/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>12600116
My nigga.

Most pumpkin ales I find are mostly just bottom of the barrel ales with pumpkin syrup or flavoring added. But every now and then you find the real shit and its heaven.

>>12600116
based. cannot wait.

>>12600920
Any recommendations?

>>12600936
I unironically love pumking from southern tier

Pairs nice with spooky food

>>12600116
>A great ale to lie down and avoid...

Some are good. Some are terrible. I might make one just to do it, but I've got the fear - on the bright side, I could get away with it being a bit under-ripe. That green flavour would probably work really well with pumpkin and a bit of allspice.

>>12600941
pumking is easily in my top 5 favorite brew of any style. Although I am slightly partial to southern tier because they started in my area so I have access to toooons of their beers for good prices

>>12600951
Im a new brewer but would love to try a pumpkin ale, how hard do you think they are? Like if you had to rate it as beginner/novice/intermediate/difficult/expert or something like that

>>12601213
>im a new brewer
where's your ciccerone level 3?
oh you mean you're a fat suburbanite with a carboy in your garage

>>12601218
calm down chief

>>12601218
Don’t be a fuckhead.

>>12601222
>>12601224
No. You don't call someone a doctor because they can put a bandaid on a skinned knee. You don't call someone a chef because they can microwave a hot pocket. These titles mean something and take blood, sweat and tears to attain. Brewer is a time-old profession with centuries (if not millenia) of history, craft, technique, science and knowledge behind it. If you're a "home brewer" you're just an idiot child playing with adult toys. Don't call yourself a brewer, don't share your """"beer"""" with others, don't talk like you know shit and don't give up your day job. I'm not here to be an asshole, I'm literally doing you a favor. There are a lot of actual brewers with the arms of working men who would cave your shit in for the level of disrespect you are showing for an actual art and profession. You can't (and shouldn't) make a pumpkin beer, just as you can't (and shouldn't) perform open heart surgery. Come back when your tanks are taller than your head.

that's fucking cringe, sweetie.

@12601258

>>12601258
okay cum wagon, what should a home brewer refer to themselves as? This is coming from an apprentice brewer (my actual fucking title, says it on my shirt) and I am a big supporter of home brew. And before you fire back with "oh you're just an apprentice go fuck yourself" I will be a full brewer soon and will harbor no ill feelings towards homebrewers. Dont be a fucking faggot man. You think any brewing company worth their salt didnt start as a hobby with a carboy in the kitchen? When the fuck did /ck/ get so damn pretentious

oh sweetie you gave him a (you), why did you have to do that?

>>12600941
Really? After they upped their distribution and price 2 years ago I've noticed a drop in quality. Any others you'd recommend? I can't bring myself to spend so much on pumpking after I noticed the quality drop.

>>12601258
nice analogy except literally fucking anyone can make beer in their spare time, not many people perform heart surgery as a hobby. if you brew beer, you are a brewer. Do you think greenhouse faggots freak out when their customers call themselves "gardeners"

>>12601218
Literally anyone can get a cicerone cert. It's as easy as high school.

>>12601258
Not that guy. I work at a brewery in Illinois. You need to calm your shit.

>>12601281
>an apprentice brewer (my actual fucking title, says it on my shirt)
nothing wrong with being an actual apprentice brewer, that's how it should be, it's like blacksmithing or cooking, you learn it from a master
that said, the fact that you work somewhere that prints your title on your shirt like a special needs child says a lot. what's brewing over there at Miller-Coors? you learning all about corn?
>i will be a full brewer soon
just like the black belt from Sensei Chad at the dojo down the street makes me a real ninja.

>>12601291
I honestly havn't noticed a drop in quality, but that could be because most of the beer I get from them is bottled at the original brewery.

as far as suggestions, I guess I'll just give you my top 5 from them (no specific order)
pumpking
2xIPA
warlock (harder to get)
citra hopped live pale ale
phin & matts extraordinary

if you havnt tried any of these, give them a shot

>>12601310
not the dude you are squabbling with but my friend works for a brewery and also has labelled shirts. I don't think its that big of a deal

>>12601213
Sanitation's the important part... and I guess not going too far off recipe. For a 5gal batch, I'd go with 10lbs or so of base malt, 1-2 lbs of something sweeter. If going dark with pumpkin, like a 1/2 oz of light-roasted chocolate or dark-roasted crystal/caramel malt. Kind of easy on the hops, maybe an ounce earlier on 15-30 mins into a 60min boil. A good amount of roasted pumpkin, or pumpkin puree near the end, with some allspice, and maybe some cinnamon, passed on to primary, and maybe even secondary fermentation if you're doing three passes.

Intermediate I guess? It's got the extra step of getting a pumpkin flavour in there, and making sure you don't grow any friends. Probably an expert-evel thing to get right by anything other than fluke, judging by how many commercial breweries can't seem to get it right.

>>12601292
literally anyone can color in a coloring book with a crayon, but you don't call them artists.
>>12601301
>I work at a brewery in Illinois
nice brah, how many hazy NEIPAs on the menu brah?
>>12601297
I said Ciccerone level 3. Involves travelling to a specialized place of learning and proving your ability to discern hop and malt flavors by blindfolded smell test and taste test. Try it, high schooler.

>>12601318
>sharing recipe recommendations with a homebrew rube
you might as well teach a dog to write shakespeare, it will NEVER work, do NOT encourage this amateur fuckery

>>12601318
thanks for the input man, I might give it a shot. Worst case scenario I screw up a batch, not the end of the world!

>>12601326
what is the route of all this tension against homebrewing? Do you even work in a brewery? or are you just some angry cuckold who cant afford a carboy

>>12601316
Shirts are cheap to make these days man. Pop a small box over to a print-shop with a large format flatbed, and you're looking at maybe $8 per unit.

>continuing to give him (you)s
you guys deserve the shit he's spewing.

>>12601338
my guess is hes an angry cuckold. Probably tried to brew once, thought he was too smart for the directions, infected his batch, and never tried again because he wasnt immediately an expert at it

>>12601339
exactly, so why not throw titles on them? I think most companies do that

>>12601326
Everyone starts out somewhere. He's starting here. I was lucky enough to be friends with an assistant brewer, but I did all my shit at home, and he did most of his experimenting in his tiny apartment. Now he runs the brewery, and brings me in a few times a year to give input and check up on the experiments in "test tube" 13. We've flown all over Canada and the US working with breweries, greenhouses, farms and labs, when I'm not touring or jabbing ink into people. All from amateur fuckery. Brewing is art. It's very science heavy, but it's art. It can be ugly and unpalatable, but if the zymurgist created what he wanted in that glass, then it's exactly what it was meant to be. If he fucked it up, he learns from it... and the hows and whys of failure are very important early on - read up, and if you can grab a mentor, do so.

But yeah, homebrew guy - go for it. Balls deep. Troll dude - there are better uses of your time, show us how it's done.

>>12601338
>>12601345
>working in a brewery makes you a brewer
I'm retired by choice, the industry is nothing but poison these days, the actual ART in brewing is going to take a long time to lie low before it resurfaces in small communities, the current state of brewing is nothing but crass capitalism and making BEER that doesn't taste like BEER, it's corrupted by the engine of dollars and mass appeal and a shadow of what it once was. If you don't see this then you probably drink nothing but hazy NEIPAs and talk about how "dank" they are through your plaid flannel and ironic beard as if LOOKING like a man makes you a man. When I started brewing we shared our secrets over chats and message boards that you had to have the right name or login to use, now any 30something that just acclimated to Ballast Point Sculpin can look up recipes on the internet and order a kit through amazon dot com and 3d print whatever they want. This is not the way it was meant to be, it's not the way our forefathers did it and it will fall just like the rest of this easy-way-out millenial "society"

>>12601383
>forefathers did it

They also did a lot of things differently, get fucked you retard

>>12601383
>retired by choice
oh so just another ornery boomer who got pissy when people decided they wanted more from beer than canned pilsners? Shoved out of your position because you couldn't adapt to the changing tastes of beer lovers so now you take your anger out on some dude on 4chan who asked about trying his hand at a pumpkin ale. What was the position you "retired by choice" from, if I may ask?

>>12601383
Our forefathers crossed pale German lagers with ham-fisted capitolism, and gave rise to an internation standard of bland "Pilsner". All filler, no killer, just money in the bank. It's so much easier to separate the art from the currency when there are no expectations.

>>12601380
homebrew guy here, thanks for not being a cunt! Im super jealous of the experiences you get having a real brewer as a friend! Live it up man, you struck gold!

>>12601398
>changing the subject
I don't think so, no-brainer
I bet you drink chocolate stouts.

>>12601408
oh I struck a nerve? you're a shitty troll, and were probably a shitty brew employee (likely why you "retired")

>>12601408
obviously I drink chocolate stouts? If its beer and it tastes good i'll pour up a glass. The fact that you keep trying to use styles of beer as insults makes me think your fridge hasn't seen anything but miller lite since 1996

how can i get started with homebrewing? anyone know of a good starter kit or some YouTube channels?

>>12601426
fuck youtube channels honestly, head to your local brew supply store. thats where I started. Most guys at those stores are so passionate about home brew that they will be willing to guide you through the process of getting started just because its fun for them

>>12601406
I pay for my own flights and hotels. He's making a good living, but I make more from tattoos than my touring and his brewing combined. When he was asked to take over operations (same head brewer, but he runs the brewery), there was a lot of internal pressure to just stick to the flagship beers - lager, weissbier, stout and red. We got wrecked, and I told him that I would buy a full case every week of whatever nonsense he decided to put out, and I would go a local pub every day and try to turn them onto having his stuff on tap, with a discount on the oddballs. He's now in 20 pubs in this city, 12 of which have an experiment tap (one of which has one of my carvings as a handle)... but I couldn't do it full time. I love my permanent art too much to trade it for something I can chug in a few seconds.

>>12601434
You're an awesome friend, and a gift to the beer community. I wish more people were passionate about getting good beers out there. Also im super intrigued about the carvings you mentioned, is it something you can post without giving away anything too personal? I'd love to see one

>>12601426
>>12601431
Very much this. Maybe start with a kit, but if you're getting into it, it's more about the equipment than having a ready-to-make can of ingredients. If you can afford a decent kettle/pot, a lautering tun (a lot of places will have adapted coolers ready to go... looks janky, but it usually works), some tubing, an autosiphon, a good burner, and a good method for sanitization, you're on your way. It isn't the cheapest thing in the world, so maybe start out by brewing at the store if you can. A lot of places will rent out kettle time, and carboy space. You can do it yourself, or pay them a bit more and they'll do the whole thing for you... but what would you get from that?

>>12601445
I keep myself pretty private on here. I know one person already who can pick me out by how I type (like a god damned retard). Let's just say I've been here for longer than I've been doing just about anything else... drawing and maybe cooking.

>>12601414
Not that my employment record has anything to do with my opinions, BUT...
-maybe I didn't SELL OUT enough for some
-maybe my ideas were too "traditional" or too "radical" (depending on who you ask)
-maybe the old way is the best way
-maybe women don't recognize a real man when they're smacked in the face with one
-maybe decades of experience make someone "outdated"

Let's just say I QUIT because I don't just play along.

>>12601461
fair enough man, I also try to stay low key so I completely understand. Still dope and maybe one day ill taste on of your friends beers without even knowing it!

>>12601474
*cough* ornery boomer *cough*

>>12601474
>maybe women don't recognize...
this sounds juicier than my super hazy mango neipa. Just kidding, kinda. This batch is a smoked buckwheat braggot. I did make a tangerine neipa abortion back in June though. I think that tank was sold out before we emptied it.

>>12600936
If you can find any of pic related its damn good. I especially like Night Owl.

>>12601538
All inbev trash.

>>12601545
I don't think they'd be able to make four pumpkin beers without the financial backing.

>>12601538
>Elysian
Budweiser """""""craft""""""" beer brand

>>12601545
>>12601577
stfu, that night owl is actually one of the best pumpkin ales i've ever had. and i'l pay 15$+ for a single bottle of anything else. you tards are shitting on something you've never had.

>>12600116
>pumpkin beer
this is where i draw the fucking line

>>12602639
There's a whole world beyond that line

>>12601383
>I'm retarded by choice
ftfy old timer

>>12602639
Nothing wrong with pumpkin beer. It’s not like the Starbucks “PUMPKIN SPICE EVERYTHING” trend and has been around for years.
Although, with the rise of milkshake beers I’m sure you can find one like that if you wanted.