/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>12124985
Not a damn thing. Wish /pol/ would stop memeing that meme.

>>12124985
They were marketed as healthy even though traditionally they weren't considered food, people didn't even want to feed them to animals. Now the news is out that they contain estrogen mimickers and anti nutrients which block the absorption of essential nutrients.

>>12125001
Open wide based boy

>>12124985
nothing, but China's retaliatory tariff on them sure fucked American farmers
trade wars good, MAGA indeed

>>12124985
Glycophosphate

>>12125012
Look at this retard, lol.

>>12125012
Tinfoil hat/10, nice made-up fake sciencey words.

>>12125012
aren't tofu, soy sauce, onions sprouts used from the dawn of time in china, japan and korea?

>>12125038
You won't be so rude when you need help opening a bottle

>>12124985
Nothing. Soy doesnt "feminize" you like /pol/ and /fit/ claim it does.
>"b-b-but (insert name here) ate soy and became a tranny!"
Confirmation bias, they were always fucked in the head, the soy had nothing to do with it.

>>12124985
Nothing, but food substitutes attract the worst kind of people... modern ones

>>12125043
They're fermented, or heavily processed, they weren't eating straight up beans. OP asked about the beans not processed products.

>>12125035
thats an amerifat problem. glycophosphates are in every legume and fruit where its use isn't banned.

>>12125043
>>12125058
And sprouts have different compounds due to enzymatic changes, not traditional processing but helps negate much of the negative effects

>>12125067
Please cite your source for the negative effects.

>>12125046
my mother got a bottle of that shit a while back on a whim.
when she showed me i broke out laughing then i asked her to open it and she actually did have a little trouble.
moral of the story; faggots make me sick to my stomach and over-representation of a people in the US should be stopped before the minorities ruin the country that allows them to exist unlike ANYWHERE else in the world that isn't full of shitskins and degenerate faggots.
why don't these fucking soifags go advocate for diversity in africa or east asia? because it doesn't suit their agenda of destroying the US.

>>12125081
screencap this before i'm banned for racism and have to report 300 separate posts and threads for using the same words as me that have been up and not banned.

>>12124985
soi causes production of estrogen.
proven scientific fact.

Nothing when grow naturally. Thing is, all the soy we consume, be it from soy sauce or cooking oil, has been tampered with.

>>12125097
you hinting at GMO in general or more specific?

>>12125046
>>12125067
Look at these retards, lol.

>>12125096
Look at this retard, lol.

Isn't most soybean production heavily processed at this point? At least in the west it's in pretty much everything.

>>12125055
It can have an effect on you, but not anything near a transition. Drinking soy milk on a regular basis can make your pecs and nipples sore and puffy, but not much else.

>>12125081
every day i thank the lord i wasn't born an american retard who LARPs as a white, whatever the fuck that is, and uses it to justify his insane hatred of other people just as fat and stupid as him while ignoring the fact that he's a degenerate fat retard posting on a anime pedophile faggot board with a thin veneer of cooking

>>12125118
Double that with inhibiting protein absorption and you're on the fast track to being a weak effeminate male, or colloquially a soi boi.

>>12124985
Soy tastes disgusting and even when it doesn't it still makes me feel nauseous after I eat it, in all its forms.
I don't care about eating it ever again.

>>12125145
Neither of those are true. If they are you'll have to prove it.

>>12125043
Aren't China, Japan and Korea filled with malnourished manlet insect people?

>>12125058
>what is natto
>what is edamame
Fresh soybeans are a thing, boyo.

>>12125137

>>12125145
read something other than /pol/ threads anon

>>12124985

They are full of good protein and therefore to protect themselves against being eaten are armed to the nonexistant teeth with defense substances. Phytoestrogens to make the animals that eat them infertile, antinutrients that bind the nutrients to make the material less digestible... they REALLY don't want to be eaten. In animal tests it makes the thymus shrink, it makes kids who consume it in large amounts more timid and submissive, etc.
There's a reason why in Asia the thing aside from soy sauce never was used for human consumption- without extruding it cannot even be used for animal feeding...

>>12125012
you retard, they've been eating soy in all kinds of forms for ages in asia.

>>12125324
Phytoestrogens and Disease: http://tinyurl com/hfxu23q
Phytoestrogens and Heart Disease: http://tinyurl com/zg2nh7a
Phytoestrogen and Kidney Disease: http://tinyurl com/jtwyanb
High soy can result in 59% less breast cancer study: http://tinyurl com/j8ywsra
Soy yields 13% lower LDL/Bad Cholesterol Study: http://tinyurl com/hhf4weq
Soy and Men Hormones Study: http://tinyurl com/hsu4wqk
Meta-analysis on men, soy and phytoestrogen extracts: http://tinyurl com/ja5s9k2 30-50% of men get manboobs: http://tinyurl com/zb58cbs
Phytoestrogen content of various foods: http://tinyurl com/z3kpvsw 220 women over 2 years soy study: http://tinyurl com/z4tbb7d
Meta-analysis on 47 studies no estrogen change: http://tinyurl com/hsm6ctb Soy Men
Review/Final Quote on
Soy being fine for men: http://tinyurl com/zwddamh

Think of it this way: An estrogen molecule is like a jumbo jet that attaches to the Jetway of an airport. It discharges passengers into the terminal, which is suddenly a busy, noisy place. Phytoestrogens, being weak estrogens, are like small, private planes with few passengers and no cargo, yet they still occupy the Jetway after landing. When phytoestrogens occupy the cell, normal estrogens cannot. Plant estrogens do not eliminate all of estrogen's effects, but they do minimize them, apparently reducing breast cancer risk and menstrual symptoms

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>>12125324

>>12125058
>we dont eat the beans, we just eat the stuff made from the beans
>we don't eat chickens, we just eat stuff made from chicken

>>12125453
This guy thinks bread and vodka are the same thing

>>12125343
>>12125043
>>12125267
what's your point? asian males are literally the closest to females

>>12125274
Edamame is fine, but natto is very much fermented

>>12125042
phytates, oxalates, goitrogens, etc. google is your friend.

>>12125505
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antinutrient
Antinutrients are common in all types of food and also are more common in meat and dairy (see biomagnefication).
Guess we'll just stick to eating bark and leaves. Moron.

>>12125505
That doesn't account for what happens after you look this shit up on Google. Everything you listed is not a concern to anyone with a healthy diet. Goitrogens literally require an iodine deficiency on top of massive overconsumption, and phytates and oxalates become insoluable when combined with magnesium and calcium, both of which are abundant in the types of foods where phytates and oxalates are most commonly found (such as kale, chard, and spinach).

Stop talking garbage, please.

>>12125551
No. Eat raw meat pussy.

>>12125577
Look at this beta male soy

>>12125505
google is no body's friend, dipshit

>>12125577
>phytates and oxalates become insoluable when combined with magnesium and calcium
that's a bad thing because it gives you kidney stones

>>12125589
>when shitty /pol/ antiscience doesn't work it's time for names!

>>12125597
Boil your spinach if you're predisposed to them or are generally unhealthy, but again for the majority of the population this is a non-existent concern.

>>12125589
so... no difference.

>>12125480
This coming from an obese nerd with double d tits

>>12124985
Give me stomach cramps, and I hate that they're in fucking everything.
>Mmm, I'll just tuck right in to this nice sandwich... oh no, soya! My virgin arsehole!
Fuck soya, it's a dirty bean for dirty people.

>>12125577
>unhealthy things are only unhealthy when you're unhealthy
wow yeah right up until you're not healthy anymore but sure otherwise everyone can consume bad things in moderation

>>12125058
Bull fucking shit. It can and has been eaten as is and it's also a common soup stock in asia.

>>12124985
Nothing. It's just a type of food. Retards are so damn scared of its association with certain sub-cultures that they avoid a type of food, ironically making them no different from those they're trying to avoid.

>>12125001
>s-stop c-calling me a soyboy
>y-you're /p-/pol/ if you dare insult my soylent!

>>12125012
>anti nutrients which block absorbtion of nutrient
Every bean on this planet has lectins, they aren't special to soybeans

tempeh is delicious though, I aint even a vegan.

>>12125001
Sit down and shadap.

>>12125137
>niggers
>people

>>12125551
>help you eat food without actually processing it so you don't gain weight
WTF?
So those so-called evil antinutrients were super based all along?

>>12127320
you should try these things called laxatives, they also help you not gain weight

>>12125274
Natto is so fermented that tons of people can't stand the smell.

>>12125058
Is anyone straight up eating the beans? It seems like everyone is eating processed or fermented stuff.

>>12124985
They produce to many because there are to many subsides

>>12127430
>Is anyone straight up eating the beans?
Yes, edamame (young soy beans), but you can also buy dried mature soybeans kinda like you would black beans, as well as roasted edamame and roasted soybeans usually branded as soynuts

>>12126013
why do peanuts have high estrogenic activity but not other nuts? wtf

>>12127491
they're technically a legume

>>12124985
It's a bland filler used in every fucking thing.
Fuck it, it tastes like poverty.
Fuck the poor.

>>12127491
Peanuts aren't actually nuts.
They're not peas either.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21353476

>...sudden onset of loss of libido and erectile dysfunction after the ingestion of large quantities of soy-based products in a vegan-style diet.

>>12128640
>it happened to one obese boomer
>well, that proves it!
This is your brain on infowars.

Reminder that 93% of soy grown in the US is genetically modified

>>12125779
>imagine being this insecure about something as trivial as the levels of hormones in your body
>imagine being so easily influenced that you even care in the first place

>>12127430
I am. They're as nice as any other bean.

>>12128640
>study size of 1
>hearsay/case
Wow you really proved it!

>>12130271
>Imagine defending soy simply because you hate the people who criticize it

>>12130729
Not him but the studies are individual on NCBI. You realize that

Also
>study
>hearsay

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18558591
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18650557

>>12124985
Nothing. Just making sure gullible incels die early from bad diets.

>>12125580
I didn't eat meat for the past few weeks and have been struggling with energy issues. Then last night I had some liverwurst on bread and I woke up multiple times throughout the night with a pants-ripping erection. Like it actually was preventing me from sleeping. I don't know much about science except that scientists are mostly gay low-T nerds and stacked dudes at the gym seem to eat a lot of meat, that's good enough for me.

>>12124985
poor for a complete diet, but a nice on side of food

as a drink also very poor considering the other alternative options, like oat drink

it fucks up the land, watch documentary "Soyalism" NOW

>>12131538
>study done in men already at an infertility clinic due to low semen - data set used is a fraction of them to provide evidence
Wow, it's almost like you could take 4-5 samples with that amount and find numbers!
>study
>one person
>no actual data, just a case
Phytoestrogens and Disease: http://tinyurl com/hfxu23q
Phytoestrogens and Heart Disease: http://tinyurl com/zg2nh7a
Phytoestrogen and Kidney Disease: http://tinyurl com/jtwyanb
High soy can result in 59% less breast cancer study: http://tinyurl com/j8ywsra
Soy yields 13% lower LDL/Bad Cholesterol Study: http://tinyurl com/hhf4weq
Soy and Men Hormones Study: http://tinyurl com/hsu4wqk
Meta-analysis on men, soy and phytoestrogen extracts: http://tinyurl com/ja5s9k2 30-50% of men get manboobs: http://tinyurl com/zb58cbs
Phytoestrogen content of various foods: http://tinyurl com/z3kpvsw 220 women over 2 years soy study: http://tinyurl com/z4tbb7d
Meta-analysis on 47 studies no estrogen change: http://tinyurl com/hsm6ctb Soy Men
Review/Final Quote on
Soy being fine for men: http://tinyurl com/zwddamh

>>12133144
>Soyalism
kek, can think about a few good ideas for documentaries with the same title

>>12125001
haha foolish earthling, we control the markets now

>>12133146
>that phoneposting
>those broken soy link
>that inability to use 4chan

Yep. It's a soy casualty alright.

>>12124985
There's nothing wrong with soy. It's mostly used for animal feed, and useful as a rotated crop for soil. Mapo tofu is also pretty good. Haven't had that in a few years though. Through the food chain, you're probably consuming more of those estrogens through meat anyway, kind of like mercury the higher up the seafood chain you go.

>>12130271

>trivial
>hormones

I bet you think gender is a social construct, too, don't you faggot?

>>12125343
And asian man are big, strong and masculine, because ...

Ooopsie!

>>12133339
As opposed to a numale, skeleton, pudgy, skinnyfat, or lardass that makes up a good 70% of our population now?

>>12124985
>soy has estrogen and will give you boobs

ah yes, which is why soy-reliant Asians are famously stacked and milk drinking western europeans are flat as a board.

>>12133322
>faggot
>Coming from a namefag who posts animu.
Irony.

>>12126013
Shit, I made this and lost it. Thanks mate. I thought it was gone to the void.

>>12125032
Ripping the band-aid off beats getting foreverially fucked in the ass.

>>12133348
Are you implying asian men aren't feminine? Black women have big asses and tits and they are high test.

>>12133339
You're forgetting, the samurai were arguably the greatest warriors in the history of man. They forced the lice ridden carnist Portuguese to stay confined to the ghettos of Nagasaki along with the other untouchables. Furthermore, it took the combined effort of the entire world and nuclear weapons (the most pussified form of warfare ever invented) to defeat the nips in WWII. The west could use a heaping helping of that level of mascilinity.

>>12133146
Ingesting large amounts of soy regularly also led to healthy teenage boys having lower serum testosterone.
I don't have a copy pasta ready because I'm not that heavily invested. I mostly think it's a funny meme. But I can find the study if you're still here and would like.

>>12126013
>>12127491
>>12128500
Fuck, I always eat peanuts

>>12133278
Untrue, isoflavones do not end up in the animal tissues we ingest.
Also, see: >>12126013

Even if I'm not totally sold on the soy meme, using the meat counterargument is just ill informed.

>>12133510
Look at the amount. Soy has orders of magnitude more, and unless you ingest Soylent everyday, even soy shouldn't be worth worrying about much.

>>12125137
Shut up, shitskin. No one cares.

>>12124985
>dad's a nip
>grew up eating lots of asian food
>all brothers hated jap food except me because weeb
>end up short and feminine looking
>all brothers are taller and have more facial hair than me
I want to believe I just got shafted in genetics rather then bringing this upon myself

>>12124985
nothing. It's MSG-scare 2.0.

>>12125833
They are usually mostly disabled by cooking, the anti-nutrients in soy need something like 170 degrees C to denature AFAIR.

This is Rob Rhinehart, president of Soylent. Behold him and behold his soy tits.

>>12126013
Soy lecithin is used in trace amounts, compared to say using soy sauce occasionally it's not even relevant.

>>12125324
You seriously expect me to believe a plant would evolve a defense mechanism to specifically make animals infertile upon consumption of it?

>>12133602
Today is when anon learns how to read an ingredients list.

The ingredients on packaging are listed (because they must be by law) in order from highest amount to the lowest. Even if you ignore the amount of soy protein in the item listed, which you did, lecithin is still one of the most prevalent ingredients in that food.

>>12133613
Why are incels so fucking stupid?

>>12133619
You tell me, with your inability to understand your own out-of-context post.

>A 60-year-old man was referred to the endocrinology clinic for evaluation of bilateral gynecomastia of 6 months' duration. He reported erectile dysfunction and decreased libido. On further review of systems, he reported no changes in testicular size, no history of testicular trauma, no sexually transmitted diseases, no headaches, no visual changes, and no change in muscular mass or strength. Initial laboratory assessment showed estrone and estradiol concentrations to be 4-fold increased above the upper limit of the reference range. Subsequent findings from testicular ultrasonography; computed tomography of the chest, abdomen, and pelvis; and positron emission tomography were normal. Because of the normal findings from the imaging evaluation, the patient was interviewed again, and he described a daily intake of 3 quarts of soy milk. After he discontinued drinking soy milk, his breast tenderness resolved and his estradiol concentration slowly returned to normal.

>>12133627
There is nothing out of context from what I just posted

>muh single case study!!
Thanks for sharing! All I have to do is avoid drinking 3 quarts of soy juice a day

>>12133609
Not him but.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18650557

>High isoflavone intake has been related to decreased fertility in animal studies, but data in humans are scarce. Thus, we examined the association of soy foods and isoflavones intake with semen quality parameters.
>here was an inverse association between soy food intake and sperm concentration that remained significant after accounting for age, abstinence time, body mass index, caffeine and alcohol intake and smoking. In the multivariate-adjusted analyses, men in the highest category of soy food intake had 41 million sperm/ml less than men who did not consume soy foods (95% confidence interval = -74, -8; P, trend = 0.02).
>CONCLUSIONS:
These data suggest that higher intake of soy foods and soy isoflavones is associated with lower sperm concentration.

>>12133643
You in particular need to keep your soy intake as high as possible. There's nothing wrong with it and plant estrogens are good for you! You need to be a beacon to the world to prove that taking in assloads of estrogen will not make you even gayer than you already are now.

Unless you're a soybean farmer, why do you care?

>>12133671
Yikes. Is that the wittiest thing incels can offer?

>>12133647
“Lower concentration”

>>12133693
You keep using that word. I don't think you know what it means, soybitch.

>>12133693
>>12133619
>le incel
You could save yourself some keystrokes and just put "reddit" in the name field.

>>12133710
Its you, fat fuck

>>12133744
Awww another little triggered incel bitch? Such a fat incel bitch

>>12133146
you are the biggest faggot on 4channel
stop posting that cringe basedboy

>>12133771
Why are polnigger incels such easily triggered fat fucks?

>>12125001
S o y makes you less masculine, fact.

>>12133763
You sound mad. There's no need to get upset just because we know where you came from.

>>12133797
Because they hate their life.

>>12133797
you are shitting up this board and I assume others trying to "trigger" imaginary "polniggers" for a sizeable amount of time per day, meanwhile only ending up making a fool of yourself
You should stop
faggot

>>12133797
>>12133823

It's a meme. The joke is that effeminatemen eat s*y, so it must be why they're so effeminate. You may as well be arguing whether "numales" are literally a new version of males.

>>12133827
lol, nice cope. Maybe do something with your life instead of crying about things you don't like so actively.

>>12133820
>>12133826
>>12133827
>>s-stop being right!!

>the absolute state of these buttblasted polincels

>>12133865
I'm not the one crying about an outdated internet meme, mate.

>>12133877
lol, you're come backs are pathetic. Go post some soi wojaks so no one can laugh at them.

>>12133887
I'm not hurling insults because I'm not throwing a tantrum, nor have I posted any wojaks. I'm just stating facts.

>>12125001
>tripcode

>>12133504
I like people to actually back up their claims so yeah

>>12133873

not really, they only need to continue the cycle, soy will continue to be a meme for as long as it has energy and it gains that energy also through your rejection of it. kind of like donald trump.

>>12133873
Do I smell the dilated flesh wound of a discord tranny?

>>12134021
You just don’t clean your upper lip

>>12133771
>ur cringe cuz u called my science here another soyface i got from lereddet haha xD
You're such a faggot.

>>12133815
Why do you polnigger incels out yourself so easily and not notice soy isn’t filtered here?

Soy8 has been proven over and over again that it feminizes men, wreaks havoc on women's development (especially at a young age), significantly increases breast cancer in women and dramatically lowers male fertility.

>>12134067
Probably because it's loaded with plant estrogens.

>>12133981
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15735098

I misremembered, it was young men, not teens.

>>12134088
In which the pro estrogen effects are nonexistent and offset by fiber consumption

>>12134098
You misremembered a lot, the only relevance is “relative to MPI”

>>12134121
>In conclusion, soy protein, regardless of isoflavone content, decreased DHT and DHT/testosterone with minor effects on other hormones, providing evidence for some effects of soy protein on hormones.
How is that not relevant?

>>12134121
Why is your picture supporting the poeple o. The other side of the argument? Are you actually reading any of this stuff?

>>12134149
So it does NOT decrease serum testosterone correct? Tell me what you think DHT even functions as

>>12134164
I don’t speak incel, try saying something comprehensible

>>12124985
Soybeans sales plummeted because Trump started a trade war with China, who buys 90% of our soybean crop. The rest of the world scrambled over each other to suck China's dick and offer them their soybean crops at a lower price than the US without the tariffs. So now an entire industry in the US is in jeopardy and welfare queens (aka farmers) are getting subsidized out the ass because of Trump's retardation.
Now for the other part of "soybeans have estrogen!" >>12125012
Soybeans do not have estrogen, they have phytoestrogens. Phytoestrogens are not the same as human estrogen found in women, estradiol. Phytoestrogens have no effect on you whatsoever, unless you're secretly a plant-person. Estradiol would have an effect on you, but soybeans don't contain estradiol because they are plants, not humans.
Being worried about phytoestrogens giving you tits because it's "plant estrogen" is like being worried about pollen impregnating your wife because it's "plant semen."

>>12134121
You know what? You enjoy your soy and share it with all the rest of the LGBT trannies.

>>12134243
>plant semen analogy

>>12134304
You've conceded that you have no arguments? You've been BTFO? Because that's what you're conveying with your crybaby namecalling.
You've been destroyed. Feel free to kill yourself.

>>12124985
Sales plummeted cuz trumpo had to have his little tariff war, now the biggest customers for soybeans, like china, wont touch em. But yeah, texas, whose biggest export is . . . SOYBEANS . . . you keep electing those republicans.

>theyre really lookin out for ya, hoss

>>12134243
That's a little oversimplified, though; there ARE phytoestrogens in plants that can bind to estrogen receptors as agonists, though they're often not as estrogenic.

>>12134304
DAAAW twiggered polnigger incel

Make Your Mother’s Basement Great Again

Take a fucking shower

>>12134121
>muh single case study

>>12124985
Anyone ignoring the mountains of evidence is just exercising shameful amounts of cognitive dissonance at this point.

>>12134329
China can't hold out forever. They need us more than we need them.

>>12134404
>drumpfkins don’t understand the difference between a single case study and a meta analysis of multivaried controlled experiments
Oof

>>12134410
>mountains of shitty facebook infographs
Lol

>>12125580
what about raw pusy meat