/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>12289476
Do you like that?
Do you want something like it or something different?

>>12289508
I do like it, i'm willing to try different things too hopefully not too pricey and able to find at my grocery store. The wine selection is pretty big

I enjoy dry reds

>>12289476
Try a Becker cabernet sauvingon, their russian valley if you can find it. I also like their tempranillo. Both are dry but full bodied red's.

>>12289476
I turn 21 in June. What wine should I drink first?

>>12289512
Chateau St Michelle is pretty sweet for riesling, which is about as light-bodied as white wine gets. If you like the sweetness, you should look for some California pinot grigio next to move a little bit down the line. If you're new to wine, it helps to kind of taste things in order so that you can observe the gradation of grape varietals/what they produce as flavor in wine. You might also try Italian white wine blends, which tend to be light and balanced. Blends will probably be sprinkled through the aisles. I don't know what kind of international selection you'll have access to - my local Kroger only sells about 40% international options, which is sad.

Also, you might try a sauvignon blanc from Marlborough (NZ). They can seem sweeter (higher acid) but medium-bodied, and whether or not you like it can be a good marker for what types of wines you actually do like. Sauvs from this area can be sour and are very "loud." But I personally like a wine like that.

>>12289565
Communion wine.

>>12289583
what if i've never had sex?

>>12289585
You’d be considered the pure, innocent child you are.

>>12289573
Thanks for the advice, i'll try to find some different ones. Do you have a pretty easy to find go-to bottle?

>>12289476
>>12289573
(con't) A tip for selecting wine in a store aisle -
If you want to git gud at wine, learn just a little bit about terroir and what makes wine turn out how it does. Learn about wine's characteristics by tasting new things constantly and comparing wines.

For example, if you know you like very fruity, sweet, easy wines, you should know that you are generally looking for warmer climates and younger vintages. You should know a handful of grape varietals that fit this archetype so that you can deduce the qualities of unknown varietals that are stocked nearby.

From there any method of guesswork is viable. You'll probably have a selection of a half dozen to a dozen brands of sauvignon blanc from Marlborough, for instance. Remember that vinification is an art and the bottle art is a small representation of the winemaker's style. I find that you can very nearly reliably buy bottles whose labels you like on a personal level. You can only gain things like brand loyalty (or brand avoidance) through trial (and error).
That said, if you're looking for a direct rec, I offer picrel - a few "grocery store" wines in the $10-15 range that are quite drinkable and a bonus delicious rose that you can cop at most wine stores for $10.

>>12289476
I like to drink cooking wine and then start fights with the only people who still care about me

It's really too bad that silvaner is nearly non existant in the states. It has a pleasant, refreshing taste almost like no other white wines. What are some styles that taste like silvaner?

>>12289682
These days it's easily found in NYC but I've never seen that bottle before. It got a bit popular when the "obscure" central european grape fad hit hard about 5 years ago but it never caught on as successfully as blaufrankisch or the other poor hipster darlings.

I am not a fan at all but whatever floats your boat.

>>12289476

Try an Alsace gewürztraminer, absolutely delicious and very similar

>>12290430
>>12289682
Oh also forgot to mention: enjoy your ban, that applies to all of you filthy kuffars. Wine is haram.

>>12289573
>riesling
>about as light-bodied as white wine gets

>>12289476
I think my favorite grape is Pinot Noir. Very dark and fullbodied. A bit pricey as well.
Also, Australia makes some surprisingly good reds, with really nice, pebbery flavors to them.

>>12290446
>riesling not being about as light-bodied as white wine gets
You don't know what you're talking about if you don't know this to be true. What do you really think you have to offer to this conversation? Do you work in wine or actively study it? No? Thought not.

>>12291314
>pinot noir
>dark and full bodied
Also no. Pinot noir is notoriously light-bodied red wine. It can be dry or less fruity depending on terrior, but it's always light.

>>12289573
>>12289638
Sounds like wine industry anon is back.

>>12291314
>Also, Australia makes some surprisingly good reds
The wine industry is huge here in Australia, and many parts of the country have ideal wine grape growing climates. It shouldn't be a surprise, wine is one of our biggest exports now. No idea if our wines are expensive once exported though.

>>12291408
There's a few of us around /ck/ and I want to specify that I am NOT the snob somm who spent five hours calling names and then accidentally gave away his own twitter account.

>>12291395
>Do you work in wine or actively study it? No? Thought not.
Well, my family is in the wine business and my WSET4 practical final is in September. Not that any of that matters at all considering only a colossal clueless fedora that only ever drunk bottom-shelf dry QbAs or Californian piss would ever utter something as moronic as Riesling being light-bodied. I guess oaked Chardonnay and white Grenache are „medium“ in your mutt-tastic classification? Maybe check with your local Walmart sommelier just to be sure.

>>12291459
>being this wrong
>being this edgy while being this wrong
You literally can't support your position with any information. There is none.

>>12291442
holy shit... imagine being such a sad sack piece of shit in life that you have to make that picture and pretend that it wasn't you who made it, but some other fag that could possibly care about your autism in the slightest.

>>12291314
Yikes

>>12291516
>n-no y-you‘re w-wrong...
Drink some proper Alsatian Riesling or a Pfälzer TBA, before you open your clap trap to recite some bullshit you‘ve seen on a website for middle aged housewives again.

>>12291531
I didn't pretend I didn't make it. I did make it.
I thought that guy was a tool and I enjoy posting this image so that his legacy of being a tool lives on.
>imagine being such a sad sack piece of shit in life that you have to pretend you're not the snob somm in the pic, but that some other fag could possibly care about protecting your fragile autism in the slightest

>>12291550
Way to read for context. OP is shopping at a grocery store for wine, he's new, and he wants to try new things similar to what he's just had (presumably also in the same price range).
Recc'ing things he can't find or can't/won't afford isn't going to help him at all.

Furthermore, drinking Alsatian whites isn't going to dissuade me that riesling is one of the most light-bodied white wines. It's 100% the lightest bodied wine you will find in an American grocery store, which is the point of this thread.

>>12291550
TBA is not an expression of genetic characteristics anon

The “riesling is full bodied” guy is just confused by gas station riesling from North America where the stuff turns into gloppy corn syrup trash due to overuse of fertilizer, tropical weather, and no drainage

>>12291585
You can't read. No one is saying riesling is full-bodied except the retard you're replying to.

>>12291579
>It's 100% the lightest bodied wine you will find in an American grocery store
That is the characteristic of American stores then, not of a varietal, dumb nigger.

>>12291634
But it is definitively a characteristic of the varietal. Find me one single-varietal medium-bodied riesling and I can show you a winemaker who fucked up his grapes.

>>12291585
>TBA Rieslings are light-bodied
Kek, another one. I take it Sauternes is also light-bodied according to you?

>>12291642
>if it‘s not light-bodied it‘s „wrong Riesling“
This is your brain on Mondavi‘s legacy.

>>12291661
Long time no see, Michael, how's your shitty job treating you? Did you get any backlash from your boss? There were screenshots of your posts being forwarded to the company you worked for at the time of the original thread. Did you get fired?

>>12291677
>when your wine expertise is so vast that the only arguments you have are ad hominems against some imaginary strawmen personae

>>12289476
The cheap one at the discounter works for me. It gets me plastered and thats all I want

>>12289476
Ayyy they're right down the road from me.

>>12291674
You'll not get a medium-bodied or better single-varietal riesling without chaptalizing.
It's just not a pure expression of the varietal, something that oldworldfags who discount all new world wine don't usually understand. Wine is equal parts varietal and terroir.
But until you embrace both old and new world wines, you're still only getting half the picture. Varietals have personalities as terroir have personalities. You can match, or you can contrast, but the best wines come from winemakers who match their style and their land to the right varietal.

Hence why you instantly think of Alsace when you think of riesling. Its cool/dry climate and shelter from maritime wind produces light, clean, crisp wines without overbearing fruit. The land, the Alsatian style sandwiched between two countries, and the riesling varietal work well together to produce exceptional wines.

>>12289602
Not that poster, but Matua is a good and affordable, Marlborough Sauvignon Blanc. I'm able to find it pretty easily.

>winelets arguing about Riesling being light-bodied or not
>not realizing Riesling has 2 very different variations (dry and fruit-forward) and is the variety most evocative of terroir, differing even more based on region

Try a German Riesling and compare it to a medium/full bodied Niagra VQA with rich minerality. You'll quickly notice they aren't the same. Wtf are you even arguing for?

>>12291726
>cool wine aunt redditips
Half the modern viticulture‘s greats is historically based on opportunistic vintners sticking shit in terrible soil, you massive retard.
>light, clean, crisp wines without overbearing fruit
Alsace is precisely known for fruitier Rieslings with more body as opposed to more mineral German ans Australian ones. Fuck me, are you an actual Cosmopolitan columnist or something?

Wine is an ancient meme, like most of French culture

>>12291774
It's not. Everything you just said is directly opposite of what you'll find in the recommended reading from CMS.
Alsace isn't known for fruity rieslings. You're mistaking high acidity and sweet aroma for fruit-forwardness. Alsatian rieslings are known to be dry, that's the first thing you'll hear on the region. I have an Alsatian riesling with .2g res sugar on my rotating board right now. It's not fruity in the least.

Sweet rieslings come from America or coastal France, but Alsace takes its winemaking cues from German (varietal-based) rather than French (terroir-based) traditions.

Alsatian white blends can be fruitier but that comes from the Gris.

>Half the modern viticulture‘s greats is historically based on opportunistic vintners sticking shit in terrible soil
Historically, sure, but that was before the depth of varietal and terroir were widespread knowledge. You have to create knowledge somehow. If you put a red varietal in some shitty chalky soil and you get a shitty chalky red, you'll not feel much success. But chance the right white varietal on that same shitty soil and you can get a great food wine.

>>12291661
>implying I said anything along those lines
Bit early to be this drunk, no? Unless you’re Australian in which case, appeal your ban instead of evading

>>12291883
>Sweet rieslings come from America or coastal France
There‘s no point in even replying anymore. Your entire understanding of Riesling clearly comes from some haphazardly skimmed brochures. The majority of it is produced in Germany and absolute majority of Riesling in Germany is sweet. Indeed the whole history of the varietal and its widespread celebration in 18-19th centuries takes root in the German tradition of masking imperfections of Lieblichwein with sugar, which gradually evolved into producing ultra-acidic concoctions that balanced out into the finest sweets out there. Dry Rieslings are a historical novelty in Germany and up until a couple decades ago even most Spätlese Rieslings came with a fuckton of residual sweetness. And today still Germany produces by far the most praised sweet Auslesen of every degree. Please, do travel some around the world and actually learn something about wine instead of regurgitating flyover-tier gobbledygook.

>>12289476
>wine recs
Wine is pretty broad man, but I'll give you a few. If you're looking for another Riesling, but you want to try something different, look for a dry Riesling from Alsace. Stylistically super distinct- comparatively rich and dry, with smoky/stony notes under the fruit. Zind Humbrecht makes some of the absolute best, but it's pretty expensive. If you want a different white wine to try, look for a marsanne and/or roussanne (they're often blended together)- the classic Northern Rhone varietals. They produce quite rich, highly aromatic whites but without the buttery/lactic richness you get from oaked chardonnay- more flavors like quince and beeswax.

Always highly recommend Spanish wines- even from the famous region of Rioja, they're often a stellar value, especially the whites, which are hugely undervalued. The reds from the nearby Navarra region are pretty wicked too, often a blend of Tempranillo with more French varieties like Cab Sauv and Merlot. Another great place to look for value is the Minervois, a region of the Languedoc- some fantastic wines come from that region, generally southern Rhone varietals (grenache, syrah, mourvedre) but often in single varietal or nearly single varietal bottlings. Borie de Maurel makes some particularly nice ones, especially 'Sylla' (100% syrah) and 'Maxime' (100% mourvedre). If you're looking to try something really different, my rec would be to look for some whites from Jura, especially if they're made from an indigenous grape called Savagnin. Often these wines are aged 'sous voile', which means the barrels develop air space and the wine develops a 'skin' of yeast on the surface. If you want it a bit less odd, try a Cotes du Jura, but if you want the real epitome of the region look for a bottle of vin jaune, which come in weird short 'clavelin' bottles. Vin Jaune can age for a tremendous amount of time- like 60-80 years for good producers- and develops super unique flavors of walnut, cooked apple, and ginger.

>>12292522
Currently drinking this guy- 30 year old Cab Franc from the Loire. Incredible stuff, the age hasn't dimmed the tannins or acid but it's developed a really cool black tea/tobacco type of flavor that I'm really enjoying.

Anybody got anything they're holding on to for an occasion? I've got a bottle of Hermitage- probably my favorite type of wine in the world- that I'm dying to open but I need to get some people together to share it first. Bottle is Delas Freres 'Les Bessards' 2006.

>>12291756
It always blows my mind how many people don't realize that wines made from a certain grape can vary stylistically. Terroir and winemaking practices can completely change a wine. It's like people who say they hate syrah because they've had a jam-bomb Aussie shiraz.

>>12291314
>pinot noir
>dark and fullbodied
What? Pinot Noir is one of the lightest red wines there is. Can be dark in warm climates but it's a decidedly light wine for a red.

>>12292530
>not even an exceptional vintage
>€100 bottle
>occasion
You‘re not allowed to post ITT unless you have at least a case of Romanée-Conti stowed away, poorfag.

>>12292530
I don't have a wine cellar, so, no. Also there isn't going to be an occasion. My best years are behind me.

>>12289476
I like wine can tell the difference between cheap and quality. Do any good tier wines come in small bottles? The ones that are slightly smaller than a beer bottle? I hate having to drop $20-$30 on once bottle that I have to drink timely verses getting a 6 mixed pack of good craft beer.

>>12294219
Yes but they are a specialty item and in practice cost almost as much as a full bottle. They're produced for high end hotels and stuff like that, where there's gone to be a weirdo loner dining who has money to burn and wants wine by the bottle.

>>12293240
2006 wasn't an insane vintage but it was really good for many Northern Rhone producers (including Delas), and moreover, $225 (what it runs in Canuckistan) is tons for 99% of people to spend. Also only 22, it's not like I have a ton of bottles I personally have been holding on to for years.

Having said that I have my eye on a bottle of Chapoutier L'Ermite 2015- I'd need to hold on to that for like 20 years at least though which would be difficult.

>>12293827
You don't need a cellar, just somewhere dark and cool. I used to keep my few bottles of stored wine in a trunk in a closet. As for your best years being behind you, that never needs to be true, you just need to work towards newer and better things.

>>12294219
Wine is made for sharing with people imo. Nothing better than a good bottle of wine, some good food, and friends. You can even arrange to alternate/rotate buying bottles, so you only do so once every two (or more) times- great for trying new things. Smaller bottles aren't super common, unfortunately. Might be worth looking into some fortified or oxidized style wines, which last longer once opened.

I just moved out of my old place and the bulk of my wines are at my old place.

I almost snagged a job as a cellar trader for a private storage provider, but they decided to hold off because they were moving locations next year.

>>12294219
>Do any good tier wines come in small bottles
they do, but you typically pay more per mL
there's always dessert wines like TBAs and LBV ports that come most often in 375/500 mL bottles, but typically anything smaller is gonna be bad.

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>>12294282
Thank you for the input. I dont really have friends to share wine with so I'll stick to beer for the most part. I'll look into oxidized wine when I can.