/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>12248687
>why do girls seem to be the most susceptible to veganism?
It's associated with effeminacy

>>12248687
>>12248698
I eat vegan because lentils and vegetables are cheaper than meat. I can get everything I need except B12, which I take as a supplement. I do not care about naturalism, mainly because that's retarded. It's still cheaper, and meat only has B12 because it is supplemented. Unless it is 100% grass fed or free range.

I really don't think much about what other people do, nor do I start threads asking what other people's end goals are. Sounds like something a whiny woman would do.

It's been proven that a plant based diet is superior for health. That and it's better for the environment.

The end game is moving away from the dysfunctional aspects of society that are currently in place.

>>12248687
I live in Berkeley and deal with faggot vegans all the time. 99.99% of them do it because they think it makes them look cool/quirky to others and because they want to be able to act like they have some sort of moral high ground over others that aren’t vegan. .01% of them do it because they actually give a shit about animals and don’t like the thought of eating them which is fine, if you ever find a vegan that doesn’t state they are a vegan all the time and that doesn’t badger others that eat meat they are most likely part of that .01%. As for why women are more susceptible to going vegan I think it’s because women care more about being trendy and quirky and being vegan is trendy at the moment. The fad will pass as did the fad of adopting roody poo babies from Africa.

1. It depends on the person, there are a variety of reasons for an all or partly vegan diet. Because the invisible spirits said so in the scriptures, because it's fun, because it's cool, because they are afraid of hurting animals, because they are diehard environmentalists. Some people just observe it temporarily during some seasons or a certain day per week. Trying to generalize this is going to make you confused.

2. Some of those, and other reasons too.

3. Probably because girls are under social pressure to seem dainty and sensitive and eat things like matcha-flavor mille-feuilles with kombucha . Men might experience a counter pressure to eat RRAWWRRR MAN THINGS like STEAK and CRAFT BEER.

I sometimes go to restaurants that advertise themselves as vegan, and I'll occasionally forget that carnists get triggered by the V-word and then I have to explain to them that, no, I'm not "trying to be healthy" nor did I have some radical change of personal ethics, I just like the way the food tastes. This confuses them for some reason. Maybe you can explain that one to me.

You might call me vegan but I prefer no label at all or plant-based. I occasionally consume animal products. I don't care for animals and I never liked that many meat products.

I have a chronic gut problem and meat provides 0 benefits to helping/curing it so it is just extra work the digestive system has to do. It's useless for me to consume. Gut health is my life now.

>>12248687
I eat mostly plant based, about 80% of the time, and the rest of the time I just eat whatever. I have 3 reasons, in order: because of animal suffering, wanting to lose weight, and because my uric acid levels were way higher than they should have been on my last blood test.
I'd say most vegans are genuinely trying to make the world better for the animals. And another part are probably doing it as a way of restricting their food intake and being healthier/skinnier/both.

>>12248899
/thread

I tell people I'm vegan but really it's just a cover for my anorexia.

>>12248687
Main reasons are health, environmental and ethical; most the ones who are in it for health are just fad vegans though and usually flop

End goal is the freedom of non-human animals, ending of animal agriculture, abolition of pet ownership, etc.

Even looking away from ethics, you've gotta be blind not to see how inefficient and needless the continued enslavement and consumption of animals is; it's killing the planet

>>12248687
A Global Nazi Empire, Hail Hitler !

>>12248968
If you consume animal products you're not vegan you fucking mongoloid, stop watering down the movement by being too thick to know that

>>12248687
Woman adopt to whatever ideology or trend that is promoted to them.
That's also the reason why woman should not be allowed to vote. They are soo easy to manipualte and cnange their minds as fast as they change their partners who have a different opinion.
Woman = mental babies.

>>12248687
Veganism is a white girl starvation cult. Girls are more susceptible to Veganism for two reasons.

1- most women are empty head emotional children. They see one image of animals being killed and they are literally traumatized to a degree that they willingly join a self harm cult and destroy their lives.

2. Some/most women are obsessed with being thin, and one thing Veganism is really good at, like anorexia is, is making you thin.

>>12248687
It's weird how they all do it for the exact same reasons like they're some sort of hive mind. Kind of scary when you think about it.

>>12248722
Every thing you posted is the exact opposite of the truth. Educate yourself or remain retarded.....

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5028238/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15514417
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/431794
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9499332
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8071280
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2550009/pdf/bmj00598-0020.pdf
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2351965/pdf/bmj00559-0017.pdf
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5214201/Vegan-chef-shot-dead-two-ex-wife-Christmas.html
https://chrismasterjohnphd.com/blog/2010/01/28/when-brain-is-hungry-for-cholestero/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIPUxJ3BC5s [Embed]
http://healthybabycode.com/why-you-cant-get-vitamin-a-from-eating-vegetables
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/11/091118072051.htm
https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/71/6/1545/4729534
https://www.fasebj.org/doi/full/10.1096/fj.08-121962
https://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/beta-carotene-vitamin-a-myth/
http://empoweredsustenance.com/true-vitamin-a-foods/
https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/abcs-of-nutrition/vitamin-a-vagary/
https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/abcs-of-nutrition/vitamin-a-saga/
https://philmaffetone.com/vitamin-a-and-the-beta-carotene-myth/

About cholesterol and saturated fat:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uGravo_p_w [Embed]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TamyKMlce_o [Embed]
https://www.patreon.com/posts/does-ldl-cause-23236669
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6tjdmBrh28 [Embed]
https://www.patreon.com/posts/cholesterol-fat-20447705

Do not trust a vegan, they won't hesitate to lie to you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-e0qZAuPF2s [Embed]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpzE8S3_7-M

>>12249106
I don't call myself vegan I'm not a part of any movement

>>12249130
>>12249122
>the mentally ill c*rnist is awake
I look forward to waking up to 230 posts of incoherent nonsense and crackpot youtube videos

>>12249157
I'm glad you have something to look forward to. I would be crushed if there were any more vegan suicides.

>>12248713
I'd argue that eating vegan and being vegan are different things, if you only eat lentils and veggies for budget reasons but you wouldn't turn down a free steak dinner I wouldn't call you a vegan

>>12249171
It's usually the other way around though, people will straight up refuse to eat lunch at a place that describes itself as vegetarian or vegan, because they get triggered by the V word. But I rarely hear vegans complaining that a restaurant has no options. There are always options even if it's not a good one. Vegans are probably used to accommodating other people. Whereas c*rnists seem to have this persecution complex that the international vegan conspiracy is coming to take away their hamboigahs one meal at a time. They'll happily eat nothing but pringles, donuts, and diet coke all day, but as soon as they're faced with a vegetarian mezze platter they'll start screeching about B12 and protein like they suddenly got their nutrition degree and became health freaks.

>>12249157
>accusing someone of being mentally ill in the same sentence where you use terms like „carnist“

>>12248687
>So what exactly is the end game or goal for vegans?
The real one, or the one they profess it to be?

>>12250599
Just like how actual idiots quickly resort to calling others retarded, so do actual crazy people like to resort to calling everyone mentally ill.
It's not such a strange phenomenon either, like how gays in denial are known to be the biggest homophobes.
First, it occupies their mind most of the time, and because it's true for them, those insults have likely been hurled at them a lot, and also because they're true: these hurt them a lot.
As a result, they'll want hurt others on that same level, but their overeagerness to do so often makes it backfire.

>>12250593
Because a place that advertises a certain lifestyle prioritizes ingredients over flavor. If soy or other meat replacements actually tasted like meat I would gladly eat it but it doesn't, so I don't eat it.
I get behind veganism / vegetarianism that doesn't try and spend all their time trying to replicate meat for it it taste like shit. I don't replicate vegetables using animal products because if I want to eat a fucking carrot I'll go eat a real carrot.
I'll stop being an evil carnist if vegans/vegetarians can persuade me to think that meat and other animal products taste bad.

>>12248713
I have vegetarian diet in daily basis but I won't flash my cards out like a superior fag, I don't mind eating meat but just not too into it but some are really good nevertheless

>>12250658
>prioritizes ingredients over flavor
Clearly you have never eaten South Indian food. By your logic hamburgers "prioritize ingredients over flavor" because hamburgers are conventionally made with ground beef and a bun and not, say, chopped pickles between slabs of boiled fish skin. Because hey, it's not like people choose ingredients for the taste, and how well they go together, right?
>meat replacements
Why is everything a "meat replacement" to you? Are french fries a "meat replacement"? They're not made out of meat.
>I would gladly eat it
Clearly you would not gladly eat anything that didn't come out of an average public school lunch tray

>>12250658
>I don‘t eat soy because it doesn‘t taste like meat
>I‘ll get behind veganism that doesn‘t try to make soy taste like meat

>>12250675
Everything that isn't steak is just trying to be steak. Can't these crazy vegans see that? The other day I tried to eat a slice of plain cheese pizza and it was just a shitty fake steak, I almost threw up. Why do these vegan extremists keep trying to make me eat fake steak that doesn't even taste like steak?

>>12250669
You're being pedantic in your first point. I obviously mean the taste and not just the amount of flavor.
Because soy is typically used as a replacement for animal products. Soy milk, soy proteins, soy whatever. You can make anything out of soy.

>>12250675
>we hate meat and where it comes from so much were going to replicate it and pretend to eat it
Either commit to your diet or don't. Instead of saying "soy tastes just like X" or that you won't notice the difference is disingenuous. If you're so hell bent on your movement you should detest anything relating to animal products, even imitations.

>>12250677
Autism.

>>12250689
>as a replacement for
There you go again. Also soy this, soy that. This is your brain on /pol/. If you're getting french fries blasted with soy texturizers maybe stop going to shitty fast food chains. Go try to find a soybean in your lunch thali with 10 different vegetarian dishes, or your Israeli vegetarian takeout.
>hell bent on your movement
>detest
There's your irrational carnist anger coming out. Everyone who chooses not to eat your crappy shitfood even for ONE meal is obviously trying to kill you. God forbid anyone eat something that tastes good and not some freakish boomer chain that has epic Super Bowl ads and shits out ice cream that's 70% soy anyway but it contains traces of dairy so it's not the scary vegan boogyman.

>>12250689
>Either commit to your diet or don't.
I’m not vegan, you just make no sense.
>If you're so hell bent on your movement you should detest anything relating to animal products, even imitations.
If you‘re going to dole out normative statements, you better supply them with some substantiation.

>>12250704
Eat what you want dude, it's a free country. I genuinely don't care what molecules you use to fuel your body.
You're the one getting upset my friend.
I'm just saying that I eat food for taste 90% of the team and anytime a soy protein is used it's a noticeable downgrade in flavor from a real meat alternative.

>>12250712
People who promote peace should not organize fist fights.

>>12250715
>I eat food for taste
You eat food that seems nonthreatening to your fast food gutter palate. If someone offered you food that tasted like real ingredients you'd make diarrhea jokes. I know for a fact if you were offered the same dish but one was labeled "vegetarian" and the other not, you'd choose the exact same food to avoid getting triggered. Same deal with halal or kosher with you people, you see a label and your brain explodes and you start complaining about the taste before you've even tasted it.

women do it because they have an eating disorder
men do it to get women.

>>12250715
>People who promote peace should not organize fist fights.
Ah, a vacuous platitude in place of argumentation. Who would have guessed this is going to happen.

>>12250720
okay.
Seems like you're upset.

>>12250727
If I were vegan for social reasons I probably wouldn't want to even associate with meat.

>>12250732
You‘re once again not making any sense and just blurting out irrational statements. Veg(etari)anism on ethical grounds is motivated by elimination of animal suffering. Both a vegan burger patty and some veggie stew are equal in that regard.

>>12248713
Meat has b12 because animals have bacteria in their gut that produce it for them. Fucking moron. Nice flex though trying to justify your unnatural supplementation. Hurr aniamls have to supplement too hurrrrr durr

>>12250899
Idiot, you know nothing about agriculture

>>12250929
https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_B12#Bacteria_and_archaea

“Ruminants, such as cows and sheep, absorb B12 produced by bacteria in their guts.”

>>12250953
But you do know that 80-90% of all B12 supplements produced is given to livestock right?

>>12248687
My girlfriend with whom I'm currently separated, please baby come back, shit will be different, I promise has a bad stomach condition where she gets intense stach cramps if she eats a little too much eggs, meat or dairy.

>>12250899
so is that why some animals eat their own pupu?

>>12251794
Unironically yes.

so if vegans dont eat honey then how tf do they drink water lmao, thats a fish's house

Their end game is to kill all carnists and feast on their flesh.

>>12250593
If a place advertises itself as vegan it's not going to have non-vegan options is the difference

I won't be whiny and I'll just eat some shitty tofu vegetable thing, but I'd still much rather have meat, vegans can order a salad at a steakhouse but I can't order a burger at a soy bistro

>>12250669
curious what does south indian food taste like?

>>12251927
More similar to thai in that they use more citrus, cilantro, lemongrass, etc.

>>12250953
Yeah, too an extent everyone absorbs b12 through their shit. Some animals even eat their shit for that vitamin. YOU just eat the shit of other animals, which is technically vamparism and scat. Don't believe me? Check on how feces makes it into animal products.

Vegan food that is based on meat products is called TRANSITION FOOD. It's for people who are transitioning from a carnal diet to a plant based diet. It's not meant to be anything more than a treat. Fat ass 3 meal a day faggots think they are meant to eat them all day every day.

>>12248687
They don't eat meat because animals can't or won't consent to dying and being eaten
Women are much more impressionable and always take up social anti theses. Trained like dogs by pop culture.

>>12248878
bro. Long Life Veggie House

>>12252231
>brainwashed since birth to conform to carnist culture
>b-but it's the 2% of the population who are vegan that throw off the chains of brainwashed carnism who are the lap dogs
Lmao!

>>12252253
>the oppression is real in my mind
t vegan drone

>>12252266
>I live in imaginary fantasy land
Keep acting like billions of animals arent killed per year, nigger

just eat oysters

Globally veganism is about dressing up austerity. There is not enough meat to go around. Astroturfing meatless interest is necessary for "sustainability" but for whom?

>>12252460
Who knew billions of animals being killed per year isnt sustainable? These vegan food companies are merely capturing an emerging market. The trends are showing the world is becoming more and more vegan. It's the right thing to do.

>>12252355
There‘s nothing wrong with killing animals.

>>12252479
That's mistaken. The vegan lifestyle cult is Hegelian trap. That said, inclusion of meats doesn't demand factory farms, the economics and resources concerns are a problem even if climate change is fake and gay.

>>12252355
how else do we get the meat from them u fucking retard we cant nicely ask them to borrow some

>>12252460
We just need to wait for lab grown meat. Sane people aren't going to eat bugs or plastic rice.

>>12249125
your post reads like meat eaters to me

>>12252479
>It's the right thing to do.
Sounds like a slogan for overpriced vegan meat replacement products.

>>12252487
It's about getting over your own ego and recognizing the value of life in another creature that is equal to the value of your life. You can sustain yourself without causing the suffering of others.

>>12252485
Veganism is not inherently Marxist. Hitler was a vegetarian and promoted a meatless diet. Maybe if you want to be a nigger tier lizard smasher you can eat meat, but ascended humans recognize the dense energy is limiting. Plants are based senpai.

>>12252517
those are for foolish consumers who are jsut into the trend. no actual vegan buys those things.

>>12252525
No, animals are not equal to humans.

>>12252525
>It's about getting over your own ego and recognizing the value of life in another creature that is equal to the value of your life.
There‘s nothing wrong with slaughtering animals we‘ve given life to.

>>12252517
Fruits are what I recommend. Humans are frugivores. You don't need soy chemical product pushed by Chaim Goldstein to be a vegan.

I suggest the yt channels mic the vegan and earthling ed for anyone curious about veganism one way or the other, mic the vegan in particular cites studies, lists sources for those, and admits when he is wrong.

if you can get over your cognitive dissonance you might learn something. vegans arent all blue haired globalist sjws that want you to castrate yourself like some places on the internet want you to believe. I promise.

>>12252534
>>12252536
>sleepinghumans.jpeg
Wake up faggots

>>12252538
>frugivores
no, I recently evolved into being able to digest more than that, but thanks. I'll just stick to beans, oats and potatoes if I wanna go meatless for a while.

>>12249130
Bruh.. chill all they do is eat plants, why this spergout?

>>12252563
Fruits are the best food to eat, they are hydrating and have an abundance of minerals. All else is not as good but you can still eat those things. Your life will change for the better if you eat mainly organic fruits.

Veganism is some apex self destructive altruism.
Via objectivist epistemology you can ask: if it's objectively immoral to consume meat, why would the attainment of this purpose have lead to failure of coming to realize it's premise
Check mate idiot vegans
Don't @ me incels

>>12252582
Can you restate your claim because its literally retarded

>>12252536
>>12252534
is it okay for animals to suffer unnecessarily?

>>12252594
t low IQ

>>12252600
>attainment of this purpose
>realize its premise
Be more specific nigger

>>12252594
You can always spot vegan posters easy

>>12252607
>vegans can't into high school philosophy

>>12252582
I think I understand your nigger tier claim.

You are saying
>If it's immoral to consume meat, why would eating meat for a period of time have lead to a failure of understanding that it's immoral
Correct me if i'm wrong

The thing is this isn't the case, nigger. Veganism is exploding year after year, more and more people are switching, and the signs are showing that industries like dairy will be dead in 10 years. Nice try though.

>>12252611
>implying americans learn philosophy in high school
I'm also not an armchair filosopher on a fillipino fast food forum, faggot.

>>12252608
>>12252611
>making character remarks instead of restating the point and moving the conversation forward

>>12252355
>shows 'halal' slaughter while insinuating that every animal is slaughtered like this
*ka-ching* "your deposit from vegans today had just been processed!"

>>12252626
>needing hand holding in an entry level discussion on morality from a milk crate manufactorium's digital bulletin board
If you can't keep up you stay behind

>>12252628
Like this is any better. You carnists are great at rationalization. Leave it to the jews to have the most brutal way of killing what they consume.

>>12252623
so it's like society is seeing how meat eating is wrong, thus proving the point of that post?

>>12252599
No, that‘s why we should strive to abolish factory farming and support ethical practices. Abstaining from meat altogether is nothing but a cop out.

>>12252632
got it, you're not here for actual discussion. all the best, friend.

>>12252639
That poster's claim implies that society is not seeing that meat eating is wrong, which is false.

>>12252640
is it ethical to kill animals when you don't have to eat their meat in order to survive?

>>12252645
>which is false

>>12252645
thank you for your reply

>>12252642
He's here to flex on the vegans with his high IQ! He probably has parasites.

>>12252640
How is it a cop out? Meat is inferior in nutrition to plants, and causes unnecessary suffering to other life forms.

>>12249106
Imagine having a movement based on malnutrition

>>12252642
Arguing over vegans about animals consenting to be eaten is like arguing with Canadians about animals consenting to suck off peanut butter dick

>>12252660
>Demand for meat free food increased by 987% in 2017
>Has no actual argument so ad hominems and post anime faces
Peak autism right here, folks

>>12252676
>one thousand to ten thousand
Oof
>has no arguments
Provide one; all I saw was a faulty deconstruction using laymen's terms

>>12252686
You must be a kike because you're excellent at evading the argument like a snake.

>>12252657
It is ethical when a single cow carcass provides more utility both nutritionally and otherwise than a substantial chunk of floral biome. Being eco-conscious is about minimizing the damage to ecosystems and extracting greatest amount of value from that damage, not saving as many bovine souls as you can.
>>12252666
>Meat is inferior in nutrition in plants
It most certainly isn‘t.

>>12252634
Do you support factory farming of vegetables even though it destroys farmlands, the surrounding waterways, causes severe algae blooms in areas where the waterways exit into stagnant bodies of water which kill of fish and kills any critter dumb enough to get in front of threshers?
No?
Well I don't support factory farming either

>>12252701
Educate yourself. It's well documented that a plant based diet is the best form of nutrition for humans.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3662288/

>>12252705
>factory farming vegetables
I'm not even going to talk about how retarded what you said is. Can you please post the source to support your claim of these destroyed farmlands and killing of fish?

>>12252711
>case study
>only studies the effects of a reduced calorie diet and then extrapolates it to mean that the specific foods he was eating was the cause
>no control group
>no double blind study
>barely cited
This is Wikipedia as a source tier
2/10 apply yourself

>>12252701
>Being eco-conscious is about minimizing the damage to ecosystems and extracting greatest amount of value from that damage
from my understanding, it takes far less farmland to cultivate enough plants to feed people than it does to cultivate plants to feed animals that people eat as well as the animals themselves.

on an industrial scale, isn't plant farming better than animal farming? in that it uses less resources with greater yields.

speaking about the environment, I'm inclined to think that smaller-scale permaculture is the best for everyone but I'm aware of how unrealistic that seems currently.

>>12252705
see what I said up there
also, a vegan that thinks they're doing no harm is either growing all of their own food or misguided. it's about doing the best you can with the resources you have available.

>>12252711
I know you‘re just a malnourished cultist, but even in that condition you should be able to read and comprehend the conclusion of your very own link and comprehend that in no way, shape or form does it even give the logical precursors to, let alone outright suggest that „plant based diet is the best form of nutrition for humans“.

For all the meat eaters out there

>>12252741
>cant read

Here
>A plant-based diet is not an all-or-nothing program, but a way of life that is tailored to each individual. It may be especially beneficial for those with obesity, Type 2 diabetes, high blood pressure, lipid disorders, or cardiovascular disease. The benefits realized will be relative to the level of adherence and the amount of animal products consumed. Strict forms of plant-based diets with little or no animal products may be needed for individuals with inoperable or severe coronary artery disease. Low-sodium, plant-based diets may be prescribed for individuals with high blood pressure or a family history of coronary artery disease or stroke. A patient with obesity and diabetes will benefit from a plant-based diet that includes a moderate amount of fruits and vegetables and minimal low-fat animal products. Severe obesity may require counseling and initial management with a low-calorie diet or very-low-calorie diet and the supervision of a physician’s team. Patients with kidney disease may need a plant-based diet with special restrictions, for example fruits and vegetables that are high in potassium and phosphorus. Finally, patients with thyroid disease will need to be careful when consuming plants that are mild goitrogens, like soy, raw cruciferous vegetables, sweet potatoes, and corn. These patients should be informed that cooking these vegetables inactivates the goitrogens.

>Physicians should advocate that it is time to get away from terms like vegan and vegetarian and start talking about eating healthy, whole, plant-based foods (primarily fruits and vegetables) and minimizing consumption of meat, eggs, and dairy products. Physicians should be informed about these concepts so they can teach them to staff and patients.

This is a growing field and there will be more and more evidence supporting plant based diets in the coming years.

>>12252716
>Fertilizer runoffs cause increased levels of nitrogen in the water
>increased nitrogen causes increased algae growth
>algae starves the water of oxygen causing mass death in the body of water affected
Woah, almost as if this took all of 2 minutes to figure out
Read a fucking book you nigger

>>12252739
it's a meta article that cites 46 sources. it's so people like you don't have to read all 46 of them to get the bigger picture.

>>12252744
seek help, you are mentally ill

>>12252754
they asked for a source to support your claim, where is your source? what is the name of your "fucking book"?

>>12252754
>argues against farming produce because muh algae (like the majority of farms are near bodies of water anyway)
>meanwhile, pig farms across the country are hundreds to thousands of tons of pig shit into the water
Unironically kill yourself

>>12251914
I agree with that. I usually just order fries or just a drink. What gets me is that my friends get bent out of shape if I order just a side or just a drink. It's kinda gay because I don't get bent out of shape about them eating meat or inviting me to a place that doesn't serve food I want.

It'd be like me inviting them to a fish restaurant if they don't enjoy seafood.

>>12252748
Yes, you‘re very proficient with the copy-paste function indeed, but once again I‘d like to point out that in no way does this text suggest that plant based diets are provide „the best“ form of nutrition. I know it‘s hard to think clearly with sever aminoacid deficiency, but I believe you‘ll succeed if you try hard enough.

>>12252766
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=fertilizer+runoff+in+lakes

>>12252705
Ok, then you support the halal slaughter the other post was sperging out about, you dumb yid.

>>12252764
>no argument
Typical

>>12252779
>I need to be spoonfed exact words in order to come to conclusions
Kike arguing semantics. I know it's hard to think when your colon is inhabiting dozens of pounds of old feces and worms, you should look into that.

>>12252787
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>>12252740
>I'm aware of how unrealistic that seems currently
Do you know why that is? Because hundreds of billions in subsidies are funneled to unsustainable, megacorporate conventional scorched earth chemical driven agriculture due to the millions paid into the election coffers of Congressmen and presidents happily selling out to those moneyed special interests. If a fraction of that money were dedicated to developing and upscaling permaculture methods to an industrial level we could have it in short order. It will take drastic election reform to return the country back to the citizens instead of a corporate oligarchy, however, and that possibility looks extremely bleak given the current nightmare.

>>12252802
Well said. Meat is only affordable because of government subsidization. The ZOG wants you to eat your meat 3 times a day, goys!

>>12250658
Methanol doesn't taste bad at all. In fact, it tastes better than alcohol. You should drink more of it.

>>12252740
>from my understanding, it takes far less farmland to cultivate enough plants to feed people than it does to cultivate plants to feed animals that people eat
That depends on the metric. By raw energetic valies it is of course true. An interim consumption layer incurs severe penalties, however we don‘t just have quantitative energetic needs, but also qualitative ones, ie certain mineral and organic elements that only occure in necessary quantities in animal flesh. In that regard cattle are highly effective biochemical factories. That is not to mention that it has several dozen other uses besides nutrition.

>>12252818
>certain mineral and organic elements that only occure in necessary quantities in animal flesh
Such as?
>inb4 b12

>>12252802
do you think that large-scale permaculture would eliminate the problems with current agricultural practices? more particularly regarding the death of smaller animals and bugs since it would obviously solve or reduce the problem of leeching nutrients and habitat destruction.

in case it's not completely obvious, I have only an introductory amount of knowledge on it and as such I'd be interested if you have any educational literature or whatnot off hand.

>eat meat for dinner once a week, fish my own the rest, with side of potatoes
>enter thread
>see autists on both sides try to push their way of life on eachother, oblivious to the fact that the other party isn't even listening to them or their arguments
>shitposts of various intensity are exchanged
>another day passes in the vegan thread

>>12252790
I‘m not arguing semantics, my little poledditor. The text literally doesn‘t even presuppose your position, let alone give a judgement on it. I know you‘re used to doling out links that are vaguely connected to topic at hand through a few keywords and chestbeat about epic btfo without even bothering so much as to comprehend their conclusion, but this is not your home subreddit, so I‘m afraid you‘re going to have to try harder.

>>12249130
the carn*st is immunized against most dangers, but call out a vegan thread and watch as he thrashes and flails wildly - spamming hearsay, shady claims and junk science. Eventually he ad homs into shitposting the same youtube videos and pictures of people who were already mentally ill or deranged even before you take into account their diet.

>>12252818
thank you for your replies.

>ie certain mineral and organic elements that only occure in necessary quantities in animal flesh
iirc, we can get everything we need from plant sources. I know that bioavailability is an issue and that most of us can't get the amount of b12 and in some cases/parts of the world vitamin d from plant sources, but there are ways of maximizing bioavailability, and in the cases of b12 and vitamin d it's often the case that meat eaters need supplementation as well. b12 for instance exists in the organs and most people eat the muscle, which is now injected with it anyway.

>it has several dozen other uses besides nutrition
agreed and that ingenuity is something I admire in the animal industry, but I think that there either exists or will exist in time plant based alternatives. I'm aware of hemp in particular as having a lot of potential.

>>12252808
Don't cut yourself on that edge

>>12252231
Popular culture is the polar opposite of veganism. Don't believe me? Make a vegan post on reddit, tumblr, twitter, and etc.. If you aren't banned, watch how quickly the discussion is stifled with bullshit or excuses.
E.g. "You can still be compassionate towards animals before they're slaughtered and eaten"

>>12252868
look I eat plant-based and everything, i'm on your side, but your use of the word "carnist" is an instant "I am a militant vegan" flag for me. If you want to connect with these people (since finding common ground is the first step in the path to winning them over, after all) then using terminology that doesn't incite them is a good way to start.

all the best

>>12252872
It‘s not just B12, a whole range of vitamins and essential elements exist and are efficiently bioavailable only through meat. Ie you can nominally get the same amount through various plants, but it is practically impossible to consume the amount required to wholly substitute meat.

Efficiency is overall something the trendy eco-hipsters don‘t really get. A good example would be „organic“ farming: typically the yields per ha from „bio“ farms that avoid all forms of artificial fertilization are 2-4x lower than that of those which don‘t. Lower yields mean proportionally higher amounts of land required to match the output, means more ecosystems destroyed and refurbished for farming needs. It leads to absurd situations like „organic“ tote bags being magnitudes more hazardous to environment than normal ones, yet their yuppie consumers being adamant about fighting da power.

>>12252938
I'd be interested to see the literature that states that you can't get everything through plants, and the list of vitamins et al that we can't get from plants, as everything I've found has seemed to indicate the opposite.

Would permaculture be an adequate organic solution to the problems you detailed? less + more efficient land usage without the need for crop rotation.

do you have anything to say to the literature out there that connects increased meat consumption to higher incident of disease and cancer?

>>12251914
>some shitty tofu vegetable thing
Tofu is served with pork or seafood more often than not, it seems like you don’t get out much. South Indian food doesn’t use tofu at all. It kinda seems like your notions of food are based on flyover standards circa 1976

>>12252873
>implying im wrong

>>12252853
>Cancer, diabetes, heart disease - all diseases caused by meat consumption
>Multiple dozens of studies showing that a plant based diet reverses these diseases
>Still need to be spoonfed that a plant based diet is better
Niggers are everywhere here

>>12252851
>He thinks i'm trying to convince the posters
I argue on here for the lurkers

>>12252938
List the minerals that meat has that plants don't. Vitamin D you get from the sun. B12 is bacteria in the soil, the only reason vegans (or anyone) needs to supplement it is because our soil is fucked thanks to Monsanto GMO farming. Animals are supplemented with B12 and Vit D anyway.

>>12253003
I‘m phoneposting like the absolute scum that I am, so unfortunately I don‘t have any literature suggestions on hand for you.

Permaculture is an interesting development and certainly one we should look into more. Personally I think we should try to develop more intensive eco-friendly farming methods. Fertilizers that decompose faster and don‘t pollute groundwater, machinery that is more efficient and less intrusive and so on. The current trend seems to be focusing on extensive methods, driven in large parts by marketing playing on consumer ignorance like the aforementioned organic farming. We‘re very much at the point where we have to think of fertile land as a finite resource on a planetary scale and however baffling that might seem on first sight sometimes the directly more harmful cultivation methods are less so in the long wrong than the alternatives through land efficiency alone.

Here‘s a pretty curious study on the whole cotton bag thing I mentioned, that concludes counterintuitively that provided adequate recycling policies plastic bags are pretty much unbeatable in their environmental impact, while „organic fairtrade“ ones are nearly the worst thing one could have: https://www2.mst.dk/udgiv/publications/2018/02/978-87-93614-73-4.pdf

>>12252938
>whole range of vitamins and essential elements exist and are efficiently bioavailable only through mea

>efficiently
Nice jewry. Cope harder. Meaningless rhetoric with no basis

>>12253098

>>12253082
I‘m fairly sure no study suggests or will ever suggest any dietary changes can „reverse“ cancer or diabetes, as those conditions incur structural tissue malformations and irreversible obstruction of metabolic pathways, but your double digit IQ attempts to save face are quite cute, so do go on.

>>12248687
>So what exactly is the end game or goal for vegans?
Anemia.

>>12253102
>he doesn't know cancer is merely chronic acidosis concentrated in an area of the body

>I'm fairly sure no study suggests
>Ignores 46 studies linked above

I can almost feel your mouthbreathing through my screen nigger. You obviously know nothing about dis ease in the body and detoxification. I would tell you to kill yourself but you're already on the path.

>>12253098
>jewry
>Cope
>Meaningless
I am dumbfounded and besieged. Damn you and your heavyweight arguments foiling my evil jewish plan.

>>12253114
>cancer is merely chronic acidosis concentrated in an area of the body
You should inform the Nobel Prize commitee immediately.

>>12253122
Otto Warburg already did, in 1933. Cancer is an industry and the doctors want customers.

>>12253125
See, we‘re back at a point where you liberally make wide ranging claims and try to support them with namedropping people whose work you‘re not even remotely equipped to comprehend.

>>12253084
thank you for the conversation friend. all the best to you, even if you are a abhorrent phone poster.

>>12253138
Your pilpul is impressive kike but your innate nature shows how much of a slimy kike you are. Keep projecting please, it's quite entertaining.

Maybe you should actually do some research instead of listening blindly to Dr. Cohen.

>>12253145
*an

>>12253118
Wow! Smug condescension. Defeated I am!!

>>12253149
I wish I could say the same for you, but your rapid descent into polleditesque butzword sperging and lack of argumentative basis leave far too much to be desired.

name calling is not how we come together and makes for terrible arguing. if we can leave the "kike"s and "soy"s at the door then maybe we could actually have good discussions once in a while.

>>12253161
My understanding through experiential reference as well as academic research is vastly superior to your hypnotized trance from animalistic desires that prevent you from actually looking at yourself, and the truth. This is called cognitive dissonance. Keep taking your Gardasil© and your Prozac©, and keep eating meat too. Fruit will definitely just give you a sugar rush LOL! Make sure to eat 5 meals a day too.

>>12253185
Well, see, posts like these just make me concerned you‘re having a stroke, and not the fun kind.

>>12253206
You have no legitimate refutations to anything i've said. Keep posturing or say something substantial.

Veganism is being pushed hard by the authorities. Eventually, everyone will be forced to be vegan. Thank god for impossible burgers. I won't even miss meat when this finally happens.

>>12253227
You‘re the one making grand claims about plant based diet and cancerogenesis, my basepilled friend. And both of those are yet to be substantiated by anything other than haphazardly googled unrelated studies and clumsy namedropping. I‘d say the ball is in your court.

>>12253250
>unrelated studies
>clumsy name dropping
Top kek, ebin troll mein freund. You mentioned the nobel prize and I shared with you a man who actually was awarded a nobel prize for, let alone in 1930's, discovering cancer only exists in an acidic environment. Yes, that is a clumsy namedrop.

Formless kike pilpul at it's best. I've already shared resources of information, yet you have shared nothing. Because you have nothing.

>>12251018
You do know that when you search animal b12 supplementation the only results that come up are vegan propaganda and no actual sources.

>>12253286
>cancer only exists in an acidic environment
You realize that not only is this statement not inferrable from Warburg‘s work, let alone directly supported by it, but it doesn‘t even make sense in and of itself? Once again I will refer you to our previous argument at >>12252741 and the fact that you seem to not understand that blurting out nonsense (and judging by that brilliant last bit, the battle with high-school physiology must have been a tough one for you) and tacking on something vaguely related that you can‘t comprehend does not a proper argumentation make?

>>12253324
wrong

>>12253343
Why don't you actually explain your stance and refute why the statement isnt inferrable and makes no sense. Instead you tout baseless platitudes that again have no substance behind them and resort to ad hominems. We can discuss why I'm misinterpreting Warburgs work. Go ahead and explain why, kike.

>>12253389
How can I explain why you decided anything Warburg has done supports your poorly stringed together „sciency“ word salad? Indeed, once again, it is your job to substantiate your claims. Or at least try to while you battle with intricacies of English grammar and fail at case government.

>>12253439
Thanks for proving your mental deficiency. You have nothing of substance to say.

>>12253389
>>12253439
The name Warburg sounds like it could be Yiddish.

>>12253475
I have plenty, darling. I‘m just not particularly keen on indulging the „here are some ex nihilo claims and nonsequiturs prove me wrong“ poledditors. Too bad you couldn‘t do any better.

>>12253507
I'm not here to appease your appetite, glutton. If you don't want discourse that's on you.

>>12253505
He was partly jewish but Hitler said he was cool caused he cured cancer n shit.

>>12253524
>If you don't want discourse that's on you.
But I do. Crave it in fact. Yet you give me nothing but epic meme pictures and desperate cries to prove wrong random statements off the top of your head.

>>12253524
So Hitler who argues for a diet of vegetables and grains supports someone who argues for a diet of meat? Who's doing what? Who's arguing who? You've totally left me behind, I can't read through this thread near the bottom

>>12253537
What are you on about? Warburgs work supports eating an alkaline food rich diet, which is fruits and vegetables. Hitler supported this mans work and let him stay in Germany.

>>12253536
All you are saying is
>No you're wrong, it makes no sense and youre stupid
Yet you aren't saying why. You want me to just spoonfeed you red pills like the baby you are? It might dribble down your chin and make a mess. I'm having a lot of fun roasting you. If you make a legitimate claim or any sort of refutation I will engage with that, until then i'm going to laugh at how retarded kikes like you are.

>>12253551
>What are you on about?
My own confusion, thanks for clearing it up

>>12253559
No worries, definitely look into Warburg and others like Arnold Ehret

>>12253551
>Yet you aren't saying why
I did tell you why. The study you linked in no way whatsoever states that „plant based diets are the best form of nutrition“ (nor would indeed any study designate something as plain „best“ without specific qualifying factors or metrics). Warburg‘s work in no way can be interpreted as „cancer only exists in acidic environment“ (nor does that statement even make sense itself).
>You want me to just spoonfeed you red pills like the baby you are?
If that is your special ed slang for substantiating yourself, then yes, I would love it if you did that.

>>12253576
You are obviously trying to pin me on semantics when I never claimed the study linked stated the words "it's the best form of nutrition." If you had any faculty of critical thinking you'd acutally read the comprehensive guide for physicians referencing 46 studies on the benefits of a plant based diet, posted in 2013 for gods sake, instead of ctrl+f'ing "plant diet best nutrition" then saying i'm wrong cause you got 0 results.

On to Warburg, if his work cant be interpreted as "cancer only exists in an acidic environment", how can it be interpreted? What is your interpretation? Do you see how you actually said nothing here?

Your argument here is very narrow and you still have nothing substantial to say. I've already made my claims clear. So many armchair faggots postulating on a brazilian cricket eating board acting like their autism is anything but deficient genetics.

I could tell you all about how cancer is a disease humans have chosen due to their disgusting habits, but you'd probably scoff as you waddle to mcdonalds to order your dozen mchickens.

WHAT IS THIS THREAD ABOUT

>>12253642
>>12253642
Nazi vegans dude

>>12253636
I‘m not trying to „pin“ you on anything. You‘re mostly pinning yourself.

>I never claimed the study linked stated the words "it's the best form of nutrition."
This >>12252711 is your post where you linked the study:
>Educate yourself. It's well documented that a plant based diet is the best form of nutrition for humans.
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3662288/

>On to Warburg, if his work cant be interpreted as "cancer only exists in an acidic environment", how can it be interpreted? What is your interpretation? Do you see how you actually said nothing here?
I see that you made a very specific claim about his work and half a dozen posts later still can‘t substantiate it, instead desperately trying to make me talk the talk for you. His works are in public domain and I would be delighted to finally see a single citation that supports your slapdash popsci rigamarole.

>I‘ve already made my claims clear
Yes, honey. Now you have only to substantiate them.

>>12253733
You are pinning your idea that I made the claim the studies linked specifically stated the words, which is not the case, while ignoring the principles behind what i'm saying. Very one dimensional.

Did you read this image >>12253149? I've already substantiated my claims through the 46 studies and the quotations and references of Warburg. The whole alkaline - acidity thing is very simple. Human blood has a ph of 7.4. When the blood becomes acidic, you die. Your body works very hard to maintain a blood ph balance of 7.4. When humans eat acidic foods, like meat and processed foods, it taxes the internal organs and constipates the lymph system. This over time deprives the body of oxygen, due to the fermentation of undigested foods in the intestines and on a cellular level in the lymph, and as Warburgs work found, cancer cells feed on sugar from fermentation instead of oxygen like healthy cells. Once the acidosis is chronic, cancer and other diseases manifest.

If you're tired of being a nigger you can educate yourself by reading a book https://www.amazon.com/Prime-Cause-Cancer-Understand-Book-ebook/dp/B018UR2PIY/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=otto+warburg+cancer&qid=1556588452&s=gateway&sr=8-1

I've wasted enough energy on you. I hope I helped some lurkers.

>>12253819
>You are pinning your idea that I made the claim the studies linked specifically stated the words, which is not the case, while ignoring the principles behind what i'm saying.
I am pinning my idea on the fact that you made a very specific claim about plant based diets being „the best“. The study doesn‘t support your claim not because „it didn‘t express it in your exact words“, but because it didn‘t express it in any words, instead listing potential benefits in specific cases. I know they don‘t teach that in /pol/ice academy, but your claim is not inferrable from these conclusions alone, just as wine reducing coronary disease risk doesn‘t imply wine being „the best“ drink.
>Did you read this image
Kek. Are you sincerely taking your „knowledge“ from a fucking picture with random unsourced garbage in it? Warburg didn‘t get his Nobel for „discovering cause of cancer“, he got it for describing the mechanism of cell respiration through cytochrome oxidase. His work on cancer didn‘t conclude that „cancer grows in acidic tissue“, but discovered that already cancerous cells use lactic acid fermentation instead of citric cycle for energy. And finally it was his open hypothesis that oxygen deprivation leads to cancer, which has been since proven false as we‘ve had a century of genetic research (which you so love to boast about in your polyp hyperreality) that uncovered mutagenic nature of cancerogenesis and observed mutated cells use a number of metabolic pathways besides anaerobic fermentation, which is one of the prime reasons it‘s so damn tough to beat. Fuck me, I thought I was talking to someone naively misenterpreting his findings, but you‘re literally just a straight up infographic retard. Peak poleddit.
>I've wasted enough energy on you.
Should have held your breath and quickly grown a tumor to prove everyone wrong, you bumbling cretin.

>>12254076
>which has been since proven false
Cite your claims nigger. Quit evading. How has it been proven false? The infographic is for quick information that you then look into deeper. I was making sure you know how to read. I've seen and know many people who have cured their cancer and other debilitating diseases through oxygen rich food, mainly fruits. I'm on the path myself. There is plenty of modern evidence and examples of alkaline diets reversing disease, aka it being the best diet for humans.

If you can't stop pilpuling and look at the deeper nuances, it shows how kikes really are low iq. Warburg himself said that there are many secondary causes of cancer, but the primary cause is lack of oxygen in the cells. Deprive cells of oxygen by 35% for 48 hours and they turn cancerous. In order to dig deeper you then look at the secondary causes which is 80%+ of the time diet related, also alcohol and cigarettes. The whole point of this thread is that the endgame is when vegan national socialists rise up they will neck kikes like you real good.

>>12248687
the end goal is to love their fursona, Furries created veganism for that reason

>>12254147
>How has it been proven false?
By countless amounts of empirical evidence observing cancerous cells using aerobic cycles instead of fermentation.
https://f1000.com/prime/reports/pubmed/26097714
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5095922/
>I've seen and know many people who have cured their cancer and other debilitating diseases through oxygen rich food, mainly fruits. I'm on the path myself. There is plenty of modern evidence and examples of alkaline diets reversing disease, aka it being the best diet for humans.
Yes, yes, and many people have seen Jesus on their toast and polio being cured by hyperdoses of Vitamin C. Thankfully we have scientific method and controlled studies to develop actual treatments and don‘t have to rely on angry tards like you.
>If you can't stop pilpuling and look at the deeper nuances
I‘m giving you actual current scientific consensus, you absolute baboon. The only „nuance“ here is your wishful thinking based on some rather poor understanding of physiology and skimmed „redpill“ threads, not unlike that of antivax soccer moms.

>>12253149
>eating something alkaline makes your body alkaline
Huh, wonder what the purpose of stomach acid is

>>12253361
>I found an image therefore I'm right

>>12253819
No you dumb fuck
>In the duodenum, gastric acid is neutralized by sodium bicarbonate. This also blocks gastric enzymes that have their optima in the acid range of pH. The secretion of sodium bicarbonate from the pancreas is stimulated by secretin. This polypeptide hormone gets activated and secreted from so-called S cells in the mucosa of the duodenum and jejunum when the pH in the duodenum falls below 4.5 to 5.0.

I only eat meat of not domesticated animals like fish and deer because it feels fair if they lived like theyre supposed to. Is there a name for this kind of diet?

>>12253361
>>12251018
>>12250929
>>12248713
mentally challenged

>>12248687
>So what exactly is the end game or goal for vegans?
Everyone is different with their own mindsets and reasoning. Don't worry about it. We enjoy our steak, they enjoy their tofu. Whatever if you do, don't ask them about their diet. You'll regret it for the next 3 hours as they lecture you about about animal emotions and pseudo-science they read on facebook.

>>12255696
IRL vegans shut down and "don't want to talk about it" if you know anything about agriculture, or if you mention the staggering hypocrisy of Veganism in general. These ideas are taboo and NEVER allowed on any MSM outlet or especially any "debate" with any vegan leader/imbecile...

https://theconversation.com/ordering-the-vegetarian-meal-theres-more-animal-blood-on-your-hands-4659

>>12248687
I have gout something fierce. Better off eating nuts and fruits, vegetables and what not.

>>12252599
Yes. Happens all the time in nature.

>>12255956
That was an interesting read. Thank you for sharing.

>>12256022
So does rape and murder. Humans are supposed to be 'above' executing those actions. Anyone that does is considered mentally ill. Same goes for torturing animals. Go tell your buddies at work that you just poisoned you just drowned a cat and see how they react.

We're human. It would not be a stretch to say we're expected to be 'above' nature and primitive instincts.

Tfw pescatarian cause I couldn’t give up meat completely

Women do and believe whatever authority/society tells them to. Through media they can trick females into believing that media propaganda = current popular opinion you have to adhere , even if it isn't popular at all, men will have to eventually follow because if they don't they get no pussy and get shamed by females and other men that succumbed to it.

>>12256066
Lol fucking cuck

>>12256028
Check out Lierre Kieth as well, she's a bonafide libtard and she won't ever change on that, but she was vegan for 20 years and finally had to quit when it completely destroyed her health.

Now she warns the next generation of gullible feminist empty heads (they don't listen of course lol)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ve8eDka07zs

>>12248878
Imagine being this stupid and conservative.

>>12248899
>tee he I'm veganfluid, sometimes I just eat vegan for awhile!
Your #1 is all over the place. Veganism is a lifestyle change, not something you just do seasonally or temporarily. Whether or not theres a moral, ethical, or dietary reason to do so, you cant just be temporarily vegan without not being vegan. It doesnt work that way. If you have a dietary need then you're not going to just do it once in awhile. If it's a moral reason then why bother believing something you cant practice? And if it's an ethical reason then you betray the ethics in the industry you stand for the minute you break away from it. I dont call myself a vegetarian despite my diet being vegetarian 90% of the year because I will once in a awhile eat a steak. Eating a steak is already incompatible with vegetarianism, so I don't pretend I fall under that category. I just have a diet that almost entirely removes meat.

>>12252914
Fuck you faggot no one gives a shit you’re on a trendy diet fat fuck

>>12248687
Question--

What group of (not) physicians is heavily funded, and led by an emaciated nujob ex-PETA pretend animal rights advocate???

Dr. Barnard's physicians group for perpetual starvation!!!

>PCRM has been repeatedly criticized by the mainstream medical community. The American Medical Association has called PCRM a “fringe organization” that uses “unethical tactics” and is “interested in perverting medical science.” When he was the AMA’s Vice President for Scientific Affairs, Dr. Jerod M. Loeb wrote that PCRM was “officially censured” by the AMA. That statement also condemned PCRM for supporting “a campaign of misinformation against important animal research of AIDS.” And the American Academy of Neurology has denounced PCRM for “engag[ing] in a multi-year crusade against the March of Dimes including protests directed at March walkers, volunteers, and donors.”

>PCRM promotes strict vegan diets for children—despite numerous examples of serious health complications and even death brought on by plant-based diets in childhood. Ignoring the consensus among pediatricians that vegan diets can be extremely dangerous for children if not managed carefully, PCRM continues to promote childhood veganism indiscriminately. Downplaying a 2005 case when three Arizona children were found emaciated and extremely malnourished from their vegan diets, PCRM’s president insisted that “vegan diets are not only good for kids, it’s a preferable diet for kids.”

>>12248687
I believe that it is morally wrong to kill innocent animals and I care about the environment.

>>12256279
No, she's just lacking in certain nutrients and can still be able to continue her vegan lifestyle. She needs more protein, that's it.

>>12258942
What they don't tell you is that 100 calories of broccoli means like a fucking dumprtruck of broccoli. I'm not eating a dumptruck of broccoli every day to get my protein, thanks.

>>12258969
You are obviously not doing Veganism right.

>>12259086
He looks like he's ate too much carbs.

There's a lot of benefits to eating less meat in general: health, environment, etc. I've eaten enough fast food in my life that going vegetarian for a while could probably do some good. I'm slowly making my way there, but I don't know enough information-wise to keep a balanced nutrition from just a vegetarian diet. I'd probably need to learn a lot more recipes. I cut out beef and pork but I still eat fish and chicken/turkey. If I went full vegetarian, would I have to take supplements to get enough vitamins or w/e?

>>12248722
None of that is true

>>12248713
>I eat vegan because lentils and vegetables are cheaper than meat.

this

they're also objectively healthier as the longest living populations on the planet incorporate legumes and low meat intake in their diets

i would still eat a steak and fish if given the opportunity, tastes good

>>12253082
>thanks to Monsanto GMO farming

Ok we are done here. No need to continue talking to this tard he is too far gone, brainwashed by radical vegan and anti GMO propaganda. Sorry kid but your little articles and studies aren’t real.

>>12260216
>Monsanto shill.

You should be forced to be vegan.

>>12260168
>they're also objectively healthier as the longest living populations on the planet incorporate legumes and low meat intake in their diets

lol the longest living population are Spain and Hong Kong, both of which countries eat a lot of meat.

>I'm vegan and I eat meat
>Just pick up my subtle pro-vegan message goys...

>>12260216
>megacorporate, unsustainable scorched earth farming
>the soil is dead and functions solely as an anchor for roots to receive petroleum based chemical fertilizers, carcinogenic broad spectrum herbicides and pesticides
>monsanto dindu 'nuffin
Enjoy paying off your millions in lawsuit judgements, shill. 2 have been decided against you for 100's of millions - only 1200 more to go!

>>12256344
>Veganism is a lifestyle change
Yeah, I think you need to make up your mind you mentally ill carnist. One minute a meal isn't vegan unless the person eating that meal has abstained from all animal products for the last 777 lunar cycles. The next minute a single meal that comes from a vegetarian restaurant (n.b. not even full vegan) will make you immediately DIE of B12 deficiency.

Why are carnists so fucked in the head?

>>12252599
Yes just to make your faggot ass seethe

>>12260673
now that's rent-free right there.

>>12260684
Veganism is literally a seething cult.
The entire vegan movement is about raging over what other people eat.

>>12260602
Perfect example.

>>12260701
>I ate fresh fruit for breakfast
>now I'm a vegan
>I ate a chicken sandwich yesterday
>I'm now a "hypocrite vegan" because I had fruit for breakfast today
Carnism in a nutshell

>>12260717
I have been accused of veganism here for insulting people who eat McDonalds

>>12260717
>Using the term "carnism"

Spotted the vegan. Are you even trying?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rieOahGXUU:
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6JBICT9OQ4

>>12261388
Face it and embrace it, you're nothing but a blood lusting carnist.

>>12252571
>t. parasite infested, malnourished faggot

>>12261403
yeah
so

>>12261388
>a woman ages 10 years in 10 years
Have sex

>>12260497
>lol the longest living population are Spain and Hong Kong, both of which countries eat a lot of meat.
lol nope
get off carnivore/keto youtube vlogs and read some actual medical journals

>>12248687

To be healthy and obtain balanced nutrition without hurting animals or participating in the industries supporting them.

It can be for any reason.

Women tend to be more into trends or it could be empathy or both.