/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>12193323
not a vegan and don't have any friends who are, but have had colleagues in the past and from my experience it varies from individual to individual

some have a moral conflict with it, some don't

>>12193323
Not veg/veeg but I think this is a dumb debate. I think now sone vegans might have to swear off avocados since some places have to hire bee keepers to come in and help pollinate crops.

It's a symbiotic relationship. Last I checked, bee keepers essentially offer access to protected housing and supply of flowers for food. Keepers then take a portion of the honey, but not enough to leave the hive hungry. I could see the argument if the bees aren't properly cared for and keepers take more than they should, but otherwise seems like they are splitting hairs at that point.

Just offer some type of dressing without honey so you can keep getting money from those who won't eat honey.

>>12193323
Vegans are retarded, who cares

>>12193323
I went through this debate when I first went vegan for 2 years. Ultimately, if the decision whether or not to use honey is based on animal and environmental welfare, honey is probably the best sweetener to use. Things like agave and white, granulated sugar use up much more resources from their water-hungry plants, and bees and their broder ecosystem seem to generally benefit from the production of honey. From a vegan perspective, honey should really be promoted as a responsible animal product.

Not a vegan, but a 5 year beekeeper here.

Bees and their beekeepers are now in the position of a symbiotic relationship, where the bees are now under a constant threat of Colony Collapse Disorder, varroa destructor, American Foulbrood, and mammalian predators. The beekeeper is in a position of being able to ward off most, if not all of these threats to the hive, and in return the bees relinquish their surplus honey to the beekeeper.
The debate in question would be, is the transaction between bees and beekeeper fair?
Vegans view humans in a place of power over animals (which we are) and whenever we take flesh from an animal or take something the animal produces without its consent, it’s a bad thing.
As a beekeeper I’m obviously biased, but I believe that by ensuring continued colony survival and only taking as much honey as I would comfortably need rather than robbing the bees dry, the transaction is fair.

veganism is a mental illness. it has no logic or consistency. just like each schizophrenic's delusions are different, each vegan's list of what is acceptable is different.

>>12193354
Honey is a direct animal product. Not some meme shit about pollination you watched from a buzzfeed video

>>12193323
>vegans who come for the most part are fine with eating honey,
Those are not vegan.

Also, the geniuses that decide these things decided to use ONE same species for honey production all over the globe, massively inflating their population and their share of the space and resources. Local bee species and other nectar dependent animals are crowded out, and, in turn, the local plant species that rely on local pollinators suffer as well.
Now, the monolithic global population is vulnerable to deadly diseases, parasites, virus, disorder, etc.

>>12193980
>no animal products

>THIS IS NOT CONSISTENT I AM ANGRY INCEL

>>12194000
>Meme shit
I literally live 15 minutes away from a honey place that offers pollination services. What do you mean by meme shit?

>>12194006
Habitat destruction and overuse of chemicals has resulted in the decline of native pollinators, not honeybees "crowding them out."

>>12194079
I've read it cited as a factor. Obviously there are many other factors.

>>12193443
>honey is probably the best sweetener to use
It's the concentrated sugar source with the most beneficial compounds in it ... but I'd say most (nearly) non caloric sweeteners are still better for you on balance.

>>12194007
t. seething, mentally deranged, vegan, tranny.

>>12193354
>dumb debate
That's pretty much every debate with/among vegans.

>>12193962
How does one become a beekeeper? Sounds like a comfy job/hobby.

>>12194177
Just bee yourself :)

>>12193323
>vegan
>wants to help
choose one

>>12194006
Because there's is one species of bee that actually produces honey

Vegans would be alright with bees going extinct and parts of our agricultural sector collapsing just to stop people from using honey

>>12194177
Step 1. Have a place where you can keep bees (legally)
Step 2. Read about bees. How to take care of them, brood cycles, when to harvest, etc.
Step 3. Acquire or build equipment
>>12194192
Unironically this

>>12194006
Honeybees are not a monoculture you retard. There’s at least 10 different species of honeybees that humans have raised for honey, all of them with advantages and disadvantages over the other.

>>12194177
My neighbor and I each started a hive last year. Joined the nearest local bee association which give timely presentations monthly on how you should be caring for them and made contact with an old black guy near us who has been keeping bees for 20+ years who has been mentoring us. Also found people to buy a nuke (initial colony) from. Read shit on the internet and watch youtubes. It's not that tough and pretty rewarding really. But be prepared to expand because if the hive starts getting too crowded, they'll produce a swarm queen who will take part of the hive to a nearby tree or bush and you can brush them into a brood box and establish another hive. Locally produced honey commands a premium price since so much of the grocery honey is fakeass chink shit and you can sell it either over the internet or at farmers markets if you get enough hives going.

>>12194233
Why lie?
>>12194286
Really? I thought apis mellifera was the only one used commercially.

>>12194000
>reading comprehension

>>12193962
Thanks for helpin the bees fren.