/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>12654722
What sort of herbs and spices would he tolerate, taste-wise?

he shouldn't be eating meat at all.
eat veggie bean chili, bread, pasta, oatmeal, non fat milk/yogurt. frozen vegetables.

>>12654722
I hate vegetarians but your father needs to switch over to vegetarian only.

>>12654722
Literally will never understand why meatcucks do this to themselves.

>>12654920
Pretty much anything that isn't meme-tier hot
>>12654922
He would pretty much kill himself before going completely vegan. Chicken and stuff like that is fine, he doesn't have to cut it out

>>12654722
its probably not even the shit, he has a genetic defect that causes arteries to clog easy, my mom's side of the family had it, I'm sorry but he needs medication or he's going to die at some point soon unless he watches this closely. Eating better will help but its not the only thing he should do.

Just offering this friendly advice, I hope your padre doesn't die.

>>12654942
Yes, he is indeed on an assload of medications and has been going to the doctors regularly to talk about his diet and meds, and the answer will probably be "seafood, chicken, and a bit of beef" for the rest of his life.
He just recently was able to get off the blood thinners, but yes, rest assured he is well medicated.

>>12654926
Refined sugar easily causes heart disease

>>12654958
Oh yeah, and when I say "ate like shit" I'm talking about 6 sausage egg and cheese mcmuffins for dinner as soon as mcds started doing all day breakfast, wolfing down two whoppers for lunch, etc. I'm not talking about just eating a lot of meat. He ate inhuman amounts of fat, this definitely wasn't muh genetics.
The obscene amount of work he was doing at the time to meet short deadlines didn't help either.

>>12654927
He probably ought to eat vegetarian a few days a week (avoiding coconut, which is full of highly saturated fat) so as to switch things up and make things more interesting. Aside from that, reducing the proportion of meat in the meal also helps; it'd let options like a little bacon be possible (such as wrapping a chicken thigh in a single rasher, then cooking it long to drive as much fat out as you can). Herbs and spices and such can make things a lot more interesting, even avoiding chilies and other hot spicings. There's lots of options, but not all are great with chicken.

>>12655072
Will keep in mind. Thank you anon

>>12654922
This. Your father killed himself by eating meat. You need to convince him to stop eating meat or you're a shitty son.

>>12655509
Veganism is a disease that's curable only by lead.

>>12654927
>He would pretty much kill himself before going completely vegan.

I hope he does. I hope any weak willed faggot who can’t live without their pathetic fucking food addiction would just drop dead. Fucking pussy scum. I’m not even saying go vegan, just fuck people who “can’t live” without x food.

when did my thread get taken over by vegantards he doesn't mind eating vegetarian regularly but he's not just gonna stop eating meat without an alternative that tastes good

>>12655650
or any sort of animal product for that matter
he has eaten vegetarian for a week straight at times but he's not going 100% vegan for the rest of his life

>>12655643
have sex

>>12655658
Then let him die and decrease the surplus population, ffs! If he doesn't want to be proactive in taking appropriate steps like breaking out of his carnist brainwashed pattern into veganism when it's critical to his survival, there's nothing you can do.

>>12654722
You should look into Caldwell Esselstyns heart disease reversal studies. Yeah its vegan and all not to beat away at the point and what not but its a very interesting read, very low fat diet that had amazing results in regards to reversing heart disease. At the very least worth reading and showing your father. Maybe he’ll be able to at least massively cut down on his fat intake and eat much cleaner and healthier in general with whole plant foods.

>>12655717
He's not dying you absolute retard, and if he does it's not gonna be from another heart attack. The diet he is on right now is recommended by his doctor, I would rather trust her than some vegan tard on /ck/ who snacks on lettuce all day

>>12655730
The heart attack wasn't caused by heart disease, unless I'm a brainlet and clogged arteries are actually a form of heart disease.

>>12655601
Your father is dying because he eats like shit. You're an idiot who can't take care of your family.
He probably deserves to die with your response though. RIP your dumbass low IQ dad. I guarantee he passed on his shirt behavior to you, which is why you're so low IQ.
LMAO

>>12654722
My dad never loved me and abandoned me.
Good on you for trying to take care of yours

>>12655824
The person you replied to isn't me, but have fun being a veganoid, me and my based dad will look for good chicken recipes while you jerk off onto tofu

>>12655852
Hmm, sounds like you and your dad are, shall we say, unnaturally close? From AL, or MS, perchance?

>>12655909
t. no dad and turned to veganism after being raised by your mom

>>12655746
It’s basically the same from my understanding, your coronary arteries are clogged and its affecting the heart. Saturated fat and dietary cholesterol clog the arteries over time so a low fat (especially saturated) diet with little to no dietary cholesterol (ideally none) theoretically slows the progression and or halts and or reverses the clogging of the arteries basically

>>12654964
>Consumed dietary fat proportionally turns into artery plaque buildup
Hahahahahaha.
I won't believe he was not fat unless you show his body fat percentage. Regardless, the stress is what fucked him the most.

>>12655965
Studies show increasing relative saturated fat intake while keeping total intake constant decrease "clogging of arteries".
Get the fuck out of here with your third-tier debunked goalpost bullshit.

>>12655976
I'm not gonna take pictures of my dad FFS but he wears a size Medium shirt. Not fat, but not skinny either. He has a good amount of muscle from working labor jobs 6 days a week since he was 23. I wouldn't lie about him being fat since obviously the first thing he would start doing is losing weight, but he doesn't need to. You don't need to be fat to get a heart attack, just as being a normal weight doesn't automatically make you healthy

>>12654722
what about small amounts of pork?

make him mapo tofu, I dont like regular tofu but I fucking love messing with sichuan spices

do the same thing with fish and start having try shit that isnt salmon or slap him across the face for being a little bitch

Here's a protip: curry. Curry makes chicken good. Use a low fat oil like grapeseed and a lot of veggies

>>12654963
Agree,
Eskimo studies prior to globo-homo shipping in sugars showed the Eskimos could live happily on meat and fish alone

>>12655987
>Studies show increasing relative saturated fat intake while keeping total intake constant decrease "clogging of arteries".
Show those studies then you fat fucking retard. You didn’t debunk a single thing you faggot

>goalpost
The fuck are you even talking about? Fucking kill yourself for so haphazardly telling a person afflicted with heart disease not to worry about one of the most atherosclerotic properties out there you autistic fucking retard

>>12656015
Don’t even bother with oil, stir fry with low sodium vegetable stock

>>12656027
Show these studied you fucking retard. You can’t because you’re a retarded dilettante trying to kill people. Refined sugar and saturated fats BOTH cause heart disease.

>>12654722
Turkey is a good option to break up the monotony of chicken. there are also lean varieties of pork like boneless loin chops which you can cut yourself from pork loin. A little fat here ans there won't kill him he just has to limit it. The first major step is to cut back on processed meats like sausage, bacon, spam. Amazingly ham can be low fat so just have him check the package nutritional info. He doesn't like fish but what about shrimp, scallops, and crayfish. Maybe he could look into those. he should also supplement his diet with vegetables. Legumes, nuts, and fruits are good high energy foods and can be used to substitute more unhealthy snacks.

>>12656057
Nuts should be limited just for saturated fat and fat restriction in general. They’re very fatty. Should be very limited if going in to seriously treat with diet

>>12655643
Vegancel

isn't it easier to just say "not pork"?
damn, maybe my man ought to check out some kosher 'pes

>>12655909
Fucking kek. Ruined him m8. Nice. I bet his collection of 6 teeth are clacking around behind his soulless, beady eyes in absolute frustration.

>>12655643
>you don't want to dislike a necessary part of life and want to get more out of it
>fuck people who want to eat things they enjoy

>>12656230
Imagine the teeth exploding from this poster in frustration, samefagging out of sheer anal ruin.

>>12655730
>Sickly vegan shamelessly hijacks thread to promote his starvation cult.

OP didn't say what his dad ate besides "utter shit" and that is not synonymous with grass fed beef and raw milk veganigger.

>>12656278
I never said anything like that you retarded fucking brainlet faggot. Caldwell Esselstyn simply has a dietary plan of low dietary fat consumption that has been shown to reverse heart disease in his clinical trials you enormous autist. The low saturated fat which OP SPECIFICALLY requested you demented fucking loser

>>12656278
>t. Toothless

>>12656278
I did kinda say what he ate, but yeah. It was mostly fast food lol.
I'm grateful for the advice I've been given but I'm kind of disappointed that this thread ended up being taken over by vegans when my dad doesn't need to become a vegan at all. I was just looking for good low sat fat recipes to give him that can spice things up a bit.

>>12654722
>not from obesity
You can't really tell what most specific heart attack cases were "caused" by, if it was even any one cause at all. Being overweight is the big predictor that's easy to correlate with heart problems, as are smoking and aging.
I think people try to hard in these cases to assume somebody did something wrong in need of "correction." I would probably just take it easy with some light exercise and eat reasonable amounts of basic fresh foods (e.g. a simple turkey sandwich with white bread instead of a box of hot pockets).
>>12655824
>Your father is dying because he eats like shit. You're an idiot who can't take care of your family.
You need protein for your body to do basic repairs and not fall apart you retard. Vegetable sources of protein in their natural state are far less rich in protein (in particular, almost none are COMPLETE proteins), so it's really a choice between meat or processed artificial garbage masquerading as vegetable based protein sources.
If anything it would be processed meats and red meat you would cut back on, not all meat. No reputable health organization or national health department has ever recommended veganism as a sane dietary response to heart problems.

>>12656311
>>12656320
>Vegans get called out
>River of tears flows

The "healthy vegan diet" is a complete myth. Let someone qualified comment on OPs Dad, if you two emaciated imbeciles would shut up, someone who knows something might even be able to help him out.

OP at what age did your dad have a heart event? What was his diet? Is he a smoker?

>>12656355
Recommending reading a doctor who is vegan isn’t recommending veganism. It’s recommending something that offers low saturated fat and low dietary fat planning for eating. It’s much deeper than just reducing saturated fats, its eating more whole foods low in fat in general, avoiding oils, and a plethora of other things. This doesn’t mean he has to cut out meat dairy etc. just reducing his biggest risk factors

>>12656388
>t. Toothless

>>12656373
The doctor said it was his shitty eating habits and the stress from working 70 hour weeks of labor at times to meet deadlines. That's fair. I was just clarifying because when a lot of people hear of someone having a heart attack they think of someone who's 400lbs who just needs to lose weight, and I didn't want a whole thread full of people just telling me to tell my dad to lose weight to fix it when that wasn't the problem

>>12656027
The belief inuit didn't suffer atherosclerosis was a total asspull by one guy, and for many years everyone else just assumed it was correct because it *felt* right.

>>12654722
Get your dad on a whole food plant based diet. Shit works.

>>12656388
>dumbass says something retarded
>cries when he gets corrected
I never said anything about a vegan diet you fucking moron.

>let someone qualified comment on ops dad
Yeah you aren’t qualified you fucking loser. You’re a demented mentally ill shut in deliberately trying to obfuscate legitimate advice with your asspain and delusions

>someone who knows something might even be able to help him out.
Is me posting something stopping a “qualified” person from posting? No you dumbass. You’re a psychopathic idiot

>OP at what age did your dad have a heart event? What was his diet? Is he a smoker?
You’re not qualified and you’re adding nothing. OP asked for lower saturated fats, not your unqualified rambling ass

>>12656355
If he ate a lot of fast food, that compromised his health and set him up for a heart attack. (my personal opinion)

You should study up on the case of the Baskin Robbins grandfather. His health was collapsing at age 72, he turned his diet around (not Vegan, but in that direction)
and lived to be 92, which is exceptional.

(Warning- his descendants went pure vegan and they look horrible of course etc vegan syndrome)

Esselstein the vegan shill/guru, his wife looks like a living corpse and his daughter appears to be in her 70s, but she is in her 50s lol.

>>12656388
He would have been 46, his diet was, like I said elsewhere in this thread, utter shit and ultimately the agreed on root cause of the heart attack as well as work stress. He smokes occasionally, not like daily or anything, but occasionally

>>12656373
>No reputable health organization or national health department has ever recommended veganism as a sane dietary response to heart problems.
I can’t think of a single body that recommends any diet in particular, veganism just is typically thought of meaning lower saturated and dietary fat consumption as a whole. It of course can be very high in both though. Recommending just veganism isnt sound because it can be high in saturated fats

>>12656402
Overworked. This raises his stress levels and cortisol. Very risky. My respect to your Dad sounds like he was willing to risk/sacrifice his own health to provide for his family. A true legend. I hope he lives to 100.

>>12656427
Well yes, I'm not arguing that that wasn't the cause of his heart attack.
Really, I suppose, I just wanted recipes. There's not lots of cooking threads on /ck/ anymore and I thought that asking for recipes would bring out some of the people that, well, actually cook on this board but instead I just got the vegans that take over every other thread

>>12656450
>I can’t think of a single body that recommends any diet in particular
All of them recommend less salt and less red meat. None of them recommend NO meat.

>>12656427
>fast food bad!
Truly an incredible opinion from a qualified individual. You’re actually detracting from the discussion about the health and recipe aspect to insert your utterly insane nightmarish delusional propaganda. You’re seriously fucked in the head man

>>12656424
>Vegan adhom

Weak and pathetic like your frail vegan bodies. OP I apologise for using your thread as an excuse to laugh at sickly demented vegans.

>>12656459
>There's not lots of cooking threads on /ck/ anymore and I thought that asking for recipes would bring out some of the people that, well, actually cook on this board but instead I just got the vegans that take over every other thread
You got what you deserved then. I hate you smug "I actually cook" anons. There's nothing wrong with non-cooking food threads.

>>12656468
You don’t even know what ad hominem means, retard. You’re using a thread about someone asking recipes for lower saturated fat to yet again insert your schizophrenic fantasies, your life being trash doesn’t mean you need to ruin it for others. Fucking kill yourself, invalid.

>>12656465
>>12656469
This is the lashing out of the sick demented vegans. Thank the Lord their miserable unhealthy diet will lead them to sickness and early suicide.

>>12656485
What are you talking about? I'm pro non-cooking food threads and anti- smug "I actually cook" anons.
Literally no vegans share in that opinion of mine. Vegans are EXACTLY the same kind of smug "I actually cook" anons we're talking about.

>>12656477
Protip--you are a 70 pound complete vegan joke. The whole world laughs at you, not just me.

(With apologies to OP, once again)

>>12656485
You still can’t even point out where I mentioned veganism. And you yet again flood the thread to derail the “qualified” advice you just whined abour. Your life is a fucking schizophrenic joke. End your pathetic existence.

>>12656498
You can apologize to OP and your parents for being such a failure by hanging yourself. You’re again derailing any discussion and potential qualified advice because of your own mental illness. Kill yourself.

>>12656485
Only the dumdums eat that shit, most of them not even vegan but the kind non-celiac people who think they're being healthy by eating gluten-free junk food. It's why you may see so many people conflating veganism with gluten-free diets.

>>12656491
This is correct. I brought snacks to my vegan fwb's place, he asked why, I said in case you don't have food, some guys don't, he's like "of course I have food--I'M VEGAN"

Why delete comments? Did janitor do it?

>>12656525
Test.

>>12656525
You won't get an answer because 4chan has ghost bans now.

>>12656525
Wow of course they did. (((They))) are not just going to let me reck vegans openly lol. I didn't delete a single comment, but they're gone, what a (((surprise!))))

Veganism advocates have taken over the controls, can you recommend me a non-cucked website?

>>12656584
How about you just kill yourself? You’ve completely derailed the thread because of your schizophrenic machinations again. And again not even heeding your own advice about “qualified” people. You have such a sorry pathetic life that someone mentioning eating less fat triggers you into an entire episode.

>>12656584
This thread is full of gangstalkers. Why do the mods allow this?

>>12656601
>How about you just kill yourself?

I can't. Watching you vegans die off is just too fucking fun.

>>12656617
I agree it's a shame there are such hateful people in the world. Their cortisol is going up, as their life expectancy goes down (like all seething vegans thankfully)

>>12656623
Then do it on your own nonexistent dime and time instead of derailing a thread about low saturated fat recipes while simultaneously complaining about “qualified” opinions getting filtered out because you’re such a brain damaged fucking nobody that vegetables trigger your manic episodes. Or you can do everybody thats ever met you a favor and end your useless life.

>>12656645
Bro, 70 pound emaciated faggot probably in the middle of a gender reassignment. Remember who you are and how soon your suicide will be.

And we'll be LMAO. Make it soon pls.

I'm gonna avoid this rampant faggotry.
If your dad wants chicken, slow-roast a half-chicken in a roast pan with a rack inside it so all the fats drip out. If you have a lid for the pan, that'll keep it from getting dried up. Use an infuser and add an assortment of herbs pulped fine with a blender, add lemon juice or other citrus and infuse the chicken with that bad mix and, once again, slo-roast at 300f or so for a couple hours or three.

>>12656671
>roosh
Nice self-own

>>12656671
Yet again, derailing the thread because of your mental illness, which is your pathetic waste of a life. Which revolves around skulking the internet to find opinions and facts to trigger your manic psychopathy. Before your enjoyment of watching death exacerbates and becomes outwardly directly causes it, you should end your pathetic life. But even then, you’re such a weak-willed failure, you can’t even go through with that.

>get heart attack
>Keep solely eating the shit that caused it in the first place instead of emphasizing vegetables, pulses, fruit, whole grains and nuts
Fucking burgers man, jesus fucking christ.

>>12654963
Then dont fucking eat refined sugar or meat.

Meatcucks and burgers think that sugar is mandatory

>>12658127
>>12658135
did you change your typing style so that subsequent posts would appear to be from different people?

>>12656373
>Muh prodein!!! T. Amerifat dying of heart disease

No one on a vegetarian diet eating the adequate amount of calories is suffering from protein deficiency. No one.

>>12658140
Nice argument future massive heart attack cuck

>>12658156
kek I busted your ass, fgt

>>12658164
>I made up an argument inside my brain that is pure bullshit to divert the subject on matter
Nice try cuck, but failed miserably.

>>12658186
damn son, I called you out and you're still eating shit over it. put down the phone and go outside. you probably won't get as wrecked there.

>>12658194
Im sorry that your miserable cuck lizard brain makes you think things like that

Should have eaten some vegetables when he was younger. RIP in piece Fatbutt.

Do vegans realise the only reason humans evolved to a have high intelligence was due to eating meat that can be digested much easier and provide much more nutrients than simply plants, allowing 18% of energy to be directed to brain function.

It's the same with most other animals, the smartest are carnivores and dumbest are herbivores.

> Family dinner
> Mom is a health freak, a bit over the top
> Makes healthy food all the time
> Dad never eats her salads, the only vegetables he gets are basically potatoes

Is he red-pilled or retarded? Don't want him to die early because of this. He doesn't drink though, and has stopped smoking.

>>12654722
Marinating and oven baking is a good goto for not terrible and dry chicken breast.
Watch YSAC's video on it. Pretty simple but yields 7+/10 results

should have put "vegan" in my filter long ago

>>12658402
Im sorry but your dad is a full blown retard

>>12655717
Vegan retard detected. Kys

>>12658539
The carnists are doing the kyssing by eating themselves to death

>>12655824
Yeah, what a low IQ idiot with all his shirt behavior.
Dumbass.

>>12654922
>he shouldn't be eating meat at all.

>>12654926
Huh?

>>12658986
>it's another reddit nigger announcing sage and using it as a down vote button

Whole roasted chicken is easy

http://dish.allrecipes.com/the-best-roast-chicken/
I use this guide to give me the right cooking time. You can season the chicken with only salt and it'll taste amazing. You can also add garlic, herbs, spices, or premade seasonings. Put a bunch of random veggies underneath the chicken and you have a side dish. Carrot, onion, and celery is a good start. You can also add mushrooms, yams, squash, etc. Just trim the fat from the chicken and skip making gravy to keep the fat down. Don't add any butter, either.

>>12659308

>You can season the chicken with only salt and it'll taste amazing.

Debatable with modern frankenchickens

>>12654722
Anything greek or lebanese, and mediterranean diet will work for Dad, given takeout night of limited choices. Think a hummus platter with babaghanouj (eggplant) dips, a salad, good olive oil dressed isreali or taboulleh salad, simple pita, yogurt or tahini dressings. Add a chicken skewer or a couple falafel balls or a kibbe, and there's little wrong with any of it. You can rub a while chicken with greek, cajun, french or bbq seasoning and toss it in the oven spatchcocked, or chicken breasts on the bone (skin-on), in a baking dish. Literally 350F uncovered til brown, then cover it. I like to marinate in lime juice, black pepper, paprika olive oil, chopped garlic under the skin (citrus is a nifty trick substitute for salt use). When browned, I will dump in a bag of valencia rice, a chopped onion, a can of whole tomatoes with juice and 2 cups of water and cover the baking dish, and the chicken bone drippings make the spanish valencia rice as creamy as italian risotto, with lots of lime, chunky tomatoes, and roasted ionion and garlic flavor.
Any time you can thin the chicken portion with more veggies, the less deprived he will be...so think about chunking up peppers, onions, eggplant, zucchini, butternut squash (can buy it frozen in a bag), and a one pot dinner of browned chicken cubes is nearly done. Pot of brown rice, saucey melange of veggies and chicken. Think about lite coconut milk and thai curry paste finished with a handful of basil. Stewed italian style tomatoes (low sodium) or roasted tomatoes.
Fish can be made less salt filled or oily by thinking mexican. Fresh mango-lime salsa over a baked or steamed-in-foil packet fish adds a ton of flavor from the acid. Baked tortilla chips sprinkled with lime and chili powder can dip into a fresh (steamed and chilled) shrimp or crab ceviche.
Blackened seasoning makes good flavored chicken or steak that can top a big bowl of salad, whether caesar or cobb style.

>>12659371
Well... Damn. Thank you anon, this is the type of response I was looking for

>>12659376
>Well... Damn. Thank you anon, this is the type of response I was looking for
You're welcome.
Also, get him an assortment of every Mrs. Dash seasoning made, and he can alternate the flavors so he is less bored with chicken.

I love a yogurt marinated chicken, which you can do overnight right in the baking dish. Prep at bedtime some chopped garlic, raw ginger, garam masala or curry powder blend or jerk seasoning blend (none have salt). Saute the garlic briefly in olive oil, remove from heat, stir in curry powder to warm it, stir in raw ginger, and when cooled some, juice of two lemons, stir and combine with a tub of greek yogurt. When cool, pour over chicken in baking dish, cover overnight. Remove dish to oven (no need to preheat), covered in foil, and 350F until thermometer done, remove cover to brown, and finish with cilantro. Veggie side if desired. Brown rice. Pita. Anything you want. I like to bake chunks of a ripe plantain and peas n rice if doing jerk style. Indian style curry, I'll throw a bay leaf and cumin into the rice pot. Greek style would be no ginger, plus thyme marjoram oregano, even more garlic and lemon. Roasted veggies can be added to the yogurt, and the yogurt quantity can be doubled if you want more "sauce" to enjoy with your rice.

Mini meatloaf (big patties) is one answer for people not so much into the fat or red meat beef, and be frozen and reheated one by one. Pulse in the food processor (or buy a little one for dad), batches of mushrooms, red peppers, onion, carrot, etc. You can 50/50 the mushrooms and beef, as long as you bind it with eggwhite and bread crumbs. Top with chili sauce. Turkey works if you add more herbs and cover it to prevent drying out.

You can bread meats like pork loin and oven-fry them. Wet them with mustard, then adhere panko or homemade chunky breadcrumbs (heels of bread), herbs like rosemary/basil/oregano/cilantro and citrus zest. Bake until crispy. Sheet pan dinners.

>>12654722
if there's an Asian market in your area hit the tofu shop and start s sampling

>>12654722
>he "doesn't like fish"
Just let him die, it's better this way.

>>12654722
get him on sardines nigga