/ck/ - Food & Cooking

Because dairy is unhealthy. Obviously.

>>11798602

Soy milk tastes good, and it's cheap.

I don't drink it though because estrogen.

>>11798602
I like regular whole milk a lot, but I have tried both soy milk and almond milk in the past out of curiosity. And I'm ashamed to admit I thought the soy milk tasted really fucking great. The almond milk gave me a bad aftertaste and also didn't sit well stomach-wise later on. If it weren't for the estrogen meme I don't think anyone would have a legitimate reason to knock that soy stuff (Silk was the brand I think, with a vanilla flavor).

some virieties of soy milk taste almost identical to dairy milk, to me.
and for some reason almond milk just doesn't work in coffee. you'd expect the nutty flavour to pair well with nutty coffee but it simply doesn't. at least for my linking.

a soy face on his soy drink. I wonder if hes self aware of it and just havin a giggle.

>>11798695
>>11798656
Soy doesn't affect testosterone sciencelets.

>>11798602
Soy milk is cheaper than the others so if your primary goal is not to consume lactose or dairy but to still have a latte then that is what you get. Also almonds are water-hogging monocultural bee killers

>>11798700
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/2ac4/b00ea688c52209807982243ca80e41f3ddc5.pdf
>On an as is basis, foods with the highest amounts of total phytoestrogens are soy beans, flaxseed, sesame seed, and products that contain them.

REAL MILK HURTS MA TUMMY

>>11798602
because coasties fucking love soy and hate almond because it uses too much water

>>11798732
And? What do phytoestrogens do?

>>11798779
>hate almond because it uses too much water
Are you implying having more water isn't a good reason to dislike it? I don't get it. That sounds awful.

>>11798767
Not based

>>11798767
Try being white.

>>11798785
>And?
What do you mean "and?"
>What do phytoestrogens do?
Phyto- is a prefix meaning plant. Phytoestrogens are xenoestrogens produced by plants. Xenoestrogens are xenohormones. Xenohormones are compounds that are structurally and functionally similar to endogenous hormones. Xenoestrogens are structurally and functionally similar to estrogen in particular. Phytoestrogens are structurally and functionally similar to estrogen while also coming from plants. Estrogen is the primary female sex hormone. It's also an antigonadotropin meaning it inhibits the HPG (hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal) axis. The HPG axis produces androgens. Suppressing the HPG axis suppresses androgens. Androgens are male hormones. The primary androgen is testosterone.

>>11798829
Can you prove it rather than blog about it?

>>11798832
Prove what? These are all literal definitions, there's nothing to debate except which amount of a given xenohormone is going to be enough to produce noticeable effects when consumed.

>>11798829
There are suggestions that phytoestrogens are lowering of estrogen amounts, potentially even blocking receptors from powerful effects of animal estrogen.

>>11798846
Plant estrogen doesn't effect estrogen though. Because something is similar in structure does not make it the same. This is very important at a cellular level. See the studies below that even studied up to 250,000 people during their meta-analyses.

Phytoestrogens and Disease: http://tinyurl com/hfxu23q
Phytoestrogens and Heart Disease: http://tinyurl com/zg2nh7a
Phytoestrogen and Kidney Disease: http://tinyurl com/jtwyanb
High soy can result in 59% less breast cancer study: http://tinyurl com/j8ywsra
Soy yields 13% lower LDL/Bad Cholesterol Study: http://tinyurl com/hhf4weq
Soy and Men Hormones Study: http://tinyurl com/hsu4wqk
Meta-analysis on men, soy and phytoestrogen extracts: http://tinyurl com/ja5s9k2 30-50% of men get manboobs: http://tinyurl com/zb58cbs
Phytoestrogen content of various foods: http://tinyurl com/z3kpvsw 220 women over 2 years soy study: http://tinyurl com/z4tbb7d
Meta-analysis on 47 studies no estrogen change:
Soy being fine for men: http://tinyurl com/zwddamh

>>11798852
OK. That doesn't mean phytoestrogens don't affect testosterone. That means someone made an argument that other things affect testosterone even more.

>>11798602
>>11798666
most almond milk is pretty much water and thickeners with a small amount of almonds, pic related is the only not shit brand I've found. the sweetened one doesn't have too much sugar and tastes good on it's own
>milk my almonds

>>11798855
>Plant estrogen doesn't effect estrogen though.
>>11798852
>There are suggestions that phytoestrogens are lowering of estrogen amounts
Why don't you two work on better coordinating your bullshit excuses and get back to me when you have it figured out?

>>11798785
It turns you into a plant-woman and you sprout leaves and tits

>>11798602
it matters less for lattes but for cappuccinos soya milk fluffs up much better than almond, rice etc

>>11798864
I didn't post the first post. Are you retarded? There is more than one person on the internet.
Also you've been btfo as you've used a google blogpost and have zero understanding of what you're talking about. Try arguing with decades of science with a blog again. I'll wait.
Stop spreading lies.

>>11798863
>most almond milk is pretty much water and thickeners with a small amount of almonds
Yeah, it sounds like almonds aren't a very good source of protein on their own. Not sure why anyone decided to use them for this purpose in the first place.

>>11798602
Why don't these low test cucks realize they look beta as hell with their mouths open like that?

>>11798858
23-27% lowered estrogen is correlative with increased testosterone.

>>11798864
>>>/global/rules/6

>>11798732
PS: At least in flaxseed, the purported phytoestrogens are lignans, which are carbs – oil mitigates this. Also, omega 3s are evidenced benefiting telomere lengths; and fish oil, oxidation unto reduced amounts of EPA and DHA than what's listed – so, flaxseed oil is a great method of getting n-3 fatty acids (depending on other dietaries).

>>11798602
>Soy milk
>Almond milk
Imagine living your life not being an Oat Milk Chad
Fucking losers

>>11798870
>I didn't post the first post.
Anon, please try reading a little more slowly and carefully:
>>11798864
>Why don't you two
>you two
>two

>>11798878
>dodging for a white flag
Not an argument. Imagine being this bad at science and research.

>>11798877
You're claiming phytoestrogens decrease estrogen. The other anon* is claiming "plant estrogen doesn't affect estrogen." Which one of you is lying and/or mistaken?
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>>11798855

>>11798875
they aren't a bad protein source, companies are just being jews and barely put any in almond milk. the elmhurst brand has like 5g per serving, still not as much as dairy milk but every other almond milk brand I've seen is only 1-2g.

imagine being so insecure in your masculinity that you can't drink soy lattes because they make you "girly"

you're the same kind of self-conscious retards who spend their time reading the Art of Manliness blog and obsessing over how cocktails are gay and that's why you only drink neat whiskey like a big boy

>>11798884
>dodging for a white flag
What does that even mean? Settle the issue already. Which one of you has it right here? I'm being told phytoestrogens definitely don't have any effect at all on estrogen by one person and phytoestrogens decrease estrogen by another.

>>11798886
Plausibly means testosterone, but burdens of proofs on the beliefs.

>>11798895

>>11798892
I don't buy into the macho crap but why should I try soy when I enjoy real milk?

>>11798602
I guess it's because soy is more readily available? Or was at one point. I think almond is nearly as prevalent these days if not more. Personally I prefer the taste of almond to cow's milk so I tend towards that in my drinks. I agree with you that soymilk doesn't taste very good.

>>11798700
Even if it doesn't, soy is to the modern liberal what a maple leaf is to my nation. A plant symbolizing a political movement.

>>11798602
They are GRID's ridden homosexual cuck faggot leftists.

>>11799139
This

>>11798602
>Why are soy lattes so popular
>why are soy popular
Soy was heavily promoted as some sort of a "superfood" by big agra for a brief period of time. Many vegans fell for that meme. It's also cheap enough for people living on welfare.
>almond milk
The real one costs a lot, and would go bad within 1-2 days. Also not as tasty as most people would like. Granted, real soy milk also tastes bad. The ones sold at the supermarket has a lot of sugar and flavorings added to make it bearable.

>plant estrogen is bad!!!!1
>proceeds to consume meat and dairy loaded with ACTUAL mammalian estrogen from pregnant female cows
Will carnists ever learn?

>>11798602
Oat milk is popular today, not soy milk. Don't you boomers even go to cafes anymore? Are you getting too old to shuffle your way through the door?

>>11798829
oh my god learn critical thinking you idiot
By the way Welsh Rabbit does not actually contain rabbit

>>11798732
Let them drink their soimilk bro, the weaker they are, the better for us.

>>11798700
good for women in menopause I've heard... doesn't affect hormones at all, you dicklets. hah you couldn't possibly get LAID, you wouldn't consume 6 gorillion phytoestrogens via soymilk like me. only losers hate soymilk, you virgins.

>>11798602
Does almond milk hold the foam as well?

>>11799862
> worried about the appearance of the milk in his coffee

Spoken like a true soyboy

>>11798866
>It turns you into a plant-woman and you sprout leaves and tits

>>11798767
Imagine being such a human mistake that actual milk hurts you.

>>11798879

This dude is unfortunately correct, oat milk is the new hotness. Oatly sells so much that my supplier more often than not is sold out. I heard theyre building a plant in the states, so that's cool.
I dont even like it, tastes like oatmeal - I drink whole milk.

>>11800064
Boomers fear oat milk

Almond milk is chalky af

>>11798700
it does though see cosmo

>>11800106
Wrong

>>11800134
>deranged homo is a plausible logical fallacy

>>11798832
You literally said 'and' which implied that he had to blog about it

>>11798732
>soybeans
>sesame seeds
Do east asians have this problem? Is that part of why they look more feminine than westerners?

>>11799839
>By the way Welsh Rabbit does not actually contain rabbit
Are you trying to make a very retarded analogy for why phytoestrogens don't contain estrogen? Did anyone claim phytoestrogens contain estrogen in the first place? I'm pretty sure the only thing claimed about them is that they're functionally and structurally similar to endogenous estrogen, which is true. And "phytoestrogen" doesn't have anywhere close to a misleading etymology, it was coined in the 20th century for the specific purpose of referring to non-estrogen compounds that have functional and structural similarities to endogenous estrogen.

>>11799839
It's 'rare bit' not rabbit..... its basically cheese on toast

>>11798666

the estrogen in soy is not bioactive and blocks actual estrogen from reaching receptors

>>11801564
Yep, there are some case studies though of people megadosing but in most cases these people already had some sort of thyroid or preexisting issue which contributed to estrogen increases. Sort of like how too much calcium weakens the bones

>>11800391
fuck off big soy everyone knows soy turns you into a tranny

>>11801836
It's not the soy. His daddy obviously did things to him when he was a child.

>>11800106
No its not