/ck/ - Food & Cooking

I eat fast food every day and can deadlift 4pl8, fuck ketotwinks

>>11836821
>Keto
>Highly restrictive diet
>I MUST BE LOSING WEIGHT BECAUSE OF KETO

>>11836821
>eat too much sugar and refined carbs
>go on keto
>lose weight
>"fruit is bad"

>>11836841
Fruit has too much sugar

>>11836821
>Falling for fad diets
Stop being a retard.

>>11836863
if you're eating the whole fruit and not just drinking the juice, it has a lot of fiber to slow down digestion. lots of studies have shown the sugar from fruit doesn't really have any negative health impact. and we can even see in modern hunter-gatherer tribes that they consume what we could consider large amounts of honey every day and don't suffer from it, but they also eat a lot of unprocessed plants and meat too.

fixing your diet and not consuming too many refined carbs is a good thing, but you don't have to demonize all carbs and go keto to do it. although i suppose for someone who might almost be addicted to it, cutting it out completely is fine if it helps them lose weight and get healthier, even if it's not the best diet.

>>11836821
Why what legit reason should I do it when I do the proper amount of daily exercise to maintain my body and keep a balanced diet?

>>11836838
Exactly. For the cases where it works, they're just doing the same obvious one thing everyone has already known works since the dawn of human history which is eating less (or if you want to get really nitpicky about it, eating fewer units of food energy i.e. calories). The trendy "keto" abbreviation attracts pseuds who like to pretend they're in on some clever scientific sounding trick that "transforms your metabolism into a fat burning furnace."
Also try arguing with one some time. The longer you push them on their bullshit the more certain it becomes that they'll retreat to a position of "well yeah, it doesn't really make you lose more weight than any other foods with the same calories would, b-but muh satiation!"

>>11836833
How much do you weigh? 4pl8 diddly is impressive depending on your weight

>>11836833
>brags about an umimpressive lift
>calls people twinks

I'm sub 10% bf cutting on keto and I can still throw up 495 in a fasted state.

Stay mad fatty

>>11836863
So you’re worried about eating fucking fruit but see no problems guzzling coconut oil?

>>11836912
except you don't take into factor the insulin resistance that also affects the diet.

High carb = higher resistance to insulin
Low carb = less resistance

This plays a huge factor in weight loss, but more importantly maintaining muscle mass while losing weight.

I've done both ways (IIFYM vs KETO) and I was able to maintain far more muscle mass while barely losing any strength at all. No I did not count calories either for keto.

IDK why this is being posted on /ck/ and not /fit/ though.

>>11837042
>So you're worried about fucking (thing that kicks you out of ketosis) but see no problems guzzling (thing that does not kick you out of ketosis)
whoa.

>falling for a normie meme mainstream fad diet

I'll give some credit, keto is useful if your goal is to lose fat in a short time period. For a long term diet, its absolute dogshit and unnecessary.

>>11837053
>keto friendly arsenic is preferable to blueberries
Yikes. Don’t defoo.

>>11837053
>>11837052
>>11837055
Braindead and ketopilled

I eat MORE on keto. But it is my selections that have lessened. I eat about 2-3 pounds of meat a day, alone.

For me, it's not increasing my risk of kidney stones from one in several thousand to one in ten.
https://web.archive.org/web/20120314160921/http://site.matthewsfriends.org/uploads/File/StonesPolycitra1.pdf
>Nephrolithiasis has been observed in children receiving the ketogenic diet since it was first reported more than 30 years ago.4 The prevalence of kidney stones ranges from 3% to 10%, in comparison to 1 in several thousand in the general population.5,6
>>11837052
>No I did not count calories
lol
>insulin resistance
Yeah, if you're already pre-diabetic or diabetic then glycemic index matters. Although that's different from saying you need to eat so fewer carbohydrates that your body needs to start trying to make up for it exclusively through ketone bodies. Even the notoriously low carbohydrate meat only Inuit diet wasn't extreme enough to ever have induced an observed and documented state of ketosis in Inuits. It's such an awful diet that children who literally can't control their epilepsy without it have historically opted in large numbers to drop the diet and deal with having seizures instead. The compliance rates are some of the worst you can find for an epilepsy treatment.

>>11836821
I starve myself for 5 days out of the week

>>11837974
then what?

>tfw deadlift 505 at 185 body weight and stuff my face with carbs all day while OP is a fat fuck who subscribes to meme diets
Must suck to be double digit IQ and triple digits overweight

>>11838036
do you even squatz?

>>11838043
yeah i do but it's pretty weak. max is like 375 rn

>>11836821
I just eat regular meals, walk a lot, and go to the gym every 2-4 days

Weight loss blog post AKA what I learned about how to feed your fat face
>experienced extreme weight gain and loss back and forth, usually 40-60 lbs each way at a time, steadily gaining from baseline my whole child/teen/adult life
>skinnyfat chunky normal superfat chunky normal fat superfat etc
>started a strict keto diet September 2017 at heighest ever weight ~350lbs
>lost 65 lbs in 3 months and stopped keto in early Dec 17
>lost 15 lbs eating whatever I wanted, constantly binge drinking, AND going to the gym 3 days/week till New Years Day 2018
My New Year's resolution was to apply what I learned doing strict keto into achieving better weight loss and improving muscle mass without sacrificing good food. The single best thing I ever did for my diet was learning food history and how the fuck to cook (and portion) food.
Now I research and cook great traditional food - Korean, German, Thai, French, etc - without the bread, potatoes, rice, pasta, and filler - because I'm not a peasant and I don't need cheap starches to help "fill me up."
>tl;dr
Just give up starchy "filler" foods and sugary dessert and soda shit. Eat real nutrients, focus on veggies, and you'll lose weight naturally without being hungry. Git gud pleb.

>>11838256
>till New Years Day 2018
I meant New Year's Eve 2018 - I lost 15 lbs over a year+ of doing nothing for my weight but going to the gym. Now I'm taking more initiative to lose more weight using a lifestyle instead of a diet. So git gud.

>>11838256
>give up sugary dessert and soda shit.
FIFY
If fatties just cut off all their garbage eating from their diet they would lose weight.
Keto forces them to do this because all the shitty food they eat is against keto's rules.
>Eat real nutrients, focus on veggies, and you'll lose weight naturally without being hungry.
If all fatties did this, there would be no need for fad meme diets.
I'm sincerely glad that you are becoming healthier anon.

>>11836882
This is why I say Paelo is the best. I mean, it's just a retarded name for eating unprocessed shit as much as possible, but the meal plan themselves are good.

I don't know about losing weight because I'm stuck at my weight, but I do feel generally healthier.

>>11836821
But I like bread.

>>11836821
Did you know the brain runs on carbs? Oh what am I saying, of course you don't.

>>11838938
paleo is better than the standard unregulated diet too, but still has some silly ideas like not eating sweet fruit, grains, and dairy. we have definitive proof that genetic changes took place when humans started consuming more grains and dairy to digest them better, and avoiding sweet fruit because you think it's unnatural is silly when humans have been eating honey for a very long time.

eating more unprocessed food is always good, along with a variety of foods and not overeating. it's probably the best and simplest way to be healthy if you add in a little exercise. of course everyone is different and you might have to find what foods work for you and which ones don't, but saying large food groups are bad for everyone isn't correct.

>I don't know about losing weight because I'm stuck at my weight
if you're accurately counting your calories and eating less, some people say that their weight will be the same for a few weeks and they'll drop a few pounds seemingly overnight. it's called the "woosh" effect or something. don't know if it's real or not, couldn't find scientific proof, but a lot of people say it's happened to them.

>>11838977
>not knowing that the body can convert both fats into what is needed for brain function
Ingesting carbs is actually the one thing not needed to survive.

>>11836833
>thinks deadlifting is relevant
lol fucking powerfats.

>>11837052
you become more insulin resistant on keto/low-carb. Got first hand experience with that. had to use like 6 IU of insulin to get my bs from 10 to 6. Normally that amount would get me severely hypoglycemic

>>11838998
that doesn't mean carbs are bad though

>>11838996
You summed up my problem with it pretty good. I like sweet potatoes and they're not paleo friendly apparently. I do think both paleo and keto have a point about fat consumption though. As in a lot of people nowadays don't consume enough fat or enough healthy fat. Adding things like nuts, Avocados and some brands of cheese is very healthy. Olive oil too.

And I think my main problem is just not counting calories right.

>>11836821
Keto works but it's just so boring like I can't any of my favoritr Italian and French foods anymore

keto is good if you want to increase your blood pressure by an exponential amount and have a heart attack by 40

>>11838998
>not needed to survive
There are a lot of things you don't need to survive. That doesn't necessarily mean it's a good idea not to have those things. There's such a thing as problems which don't outright end your life.

>>11837879
>Inuit diet
isn't actually ketogenic. seal blubber actually has huge amounts of glycogen in it, in some seals nearly 30% by weight.

>>11839020
>you become more insulin resistant on keto/low-carb.
Yeah, that was a finding with multiple studies on mice too.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2980360/
https://physoc.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1113/JP275173

>>11839913
Did you read the post? It explicitly says Inuit diet doesn't induce ketosis.

>>11838977
did you know your brain can run almost totally on the ketone betahydroxybutyrate, and your body can make more than enough glucose for its needs from the glycerol in fat and from the ketone acetone.
oh what am i saying of course you don't.
retard

>>11839919
yes i did. did you? it explicitly says the inuit diet is "notoriously low carb". it may be notorious, but it isn't low carb at all, its actually fairly high carb because of all the seal glycogen they ate.

>>11836838
>Jewish
>Highly conniving
>I MUST BE PERSECUTED BECAUSE IM JEW

>>11836821
I don't not do that

>>11839011
>the most functional lift hitting every muscle group doesn't matter

Turn back, all ye who entre hyere. E-stats and brainlets abound.

>>11839914
>mice
lol

>>11839020
>deny cells glucose
>fine we'll chow on these ketones and triglycerides
>heres some glucose brah
>nah we're good brah, we've already got a full tank of ketones and triglycerides
>reee insulin resistance
keto "insulin resistance" is simply the flip side of keto flu, its due to your metabolic inertia, it takes a while for your body to flip between burning glucose and ketones/triglycerides, and vice versa. eat highish carb for a few days and the cells get back to running off glucose and the keto "insulin resistance" disappears.

>>11840140
>keto keeeto keEETO KETPO KEEPO

Keto is shit
Not because it doesn't work for losing weight (it does)
But because it has empowered an entire generation of fat, stupid, lazy people into thinking they know fuck all about nutrition because they managed to follow a diet that works solely because it tricks their dumb asses into not shoveling sugar into their mouths.

Congrats, your sugar is down.
Oh, but you still have a shlubby skinny-fat body and high blood pressure because your salt intake is colossally above the limit.
Oh, but your HDL is off the fucking chart and you're giving yourself atherosclerosis because your diet says you should have bacon for breakfast instead of cream of wheat.
You're still going to fucking die of the exact same thing that kills fat assholes because your dipshit meme diet doesn't address either of these things.

>>11840143
>>11840188

>>11838123
That's a stupid imbalance dude. I'd highly suggest figuring out your squat issue

>>11836863
wtf I hate 60 million years of simian diet now

>>11840188
Absolutely based and antiketopilled
If fatties learned to control what they're stuffing in their mouths they would never have to resort to faggy meme diets.
I'm tired of people who think they're now certified nutritionists because they read a reddit blog on the wonders of keto. There is no hope in arguing with them because it is literally a cult.
These people are effectively braindead.

>>11840188
Based

>>11840232
>Who would win in a fight
>The objectively true statement that high sodium leads to high bloodpressure, high cholesterol leads to arteriosclerosis, ketogenic diets are high in sodium and cholesterol, and that having high blood pressure and arteriosclerosis is responsible for every CVD under the sun
>Or an image you literally downloaded from knowyourmeme

>>11840281
>objectively true
every single statement in that sentence was proven false decades ago, grandpa. but thanks for a good laugh.

>>11836821
i don't want diabetes.

>>11840440
Watch out for Mr. Keto-bigbrain here guys. He's obviously IQ>150 and anything you throw at him denouncing the book of keto is wrong.

i have learned to not be ashamed of my fat.

>>11840454
>my 1950's era sciency stuff I learned in high school is completly wrong, so I'll just sarcasm and hope nobody notices

>>11840440
>high cholesterol doesn't lead to atherosclerosis
Imagine being this indoctrinated by your cult

>>11840479
>imagine still believing this after 1986

>>11840483
Yeah imagine having an IQ in the triple digits

>>11840440
>Every single statement in that sentence was proven false decades ago
It's sad that we live in an era where literally all the compiled information in human history is on the fucking phone in your pocket and yet dipshits can just say that, no, salt totally doesn't raise your blood pressure, and that, no, cholesterol doesn't cause plaque to build in your arteries.

>>11840476
>Unironically thinks keto is what made him lose weight
>Doesn't understand he's actually a complete fat fuck with 0 self control, so the only way to lose weight was to cut out 99% of his diet.
Can't shovel garbage in your mouth as quickly if you have to keep checking if it's doctrine-approved.
I'm glad keto is vegan of meme diets.
>How can you tell if someone is keto? They'll tell you about it.
Makes it easy to weed out the retards and avoid associating with them.

>>11840486
No imagination needed, actually. its not as fun as you brainlets think but it has its perks.

>>11840495
>brainlet humor
oof

>>11836821
>Eating zero carb pasta
I prefer my food without explosive diarrhoea.

>>11840440
https://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health-topics/all-publications-and-resources/high-blood-cholesterol-what-you-need-know

Here little guy, for a bedtime story, read this, go to bed, and you'll absorb the information even better!

>>11839942
Why would you respond with "it isn't ketogenic" to a post that already said the Inuit diet isn't ketogenic?

>>11840519
$10 says this ketard cites the publishing date (2005) as being old and irrelevant

>>11840121
>Mice studies are bad
????????
Do you have any idea how much modern medical knowledge is informed in some way by a mice study?

>>11840524
I've got bad news then for the estate of Isaac Newon

>>11840490
This is the age of alternative facts and people believe whatever they want to believe if it fits their narrative. Anything else is a lie.

>>11840476
>Hehe, no guys, the fact that the standard treatment for hypertension is controlling your sodium intake is all a coincidence
>You're such a sheep, trusting those Doctors, clinical trials, and recorded patient data instead of me, some faggot on 4chan with pictures of Cosmo saved on my HDD
Dude I love it.
Just say complete braindead contrarian tripe on the internet.

>>11836833
This lmao. Imagine not working out enough to burn 2500 minimum. Imagine being such a fuckin porker you need to restrict carbs.

>>11840536
Keto is a cult. He's brainwashed. Almost as bad as antivaxxers

>>11840531
That's how its always been, social media just gives these retards a platform and other easily manipulated idiots now have access to fall for it.

>>11839942
>it explicitly says the inuit diet is "notoriously low carb". it may be notorious, but it isn't low carb at all, its actually fairly high carb because of all the seal glycogen they ate.
On what fucking planet is a meat only diet with some incidental glycogen amounting to 4 times fewer carbs than a normal modern Western diet not low carb? It's more carbohydrate intake than a kerogenic diet, but the post you replied to already said that. And it's easily the lowest carb diet you'll find when looking at organically arising indigenous cuisine, as opposed to artificially deliberate fad diet carb minimization.
Also 30% is the upper ceiling for seal blubber glycogen, not the average. And glycogen quickly degrades into lactate after the seal dies. And seal meat also isn't the only thing they ate. Their traditional diet carb percent is typically assessed at something more like 15%.

>>11839020
As a type 1 diabetic who has been on a ketogenic diet for many years, I have found the exact opposite to be true. When in dietary ketosis my basal insulin dose is about 1/3 lower, and corrective/bolus doses are about halved. If I ever fuck up and eat too many carbs or ridiculous amounts of protein, I have to chase the sugars with obscene amounts of insulin. It's like flushing money down the toilet. Every once in a while I'll exercise way too intensely and trigger a liver glycogen dump, which causes my blood sugar to soar. Then it takes me 1-3 days of keto/fasting to get back to the lower insulin resistance. Any sugars until then are flukes.

>>11840245
>he believes in jewish fairy tales like evolution

>>11840188
Keto has nothing to do with salt intake, you wanna chug salt knock yourself out but don't blame it on Keto
Your blood pressure tends to goes down on Keto
HDL does go up but not "off the chart", meanwhile LDL goes down, so your HDL:LDL ratio improves markedly

>>11839020
I became much less insulin resistant when I went to a keto diet. not sure what happened to you.

>>11841001
>>11841225
>>11841257
Absolute ketocucks and braindead.

>>11841280
Don't worry, grain merchant. I'll switch back to a high carb diet soon when you're paying for my medical coverage. It's going to cost you a fortune. Enjoy.

Who else intermittent fasting + keto master race?

>>11841592
Absolute kek. Good job Anon, you got me! Boy you sure did.
I wish I could learn all about proper diet, nutrition all from mommy blogs and subreddits instead of having to actually read and understand peer reviewed research.
You're medical costs are going to be high because if you follow a meme diet you're obviously a fat fuck with 0 self control, whose only chance at not stuffing their face constantly is by following an extremely restrictive diet.
But stay up on that pedestal built of pseudoscience and anecdotal evidence!

Reminder that you can lose weight eating nothing but sweets (without starving themselves), and people have done this experiment to prove it. It's all about burning more calories than you consume.

>>11842185
Don't mention this to keto-ers
This is blasphemy and they will begin throwing angry pseudoscience at you.

>>11842112
yessum

>>11842185
>I'm not fat
>Still unhealthy
lel

>>11842175
I used to be chubby. Now I am trim and muscular with excellent blood sugar control for a type 1 diabetic. I spend less than half of what I used to on insulin, and I absolutely look forward to universal healthcare in the US, which is coming, and other type 1's like myself will crush the shit out of its sustainability. We currently shoulder the brunt of the nation's (and the world's) healthcare costs. The federal government will be forced to take a goddamn stand on enforcing prescription drug prices. As a consequence of that, the revolving door lobbying industry will suffer a huge blow, cleaning up politics in general. Underlying causes for higher healthcare costs like sugar and grain subsidies will also come into the spotlight. Suck a dick, fool. Peddle your shit in another thread.

Also, I can kick your ass any day of the week. And I'm insane with anger at dipshit internet shill fatbodies like your dumbfuck ass. Fatfuck. Pasta this, motherfucker.

>>11842221
Fat people love to pretend being fat somehow isn't that bad because skinny people can be unhealthy too. Except that the vast, vast majority of diet related unhealthiness is in fact a direct consequence of eating too many calories and being fat.
If you're underweight and spike your blood sugar with junk food all the time you're still going to be considered very unlikely to become prediabetic or to end up with full blown type 2 diabetes for example. You could get nutritional deficiencies if you're skinny and fall for the vegan meme from lack of protein. You would have to try really fucking hard to get scurvy to the point where a number of doctors and researchers have gone on the record as saying the occasional news story you hear about some college kid getting it in a modern developed nation is almost certainly sensationalist exaggerated bullshit (like finding low vitamin C in a patient with no scurvy symptoms and calling that "scurvy") because of how many different ways you would accidentally prevent it e.g. using a ketchup packet at a fast food restaurant.
Cardiovascular is more of the same. If you're a starving anorexic girl you might do some heart damage, otherwise it'd be very difficult to match the amount of strain an obese person puts on their heart just through being a skinny person who eats foods associated with heart disease. The fact your heart isn't having to deal with an extra 200lb of fat 24/7 keeps you out of most heart trouble.

Being on keto when you don't have epilepsy is like going gluten free when you don't have Coeliac disease. Knock that shit off, you twat.

for retards complaining about blood sugar going up with early stages of keto adapation:

your cells are packed full of unnecessary glucose that insulin forces to be there to remove it from the blood stream. when you stop eating carbs, your ketone production goes up and insulin drops. when your insulin drops, the glucose trapped in your cells can begin to make its way out since there is nothing forcing it to stay in (especially if you are also eating a caloric deficit and/or intermittently fasting). after enough time doing this, you will reach homeostasis and blood glucose will normalize.

can it help my tits grow

>>11840245
Humans evolved eating meat breh. We are not frugivores like gorillas. We eat it when it's around but it's not a main part of our diet

>>11842435
>i have diabetes
lmao genelet did you ever stop to think that keto might be good in your situation but not in non diabetics? you have a fairly specific condition that lends itself to your "improved health"

let me make something clear, if you're going to restrict your diet then stop trying to substitute shit with gross keto versions
just eat the food you can have

i would smack a bitch that gave me zoodles

>>11844294
Humans also evolved eating fruit, it was every bit as a part of our diet as meat. There is categorically zero evidence that fruit consumption is unhealthy. It's just ketard preschool tier logical assumption

>sugar bad!
>fruit has sugar!
>fruit bad!

>>11842435
>Is type 1 diabetic
>Thinks keto is good for everyone because it suits his genes
It's cool it works for you, bruh. But keto is a meme diet for people who are too fat and lazy to actually maintain proper nutrition/exercise

>>11846200
humans aren't arboreal, the very fact we started walking upright is because we traded the trees and fruit for the land and meat

>>11846216
Not living in trees has nothing to do with not eating fruit. You can't talk about primitive human diet (not as if it actually fucking matters) and then exclude fruit. Humans didn't start suddenly not eating fruit because they walked upright, nor is this non-existent abandonment of fruit some evidence of a sparkplug for evolution. Nor does it have any bearing on humans ability to eat fruit today. Ketards literally can only speak in false idealizations

>>11846236
I did not realize that my wife was feeding our infant child fruit. He had been quadrupedal since he fell out of my wife's womb and now it's clear why.
My bitch wife was holding back his evolution, so I did the only reasonable thing I could think of. After beating the shit out of her, I took my son to my off-grid cabin and began feeding him a proper diet of meats and fats. No sugar. No carbs.
Almost immediately he gave up his quadrupedalism and started walking like an evolved homosapien.
I pray to Keto every day and thank it for giving me the strength to leave my arboreal, braindead wife, and allowing my son to evolve into a proper human being.

>>11846236
youre making an implication that fruit is a large part of the human diet
I think you're confusing the abundance of fruit today and thinking it was in any way easy to get
>cant climb well
>easily out competed by other better climbers
>seasonal
>barely exists in colder climates
foraging for a few berries here and there isn't the same as eating an apple every day. Such a thing is not possible in the wild

remember will say again, we are talking about humans evolving
if you have an abundant food source you don't evolve traits that make it harder to get. The shift towards meat and the traits that make meat easier to get mean at some point vegetation was not working out for us and the ones able to get meat were the ones that were surviving

>>11846268
Holy redpilled

Yeah, I’m doing keto because I can’t stop stuffing my face when I’m not. Whatchu gonna do about it, faggot? When did 4chan start extolling the virtues of hard work and self-improvement?

>>11846277
>youre making an implication that fruit is a large part of the human diet
Nowadays? That's very subjective. Bananas/plantains are an important part of a lot of diets in the Southern hemisphere. Berries and other fruits were vital parts in primitive times

>>cant climb well
>easily out competed by other better climbers
I dont see the relevance of this, I'd imagine foragers usually served this role

>seasonal
>barely exists in colder climates
Well you're obviously not going to get a fresh peach in Norway, but berries are abundant globally and can thrive in cold climates. It's all regional dependent on which fruits they have, but fruits are fruits, and they weren't operating with global capacity standards of today like you're almost implying. You're making more false idealizations

>if you have an abundant food source you don't evolve traits that make it harder to get.
You're assuming evolution follows your logic, it doesn't. Do you think people have trouble freeclimbing trees even today? Standing has almost no impact on the ability to forage fruit. Why don't carnivores who subside overwhelmingly on meat stand up and learn to hunt? If anything wasting time learning to make tools to hunt was far more of a long term investment energy wise

>The shift towards meat and the traits that make meat easier to get mean at some point vegetation was not working out for us and the ones able to get meat were the ones that were surviving
You're again making brash assumptions about "shifts" and what not, meat has also always existed in the primitive diet, some indigenous tribes like the Inuits and Masai have always relied upon it. If people start making lab grown foods, does that necessarily mean modern agriculture is failing? No. It's broadening your spectrum. This is all emotion based conjecture.

>>11838977
Are you aware that some organs in the body were made to convert some nutrients into others

>>11836833
>bragging about 4 plates
Oh, sweaty......

>>11846324
It's okay that you lack self control. Just realize that keto is a meme and only "works" because it restricts you from stuffing your fat face 24/7.

>>11846334
I don't want to hear carnists every whine about dietary cholesterol and dietary animal saturated fats as nutrients of concern ever again then.

>>11846356
k

>>11840522
Why even mention Inuit diet when it has nothing to do with keto

>>11840281
Eating too much salt is not part of the keto diet.

>>11840490
The statement of keto = eating salt in massive amounts is incorrect you dumbass

>>11840519
But keto actually reduces the bad cholesterol in blood

>>11840633
What does this have to do with keto diet when it is not a keto diet?

>>11846694
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>>11846741
Hey Ketard, you can stop replying to day old comments trying to defend your meme diet.

>>11843963
Or like stopping smoking when you don't have lung cancer, amiright?
Or drinking no alcohol when you don't have a damaged liver, amiright?

>>11846747
Why even mention Inuit diet when it has nothing to do with keto. Eating too much salt is not part of the keto diet. The statement of keto = eating salt in massive amounts is incorrect you dumbass. But keto actually reduces the bad cholesterol in blood. What does this have to do with keto diet when it is not a keto diet?

>itt: ketotards prove they're as much a brainwashed cult as vegans
Good goys!

>>11846775
Ketards are the antivaxxers of the fad diet world.

>>11846753
No you retard, carbohydrates don't cause normal people to develop drug resistant childhood epilepsy. Go back to school and ask an adult to teach you how to do analogies properly.
>like stopping smoking when you don't have lung cancer
More like taking chemo when you don't have lung cancer. Do you think that'd be a good idea? Because guess what?Ketogenic diet has an even worse history of patients dropping out of studies for lack of compliance due to it being that poorly tolerated than cancer patients do with the chemo therapy that's famous for making people violently ill, balding, immunocompromised, and near death.
>no alcohol when you don't have a damaged liver
>DURR if people with damaged bile ducts from cirrhosis of the liver take bile acid tablets to make up for it then it MUST be a good idea for me to take them to prevent liver damage!
Not how reality works you fucking imbecile.

>>11846766
>Why even mention Inuit diet when it has nothing to do with keto.
You are incredibly bad at reading. You've repeatedly misunderstood everything. The point was that even the best example we have of a naturally emergent indigenous diet with very low (4 times less than the typical modern Western diet) carbohydrate intake *still* isn't as extreme as the extent of carb deprivation required to subject yourself to ketosis (as established by the lack of ketosis in any Inuit ever examined in the past). And it has a terrible track record for poor tolerability and high dropout rates among patients who actually have good reason to resort to it e.g. epileptics who can't control seizures with drugs. And it's associated with muscle wasting. Kind of important to have carbohydrates if you don't want to be an emaciated twink your whole life. Your muscles use that shit. It's not a normal or healthy thing to do to your body, as seen in part with all the above points.

I literally lost my dad last year due to ketosis. Not sure why this fag "diet" is so popular

keto is stupid just eat better you fat fucks

>>11837989
then pig out on the weekend

>>11836912
It's not just calories in calories out, eating more proteins and fats and less carbs makes the body work to break down those more complex molecules, thus burning calories just to digest the food.

>>11846950
Because Ketards are fat fucks who have no self control and need a restrictive diet to lose weight. Keto just happens to be the biggest meme right now
>>11846997
Absolute braindead keto-er

>>11840236
not really lol i'm just not a manlet. long femurs make my squat ROM really long.

>>11846997
That might sound plausible, but it's not true FYI. You don't lose more weight if you keep calories the same and only change the macronutrient ratio.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19246357
>Comparison of weight-loss diets with different compositions of fat, protein, and carbohydrates.
>CONCLUSIONS: Reduced-calorie diets result in clinically meaningful weight loss regardless of which macronutrients they emphasize.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/7096307_Ketogenic_low-carbohydrate_diets_have_no_metabolic_advantage_over_nonketogenic_low-carbohydrate_diets
>Ketogenic low-carbohydrate diets have no metabolic advantage over nonketogenic low-carbohydrate diets
>KLC and NLC diets were equally effective in reducing body weight and insulin resistance, but the KLC diet was associated with several adverse metabolic and emotional effects. The use of ketogenic diets for weight loss is not warranted.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27385608
>Energy expenditure and body composition changes after an isocaloric ketogenic diet in overweight and obese men.
>The carbohydrate-insulin model of obesity posits that habitual consumption of a high-carbohydrate diet sequesters fat within adipose tissue because of hyperinsulinemia and results in adaptive suppression of energy expenditure (EE). Therefore, isocaloric exchange of dietary carbohydrate for fat is predicted to result in increased EE, increased fat oxidation, and loss of body fat. In contrast, a more conventional view that "a calorie is a calorie" predicts that isocaloric variations in dietary carbohydrate and fat will have no physiologically important effects on EE or body fat.
>CONCLUSION: The isocaloric KD was not accompanied by increased body fat loss but was associated with relatively small increases in EE that were near the limits of detection with the use of state-of-the-art technology.

>>11846997
>It's not just calories in calories out, eating more proteins and fats and less carbs makes the body work to break down those more complex molecules, thus burning calories just to digest the food.
This is one of the dumbest posts I've seen in weeks.

>>11844479
>>11846201
Yes, I understand the diet is ideal for myself. I also have no particular beef against less-refined carbohydrate consumption for normal, normal-weight people. But it does for type 2 diabetics as well. I know several of them who used the diet to lose weight and repair thier insulin resistances. The world has an obesity and type 2 diabetes epidemic because of the horrible food choces people make. It is massively expensive, and a huge drain to socialized healthcare systems, and a boon to capitalist systems that thrive on the epidemic like a cancer, ignoring an obvious, inexpensive solution in favor of entrenching rich, useless piece of shit investors. I am strongly in favor of any kind of patient-side intervention that helps these people and reduces health care costs. The cycle of agricultural subsidies, political corruption, medical malfeasance, and pharmaceutical chicanery must end. You can't earnestly blame people ignorant of healthier dietary and lifestyle choices when not even their fucking physicians will inform them of them. You seem to think they're all intractable idiots. The reality is that most of these patients are treated like cattle that get tossed pills and little else in the realm of nutritional advice. It's completely fucked up. It's tobacco 2.0. They are very efficient at it.

>>11846200
I got diabetes from eating too much fruit.

>>11847166
Very fair points.
I can accept that with the lack of sound nutritional advice, combined with the abundance of unhealthy food, that Keto is a good alternative to obesity and high healthcare costs. I guess if it works, it works, don't let perfect be the enemy of good.
Thanks for the well-written response to a troll-y post, anon.

>>11847198
No you didn’t

Are ketards worse than vegans now?
Jesus christ

>>11847270
That is literally what my doctor said to me, why should I listen to some random con-artist on a pakistani goat auction board

>>11836833
>bragging about 4pl8
embarrassing desu

>>11846200
> it was every bit as a part of our diet as meat

that's bullshit. At best they were a luxury when you came across it and meat wasn't readily available.

>>11846333
no see this the thing, fruit is difficult to get
you're still talking about civilization which means cultivation, and the top of discussion is the historic diet of an evolving species

humans have an abysmal strength to weight ratio and are simply awful climbers
the upright posture isn't the reason we are bad climbers, its our large size, weak muscles, and lack of pedidexterity, and this of course occurred because our body evolved to make us good runners from the shape of our feet to the upright posture shortening of the arms, and even the loss of thick fur
you don't make all these physical changes towards making hunting easier if your plant based food source is sufficient

the quadrupedal carnivores you reference have been at this hunting thing longer than we have and were always on 4 legs so that design was just refined over time to make them faster
we were already on 2 legs and used long arms to help us walk
the problem is that is both slow and inefficient
its an easier path for evolution to make the existing legs better at running than it is for it to turn functional arms back into legs

humans are stamina machines and running on 2 legs is much more efficient than 4, and that's how we compensate for our lack of raw speed in a sprint....jogging
humans can jog for miles and miles without stopping, our lack of fur made it so we wouldn't overheat, and those advantages make it so we can run on the heels of our prey for as long as it takes
a deer will collapse from exhaustion before a human will, all we need to do is follow along at a safe distance and keep pressuring it until it dies from a heat stroke

>>11844174
eat/cook with fenugreek

>>11838281
veggies are gross as fuck. only good thing is corn and that a fake veggie

the reason I can't do it is becasue I can't imagine just eating some nutes from a baggy and like a granola bar as my lunch. im not a squirrel.

99% of the food in my kitchen is carbs or cheese. I'm getting skinnyfat, but that was because of years of fast food abuse I think