, but for cost performance and magnum wine bottles you can't beat Saize.

>>12700265
>waaahhhh, Japan isn't a multicultural dystopia and actually forces foreign cultures to assimilate to local standards
If you don't like foods being modified for a Japanese palate, don't eat, and better yet don't live in Japan.

>>12700265
Autism

At least Japanese Italian ripoff isn't American Italian ripoff, or the Americanized version of anything really

>>12703972
I'm italian and you should have sex

>>12700490
>>12700509
>>12700529
The guy is clearly some faggot living in buttfuck nowhere Japan teaching English to a class of school kids making fun of him

Every major city in Japan has good non-japanese food.

>>12703959
Fuck your little kids touching "culture"
There is a reason why we improve medieval food, we can make it better, fuck your nostalgia

>>12700336
So go home and stop being a drain on taxpayers, you useless dancing monkey.

>>12700197
Who fucking cares?

>>12700197
Why does everybody hate peas? Peas are love, peas are life.

>>12700277
Carbonara is made with a cured fatty cut, usually guanciale, but pancetta or bacon can be substituted, and a sauce made from eggs, pecorino romano, and black pepper. There is no dairy in it.

>>12700307
Eh, I have no idea where I could even find guanciale around here, but pancetta still works. It's shit like >>12700223 where it's completely changing the key ingredients to something else that you should be mad at.

>>12700343
American bacon is always made from pork belly slabs.
Canadian bacon is from the loin, and is more of a ham.
The brits use a cut from both the belly and the loin together.

>>12700480
Difference, is that we add things we THINK might go well with it, sometimes it does and sometimes it doesn't, 95% of the time it does go well together

>>12704990
Keep your meaty hands on your barbecue ribs and ketchup, fat ass. Lots of Italian dishes have existed for centuries and has, in fact, been slightly altered over time by Italians, carbonara included. Americans like to change shit up because they use dog shit quality ingredients and because they're just tastelets in general.

>>12700504
I'm reminded of Yuyushiki, where they built a series around the premise of "cute girls doing rudimentary google searches."

>>12705673
Meant to reply to: >>12700526

>>12705625
You can put pancetta in it if you like, but don't call it carbonara.

>>12705776
Screw that, it's still within the Venn diagram of being a carbonara if you use a very similar ingredient, and they do use pancetta in Italy for it.

>>12705797
We do but we don't call that real carbonara. My take on this is that people outside Italy want to call whatever they are doing carbonara for scoring fancy points only to complain about Italians calling them out and assuming they are purists while in fact they eat variations of it all the time but they just don't missname it.

>>12704955
(You)

>>12703959
mamma mia why are so angry about how somebody change-a da spaghetti recipe?

>>12705929
I'm more annoyed about how hypocritical /ck/ is. Bunch of radical incels, but once a conflict of interest happens, they make excuses for themselves instead of accepting that they're wrong. Typical millennial mindset.

>eating carbs
Holy fucking cringe

>>12706085
Die of kidney failure, ketoposter.

>>12706085
(you)

>>12705611
Except the cheese.

>>12705929
heh

>>12700197
You think that's bad
*Chuckles
I put parmesan on Pasta with Seafood
I have single-handedly pissed off every single Italian I know by doing this.
And to them I say
"Tutti anno i loro gusti amici, i veri imbecili sono quelli che non fanno i creativi con i loro gusti"
And I am not going to stop because it tastes good

>>12700203
I think at that point it becomes tetrazzini.


Which is fucking delicious so hey!

>>12708695
Hanno*
Some people do it in Italy too despite getting shitpostedit irl

Stop ordering Soprasata and Cappacolla, my slicer blades are always fucked when you do

>>12709443
>Cappacolla
*gabagool

>>12700265
No shit it's going to be accommodated to Japanese tastes. You live in JAPAN. Not Italy. It's the equivalent of going into a ramen stall in Italy and complaining about it not being authentic. Like what the fuck are you expecting?

>>12708072
>cheese = dairy
Spotted the fucking stupid Yuropoor

>>12700203
At lest they didn't dump a can of tuna on it.

>>12700307
I've been trying some legit recipes and holyo fuck do people bastardise italian food. First time I smelt guanciale I knew I was in for a treat but fuck me is it easy to turn bitter, you don't even have to burn it, just over a certain temperature for a second and you have to bin it.

Any suggestions on not fucking it up? Like cut size or a cooking style (hot and fast / low and slow), my biggest issue is rendering enough fat out before it turns to shit, adding the eggs and pecorino is piss easy by comparison.

>>12700307
>>12705625
>>12705776
>>12705797
>>12705836
what about the cheese? does it have to be pecorino romano or can it be parmigiano reggiano as well?

i don't know what makes anyone give a shit what italians think

>>12700307

it's the same shit. who cares.

>>12710213
Pecorino romano is recommended for authentic carbonara.

>>12710227
It's not. Different part of the animal.

>>12710224
People care about what words mean because if nobody knows what anyone else is saying then we're just a bunch of animals making nonsense noises. It's not unique to any one country. If I order a coffee and you serve me a glass of dish soap, I'm going to be annoyed, and you have no right to be surprised.
>but language evolves
Sure, but if you're confused and upset because nobody else seems to recognize your special unique meanings that only you and a few trailer dwelling inbreds understand, then maybe hold off on that sentence until someone with more cultural capital has endorsed the new meaning.

>>12700197
>Who the fuck started adding peas to Carbonara?
If they didn't already do it, I'd start it.
Carbonara is a nice sauce but it needs something green in it, both for aesthetics and for flavour. I don't want a bowl of butter, peas help cut through that and serve as a bit of a palate cleanser.

>>12700265
>There are loads upon loads of "italian" restaurants here but when you go in it's always some weird fucking japanese ripoff
Dude, I live in China.
You know nothing.

>>12710255
there's no butter in carbonara

>heres a carbonara with peas
>WELL ITS NOT A CARBONARA THEN
>correct, its a carbonara.... with peas
nice thread idiot

>>12710255
So spread some parsely on it once its plated. I do that and its a great addition both for flavour and presentation.

>>12704851
We was romans n shit

>>12710269
but are you italian? do we have italy's permission to do it?

>>12700602
>he is defending le Italian cuisine’s honor and he isn’t Italian
EMBARRASSING HHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

>>12703879
The arpanet only came into existence in 1969 you mouthbreather

>>12710308
How is it embarrassing to point out something incorrect

>>12710255
Cut your portion and have something on the side. Carbonara by itself, to the exclusion of other ingredients, is tasty. Sure I have similar dishes with mushrooms or peas or whatever but they taste different.

>>12710344
Italy is going to fuck you because you white knight it on the internet

>>12710269
>Cover everything in parsley
"Italians watch non-Italians make their food" has them go spare about that every time.

>>12700197
Baby boomer moms would "sneak" frozen vegetables into everything instead of making vegetables that taste good. So your brownies have zucchini in them and your pasta with red sauce has green beans. Carbonara is composed of spaghetti, frozen peas, and cut up hot dogs, covered in some sort of burned sauce made of skim milk (cream has too much fat!) and powdered cheese from a green can.

>>12700197
It's to offset the richness of the cream with something fresh.

>>12710768
The sauce in a carbonara is made of rendered pork fat, pecorino romano, and raw egg. There is no cream.

>>12710876
That was a joke

>>12710876
Doesn't sound like any carbonara in any restaurant I've been to, but ok

>>12710880
Then you've been cheated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elq1UYbJ-JQ

>>12710891
Looks lame desu

Is it possible to actually make homemade guanciale, so that I can finally, FINALLY make authentic carbonara? It's not available where I live.

>>12711189
>guanciale
maybe if you know a good butcher. i just get mine from the italian grocery

>>12711189
Have you ever made some kind of cured meat?
You need to buy pork face cheek, apply salt until it's dry then cover with hot pepper and hang it in a dry place.
If you're going homemade you might want to stop here but the real deal requires smoking it with aromatic woods every day for like 10 days.
Can't you just order some off the internet?

>>12710269
Or you could add something that tastes good, like peas

Honestly fuck Italians and their autistic attitude towards their gay food