/ck/ - Food & Cooking

Why would a vegan want to eat at a restaurant that serves meat? Aren't they supporting meat eating by proxy at that point? Idiots.

>>12568220
The actual thinking vegan minds (like Joey Carbstrong) are waaaay past that. He promotes his vegan followers to support fast food joints (which sell vegan products) and he's right.

Vegans are winning this battle on all fronts, even at "burger joints" lol.

>>12568214
if you give a shit about contamination you shouldn't be at a non-vegan restaurant in the first place.

>>12568237
>Vegans are winning this battle on all fronts

Cringe and yikes. This is the power of an echo chamber.

>>12568220
Lots of vegans make compromises. They have non-vegan friends, for instance.

>>12568245
Why would a vegan be friends with a carnist? That's like a Christian being friends with a Buddhist.

>>12568267
The Bible explicitly tells you to not discuss things, except perhaps briefly and out of necessity, with the infidels

>>12568214
>is it at all possible for a vegan to eat at a restaurant that also serves meat?
Yes, in fact they can even eat meat

>>12568214
What the fuck do you mean "contamination"? You aren't allergic to meat you retard. It's a moral choice, and there's no such "contamination" which can affect that.

>>12568281
If the establishment serves liquirs, after several shots the vegan _will_ eat meat too.

>>12568242
Impossible Burger Is Now Grubhub’s Most Popular Late-Night Snack
In its new “State of the Plate” report, the delivery platform analyzes more than 500,000 orders placed in the first half of 2019 to find that plant-based food is skyrocketing in popularity.

>The power of a faggotchamber everyone.

No, you shouldn't even enter them. There are meat particles everywhere. They'll even get into the veggies' atoms

>>12568364
i'm kind of glad we're coming up with meat alternatives but you're a bit delusional if you think the sales are anywhere close to how many real beef burgers are being sold altogether

i'd really like to try a lab-grown meat burger

>>12568364
They were also the big meme food for hipster fags. Get back with me in a couple years

>>12568286
try telling vegans that.
>work at pizza joint
>we've been doing vegetarian options since the 80's without issue
>vegans start returning in droves saying they can taste meat in the bread
>this was after getting separate boards and pizza knife for these fuckers
>have to start using this extremely expensive mock cheese you can only order from korea
>still endless complaints about contamination (mind you despite asking multiple times for pictures of what meat product they're on about they usually say we're hiding it in the sauce or some shit)
>boss runs a campaign on official fb page to ask what the fuck they want
>this one autistic dude says we need to stick to the "one meater rule" in light of the recent draconian cyclist laws to help the government raise revenue while endangering the lives of everyone (see Transport Operations (Road Use Management) Act 1995 rev2016)
>gets fucking wrecked in the comments by customers because it basically means we'd need to build two stores inside of one to maintain that kind of retarded seperation
>boss tells them find another store then immediately deletes entire thread
>mfw we're 4.8 stars on google reviews still

>>12568403
>>this one autistic dude says we need to stick to the "one meater rule" in light of the recent draconian cyclist laws to help the government raise revenue while endangering the lives of everyone (see Transport Operations (Road Use Management) Act 1995 rev2016)

This is where you lost me. I'm not doing homework. Care to expound upon this?

>>12568408
This.

Expand upon this or give us a link.

>>12568214
>>12568214
to heck with vegan, I want to eat the girl :)

>>12568408
>>12568412
Cars have to maintain a one metre clearance when overtaking cyclists, which is frequently impossible without putting your car in a very dangerous situation.

>>12568432
this and it goes further by making passing on double lines... legal in this particular situation. i.e. a cop may choose to not see the cyclist.

>>12568432
Why are you guys driving and riding bikes in the kitchen in the first place?

>>12568281
>>12568288
Red pilled, veganism is short term

>>12568214
Treating veganism like an allergy instead of an ethical/political stand is absurd and you're dumb for considering it. Decide for yourself whether your ethical stand extend to boycotting establishments your friends like.

>>12568446
Great question

Why does every nonvegan spout bad faith questions constantly? It's almost as bad as holocaust deniers and its the same three questions every time. Then a bunch of retards reply and pat each other on the back for repeating the same shit as last thread.

>>12568561
Nonvegans have much lower IQ anon. It's been proven with science.

>>12568561
but how do you know vegetables don't feel pain

>>12568214
I think it is, i think we are in a time of transition where vegan will be more important but meat still remains.

My diet a few years ago was several kilos of meat a week, weight and blood-pressure spiked.

Now i eat vegan 2 days a week, chicken twice and fish once or twice meat once or twice.

I do love meat but i have developed a taste for vegan too.

>>12568583
Even if they did animal agriculture uses up more plants than a directly plant diet due to thermodynamics.

>>12568214
My ex was a seventh day Adventist. If we made pizza at home she used to bitch I want to put pepperoni on my pizza because the vapor would corrupt hers until I pointed out they cook multiple pizzas in the same ovens at pizza places.

Had the same problem with bbq joints where you can see them cut beef and pork (cooked), yet she had no problem if she couldn't see the meat cut...even though as a chef she knows in the kitchen they don't have separate knives/boards for special diet restrictions.

It's just like if she didn't see it was ok.

>>12568220
They want to signal to others that they are better than them because they don't eat animals like you, you filthy fuck. But....they then realize how logistically retarded their voluntary dietary restriction is, so they eat out at regular restaurants and just try to "veganize" all the meat dishes that they ate prior.

>>12568364
>fad food extremely popular
wow man you totally got him there

>>12568214
I know a vegan who goes to Fat Burger and asks the to clean the grill before they cook her vegan patty up.

>>12572705
Do they comply? Is there an extra fee?

>>12572774
She says they do and that she gives them a big tip since it slows down service. At least she's self aware, but why even go to Fat Burger if you would feel ill from the taste and smell of "rotting flesh", as she describes it.

Why is that realdoll holding a slice of pizza?

>>12568561
What three questions?
And I propose a fourth question- is milk Vegan??

Because vegans are always screaming at me that I'm a babby cow, and a animal rapist, but then every vegan child is drinking raw milk too. Why don't vegans scream at their own rapist children?

I think vegans might be insane.

>>12568595
You are in no way vegan. The word "vegan" does not describe your diet in any way. You are a meat eating omnivore, adjusting your level of meat consumption, to find what works for you.

>>12568214
If a vegan is that concerned about meat beung near his food then he might as well go die in a forest. There are animal byproducts everywhere, it's impossible to live a normal lifestyle in a city without benefiting from dead animals.

"vegan" is just a buzzword. it depends on how far they want to take it. Are they ok with getting a vaccine derived from animals? what about a one tested on animals? Plants harvested on a factory farm that kills rabbits and rats in the combines? What about wearing leather or having it in your car? What about living in an industrialized nation that displaces animals, tests things on animals, using gasoline and oil products which helps kill scores of animals?
Its just a little buzword they can label themselves to feel good. Sort of calling someone a "racist", the only difference is thats a label for another person, but it's just as arbitrary.

>>12568214
No, so just dont be a vegan retards and behave like a normal person

>>12568267
I don't have any vegan friends and I don't give a shit because I'm a normal person?

>>12573401
I like this description. According to the modern definition of "vegan" which includes "does not exploit animals, do no harm to animals" according to this description, there are No vegans.

Because animal habitat had to be plowed over
To make vegetable farms out of forest.
(exploited animals while destroying their habitat.) And animals are constantly killed to protect the produce in the field, which exploits and kills the fuck out of animals. (Or else rabbits and deer would eat all the corn before it ever gets to a Vegans plate.)

https://theconversation.com/ordering-the-vegetarian-meal-theres-more-animal-blood-on-your-hands-4659

>>12568364
>more than 500,000 orders placed in the first half of 2019
McDonalds did double that last fucking week, just in Big Macs.

>Grubhub’s Most Popular Late-Night Snack
Because this means fuck all? A site that classifies a HAMBURGER as a "late-night snack"?
Probably because it sucks ass as an actual meal.

I'd eat lab meat if it ever actually worked, but i'm not eating some bullshit vegetables in a blender horse shit that you claim "is just like meat!" No it fucking isn't.

>Vegans hate eating meat
>Obsessed with making shit that tastes like meat but only tastes like shit to people who actually eat meat

>>12573438
>>Vegans hate eating meat
>>Obsessed with making shit that tastes like meat

Vegans are insane there is no other way to look at this.

>Can you blend up a bunch of peas and soy and make it kinda look like meat?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jR6kJ9SboD8&app=desktop

>>12568446
>Not doing drive by deep frying

>>12573438
Based retard, most vegans don't hate eating meat. They hate animals being killed for it. I was huge on bacon before going vegan. No one goes vegan for the taste.

>>12573464
>Carnists hate eating vegetables
>Obsessed with making shit that tastes like meat

Carnists are insane there is no other way to look at this.

>Can you blend up a bunch of animal fats and drown vegetables in it so they taste like meat?

>>12568214
She looks kinda cute
But she has so much makeup holy heck

>>12574072
>meme glasses
>meme makeup
>meme hoodie
>meme food
she's a solid 0/10 for me, doc. depending on how nice her feet is, i'd add maybe 3 points.

>>12574081
based

>>12574081
Based and feetpilled

>>12568214
No. Cooks usually try to avoid cross contamination of raw products, but cooked products or things like the grill aren’t ever a huge concern.

There’s almost guaranteed beef/pork fat in any vegan meal if there’s beef/pork present unless the whole meal is served cold.

>>12574081
She might be a completely empty lighthouse up there, but I’d still cum in her sideways yellow pussy

>>12573861
>Obsessed with making shit that tastes like meat
Carnists are insane there is no other way to look at this.
>Can you blend up a bunch of animal fats and drown vegetables in it so they taste like meat?

Where in the fuck has this happened? Probably only in fucking America, right?

People who eat meat add veggies/spices/herbs and shit to ENHANCE the flavour, not to "make them taste like meat" you fucking mong.
I forgot about all those Imitation-Vegetables on store shelves that use the same material as sausages/hotdogs but turns them into celery sticks that taste NOTHING like celery. Oh wait, that's nothing like vegan shit, it would be more like

>Carnivores are obsessed with never eating greens
>EVER
>Sausage Slurry Salad with 0 plant material
>Literally every vegetable and fruit ever to exist now exists as a "MEAT" version that tastes nothing like said vegetable, looks nothing like said vegetable, and costs 3x as much
>Constantly pisses and moans how Meat-Zucchinis TOTALLY taste the same as real Zucchinis, and are healthier
>Dies of malnutrition because he didn't eat 30 different types of "LeMeats" to give him the protien/nutrients he could get from a single V8

>>12573604
>Based retard, most vegans don't hate eating meat. They hate animals being killed for it. I was huge on bacon before going vegan. No one goes vegan for the taste
So they're pussies? Gotcha. If all it takes is some pictures of some sad animals on a farm to get you to stop eating meat then holy shit. I watched the Earthlings documentary about animal cruelty (pretty graphic, there's a scene where 2 guys are literally ripping the hide off a live fox like they were trying to husk a giant cob of corn) and sat through it's cringeworthy "pro-vegan" shit at the end. Did that change my mind? No, it made me want to get a burger.

I want to curb stomp every single weeb

>>12575766
2/2
>>12573604
You ever seen the shit that happens in nature?
Yeah, being raised/killed in a factory might not be the most awesome life ever, but I'd take getting Zapped/Clonked/"No Cunty For Old Men Thingamajigged" over slowly being eaten alive from the ass-up by a predator that doesn't give a shit about my suffering AT ALL and is content to slowly watch me die as it's meal-time entertainment.

By the way, they tend to start at the gonads and work their way up. Best case scenario is you manage to escape and then it's Gator_VS_Zebra.webm as you slowly wait to die from wounds that have a -100% survival rate.

That being said, I DO have a problem with animal cruelty. I DON'T have a problem with eating them.
Animals die, that's the price of meat.
They should be treated well and killed instantaneously with no pain. Not all of them are treated this way unfortunately, but that isn't ever going to stop me from eating meat.

Like seriously, why don't they just use giant-ass guillotines? It could be designed to limit suffering while also being a lot less prone to accidents/failures like the Punch-Rod Guns and shit. Hell it could even be designed to where the animal literally has no idea what's coming and just ends up sticking it's head into a hole, triggering a sensor, then BAM!

>That being said, I DO have a problem with animal cruelty. I DON'T have a problem with eating them.
Top fucking kek. Eating animals is inherently supporting a system that treats animals cruelly. You're so assblasted you typed out a 2 post reply on a mongolian sewing board. Absolutely pathetic.

>>12575773
>predators don't want to quickly kill their prey because they'd rather get their head bashed in by flailing hooves or gored by the horns
See, this is why if you were a real predator you wouldn't exist any longer to produce spawn. But we all know you're the pinnacle of predation because you drive 1/4 mile down to your fastfood pig trough and stop by wally world to get your pink slime "ground beef product" in a tube. So brave!

>>12575766
>>Based retard, most vegans don't hate eating meat. They hate animals being killed for it. I was huge on bacon before going vegan. No one goes vegan for the taste
>So they're pussies? Gotcha. If all it takes is some pictures of some sad animals on a farm to get you to stop eating meat then holy shit. I watched the Earthlings documentary about animal cruelty (pretty graphic, there's a scene where 2 guys are literally ripping the hide off a live fox like they were trying to husk a giant cob of corn) and sat through it's cringeworthy "pro-vegan" shit at the end. Did that change my mind? No, it made me want to get a burger.
The vegan friend/acquaintance I have literally puts slugs and sea cockroaches on the same level as human beings. We discussed our personal beliefs, and she was astounded that I could believe and share with her openly that human lives are worth more to me than other animals. That's not to say, as I explained, that I feel that humans should destroy ecosystems and poison the planet. That is not beneficial to humans, other animals, and the environment as a whole. But yeah she didn't reach out to me for a good month after I said that I was excited to eventually move out to a large rural property where I could hunt and butcher my own meat and use every part of the animal for different purposes. Even if you don't hunt animals, you will have to displace countless animals, bugs, an organisms to build your homestead and maintain a large garden.

>>12568214
>by the slice
interesting, but if she can't do a whole pizza then she ain't really worth it

>>12575971
>predators don't want to quickly kill their prey because they'd rather get their head bashed in by flailing hooves or gored by the horns
>See, this is why if you were a real predator you wouldn't exist any longer to produce spawn.
Projecting this hard.
I suppose all the nature clips I've seen of animals too weak to fight back while being eaten alive are totally fake/gay and staged right?
I forgot that all animals have sharp hooves and horns to fight back with.
I also forgot how cats totally don't slowly play with their prey before eating it.
I also forgot about how snakes ALWAYS crush their prey completely and never try swallowing their prey while it's still alive

>But we all know you're the pinnacle of predation because you drive 1/4 mile down to your fastfood pig trough and stop by wally world to get your pink slime "ground beef product" in a tube. So brave!
As opposed to doing the exact same damn thing but with "Legumes" and shit?
You think raising animals as food then butchering them is that hard?
>Oh wait, "Predator shit"
So, you think it's hard to sit in a fucking tree with a gun/bow and wait for an animal?
>Oh wait, "PREDATOR" shit
So, you think it's hard to round up a couple buddies with sharp sticks and run around the fields?
>Oh wait, "PREDATOR SHIT"
Gotta run around the forest naked and punch them to death to prove how much of a predator I am.

Stupid berry picking bastard.

>>12576232
You mad, lol!

>>12576357
Is that you John Wayne?
Is this me?

>>12568214
Stop being vegan. We have eaten meat for over 40 thousands years.. Why do you need to stop now?

>>12577259
>Why do you need to stop now?
Because MooMoos are :( apparently

>>12577259
Technology has removed the need. I live in the future, you're clinging to the past.

>>12577262
>removed the need

That's not a rational reason for making extra effort to not eat a particular variety of food, that's just explaining how much easier it is to acquire alternatives (and they are ALTERNATIVE to the mainstream, which leads to my next question). What is your conviction for the decision, retard?

>>12577721
There's nothing I can say to that which you have not already heard. And every one of your retorts to all of those things are ridiculous. I've heard them all before. Most of them involve fudging reality. I am not interested in engaging in discussion on this issue with anybody as unintelligent as you will statistically prove to be.

>>12568214
Imagine how disappointed her father is.

>>12568237
>He promotes his vegan followers to support fast food joints
So hes actively contributing to the culinary decline in western culture, in addition to engaging all the vegan freaks who cant just live their lives the way they want to while shutting their mouths.

Stand up guy.

>>12568403
>one meater rule
Anon you should know that for whatever reason I found this story incredibly hilarious, I spent a solid 2 mins just laughing at this.

>>12568595
>IF I EAT FEWER CALORIES I LOSE WEIGHT!
Stunningly brilliant

>>12572782
You know they 100% dont.

>>12568214
Only if meat is served at local gloryhole

>>12573861
>Carnists hate eating vegetables
But I like vegetables for what they are, I dont spend my time concocting ways to make meat taste like vegetables.

>>12577911
I've never been there, but it looks like a place where you can watch what they're doing at the grill. It doesn't matter to me. Vegan logic is comically nonsensical.

>>12576007
This person was retarded, like whale wars level retarded where they dont actually care about the science or practical impact just their misplaced personification.

>>12575971
>predators don't want to quickly kill their prey because they'd rather get their head bashed in by flailing hooves or gored by the horns
Predators want to kill their prey without being injured, they dont care about the timescale per se. Nearly all predators work in some level of exhausting or debilitating their prey.

>>12568214
>vegan
>restaurant
Pick one
Besides being vegan at home only outside of certain exceptions is cheap as hell while also ensuring ur blood is anti cancer

>>12568617
I'm pretty sure that's actually how it is for Muslims and pork too, something about Muhomhed pretty much stating pigs are dirty so don't eat them but they aren't disease riddled. Other religious leaders and such took it to the extreme that you shouldn't touch pigs/pork and that it taints everything it comes in contact with but the scripture itself kinda just reads that pork isn't clean meat do don't eat it unless you are starving to death and that's it.

>>12577865
For pulling a silly face and throwing a hand gesture in front of a camera while eating pizza? Perfectly healthy behavior. I hope you don't have daughters of your own.

>>12568595
I eat meat in every single meal and my weight and blood pressure are fine, maybe you are just stupid?

>>12577262
No it hasn't
Maybe when you are a half machine man that can run on oil and sunlight but your body still needs meat

>>12578033
Nope, not in the least. You're just not willing to accept that all nutrients have viable alternate sources.

>>12578039
Do wathever you want, its not my body that's at risk here

>>12568214
For now it is but hopefully in future vegans will be prevented from conatimating public spaces.

>>12578102
Aww, did a vegan hurt your feelings anon? Did they make you feel sad? Neck yourself landwhale

>>12568214

Lol you're contaminated by tbe world. Your existence is "morally impure" considering all the supply chains that prop up your lifestyle.

And you eat shit seed oils which fuck up your health.

>>12568237

Wow, you're winning at forcing more seed oils and sugar and soy down a population's throat. So congrats much namaste and needful.

>>12578383
Give me on reason why soy is bad for you. Bear in mind that phytoestrogens are not able to be used by mammalian bodies and that it slightly increases testosterone production. Also all the milk you drink is full of actual estrogen.

>>12578401
https://roguehealthandfitness.com/the-truth-about-soy/

Cognitive decline and promotion of breast tumors seem good enough. And yeah, milk is mostly sugary hormonal shit nowadays. Which is why I don't drink it.

I stick to butter and cheese.

>>12568214
Vegans really shouldn't go anywhere, like ever. For any reason.
All they do is complain and judge everything as being not good enough.
Restaurant? NO. Family dinner? NO. Friends BBQ? NO!
Stay home vegans. JUST STAY HOME

>>12578417
This os embarrassing. You're an adult human male and your brain is so god damn small that you don't realize that shitty 90's esque web page doesn't count as a source. You don't have any real medical studies to pull out so you'll source some bullshit blogger. Please do the world a favor and neck yourself.

>>12578442

"Ugh I can't even really" is how faggy you sound. It's okay, I'm an ex-vegan. But veganism is a really shitty position to put yourself in while under the shadow of big food.

https://roguehealthandfitness.com/dont-eat-tofu-if-you-want-a-functioning-brain/

(full paper is behind a paywall so the article is taken verbatim from the paper)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3074428/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11431339

https://academic.oup.com/humrep/article/23/11/2584/2913898

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1868922

>>12578489
Being an ex-vegan doesn't make you right. Drawing conclusions form three isolated studies is fucking retarded and isn't how medical science works. Unreplicated causal links don't make things facts. Stop linking your shitty blog you fucking faggot. People have eaten soybeans for millions of years.

>>12578489
CONT

"Well what do YOU eat?"

Eggs, coconut oil, canned sardines, feta cheese, actual rock salt, whey protein, and coffee. I cheat by eating out every once in a while. Also practice fasting, both intermittently and extended periods.

The neat thing about high-fat diets and fasting is that shit food either tastes unbearably bland or sickeningly sweet.

>>12578501

But the ratio of Omega-3 to Omega-6 fats is not

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12442909

"Several sources of information suggest that human beings evolved on a diet with a ratio of omega-6 to omega-3 essential fatty acids (EFA) of approximately 1 whereas in Western diets the ratio is 15/1-16.7/1. Western diets are deficient in omega-3 fatty acids, and have excessive amounts of omega-6 fatty acids compared with the diet on which human beings evolved and their genetic patterns were established. Excessive amounts of omega-6 polyunsaturated fatty acids (PUFA) and a very high omega-6/omega-3 ratio, as is found in today's Western diets, promote the pathogenesis of many diseases, including cardiovascular disease, cancer, and inflammatory and autoimmune diseases, whereas increased levels of omega-3 PUFA (a low omega-6/omega-3 ratio) exert suppressive effects. "

What you have to get into your head is that western societies are guinea pigs for nutritional novelties that never occurred in our evolutionary history. 99% of our culture is poison over time.

>>12578508
>What you have to get into your head is that western societies are guinea pigs for nutritional novelties that never occurred in our evolutionary history. 99% of our culture is poison over time.
This is just speculation and fear mongering. Cucked ideology, you sound like a Jordan Peterson fan faggot.

>>12578648
"This is just speculation and fear mongering."

You live in a world where most people are overweight, where at least 1/3 is obese, and where most nutritional advice is shit and yet I'm "fear mongering"?

Who shits you NPCs out? Culture is 99% poison. Deal with it or just continue being an NPC.

>>12577980
Anon, that photo took planning. Which means that she had to think "yeah im going to take this retarded selfie and then upload it".

>>12578648
that it is a novelty is demonstrably not speculation, that its poison is

>>12578818
Those obese landwhales aren't vegan retard. Its the high calorie diet of greasy meat for every meal thats responsible for that. You're throwing out classic holocaust denier techniques that just talk around inane points instead of arguing with direct facts.

why u post pic of girl with Down's syndrome? not nice

>>12579920

Seed oils are vegan and present in pretty much the vast majority of processed foods.

And there's a shitload of skinny fat vegans with little muscle and more fat. Advocating that people eat nominally "vegan" food from fast food joints, while pumped with sugar, seed oils, and soy, is the height of fucking retardation.

>>12568364
>Impossible Burger
Christ just stick with bulgar and beans and mushrooms. This shit is sick.

>>12580367

CONT

It's easier to lose weight on a diet of butter and eggs than any nominally "vegan" diet. Because how high fat diets don't cuck your saitation hormones. Most Americans haven't experienced being unable to take another bite from complete and sudden disinterest, far before the gut is full.

>>12568214
in theory yes
in practice no
line cooks just dont give two fucks enough to do that

>>12568267
lol a christian can BE a buddhist. Its a philosophy not a religion. Bunch of ppl added shit to it. Real buddhism is a philosophy buddha specifically didn't add religious stuff. People who adopted buddhism did.