/ck/ - Food & Cooking

Op can't inb4

No because to an autist like me, "organic" literally means edible. Why would you have to call your food that? Are you saying non-organic food is artificial? Sorry can't get over it.

>eating food that bugs won't eat

In b4 some vegan says bugs are vegan

>>11845628
What is usually meant by organic is that it is supposed to be pesticides-free, or hormones-free etc.

>>11845607
Walk in parents garden in september, pick an apple and eat it; Thats organic
Shit you buy in supermarkets you have no idea, they might label it as organic, but we never know.

>>11845647
>pesticides-free
Got some bad news for you, friendo.

>>11845652
USDA has strict guidelines for their USDA Certified Organic labels. Selling falsely labeled products can result in an $11k fine per infraction.
I have no doubts that USDA organic is actually organic, it's just a retarded marketing ploy.

I think about 75% of the food I buy is organic, the rest is not because it comes from the turkish or asian market and I don't think they're super interested in the organic niche
It is a bit more costly than your usual non-organic food, but not by much

>>11845647
Yeah I get that meaning. But it feels like marketing mostly, all food needs some kind of preparation. Also if there's no money being used to make it artificial, why is it more expensive when it should be cheaper by that logic.

I buy organic salad and quinoa at Walmart because it's randomly cheaper than the regular stuff

>>11845707
>some kind of preparation
We're not talking about how to prepare food but how the food grows.

And it's more costly because the reason most people use pesticides is that it kills... pests. So harvests are actually bigger. Organic fielss have less yield than non-organic ones and are more prone to sicknesses, making them rarer and more expensive.

>>11845733
add onto it that people buy into this garbage and are willing to pay any price for products that have the organic seal of approval. Hence the price goes up even further

>>11845744
Yeah, in France most stores artificially makes the prices go up. It's not just because of the "organic craze", most companies just want to milk you dry because you want to make healthier choices

Short answer: No
Long answer: Eating organic food while not having your sugar, salt, and cholesterol, followed distantly by micronutrients, in order, while extolling the vague benefits of organic food, means you're an ignorant fad following faggot who is playing pretend in order to be trendy.

If you' are one of the 1% of people that do have these things in order, then eating organic may very well be the next logical step in enhancing your nutrition.

>>11845765
>you want to make healthier choices
This is why they're able to raise the price so much. There is no discernible health differences between organic and non-organic products. People buy into this mentality that organic == healthier and will pay any price for that.

>>11845782
Well I'm pretty sure that eating vegetables that have not been bathed in fongicides is actually healthier for you.
In terms of nutrients there might be no differences but its the chemicals used in the phytoproducts that build up in you body that are bad

>>11845793
Give me peer-reviewed sources for that.
Also, Organic food still uses fungicides, pesticides, insecticides, they're just slightly different from the ones used in non-organic farming.

I keep all produce organic and all dairy grass-fed. As much as possible get wild caught/home grown or hunted/small farms meat & fish. After some autoimmune issues popped up I do what I can to reduce injesting pesticides etc.

>>11845808
>i base my judgement about all organic foods based on the way scorched earth monoculture megacorporations do it
Retard, grow up.

>>11845808
Come on anon you can google that and find the sources yourself, I won't spoon-feed you. Also you can search for the cocktail effect which is the common term used to describe the build up of chemicals in your body. I'm not saying eat one non-organic apple and get cancer, but that build up over time is a real thing.

But I do agree with you that natural stuff used in organic farming is not good for you at all. Natural phytoproducts =/= good

>>11845835
>i base my judgement about monsanto on facebook memes that my aunt shares.
Ok, thanks friendo.
>>11845848
I have googled it, what you're saying has absolutely no evidence to back it up. If there were I definitely would be more concerned about the products I'm buying.

>>11845862
yeah ok i think i'm done answering to a retard that can't research.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/284722375_The_risk_of_chemical_cocktail_effects_and_how_to_deal_with_the_issue
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laneur/article/PIIS1474-4422(13)70278-3/fulltext

>>11845647
>pesticides-free
[X]DOUBT

>>11845898
Did you even read these papers? The first one deals with non-ag related chemical exposure.
The second one, the only chemicals that are ag-related are DDT (Banned for nearly 50 years) and chlorpyrifos.
The organic alternatives to chlorpyrifos are copper sulfate and pyrethrum, both of which have far worse acute and longterm toxicity.
So again, I'm waiting for actual research that backs up your claims, not ones that further prove how wrong you are.

>>11845607
Occasionally, mostly meat and mostly because of animal treatment. You don't strictly need organic certification to treat the animals better, but farmers who do so tend to just go the extra mile and get organic certification too.

Wish organic went a little further, they should really mandate natural procreation and on-site butchering.

>>11846158
>on-site butchering
USDA requires an on-site FSIS inspection personnel for any slaughtering to be done.
There would have to been 10x more personnel if farmers wanted to butcher and sell their own animals.
You can buy directly from farmers though if you so choose to. Something about 'freezer-meat' exceptions...

>>11846158
>they should really mandate natural procreation
Lol, RIP to American beef

>>11846178
>USDA requires an on-site FSIS inspection personnel for any slaughtering to be done.
The solution is to simply have mobile butchering stations in a truck. The inspection can still happen centralized at the dispatch.

These already exist.

>>11846206
I didn't know something like that already existed. That's pretty cool

>>11845647
I sell organic pesticides for a living you would not believe how often they are pulled from shelves for straight up lying on the labels

>>11845782
>discernible health differences
… Are plausibly based on getting full nutrition for properly metabolizing various compounds.

Even 5x (300mg) the RDA of vitamin C has been evidenced as non-effective for QoL; omega 3s are benefiting telomere lengths; etc.

>>11846323

>>11846051
Some of the pesticides that are banned in the US, are widely used elsewhere. Elsewhere being a country we import produce from.
I’m not the other guy who gave you actual sources though.

>>11845770
Muh cholesterol
Muh pesticides are fine
Muh reddit opinion

Last bt not least
>>11845808
MUH PEER REVIEWED STUDIES


Fucking holocaust the normies

>>11845862
MUH NEED A (((STUDY))) TO TELL ME PESTICIDES ARE OK

You are t. gets prostate cancer at 65
Literally kys yourself

Other than meals at restaurants, and minor things like ketchup, salsa, etc - everything I eat is organic. I have no idea if it’s made a difference to my overall health, but I do think there will be benifts long term.
It’s more expensive to eat this way, but if you take the time to source your food it’s not a huge cost jump.
Also, I enjoy being smug and looking down my nose at the commoners who eat shit food, so that’s a bonus.

Organic is an expensive certification these days that is indicative of very little. Find a small farmer in your area and sign up for a csa you’ll never look back.

>>11846158
There's both organic and non organic cattle on the farm I work. They can be separated by only a fence at times, only the organic ones don't get a deworming drench.

>>11846654
>prostate cancer
Isn't it like, 90% of men over a certain age will develop prostate cancer. Usually people die well before it becomes a problem.
Also, you can keep buying organic. We know (((who))) you're actually helping. Just try and be a little less braindead and search for answers outside of pinterest.

>>11845607
>How many of you guys eat organic food?
Are you Silicoid or what?

>>11845607
I only go for organic eggs, because those don’t splinter into dozens of little shards as often.

>>11848451
>accepting that one small group of your animals might get worms and not thrive but knowing some rich fag will pay a premium for them

I swear anti vaxers would pay a tax if you proposed it too

>>11845628
>"organic" literally means edible
That's not remotely correct.

I buy organic cilantro and parsley because the regular cilantro and parsley always looks like shit. I ring it up at the self checkout as regular, though, because I'm not an idiot.

organic produce is a scam but it keeps me employed because it gets marked up at several times the going rate for conventional foods, also the way it gets shipped from the coasts toward the inner united states is so unbelievably wasteful, i can guarantee it does more harm to the earth simply by existing

>>11845647
That's also wrong

>>11845652
Anything that contains a Carbon - Carbon covalent bond is organic

>>11849078
So methane is not organic?

"Organic" foods is not only about your personal health. Huge monocultures using lots of pesticides makes the earth sterile over time (poorer soil, less biodiversity).
Also labels are not always to be trusted, inform yourself about the conditions required to get the said label.

>>11848495
Are you saying you’ll already be dead when you develop protate cancer?
>American education

The EU has banned many pesticides that are used in the US. Your government hates you, but loves your money. How much of your gdp is healthcare again?

>>11845862
Ur dumb

>>11849234
Organic foods are also a privilege of the rich, and provide absolutely no way to meet the demand of the world's population. They require far more land than intensive methods.

I understand choosing organics coming from the perspective of potential, unproven health benefits, not from environmental ones.

>>11849323
>not from environmental ones
Those benefits are even greater than any possible health benefits. Maybe you don’t know much about ag.

http://time.com/4871915/health-benefits-organic-food/

Here’s one I was reading the other day OP. There are citations in the article to peer reviewed papers.

>>11849323
The problem is also that a LOT of crops are directed to meat production. We could theoretically eat all organic if we didn't eat as much meat as we do now.

>not from environmental ones
What? Of course it has environmental proven benefits just see what happens when you spray pesticides, how it penetrates groundwaters and pollutes rivers. It is a matter of health for you and the planet and there's literally no reason to not encourage the widespread use of organic food

>>11848807
>thrive
They yield less. They all have worms, the medicines just suppresses the levels (also vital for human use by the way, so accelerating resistance spread for yield might not be the smartest thing to do).

The main point of organic is that the cattle is guaranteed more stable room, partial ungrated flooring, field time etc (field time being relevant in Europe because we don't have big ranges to just kick them out on). The worst excesses of factory farming are mitigated. Unless I source my meat from a known farm I can't get those guarantees for non organic meat.

>>11846051
>copper sulfate and pyrethrum, both of which have far worse acute and longterm toxicity.
Copper sulfate at the levels remaining in food will do bugger fuck all to us, the only problem is copper accumulation in the soil ... they'll find some way to deal with it, they have little choice.

Long term pyrethrum does fuck all too, because it doesn't accumulate. A little more up front toxicity is a pretty good trade off for fast elimination.

Fucking cadmium.

I only eat inorganic compounds.

>>11845607
Organic is a meme.
Eating whole unprocessed foods in not.

This is a great paper:

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Patrice_Marchand/post/What_is_the_most_effect_method_of_appropriately_measuring_the_economic_effects_of_bee_pollination_on_agricultural_crops/attachment/59d6567979197b80779ad3fe/AS%3A530427907670016%401503475276996/download/Environmental+and+Economic+Costs+of+Pesticide+Use.pdf

>>11849424
>The problem is also that a LOT of crops are directed to meat production. We could theoretically eat all organic if we didn't eat as much meat as we do now.
Agree, meat should go back to being an occasional treat, or at least a minor component of the meal.

>>11849112
And diamonds are organic? His definition, while closer, still isn't right.
I get organic eggs because they taste better. The yolk is yolkier. Produce is whatever. Less antibiotics in meat production sounds good but the price difference at my grocery store is pretty steep

I eat almost entirely organic. It's not that much more and all of the food tastes better, you can taste the quality you pay for. It's more nutritious due to the secondary consumers (animals) being allowed to eat natural diets of grass/plant matter vs forced starch diets but I'll let you google search that I will not be replying to any butthurt fatties that are militant against it because they like to save the 10 dollars at the grocery store and spend it on fast food.

>>11845607
i buy it if the regular produce doesnt look as good.

>>11845647
it means they use organic pesticides.
Organic pesticides have not been shown to be any healthier for anything