/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>12399393
lmao just eat less fatty

>>12399393
or we're just evolving to be fatter

>America is so fat that evolving is easier than losing weight

>>12399393
And it was sugar that made people type 2 diabetics all along. That's fucking shocking. I'm fucking shocked.

>>12399660
Truly before its time

>Doctors are so sick of shit they stopped diagnosing

>diabetics are dying so fast we can't even count them anymore

>>12399688
>tfw knew a diabetic who died
He didn't die of diabetes though. He suffocated. Still, it sucks man.

>>12399676
>And it was sugar that made people type 2 diabetics all along.
Not so fast ketotard. This says MORE people are becoming obese. I thought your fad diet was a "cheat code" for fat people to lose weight?

>>12399722
No, you can get fat on keto if you eat too many calories. It takes effort, but it can be done by the determined fat ones. I am a lifelong obligate keto with type 1 beetus.

>>12399735
>It takes effort
>determined fat ones
This is an overall US population trend of increasing obesity. You're making it sound like cutting out carbs is the exception instead of an explanation for this. Which is pretty much what I was getting at to begin with. I doubt cutting out carbs both reduced diabetes rates and increased obesity rates in the significant massive scale way these stories are talking about. You kind of have to pick one or the other.

>>12399753
And I don't understand why the concept of just overeating is paradoxical. I think abusing refined carbohydrates causes type 2 diabetes. Eating too much makes you fat. I don't have to pick one or the other.

>>12399774
You just said this a few minutes ago:
>>12399735
>It takes effort
>determined fat ones
If (like you've said) it's NOT the norm for people who cut out carbs to gain overeat and gain weight, then why are we seeing MORE people become obese *AT THE SAME TIME* as diabetes rates are decreasing? You're trying to explain the drop in diabetes in terms of people cutting out carbs at the same time as you're claiming more people are becoming obese even though doing that while cutting out carbs "takes effort" and isn't typical.

>>12399786
Added sugar and awareness of added sugar has at least helped cut down on diabetes. Overeating is still an issue, but people are cutting down on sugar.

I'm not that guy, but that was his point, I think.

I think the problem with ketotards is their lack of understanding of the very diet they preach.
Yes it works, no doubt but only if you're strict and disciplined in which case you might as well just go on a reduced calorie diet.
A girl at work claimed she was on keto for weeks and I asked her how it was going.
She said she hadn't lost any weight so I asked her what she was eating.
Turns out she was having McDonald's once or twice a week as a "dieting reward".
I bet she never even entered ketosis once.

>>12399798
>Overeating is still an issue
He claimed gaining weight while cutting out carbs was the exception rather than the rule and that it required effort / determination. That doesn't make sense if the overall trend for hundreds of millions of people went in the direction of increasing obesity at the same time as diabetes dropped. That would, by definition, mean it isn't the exception.

>>12399805
No dude, I don't think that's what he was claiming.

Insulin prices have ten-folded in the US in the last 25 years, so it's most likely that Americans just don't get the diagnosis as diabetics, since they can't afford the medicine anyways, and being a diabetic would increase the cost of their medical insurance premiums.

>>12399822
About this graph.
>adjusted for inflation it's 700% higher
So actually about 168$, not 255$, but that makes a less scary number graph.
>doesn't include discounts or rebates
People like to shittalk american drug system but often you can get medication at a free or reduced cost if you qualify. Just have to knoe how to do the paperwork.

>>12399786
Having eaten a ketogenic diet for a great many years, I can tell you with certainty that you can gain weight eating zero carbohydrates. You simply eat too many calories and you get fat. This would not be an incredible feat for someone who is accustomed to eating a huge amount of food. I can also tell you with certainty that copious amounts of refined carbohydrates increase insulin resistance, which causes type 2 diabetes. A person may treat his insulin resistance with a very low carbohydrate diet, yet a person still cannot eat 5000 kcals a day and not be obese, no matter the source of the calories. Typical? Are you kidding me? People eat too damn much. There is no magic bullet.

>>12399846
Retail price for a vial of humalog is $300 for me. The only people who don't have to worry about eating that either entirely, or for part of a year while they pay down the insurance deductible are wealthy people and people who make lesss than about $16k. So this is statistically most people. Do you know American doctors often advise diabetics to fill their prescriptions overseas on vacation and hand carry the insulin back home? That's how bad it is.

>>12399846
>So actually about 168$, not 255$,

No, it's 255$. It's just that 255$ nowadays isn't worth 255$ in 1996.
They couldn't put a graph saying the price is now 168$ because that's a lie, so it's natural to use the graph with the correct numbers. Not everything a magazine does is to shock or mislead readers.

>>12399888
And btw, the average diabetic uses two vials of insulin a month. That's $600.

>>12399900
>Medicine to treat my gross overeating is expensive.
Yeah, but the amount of shitty food to get to that level isn't. Fatties gonna fat, and literally pay double to fat more.

ive been intermittent fasting with my keto will that help a fat fuck like me bros

STOP EATING FATTY

>>12399888
>Typical? Are you kidding me?
Why are you asking *me* this? I keep on pointing out it's not something I claimed, it's something this anon claimed:
>>12399735
>It takes effort
>determined fat ones
^He clearly characterized gaining weight despite cutting out carbs as the exception rather than the rule.
>>12399811
>No dude, I don't think that's what he was claiming.
That's exactly what he was claiming. I'll try to break it down even further here:
We have a claim about sugar making people (type 2) diabetic (might be from the same anon who said "it takes effort" to gain weight while cutting out carbs or it might be a different anon, but either way this is what the conversation is premised on):
>>12399676
>And it was sugar that made people type 2 diabetics all along.
Here's my response:
>>12399722
>This says MORE people are becoming obese. I thought your fad diet was a "cheat code" for fat people to lose weight?
And here's the reply to that:
>>12399735
>No, you can get fat on keto if you eat too many calories. It takes effort, but it can be done by the determined fat ones.
>it takes effort
>determined fat ones
This unequivocally means we're talking about the exception and not the rule, which invalidates the theory this simultaneous drop in diabetes and rise in obesity can be explained in terms of people cutting out carbs. If it WERE explained by people cutting out carbs then we should be seeing FALLING rates of obesity, not RISING rates of obesity. The other possibility is to drop the "it takes effort" claim and say people who cut out carbs end up gaining more weight instead of losing more weight *on average*. This isn't what ketofags usually claim though.
Does that cover enough now or is there something else you want to go into on this topic?

>>12402186
>STOP EATING FATTY
Being fat is healthy now, dumbass. Doesn't cause diabetes anymore. Read the news.

>>12399676
>And it was sugar that made people type 2 diabetics all along.
Why are keto dieters so dishonest?
>Yeah bro, do keto, the weight just melts off like crazy!
>*New US diabetes cases fall as obesity rises*
>Looks like I was right, cutting out sugar solved diabetes!
>Also even more people gained weight because that's what keto did all along, just don't think about it too hard.

>>12402186
based snake man

>>12402212
You seem to still be confusing me with retard fad dieters. The only points I am trying to make are that diets very high in refined carbohydrates cause insulin insensitivity, which leads to type 2 diabetes. You can get fat eating to many calories, no matter the source of the macronutrient. An obese person is accustomed to eating large amounts of food. An obese person with type 2 diabetes may reverse his type 2 diabetes, yet still be obese by eating too many calories. Honestly, I think you are trolling, but you may be obtuse.

>>12401221
I am not fat. I am a type 1 diabetic and I will die without insulin, as my pancreas does not produce any. I am extremely pleased that people are treating their type 2 diabetes with diet rather than with insulin because it hurts the price-gouging pharmaceutical companies who are ruining my life.

>>12402313
You're an idiot. Like the other guy above, you don't understand type 2 diabetes, obesity, or what the ketogenic diet does and does not do.

>>12403558
>The only points I am trying to make are that diets very high in refined carbohydrates cause insulin insensitivity, which leads to type 2 diabetes.
>An obese person with type 2 diabetes may reverse his type 2 diabetes, yet still be obese by eating too many calories.
Try to understand why all these news stories are talking about this as a "paradox." Being overweight has always been the #1 predictor BY FAR for type 2 diabetes risk. Obesity increasing while diabetes rates are decreasing is absolutely not a normal or expected finding.
https://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-information/diabetes/overview/risk-factors-type-2-diabetes
>You are more likely to develop type 2 diabetes if you
>are overweight or obese
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/type-2-diabetes/symptoms-causes/syc-20351193
>Risk factors
>Factors that may increase your risk of type 2 diabetes include:
>Weight. Being overweight is a main risk factor for type 2 diabetes.
http://tosconnect.obesity.org/obesity/content/weight-diabetes
>How does my weight relate to type 2 diabetes?
>There are many risk factors for type 2 diabetes such as age, race, pregnancy, stress, certain medications, genetics or family history, high cholesterol and obesity. However, the single best predictor of type 2 diabetes is overweight or obesity. Almost 90% of people living with type 2 diabetes are overweight or have obesity
https://www.cdc.gov/diabetes/basics/risk-factors.html
>Prediabetes
>You’re at risk for developing prediabetes if you:
>Are overweight
>Type 2 Diabetes
>You’re at risk for developing type 2 diabetes if you:
>Have prediabetes
>Are overweight

>>12399800
>in which case you might as well just go on a reduced calorie diet.
Muscle retention alone makes keto superior to simple calorie reduction.

>>12403927
Which athletes have known forever. You shape your body with both calories and type of macronutrient. Both things matter. Anyone who says differntly is ignorant.

>>12403558
bruh i'm a type 1 as well but i'm Canadian i genuinely can't fathom how anybody with a chronic disease requiring constant medication survives in the states unless their rich. shit is fucked.

>>12404051
It's rough for middle class people. You're pretty much faced with 2 options: you can never quit your job because you could have a lapse in health insurance, or you quickly become poverty line level poor. And you have to be really poor to qualify for income based drug assistance (as in poor enough to be homeless). At this point in time you can still physically travel to Canada or Mexico and fill your prescriptions there. If they stop people from doing this, people will probably start getting assassinated. It's completely broken. If you've been watching any American news, you'll see that runaway prescription drug prices are a huge political issue right now. Both sides are trying to kiss ass. Remains to be seen if anything will get fixed soon.