/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>12339663
WTF? just buy the "mozzarella" you get in your super market and be done with it.

>>12339663
you interrogate cheese block

five hour, dim lit room

that what americans call "grilling"

>>12339663
Colby is good. So is cheddar. And Swiss. American, too. But the deli kind.

The best cheese for grilled cheese is Havarti, hands down. Don't let any of the other fuckers in this thread tell you otherwise.

chinamen have cheese?

>>12339663
look for something called Velveeta, it's a product you can only get in America. Don't be confused when you don't find it in the dairy section. It's on the shelves. Yes, the non-refrigerated ones.

>>12339688
Cheese isn't a big thing in China

>>12339691
Horrible idea making a grilled cheese with Velveeta. It's like those 7-11 pizzas in Singapore that use cheese sauce instead of cheese.

>>12339688
Technically, they should have some sort of cheese available
They have cows, they have milk, they have various forms of bacteria

And also, isn't tofu just cheese made out of soymilk?
It's made in basically the same way and everything

>>12339717
Tofu basically replaced cheese in their culture, dairy isn't as big a thing

You will also need good butter

>>12339717
>And also, isn't tofu just cheese made out of soymilk?
Have you ever had tofu? It has nothing to do with cheese other than a slightly similar production process. Everything from taste and texture is completely different. Tofu is near tasteless on its own and has a soft jelly-like texture.

>>12339663
Real FUCKING talk OP
This is probably the best bet you're going to have for making any sort of grilled cheese

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGCA9FcgKX4

You're going to want to go with American, but if you have your options of various cheese, try the "adult" version where the meltiness of the cheese is possible by blending the cheese with a little white wine

>>12339725
>Tofu is near tasteless on its own and has a soft jelly-like texture.
so it's uncultured cheese

>>12339730
you can also get around melt factor with that chemical powder they use

>>12339717
Tofu is not and can't be considered "cheese". IT doesn't even melt and would be horrible in a grilled sandwich.

>>12339725
1. the process is incredibly similar
2. not all cheeses are hard and plenty have softer textures

and honestly, it's 2019, who hasn't had tofu

>>12339663
>>12339663
Do NOT buy any AMERICAN made "cheese". It is total crap. Buy imported cheese. For a good melted cheese, go for cheddar or gruyere. Just make sure it is British cheddar or Swiss gruyere. Once you taste the original versions and then taste the American imitations, you will understand why.

>>12339733
>you can also get around melt factor with that chemical powder they use
Yeah, but that's not as readily available I have to guess

>>12339737
I'm not saying it is cheese
But it's pretty close in terms of prep
And tofu and paneer are very close IMO

>>12339737
feta doesn't melt

>>12339745
American cheese isn't fake cheese
It's processed cheese, which means it's real cheese with additives
American cheese isn't trying to imitate other cheese, it's trying to make those cheese into a different product

Also, I'm definitely willing to bet you live in a country that has a McDonald's or some sort of American fast food chain
So does OP, so regardless of what you say, the overwhelming opinion is leaning towards American cheese

>>12339663
Get some oil on your pan, stick a few cheddar slices in between your bread, toss your sandwich on your pan for a few minutes and enjoy. Ignore all the fags here asking you to use some fancy, shitty dutch cheese or whatever. All you'll need is a classic Great British cheese toastie.
Also you get more sex when you eat cheese toasties.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/569328/Cheese-toastie-eaters-more-sex-new-study

>>12339745
>buy imported cheese instead of american
he's in china you tard

>>12339753
There's no indication that he actually is in China. He would need to show his 4chan pass to prove it.

>>12339752
>Also you get more sex when you eat cheese toasties.
not if you control for income, social standing etc

>>12339752
>Get some oil on your pan,
You dumbfuck.

>>12339749
Yeah and therefore it wouldn't be very good in a grilled Cheese sandwich.

>>12339753
>>12339753
He said he is Chinese. Absolutely nothing about being in China. So all the Chinese people in America are really in China?

>>12339761
Oil makes the bread crispy on the outside and harder to burn. Preferably I'd cook up some bacon first and then wipe up the grease with the sandwich.

>>12339753
>>12339753
He said he is Chinese. Absolutely nothing about being in China. So all the Chinese people in America are really in China? Twat.

But oil tastes like shit. Butter each side of your bread. Simple. Or just melt butter in the pan. I have never heard of a grilled cheese being made with oil.

>>12339753
>>12339753
He said he is Chinese. Absolutely nothing about being in China. So all the Chinese people in America are really in China? Nigger

天安门事件

I never specified which type of oil retard. I just meant it generally so that your bread doesn't turn into charcoal.

>>12339751
The cheeses you make over in USA are nothing like the originals. Cheddar, mozzarella, gouda, etc. I know as I have been over there and eaten them. You cannot imitate centuries of perfection in a few years.

>>12339769
>>12339774
>>12339778
haha you made a funi

>>12339784
Please, tell me which oil would be best for making a grilled cheese sandwich.

>>12339825
Is that "grilled" with oil in a frying pan? Isn't that frying? How do you make a fried egg?

>>12339825
Butter

>>12339670
>grilled cheese
>mozzarella
don’t do that

>>12339825
Personally I'd use bacon grease just because I usually eat it in the morning after frying some bacon.
>>12339843
The Great British Cheese Toastie is the honest version of a grilled cheese.

>>12339814
>nothing like the originals
no shit
most of europe protects their specific recipe because of fraud from other european countries

but if you took an authentic cheddar or literally any kind of cheese, blended it up and mixed it with sodium citrate, that's American cheese

You don't have to be an idiot about this

>>12339849
It's great fuck you.

>>12339857
The thing is, Yanks grill things on a barbecue. They also grill things on a flat top griddle. They also grill cheese sandwiches in a frying pan. They are very lacking in cookery education. That is 3 different ways of cooking and they are all called the same. Basically, if you go to a restaurant and asked for grilled something, you have no idea how it is going to be cooked.

>>12339869
Blended it up? You don't blend cheddar. Yet you still call it cheddar. You are conning the consumers.

>>12339888
most conventional barbecues function as grills in America
most people don't call things cooked on griddles "grilled" unless its a cheese sandwich

but if you want to get into it with semantics
Both grilled cheese sandwiches and cheese toasties are misnomers because you don't actually grill or toast the cheese itself unless you're alton brown

>>12339896
>You don't blend cheddar.
Unless you're from Cheddar and you hail from a long line of Cheddar makers
and can prove it
You don't get to tell people what to do with their cheese

>You are conning the consumers.
I'm sorry, have you ever accidentally bought American cheese
Are you so dumb that you picked up American cheese and thought "oh this is different, but hey it says Cheese so it can only be the one thing I expect it to be"

you're a retard whose problem can only be solved by you not being an idiot

>>12339663
butter your bread before putting on pan, don't you dare just use oil on a pan. that's bullshit.

>>12339905
>>12339905
If you want to get into semantics a sandwich consists of something between two slices of bread. So if I am going to toast that cheese sandwich, I would expect the outside covering (bread) to be toasted, not the cheese. Have you ever made one?

>>12339916
Read the thread. I have eaten American cheeses in America. They are crap.

>>12339896
>You are conning the consumers
Tbf, that's permitted on such a large scale in every facet of business that we just accept the fact we're being conned with regard to our food and every other product. Iow, we've become complacent sheep happy to get whatever is slopped in our troughs.

>>12339945
But they weren't called toasted cheese sandwiches, they were called cheese toasties

functionally, they are cheese sandwiches that are toasted hence toasted cheese sandwich
But colloquially, they are referred to as cheese toasties with no reference to the bread

And if you were going to toast the bread, why would you only toast one side but still call the bread toasted?
It's only half toasted, even though you just said you expected the bread to be toasted
Sure you could lie and say you toast both sides, but we know that's not true and there's nothing you could do to prove otherwise

>>12339958
Saying "I don't like American cheese" isn't the same as proving that American cheeses are bad

Especially when American cheese is just european cheese but blended with chemicals to make it melt better

>>12339968
>>12339968
If you keep buying it, they will keep producing it.

>>12339979
And just how the fuck to you toast cheese?

>>12339993
In America, the government buys excess milk and cheese to prevent farmers from going broke

So maybe, but also maybe not

>>12339984
You've just explained it yourself.

>>12339998
Getting mad at me instead of that country's butchering of language isn't going to solve your problem anon

but hey, feel free to devolve into insults about how which language is spoken in which specific way
Won't stop you from eating lies, but hey, it's one way to kill a thread to prevent yourself from getting BTFO further

>>12340008
>CHEMICALS BAD
oh anon
you almost had a chance to look like a non-retard

so I'm going to ALDI to buy this cheese.........

>>12340011
>>12340011
>that country's butchering of language?
>devolve into insults about how which language is spoken in which specific way?

Please explain.

>>12340017
You made yourself look like are retard. I was talking about the word blend. Suck on that and play your banjo.

>>12339984
>>12339984
If American cheese is just European cheese, why do you have to add chemicals to make it melt. European cheeses melt perfectly as they are.

>>12340124
cheese separates into fat, protein and water when you melt it. Unless you add a melting salt, then it stays stable while melted

>>12339663
Just try different brands and types until you find what you like.

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>>12340362
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>>12340194
You're not making any sense. European cheese melts perfectly.

>>12340194
>>12340194
What the fuck are melting salts? Salts are anhydrous, meaning they absorb moisture.

>>12340194
>>12340194
There you go. Dumb Americans think European cheese when melted is not stable. What exactly is going to happen? Mushroom cloud? Plague?

He probably means sodium citrate. It's what emulsifies Velveeta and other easy melt cheeses.

>>12340568
if you melt cheese and pay attention, you can see what looks like beads of sweat on the surface, and if you heat it more the butterfat starts to separate. After the cheese cools the difference become pretty obvious. This is something you'd notice if you've ever heated cheese and have an iq over 80.

>>12340485
that's what they're called. it's to control the ph level.
>>12340457
An obvious example is if you make a cheese based sauce, you have to turn the heat off when you add the cheese otherwise the sauce breaks.
but maybe /ck/ is just clueless about cooking.

>>12340581
Your just proving American "cheese" isn't real cheese.

>>12339875
It's just rubber

>>12339717
Might as well say chipboard is cheese made of wood.

>>12340594
>>12340594
We're talking about cheese toasties and cheese on toast.

>>12340602
I don't care if you think it's 'fake', I'm not that anon. It's regular cheese with salts added afterwards to raise the ph. You might find it interesting as a yuropoor that the USDA actually regulates the definition of 'american cheese' kind of like DOP ingredients, so if you wanted to you could read an in depth description of the cheese from them.
I don't really care but calling it 'fake cheese' is like calling pretzels 'fake bread'
>>12340610
and I was only trying to explain 'american' cheese. They're different and it's down to preference.

>>12340594
A cheese based sauce? European cheeses make great sauces. They don't split either if done properly. No "melting salts" needed. Learn to cook with real cheese.

This thread just reminded me I have turkey bacon and cheddar and white bread in my fridge, i can whip up a nice fuckin grilled cheese right now

>>12340647
yes moron, and I mentioned the technique to keep it from breaking.

>>12340640
>>12340640
Getting angry cos the cheese is fake. Wow. DOP means Protected Designation of Origin, Laws that protect the names of specialty food products with a specific geographic origin.
Pretzels are not bread.

>>12340660
you need to sober up.

>>12340605
tasty rubber

>>12340675
It's the same, for the entire US.
You can't get one of these plants set up outside the US and still call it american cheese. It's called 'Standards of identity for food'

>>12339663
https://spoonuniversity.com/lifestyle/why-cheese-tea-is-china-s-latest-craze
Its a spice that you put into your tea mister Chinaman.

>>12339663
Swiss raclette cheese
Don't accept any substitute