/ck/ - Food & Cooking

They can be tastier. I assume it's for the same reason than a homegrown tomato is tastier than a cheap one from the store; they're given more time to ripen naturally instead of being forced to grow big and tasteless in as little time as possible.

>>12300415
We have a moral obligation to take care of the animals we raise and farm for food. They should be given a superior quality of life than what they could afford themselves in the wild. They should lead a relatively happy and healthy life, yes. If they don't the end product suffers and we ultimately suffer.

>>12300442
And yet Deuteronomy talks about stoning a bull to death if it acts like a bull.

>>12300415
>>12300435
>tasty
girls aren't allowed to post on 4chan(nel)

>>12300442
This is true if you're a dumb christfag or an edgy fedora-tipper.

>>12300451
>coffee. black.

>>12300442
I agree

I'm not a christfag but I agree with >>12300442
If you start to treat a farm you in fact make a judgement call about the value and the meaning of life and deserve no better yourself. If you ever see those movies about the slaughterhouse where they treat animals like shit, if that doesn't disgust you there's something wrong with you. Even the most basic farmer wants a humane end for his animals.

>>12300458
Yes I am a straight male and drink my coffee black and not some fruit who gets it filled with sugary garbage from starbucks

>>12300415
I personally like the hint of suffering and nihilism of the chicken. It's really in tune with me.

>>12300415
Maybe. Define happiness.

>>12300415
First of al,l >>12300435
but second of all, no chicken is a happy chicken. All chickens are bitter hatefilled creatures who long only to peck out your eyes. Source: I own chickens.

>>12300500
>wah wah animals suffer waaaah!
They're too stupid to even know where they are.

Quail are always happy

>>12300442
Basically this. This way, I can look those vegans in the eye with a clean conscious and shrug off their hippie bullshit.

>>12300415
Meat is always:
>unhealthy
>unsustainable
>cruel
There is literally no argument against veganism

>>12300415
Kind of, yeah. When a place doesn't take care of chickens, the meat can come in with bruises and other defects due to physical abuse you can't easily see. I used to work in a kitchen and we started buying chicken from another farm altogether because we kept getting damaged goods.

>>12302275
They're just salty evolution fucked them over.

>>12302342
read
>>12300442

>>12300415
Statistically they tend to get fewer diseases, even without antibiotic therapy
I don't know how much it affects taste, but environmental stress is measurable is chickens and affects muscle growth negatively as they tend to starve themselves.
Its probably worth the extra couple dollars for the free-range chicken meat, but im skeptical of the eggs being better

>>12302342
Keep reading partial and broken statistics, telling yourself you're doing the right thing with your feel-good diet.

>>12300415
Any animal that's happy up until slaughter is healthier and tastier to eat, because they won't have as much adrenaline and other hormones that are released when they're scared, which makes the muscles tense up and keeps those secretions locked in, and you don't want to eat that. You want to eat meats that are full of happy hormones.
Also, this. >>12300442

>>12300415
yeah but marginally

>>12300449
And why the fuck would you believe something that some dude wrote 2000 years ago when they knew very little about how living bodies work?

>>12300456
Idiot. Go talk to some real ranchers (not feed lot faggots) and you'll find out they care very much about the quality of their animals lives.

>>12302588
t. deranged bloodlusting carnist

>>12302645
>someone wrote the bible 2000 years ago

>>12302574
The eggs are better because of the larger variety of nutrients they ingest.

>>12302657
Yes, they did. And then it was repeatedly altered over the next 1600 years depending on who was in power in what country. The fact that anyone takes the bible or any ancient religious text word for word is fucking laughable and ridiculous.

>>12302668
>the bible
>2000 years
Oh fucking hell.
>deuteronomy
>2000 years
Kill me. Humanity has gotten really dumb.
>a person, a singular writing
Yep. I'll put up a fight, but someone come strike me down. I'm so done. It's either that or public education of what Christianity is. You are about the dumbest motherfucker I've talked to this week, and being on 4chan that says a lot.

>>12302729
>moar public education on ancient greco-judean fanfiction!!
Just go back to /pol/ or /his/ or wherever it is you „traditionalist“ reverse-fedoras still congregate and pretend to have deep theological discussions.

>>12302307
Based quail poster

>>12302342
Game is not unhealthy
Quite the opposite
In fact, some.nutrients are only found in animal products

>>12302780
If you want to be a retard and insist that Jesus kicked off Christianity by making it all up 2000 years ago, go right ahead. Not joking when it makes you immensely uneducated even if you aren't religious. You literally don't even know that the bible is a patchwork piece of different books from different eras and places despite it being common knowledge, but your fedora is too tight.

No sense in explaining further, you'll reject simple facts.

>>12300415
highly doubtful that there's significant nutritional differences between 'happy' chickens and other chickens.

>>12302729
Fucking this >>12302780
STFU you pedantic piece of shit.

>>12300442
i'm a vegan, and i would be a lot less against the eating of meat if the animals would actually be treated properly. factory farming is inherently cruel and objectifies animals to the point of being viewed as property and objects. Besides that though, if every animal would be free range we'd need 3 planets to feed all the meat eaters.

>>12302815
EVERYONE knows the difference between the old and new testament you fucking faggot. But Christianity didn't even become popular until after 100 CE, and it took hundreds of years longer for it to spread across Europe (thanks Charlemagne). You are just being a stick-up-the-ass pedantic fuckboy. Idiot.

>>12302844
Are you the idiot who said Christ wrote the bible 2000 years ago, or someone defending him? Regardless I'm done with this hot mess of stupidity.

I raise chickens because I have the land for it and it's really fucking easy, you just fill their food and water, lock them up at night and let them out in the morning, clean the coop.

Obviously a chicken butchered less than 24 hours ago is going to be superior to something thats been frozen or refrigerated for who knows how long.

But i've never really eaten one of my chickens and been blown away or noticed anything radically different from those 4-5 dollar whole chickens you can get at walmart that isn't attributed to things beyond the meat like how old it is etc...

As far as diet is concerned, there isn't much difference between what i get at the coop or what they feed them in lots besides possibly filling the feed with hormones and medicine and shit. So im sure farm raised chickens are healthier to eat, but when theres no real difference in taste but cost 2-4x more no consumer is going to bother.

>>12302829
I was with you until the objectifying animals part lol. They are property and objects. Are you seriously saying that they aren't objects and they aren't owned by people? What?

>>12302898
would you still think that if you would be owned and treated terribly by some other animal? animals deserve respect

>>12302920
>Would an apple be a mango if it was a banana?
Prove in two seconds that animals can feel human emotion.

>>12302342
>There is literally no argument against veganism
its gay as fuck

>>12302942
what does it matter if they feel 'human emotion'?
Are you in support of killing humans that miss some kind of emotion, like psychopaths?
Animals feel pain, suffering, and grief, and that's what factory farming achieves. So inherently, it's cruel.

>>12302888
good post
good numbers
good life

>>12302963
>WHAT DWOES IT MWATTER IF THEY EHEFEUGHLBLAH
soy faggot say what?

>>12302275
You'd be pissed too if you knew you could have been a T-rex.

>>12302885
No one said Christ wrote the bible, retard. Go back and read all the posts again. NO ONE said that, you're just fucking deluded.

>>12302992
Not him, and not some animal rights activist or some gay shit but if you don't think animals feel at LEAST fear, which is an emotion humans have, then you are straight trolling.

>>12300442
This because morals/ethics/empathy/etc but also functionally because if your food eats better you eat better.

I don't know about you, but I find a lot of the chickens I've raised to be a lot more sexier than the ones I've seen in plants like in Tysons.

>>12302307
I want to pet a quail now

>>12302992
pol faggot detected

>>12302342
Meat is not unhealthy, that's been scientifically debunked over and over because of you dumbass vegans.
It's only unsustainable as long as factory farms continue and as long as people think they have to eat meat at every single meal.
Eating meat is not "cruel". There are horrible, vile humans out there that are cruel to animals (and that includes PETA, the devils), but conscientious slaughter of livestock isn't cruel, it's fast, on purpose, so the animals don't have to feel extended pain.
You are one of the arguments against veganism.

>>12302729
Why don't you loony tunes christfags link up with some radical muslim group since you're both equally deranged abrahamic crazies?

>>12300449
I don't know who this Deuteronomy is but he sounds like a fucking tool.

>>12302992
Not the vegan guy, but it's pretty silly to think animals don't feel pain. It's an evolutionary advantage to feel pain. They may not understand it on a human level, but it's cruel to inflict pain on an animal knowing they will suffer.

>>12300415
Overcrowding of any animal is going to stress it out. It may sound like bro-science, but this usually results in more adipose tissue compared to intramuscular fat. The former is what causes rancidity and needs to be trimmed, the latter is what gives most meat flavor. If a chicken is stressed out and also in close proximity to others, it will also have a weaker immune system and produce an inferior meat as a result of being sick and stressed all the time. Chickens don't require much to be "happy", but not all chickens are going to be ideal for slaughter even if they're happy anyway based on genetics or gender.

tl;dr Factory farming doesn't produce the best quality meat. There are many reasons for this, including knowing priority of quantity>quality. The evidence is in the product, so why even ask?

>>12300442
>we have a moral obligation to take care of the animals
>whom we raise and farm for food

>>12304563
Animals living in the wild have it worse, tbhfam. Food can be scarce, they're not sheltered from the elements, etc. If their caretakers are attentive and caring, domesticated animals have wonderful lives. Not to mention that people humanely killing animals for food is worlds less horrific than the deaths predators administer.

>>12304589
If your point is that you feel compassion for your fellow living beings so much as to give them care, why kill them?

>>12300442
Please don't apply human concepts like happiness and quality of life to non human entities.

>>12304630
>stop being empathetic, I don't like it

>>12304633
yeah it's gay af

>>12304656
Homophobia much?

>>12304705
shut up nerd

>>12304713
no u

>>12304719

>>12302657
>>12302729
>LE DEUS VULT
fuck off

>>12302560
>no argument against sustainability
>no argument against immorality of killing for enjoyment (taste buds)
>>12302588
Not an argument
>>12302814
>game is not unhealthy
It is not sustainable, there is no evidence to suggest it is "healthy" or "unhealthy. The majority of humanity does not consume game meat, but rather farm raised livestock.
>some nutrients are only found in animal products
Supplementation. We supplement livestock with the same nutrients they are lacking (I assume you are specifically talking about B12).
>>12302950
>it's gay not to be a sociopath
Based retard
>>12303047
Meat is absolutely unhealthy, directly linked to increased cases of heart disease, atherosclerosis, colo-rectal cancer, obesity and diabetes.
>Eating meat is not "cruel"
Killing something necessarily for pleasure is cruel; it is in fact the definition of cruelty. Animal products are no longer necessary for human survival, and therefore strictly used for enjoyment.
>so the animals don't have to feel extended pain.
These animals would not exist if they were not bred for needless consumption.

Lmao you pathetic racists

>>12300415
No just a ploy to charge you more to somehow justify because the animal had a better life that they don’t regulate so no proof then die some dumbass meat eater logic

>>12302844
Not everyone knows (anything about its chapters at all even)

>>12304741
But we would all raise our own meat animals with care and respect if we could. Then snap their neck and eat them. It's not a argument that can be won, meat in excess causes health problems. ( Almost anything in large volume without a varied diet can cause issue) in studies corolating cancers and meat eating carcinogens in overcooking, overprosessed foods, and the cooking surfaces involved contain more threats than the meat alone.

Yes. CAFO meat is goblino food, pastured is Aryan sustenance.

>>12304741
Tbf, back in the day when humans were busting their ass with back breaking labor sun up to sun down meat probably wasn't unhealthy for us. The problem is nowadays most of us in developed countries sit on our fatass all day and carnism brutalizes our bodies and causes all those issues you named.

>>12305957
>pasture
>aryan
Aryans for literally all of post Neolithic history are known for farmlands and the domestication of wheat and cereals.

>>12302963
>Animals feel pain, suffering, and grief, and that's what factory farming achieves

Lol. No they don't. This alone proves how deranged the vegan cult is. Case closed.

>>12303419
It's a different kind of pain for animals. If a human cuts off a finger they'd be curled up in immense pain until treated. Pigs for example, you can cut their tail off and within 10 minutes they're back to running around, eating etc. Doing their thing. I grew up on a farm, a family farm that is technically considered a factory farm because we're efficient af.

Don't believe the factory farming cruelty bullshit, they're well taken care of.

>>12300415
yeah but you also have to kill them quickly by suprise

>>12305948
>But we would all raise our own meat animals with care and respect if we could
It would undoubtedly be better if individuals raised and slaughtered the animals themselves, but this of course is not possible for the majority of individuals, especially as the earth's population grows. This still ignores the ethical argument.
>overcooking, overprosessed foods
This is the majority of the standard american diet. Cooking surfaces can contribute to the aforementioned problems, but the majority of problems come directly from the consumption of animal products. This is easy to research for yourself.
>>12305968
Back in the day we ate much more starch, and many more vegetables. Meat was a rare treat. Exercise is important; but we cannot ignore how awful our diet has become due to overabundance and efficient agricultural practices. This ignores the ethical argument. (Unnecessary suffering for the purpose of taste buds.) This also ignores the sustainability argument.
>>12307166
We can ignore human emotions like grief, and say without a shred of doubt that animals feel pain, if only as a reaction to the damage of cells. Animals are very intelligent creatures. Consuming animals unnecessarily is cruel. This does not have to mean animals are on the same level as humans in terms of value; it only means killing something for pleasure is wrong.

Maybe but getting rid of chicken shit is fucking annoying.

>>12300415
I don't know if chickens can be happy, they are simple creatures. Maybe, I hope so.
If by that you mean free range, grain fed chicken then yes the taste does change. And they get to actually use their muscles and run around so of course they are healthier.
They face other risks though, contaminations by other passing aviaries and species, foxes etc.

>>12300415
Stress leads to a compromised immune system, so mass produced livestock have to be pumped with medicine. So, yes

>>12304741
None of your answers are anything but opinions. There's no actual facts at all. You're one of those dumb fucking cunts that wants to just a take a pill instead of eating a meal, and squirts out opinions made by people with no knowledge of agriculture, biology, or nutrition.

>>12303047
My body is not satiated until I eat meat. On a meatless day I found that I would usually end up eating 3500 calories of vegetables and grains and some fruits, constantly snacking every few hours. Otherwise, I felt completely satisfied eating 1700 calories a day on a high meat/fat diet, eating 2 medium sized meals and a couple of snacks

>>12307224
>Animals are very intelligent creatures
Compared to what, animals? Other creatures? Vegans?

>>12307431
I can't even take your word for that. I can barely manage to stuff 1,800 kcals of vegetable and cereal matter down my throat at the end of the day because it's literally a few pounds of food. Do you shit multiple times per day? Do you just have a really unhealthy metabolism? Do you eat junk food? We need the whole story.

>>12300415
i'm vegan but i fucking hate chickens because they literally don't give a shit about people or show any compassion whatsoever like other animals do (ex. dogs, cats, pigs, cows)

they're like lizards, fuck lizards also

>>12307428
I could care less about agriculture, biology, or nutrition. If I suffer because I refuse to harm animals then so be it, I literally could not give a shit. You on the other hand? You're a humanist and a materialist. You're so far up your own ass with your airs of erudition and superiority.

>>12300442
based and christpilled

>>12300435
it's because health is objectively holistic and if you're scared and stressed out all the time it's going to destroy your body

>>12307752
Christ was a vegan.

>>12307710
If you don't care about agriculture, biology, or nutrition, then your opinions on this subject are completely worthless and should be completely ignored. So, you know, fuck off cunt. Go be a dumbass somewhere else.

>>12307802
LOL, no. If Jesus Christ of Nazareth actually existed (I'm not saying he didn't, just that we don't really know all the facts), he would have eaten the normal diet of eastern Mediterranean foods, which included meat and fish, plus grain, vegetables, and fruit.

>>12307816
and honey, and dairy

>>12307816
>>12307824
Cite one part of the New Testament where Jesus eats meat, fish, or other crap from animals.

>>12307805
Um, no? I literally have not only every right to tell you that animals deserve to be treated with compassion but I have a moral imperative to do so. You aren't treating animals with compassion when you exploit them, murder them, and initiate violence towards them. There is no "vegan opinion" on nutrition, or shitty observational science funded by Jews, or the economy, or whatever.

>>12302342
keep taking that b12 because you can't actually get the nutrients you need from your lab-grown textured vegetable protein

unhappy chickens build better breast meat because they're sedentary. Big breasts, small legs. I've been buying them for 2 bucks a pound all week. Torture birds.

>>12307428
>addresses none of the arguments
You are being willfully ignorant, making no counter-argument whatsoever, and claiming the backing of science when it is wholly against your lifestyle.
>>12307431
Eat more plant-based fats and proteins to feel satiated. I highly doubt you ate 3500 kcal worth of vegetables and grains, unless the majority of your calories were coming from the latter. If that's the case, you're mostly eating carbs which is a recipe for disaster if you don't feel full.
>>12307540
Compared to the characterization made by carnists: IE dumb, and unfeeling beings who do not deserve life.
>>12309068
>thinly veiled appeal to nature fallacy
I hope you say the same to the overwhelming majority of Americans who are deficient in B12. I hope you say the same to the farmers who supplement their cows with B12 as well. You are the definition of a sociopath; you support cruelty merely for the sake of your taste buds. Disgusting.

>>12307833
>"Then came the first day of Unleavened Bread on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed. And Jesus sent Peter and John, saying, "Go and prepare the Passover for us, so that we may eat it."" (Luke 22:7-8)

>"So Jesus said to them, "Children, you do not have any fish, do you?" They answered Him, "No." And He said to them, "Cast the net on the right-hand side of the boat and you will find a catch." So they cast, and then they were not able to haul it in because of the great number of fish. ... So when they got out on the land, they saw a charcoal fire already laid and fish placed on it, and bread. Jesus said to them, "Bring some of the fish which you have now caught." Simon Peter went up and drew the net to land, full of large fish, a hundred and fifty-three; and although there were so many, the net was not torn. Jesus said to them, "Come and have breakfast." None of the disciples ventured to question Him, "Who are You?" knowing that it was the Lord. Jesus came and took the bread and gaveit to them, and the fish likewise." (John 21:5-6,9-14)
And in the firsf goddamn book of the old testament.
>"Every moving thing that is alive shall be food for you; I give all to you, as I gave the green plant." (Genesis 9:3)
I can't believe I just wasted time on some earplugging vegetarian. Christians can eat meat. That's what their God created them for. Fag.

>>12300449
(The bull was actually a goyim)

>>12309219
>Compared to the characterization made by carnists: IE dumb, and unfeeling beings who do not deserve life.
Seems a bit like:
>I’m not a retard, I’m just copying
Fact remains you think animals are a type of intelligent creature. You’re an idiot with an idiot ideology but hey, don’t let that stand inthe way of your pathetic virtue signalling. Thanks for lowering the price of mmmmmmeat for me.

we originally had 3 chickens for eggs. 2 died after their 3 year expected lifespan but Beryl lasted about 6 years, laying non-stop. She was spoiled rotten - top quality chicken feed supplemented by all kinds of household scraps. She particularly loved leftover egg-fried rice and broken up pringles.

Beryl was also house trained and was allowed to walk through the house as well as roam the few fields around our house.

Best fucking eggs we have ever had, and she is the only animal we have owned that has a headstone. RIP Bezza.

>>12307224
*The majority of problems come directly from the consumption of animal products. This is easy to research for yourself.---
Citation needed

See most studies that relate meat to cancer indicate the way the meat is cooked, processed, or packaged. Not the meat itself. Plastic residues, fillers, carcenogens from overcooking...

Most studies that indicate health issues such as heart desease are in high meat diets. If your washing your bacon egg sausage sandwich down with a fillet minion and a aujus smoothie then expect some heart desease

>>12300508
tryhard, try being more subtle next time

>>12300415
>>12300435
>>12300442
Actual farmer here.

I raise chickens. I have several breeds of chicken. Some are tastier than others and some are tougher than others. The main breed you eat from stores and restaurants is "Cornish X Rock" aka "Jumbo Cornish X Rock, or Cornish Cross" which is a crossbreed between Cornish and Rock breeds. The resulting broiler chicken is monstrous, can grow ultra fast, and actually is pretty damn tasty and tender. It is tender because it grows fast (8-9 weeks to butchering age), unlike tougher breeds that take 2-4 times longer to reach butchering age. The Cornish Cross grows so fast and gets so massive that they often can't grow their bones fast enough and end up breaking their legs under their own weight. They typically sit around with their heads in the food trough, unless you restrict the food. They also grow so fast that they often times have heart attacks. Seeing a chicken die from a heart attack is pretty surreal. The heart attacks usually only happen if they are stressed and are a week or more past their butcher date. While you can raise these chickens in a normal fashion where they are pastured and have restricted food, most people do not.

Flavor is different between the breeds, but only slightly. Life style affects flavor. Longevity affects toughness. Breed affects toughness. Food type has the most affects on flavor among all breeds. Fear also affects flavor. Fight or flight situations release stress hormones (adrenaline & noradrenaline) into the blood stream. These, plus other chemical changes during such a stressful situation upon death, can affect flavor, but it is more subtle. With all of these flavor changes, all of them are subtle and can be masked with typical recipe seasonings and usually not noticed up front by the average person. The most noticeable flavor change happens after death when the meat is allowed to age. That is a step usually not done today.

As far as being "tastier" that is a matter of opinion.

"happy" chickens have darker leg and thigh meat. If you want more tasty birds, treat them like you're a psychopath and bunch them together. More leg work==darker dark meat.

>>12310218
Here's a link on aging birds, for those interested,

https://honest-food.net/on-hanging-pheasants-2/

>>12300435
...On the matter of fruit & vegetables and their flavors. The flavor of fruit and vegetables differes the most across cultivars, off the plant age, and ripeness. Using tomatoes, as the metric here since you brought them up, the largest flavor change is between their cultivars. A slicing tomato cultivar like a Cherokee Purple will taste radically different when compared to a slicing tomato like a Porkchop. Among the same cultivar you can have radically different flavors and water levels. This occurs from how they are grown. The biggest flavor change due to cultivation method & not from ripeness will occur the last week before picking the tomato. Tomato plants that have their water restricted during that time will have their fruit undergo a chemcial change. This change enriches the flavor of the tomato. Most commercial growers do not use this method.

The juiciness of the tomato doesn't change much from the above mentioned water restriction. Juiciness differs between cultivars and from ripeness. Normally, the cultivars available to you in stores and restaurants are notthe same one available to the general home gardener. You'd need to save seeds from the store cultivars and even then they may be hybrids that won't remain true when you grow them.

Thus, a store/restaurant bought tomato may be flavorless due to its cultivar type, lack of water restiction, and because it wasn't picked while fully ripe. Wateriness of that tomato can be caused by how it is stored in that time. A homegrown tomato will be a fresh as you can pick it off the vine. This is also a huge factor. Take bananas for instance. A fresh banana and old banana will have different flavors. More starches will have turned into sugars and it will be sweeter, stronger in banana-flavor, and softer. All vegetables & fruit undergo similar changes after being picked.

>>12310220
>More leg work==darker dark meat.

Yes, active life style vs sedate life style also plays a role in flavor and toughness of the meat. It is a matter of personal preferences as to which is better. It also plays a role in what recipes you use them.

>>12310228

I bought a few birds that had really light thighs and legs and it got me to pondering it. Then I felt bad.

>>12310238
>Then I felt bad.

Don't. Animals are not humans, those animals are not your pets, and you were not mistreating them. Empathy for animals should only go so far as to prevent mistreatment; both physically and psychologically.

What breed(s) were the birds you bought?

>>12302307
That's because they're as dumb as fuck

>>12310277
Don't be rude to the quail.

>>12310218
>>12310221
Thanks Farmer-anon, that was very interesting.

Reminder that ALL picky eaters, including vegans need to get off /ck/

>>12300449
>And yet Deuteronomy talks

That darn Deuteronomy is always saying shit like this,

>>12300708

Agree. Like in a strip joint, if the girl you payed for a lap dance isn't crying then what's the point?

>>12300415
It’s the exact opposite. The most toothsome bird I ever enjoyed was clinically depressed and full of pills.

>>12302657
>>12302668
>>12302729
More like 1700 or so years ago. Well, whenever Constantine combined everything together in order to unite the kingdom. The council actually took many gods, goddesses, both good and evil and formed them into just a few characters in the bible. Like God, Jesus, Lucifer, and the Holy Ghost were something like 2 dozen gods/goddesses, demons, and folk heroes. You can see many of the previous versions and stuff in the Dead Sea Scrolls, which are like Holy Bible: Rough Drafts and Footnotes while the King Jame's Version is like Holy Bible: Electric Boogaloo 32

>>12309306
Funny how Jesus never actually eats meat in these verses.

>>12311210
You think it’s a true story?

>>12311210

>>12310277
go fuck yourself

>>12311223
Not particularly, I don't really care, but I don't remember Jesus ever eating meat, like ever.

>>12309476
>doesn't understand basic english
>doesn't understand how supply and demand works
Typical retard carnist.

>>12310097
https://www.bmj.com/content/357/bmj.j1957
"Results: An increased risk of all cause mortality (hazard ratio for highest versus lowest fifth 1.26, 95% confidence interval 1.23 to 1.29) and death due to nine different causes associated with red meat intake was observed. Both processed and unprocessed red meat intakes were associated with all cause and cause specific mortality."
>See most studies that relate meat to cancer
Wasn't talking about cancer, was talking about the aforementioned diseases (atherosclerosis, diabetes, and heart disease.) The above study shows a direct link between both unprocessed and processed red meat and disease.
>muh chicken
Chicken is one of the better option if you must eat meat. It still raises your cholesterol (yes this is negative) and is still cruel, but it is more sustainable than beef. That said, chicken is still extremely damaging to the environment.

>>12300415
>not taking the chink pill and torturing animals before killing them to get that sweet fix of adrenochrome

>>12311456
AARP members aged 50-71 at baseline.*

Retirement age people mostly in this one study. Not a representative group of a average healthy population, poor study peramiters to to make blanket statements with. When your older and less active maybe you should cut back on red meat is all I get from this.

>>12310258
get out of this thread you fucking third worlder scum

>>12311210
This is why most vegans are female: Literally retarded children in adult bodies.

Letting you potatoes vote was a HUGE mistake. No wonder Corinthians told you holebetweenlegsairwasters to STFU in the church. If it wasnt for the fact that the only thing you can do is make a baby then their is NO reason to keep you around.

>>12313700
Ew.

>>12300442
>moral obligation
>to livestock

whats this soy filled faggotry?

>>12302920
>owned and treated terribly by some other animal
don't have a job?

>>12313700
>their

>>12300449
hurdur bible

This is an adult board you diaper shitting cretin,

>>12314198
Hey now. In places of poor education people are taught to read if only to read their religious texts. Religion has a functional place in society.

>>12314198
I'm not a Christian, but I wrote that post replying to someone using Christian beliefs, and Christ-Chan, as an argument.
Do you have a hard time following conversations in general, retard?