/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>12412481
caloric intake - caloric outtake < 0

>>12412489
Oh boy, the retards are here.

>>12412489
>cico
apparantly that's some outdated shit

>>12412481
Yes exercise, go to /fit/ this is a fast food appreciation board

Diets shouldn’t be about how much food you get to eat, you’ll fail every time.

>>12412497
>2nd law of thermodynamics
>Outdated

>>12412481
No. Scientists say it is impossible.

>>12412506
>they're both engines why does this one use more fuel over the same distance that breaks science and shit

>>12412506
human metabolism is not a machine

>>12412489
yes
keto mainly works because a high fat diet will suppress the appetite in a major way
it's always calories in vs calories out. there is no mystery to how this works
that said, a high-fat, low-carb diet just feels like the way to go for people who love animal fat, butter, oil, etc.
you can't have carbs and sugars and also fats or it's insulin spike city
what they are saying is a ketogenic diet has been done for decades. reducing carbs is going to make you lose bodyfat, period. and also water

>>12412514
>>12412515
It's as good as it gets and it works. Your body isn't going to generate weight out of nothing. Are you fags still blaming "muh genetics" these days?

>>12412526
>Are you fags still blaming "muh genetics" these days?
it's all about hormones these days

>>12412492
>>12412497
That's literally how it works. Fad diets come and go and most have health problems that get in the way. Literally the only surefire way is to monitor your calories in and calories out. Your metabolism increases the fatter you get and eventually your body starts burning it faster. It's all about self-control and discipline.

>>12412481
stop eating and you will lose weight, simple as.

>>12412552
Diets that tell you to eat consistently less fail in 95%+ of cases. This is because of hormonal problems caused by eating patterns that lead to the person becoming fat in the first place are not fixed (the phenomena known as body-set weight where short term declines or increases in weight will eventually rebound due to hormones influencing decision making and body function). This is why fasting has become popular because it can lower insulin resistance and change these hormonal problems.

>>12412518
The issue with reducing carbs is that if you do it too much, you're fucking up a lot of bodily functions along the way.
>>12412584
Fasting can fuck up your body in so many ways if done improperly. You don't even need to eat a lot less. Eat smaller meals throughout the day to keep your metabolism active and just fucking walk around. It's incredibly hard to be fat if you just move more.

>>12412604
>Fasting can fuck up your body in so many ways if done improperly.
The only problem is in healthy or underweight people doing prolonged fasts. Fat people who add electrolytes into their water will experience no problems because refeeding syndrome is caused by sugar being quickly re-introduced while lacking electrolytes - specifically phosphorus.

>Eat smaller meals throughout the day to keep your metabolism active and just fucking walk around. It's incredibly hard to be fat if you just move more.
Your metabolism does not turn off if you fail to eat, metabolism is the process of chemically transforming sugars and fats into usable energy. In fact, eating constantly throughout the day is what causes insulin resistance (pre-diabetes) which is how obesity develops in the first place.

You are giving out horrible outdated dietary advice

>>12412584
>This is because of hormonal problems caused by eating patterns that lead to the person becoming fat in the first place are not fixed

This is because people don't read serving sizes most the time. I recall my roommate became a fat fuck because he though ever gallon of milk and thing he ate was the label on the front and not per serving

>>12412653
>eating constantly throughout the day is what causes insulin resistance (pre-diabetes) which is how obesity develops in the first place.
Literally not a single thing you said here was true in any way

>>12412481
Do cardio, cap yourself at 1500 calories per day, lose weight

>>12412489
This but also try to increase testosterone and estrogen levels while lowering cortisol levels. This is where a lot of people get stuck. You can do simple stuff like thinking positively and start finding stuff that inspires you to help with this.

If you have more muscle mass too it will make it so your burn more calories passively.

>>12412604
you're not
i promise you are not. you make sugars for the brain from the kidneury. it's automatic. you probably wont believe me but ive done maybe four years of extremely low carbs now. maybe 20 or fewer carbs per day.
calories in vs. calories out is the only thing that matters
but high fat will make you fill full, and high carbs will make you feel hungry. and if you are not highly-active, you're going to get fat

>>12412497
>>cico
>apparantly that's some outdated shit
I know this is almost certainly just b8 but holy shit I hate ketofags.

>>12412584
>the phenomena known as body-set weight where short term declines or increases in weight will eventually rebound due to hormones influencing decision making and body function
No. Unless you have an actual diagnosed pituitary/endocrine issue then what you’re saying is fatty cope junk science

>>12412677
>you make sugars for the brain from the kidneury
lack of carbs has rotted your brain.

>>12412677
>you make sugars for the brain from the kidneury
Nice one, sounds like you need some actual more direct glucose source

>but high fat will make you fill full, and high carbs will make you feel hungry.
Why do people pass off their completely baseless conjecture as fact?

>>12412669
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/intermittent-fasting-and-type-2-diabetes

>>12412681
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/your-brain-can-sabotage-your-summer-diet#1

>>12412701
>healthline
Explains a lot

Also had nothing to do with what I said

>>12412719
Everything on healthline links to academic papers or expert opinion

What is your source of information? A /fit/ wiki which is copied from a guy selling his own fitness program?

>>12412689
it's true
gluconeogenesis is established
>>12412695
im not. i'm just drawing a conclusion based on established science and decades of experiments on my own body. your mileage may vary. you may find that sugars and carbs will suppress your appetite. i dont find this to be the case. calm down. i am much bigger and leaner and stronger than you, and i am much more open to experimentation

>>12412729
Healthline is a glorified blog that cherrypicks bits of information from articles. Why is it so hard to link to an actual paper?

>>12412710
Lol, yet again zero actual studies. Pure opinion. The dogshit article even says the main thing with hormones is “hunger” not some magic thing where you don’t lose weight, it has to defer to starvation mode for this to have any grounding which isn’t dieting

>>12412731
>im just making baseless conjecture
Already noted. Also a blatant backtrack. Dont know why youre so asshurt

>>12412481
Just fast bro

>>12412755
alright dude
you are right, and i am wrong
sugar and carbs are good for losing bodyfat. you know best

>>12412735
>>12412753
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9155494
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19943985
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3592618
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16011467
https://news.usc.edu/63669/fasting-triggers-stem-cell-regeneration-of-damaged-old-immune-system/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2495396/pdf/postmedj00315-0056.pdf
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30813495

>>12412775
I didn’t say anything like that. Don’t know why you’re getting so shook over someone saying baseless conjecture is wrong

>>12412779
Cool. What is the relevance of any this?

>>12412481
I wrote a long ass post but pressed escape but a shorter version:
Check calories, protein, carbs and fiber for food and keep in mind all of those for if you were to eat a whole bag of something. You want low calories and carbs(around 35g for a meal is good), and high protein(reccomended daily amount is 60g, even 40-50 is better than most people) and fiber(so you actually feel full).

If you fully pigout on something and eat 2500 calories of junk food one day, then eat a can of black beans and salsa for penance.A full can of black beans will fill you up and be like 250 calories. Also don't drink your calories outside of milk, and even then keep it in moderation, don't gomad.

>>12412492
>CICO doesn’t wor—
Lost about ~40 lbs keeping to a 1200kcal/day diet. Wasn’t easy but it worked

>>12412481
load up on carbs

>>12412584
Imagine coping this hard

>>12412481
Kind of. If you run at a caloric defecit, your body will turn to ketosis (as opposed to glycolysis) to try to supply its energy needs. While the diet will steer you toward a longer/constant state of ketosis, it does raise the ketone content in your blood - past a certain threshold, especially if you're diabetic, that can be really bad for you.

So, yes with a but, or no with an if? If you're trying to lose weight, eating sensibly and exercise should be enough. If you're trying to lose weight quickly, consult a physician to see if your body can handle the shock, and starve it of glucose for a bit.

I lost 90 lbs and my main meal which I had 5 times per week was just oven-fries. Loads of pasta, bread and other carbs as well. Actually now that I think about it, it was a very carb heavy diet cause that's how I eat regularly.

I did bike 25-40 km per day so that probably helped