/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>11785790
Fuck no. This hazy/NE style fad has to die already.

>>11785790
Try Ballast Point Habanero Sculpin IPA, bud.

>>11785790
If you're from Seattle. Never was a big fan of Cascade myself.

I like em. Try victory's dirtwolf

>>11785790
The citrusy flavors come from hops in all but the shittiest versions so me thinks you are a dumb ass.

>>11785790
Yes I prefer citrus over pine, but the taste is from hops bro. There's even a hop named Citra.

>>11785808
The second worst beer I've ever had. You have dogshit taste.

>>11785790
yes, Citra hops and other modern variants more commonly found in NE and midwestern IPAs are better than west coast style hops if that is what you are asking

>>11785790
>2019
>drinking alcohol

>>11785794
nah, lets not go back to the day of mediocre west coast IPA dominating the market

>>11785790
all IPAs are disgusting

>>11786409
The days of having to wade through 20 different IPAs to find the 6 good ones is long gone. The West Cost market over-saturated itself and all the shittier start up breweries were pruned. The problem now is that you have to wade through a dozen shitty hazy/juicy IPAs just to find the couple classic West Coast IPAs on the menu, but now everyone is about being as local as possible so there's a good chance that at least one of them is going to be some mediocre homebrewer shit that started a brewery less than a year ago. This current fad is honestly making it a pain in the ass to get decent beer these days and needs to end.

I'll just stick to pilsner for a refreshing beer.

>>11786500
Just branch out into other styles. It's really easy to find great stouts, porters, belgians, etc. unless you live in the middle of nowhere.

>>11786526
>branch out into other styles
Nobody just drinks IPAs. I drink all the styles you mentioned regularly (well, good porters are under represented in the US, though I probably cook with them more than drink them). Doesn't change the fact that half the time if I go out I want to start with a solid classic West Coast IPA, and now even the old school SD breweries are jumping on this stupid hazy trend and it's just kind of like going to the movie theater in the summer and instead of seeing Jurassic Park or Terminator 2 its nothing but capeshit as far as the eye can see; some people seem to enjoy it, but it's been taken too far and has drowned out anything of quality.

Alcohol is for cucks

>>11785790
>>11786500
ipa was never good

>>11786407
>>11786433
>>11786606
>>11786647
Every. Single. Thread.
You know nobody cares about your opinion, right?

>>11786687
First post in this thread, just wanted to let you know IPA is shit and you have shit taste

>>11786500
classic west coast IPAs aren't that good

>>11786803
>that one anon who stole a 2 year old ipa from his dad one time and forever thinks that they're terrible

>>11786500
This is just a bad take. Startup breweries are better than ever. Its basically impossible to get funding for a brewery now unless you already make good beer. The days of some guy who has been homebrewing for a few months being able to start a brewery are long gone. Never before has the average IPA available been even close to this good

>>11786570
probably because hazy IPA is better than California IPA

>>11786687
just a reminder that this board is for food and cooking, not alcohol and drugs
if you want people to stop telling you not to drink alcohol, stop making alchie threads

IPAs are terrible, and anyone who drinks them is a posturing faggot

>>11786828
I'm not much of an IPA guy but hazy IPAs are bretty good.

>>11785888

I went off Cascade for a bit when there was a hop shortage and all I could basically get was Cascade and some shit tier British and European hops. I don't mind it so much now because I've got other stuff to blend it with. Cascade, Centennial and Chinook with a neutral malt base is a winner in my book. Tastes like a shandy made with Sprite.

>>11786812
beer is food

>>11786828
stop drinking West Coast IPA

>Indian Pale Ale

Poo in a can.

>>11785790
Capefag?

>>11786433

based. soyim btfo

>>11786398
Was your top worst beer the Ballast Point Grapefruit Sculpin?
>mfw bought it because I liked the fish box art

>>11788374
Honestly, Sculpin is pretty good for a West Coast beer, strangely expensive for what it is though. Guess thats California for you

>>11785790
If it ain't hoppy and bitter. It ain't an IPA.

"India pale ale (IPA) is a hoppy beer style within the broader category of pale ale."

The first sentence on wiki.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/India_pale_ale?wprov=sfla1

>>11788402
NE IPA use more hops that west coast IPA, they just add them later in the boil so they are less bitter but more tasty and aromatic

>>11788425
My opinion with a broadly supporting source. The aromatic flavors disgust me. I think of an English bitter when finding the origin of IPA's.

>>11788443
nah, there is nothing really like the original IPAs

They weren't good beers by modern standards. Back then people didn't know what yeast or bacteria was or sanitation. So all beers became sour if stored for too long. Brewers noted that hops delay the souring of beer (they didn't realize it was the antibacterial properties). So in order to create beers that would last the long journey and back from a place that had no brewing infrastructure, the IPA was developed. Note unlike modern IPA these were intentionally made for aging, but not because aging made them better, just that less hoppy beers couldn't handle the aging as well, but the extra hops made the beer too expensive to be wasted on an every day fresh beer on the homefront

TLDR: the original IPAs are not something we should be seeking because the conditions that caused them to make sense no longer exist and modern IPA is much better

>>11788466
True.

>>11785790
that shit looks oxidized as fuck
i wish the market wasn't saturated with dumbasses like this so i could start my own brewery

>>11788497
How does it look oxidized?

>>11788528
it's doo-doo brown from oxygen getting in
it'll taste stale, but the label will spin it as some sophisticated flavor bullshit

>>11786500
>The West Cost market over-saturated itself and all the shittier start up breweries were pruned.
Then why do I still see Karl Strauss and Red Trolley in stores? They're pretty hbigh on the "shitty" list

>>11788540
I couldn't believe how shitty the beer selection in stores was when I have been in California

>>11788538
>Drinking NEIPA from a fucking bottle and not a can
Bottling haze is a sin punishable by failure of your business.

>>11788546
Californians don't buy craft beer from grocery stores or chain alcohol shops. Whole foods at minimum, or a dedicated craft beer store. Preferably brewery direct.

>>11788555
that picture was taken from brulosophy's (i know they're mostly bullshit) page about oxidation in kegging vs bottling. notice how the op neipa is closer in color to the one produced with bottling. for a commercial brewery that's despicable.

>>11788563
Still, I was hoping for better. In good beer regions you can at least get pretty good shit at the grocery store, and a rather wide selection

>>11788598
It would be cool if the local grocery chains had better selection, but there are too many Modelo chugging Mexicans here to support that. The distribution game out here is owned by macros and those of us with taste have businesses dedicated to catering to us. Just how it is for now.

>>11788399
>guess thats California for you
Nah, BP got bought out a few years ago and have been pouring money into advertising and hyping their brand, but even their best (OG Sculpin and VaS) are just okay by CA standards, yet they for some reason get away with charging more than pretty much anyone else.

>>11788374
>top worst beer the Ballast Point Grapefruit Sculpin
Not that anon, but I had a BP watermelon triple IPA on tap one time that was horrendous. You could tell that they botched the batch and then just said, "fuck it, lets try to cover it up with a shit ton of watermelon extract". Tasted like a skunked double mixed with a ton of jolly ranchers.

>>11785790
Soapy Tasting IPA beer is cancerous so yes, any other flavor other than hops is a good thing

>>11788425
>less bitter but more tasty and aromatic
I'm so fucking sick of this spin. They waste more hops without getting decent IBUs, which in a balanced beer is matched by a solid malt backbone, so what you consider "tasty" is completely subjective, and I consider more complex beers more tasty. West Coast and East Coast IPAs are just as aromatic - West Coast is more likely to dry hop - but the NE style usually smells like a girly drink.

>>11788466
Somebody finally said it. I truly believe that the reason so many people seem to hate IPAs is that they don't understand that you need to drink them fresh (I'm looking at you, flyovers). Even after 2-3 weeks the flavor changes drastically, and the intricacies just fall flat. If you can find something like pic related that was bottled less than a month earlier I'd highly recommend it; it will be mind blowing. It's like a bouquet of flowers, or that gum from Willy Wonka that takes you through an entire multi-course meal.

>>11788374
Nah. It was this shit. DuClaw's peanut butter bullshit gets an honorable mention.

>>11788563
Whole foods has a pretty small selection out in California, but they unironically have really good taste. Pretty much the only reason I ever go there, though there's a ton of other places to buy plenty of decent beer (Bevmo, Total Wine, Nugget, fucking Arco).

>>11789685
Why is it so difficult to find a straight forward Porter in the US? I'm not really a fan of the style, but I do like to cook with it. There's a soup I make and when I went to the grocery store that had two aisles of beer (it's a pretty small store) there were only two porters: black butte and some chocolate shit.

>>11789701
Even if your local/regional breweries don't make normal porters, is it difficult to find Fuller's or Samuel Smith in your area?

>>11789655
>He doesn't know that DDH and TDH haze is the current state of IPA
I had this quadruple dry hopped NEIPA last week and it was fantastic. Pineapple juice mixed drink aroma and taste achieved with nothing but Galaxy and Mosaic hops. Zero bitterness, all juice.

>>11785790
I used to drink IPA reluctantly since I didn't really know what else there was but then I had a stout and it made me wonder 'Why the hell would anyone drink IPA when they can drink something that actually has body and flavor?'

>>11785790
>>11789815
>16oz can
>full wrap label
>4 pack
>Paktech carrier
I understand it's probably the cheapest/most profitable method for breweries (other than 22oz bombers), but they all just look so fucking basic and tacky.

>>11789882
Is this more to your liking?

>>11789882
>>11789900
Brouwerij West do some great label art.

I'm not sure how they apply the stickers in intricate layered patterns on a fast moving canning line but the effect is novel and aesthetic.

>>11789900
>>11789908
>>11789920
It's novel and more inventive than this shit, but it's too loud.

>>11789946
Call me a 24 year old Boomer, but 12oz bottles just appeal to me more aesthetically than 16oz cans.

>>11789920
>>11789946
Burial Beer Co. does it best

>>11789957
But this is pretty great label design. Spencer beers have a similar aesthetic.

>>11789957
Too bad bottles are inferior when it comes to protecting and preserving beer. Glass is heavier, allows light to reach the product, and is prone to breakage. You can't bring bottles places where cans are allowed, like the beach. I like the look of some bottles, but rarely buy them.

>>11789815
Sounds like a complete waste of Galaxy and Mosaic.

>>11789972
I love cans for their functional purposes, but as an experience, bottles just look and feel right.
I should also clarify that being charged the same/more for 64oz of beer (4x16) vs 72oz of beer (6x12) is one of the main points I was griping about here >>11789882

>IPAs
>yes, all of them

>>11785790
They're not proper IPAs. An IPA is defined by being hoppy as fuck. Toned down alternatives are just normal pale ales classed as IPAs to let girly men pretend they're into the latest fad (even though it's probably a little passe by now).

>>11786433
All American IPA’s are disgusting, yes.

>>11786687
You cared enough to comment, anon.

>>11786812
This isn't an alckie thread. It's a thread about the flavor, not the effect of drinking too much.

>>11789808
That shit is fucking great.

>>11786828
t. flyover

>2020 - 1
>Still buying into the IPA fad
If you're not onboard the meme stout train yet, there's no hope for you

>>11791698
The places that make the best IPAs also make the best stouts.

>>11789634
Sculpin was confusingly expensive relative to beers of its class from other regions long before BP was bought out

>>11789655
>so what you consider "tasty" is completely subjective
apparently pretty much everyone else agrees with me since thats what everyone is moving toward now. West Coast IPA just wasn't that good inj retrospect

>>11789681
>I truly believe that the reason so many people seem to hate IPAs is that they don't understand that you need to drink them fresh (I'm looking at you, flyovers)
What the fuck does this possibly have to do with flyovers?

>>11785808
Ballast point makes godawful ipas, every one of them

>>11793504
pretty much quintessential California IPA though

>>11786433
/thread

>>11793456
They aren't getting fresh shit (if at all) unless they have a beer exchange hook up, and because they aren't used to hop forward beers most of them aren't educated on how important bottling date is.

>>11793573
Dude, do you not even know what the term flyover means? Like it is genuinely odd that you think this is a thing

>>11793538
Yes, it fits the style, and is well known, but like Lagunitas it's just a decent example. Stone, Green Flash, AleSmith, Port (and even fucking Pizza Port), Bear Republic, RRBC are all better.

>>11793586
I lived in Chicago for 2 years. I know what the beer culture is like out there.

>>11793592
Chicago literally has the most breweries of any city in the country, and Chicago was a little late to the game relative to its neighbors, it is still behind Michigan, Wisconsin and Minnesota beerwise. You really have no idea what you are talking about. The upper midwest has a really good argument for the best access to the widest variety of top beer anywhere, your post is just super confusing

>>11793573
>>11789681
>>11793592
You've triggered the WIDF, you can look forward to hours of "if you perceive the flyover states differently from how the WIDF brochure portrays it you are obviously trolling and/or insane and have never set foot in America, which you obviously want to destroy"

Midwestern alcohol culture is trash btw. You're 100% correct.

>>11793649
>say factually wrong thing

>haha, I trigger you

>>11793649
Wasn't that shooting committed by a coastie?

>>11793663
It's factually correct to say midwestern alcohol ''''culture''''' is based on what the local hayseeds think ought to be consumed by a "regular normal guy". If you deviate from that in any way you'll be instantly Matt Sheparded.
>>11793672
No, he was a Wisconsin resident but born in some equivalent nearby flyover state.

>>11793687
haha, the midwest has bad drinking culture?

>>11793690
It's based on quantity, much like the overall food culture. "A lot" means good. If you start nitpicking over too many details or if you appreciate things that aren't what "the bros" like, it makes you a fucking faggot elitist hipster who is obviously just putting on airs.

>>11793690
Just because they drink a lot doesn't mean there's necessarily any culture involved.

>>11793698
haha, what are you talking about?

>>11793699
Maybe bring this in a thread about craft vodka or some shit, but in a beer thread? Thats pretty out of place

>>11793705
That's an easy one to answer. My opinions differ from your own, so I'm obviously trolling and/or insane. Nobody could possibly experience the Midwest for what it is, and come to a different set of conclusions than a local might have developed from living there his entire life. I mean who needs perspective, right? Frames of reference are obviously just a hipster plot to make me look uncultured.

>>11793713
>say factually wrong things but insist they are actually opinions
Do you just not understand the difference between opinions and facts? You can't just say actual things aren't true because you don't want to believe them

>>11793713
Why are you so obsessed with getting mad at flyover?

>>11793713
>Nobody could possibly experience the Midwest for what it is
the best beer region in the world?

>>11793687
>If you deviate from that in any way you'll be instantly Matt Sheparded
The guy from Mass Effect?

>>11793687
I've lived in the midwest and south and while your description fits a lot of areas of the south, not so much for the midwest. Much of the south is literally 100 years behind even other flyover regions.

>>11793832
He is just a guy that had a traumatic childhood in Minnesota that he blames on white people rather than his parents for some reason and now hates the upper midwest with delusional fervor. He has spent a lot of time building up layers of fake things describing the midwest and it seems like he may actually believe some of it at this point. Like if you weren't used to seeing his posts and complied the stuff he says it would genuinely be pretty funny in an absurdist sort of way if he didn't act so seriously

>>11785790
It's more expensive. Is it superior? no.

>>11793951
Minnesota is actually the best of the flyover states. Maybe not the best beer, but the people aren't as retarded as the surrounding areas. Just saying.

>>11794548
Too bad it's turning into Mogadishu.

>>11794568
Eh, from my experience the Somalis pretty much keep to themselves, like Indians (if you've ever lived near an Intel).

Every single one of these I've had are just lychee bombs. But tasting notes never mention this. Seems like a scam.

>>11789815
based kern county bro

>>11794576
Indians get killed immediately if they set foot in flyover country. It’s a no-go zone unless you’re a member of the “American” (sic) race.

>>11787947
upper cape checking in (although my IPA life is off-cape in canton or everett, if you know what i mean)

>>11796621
>canton
Trillium might just be the best, most innovative brewery in the united states

>>11791698
Meme stouts are old news.

how long have you guys been at this?

I decided to try and expand my palate, read 100 pages ons night into randy moshers tasting beer and tried one, but I couldn't get any aromatic or flavor associations to appear

I tried it on westmalle dubbel and brewdog jackhammer, only had associations after I resorted to review reading

>>11797646
You have to have both tried a lot of flavours outside of beer, and experience how they present in beer to be able to describe any associations well.

>>11785790
Devil's Purse. Fog Signal. Does it get any gayer than this?

as if any of it could compare to PBR!

>>11797741
NE style is basically IPA for homosexuals.

>>11785790
Ever tried Devil's Purse Kolsch? It's not bad out of a can but a lot of bars around me have it on tap and it's amazing. I've been to Köln and it tastes very similar to the Kolsch they serve there. Very refreshing beverage

A friend showed me this ipa and I really enjoyed it. What else is similar to this?

>>11798074
Where are you from for starters?

>>11797741
Devils purses are just shark eggs.

>>11797741
>>11797825
Found some masculine beer for straight men such as yourselves.

>>11798080
NY but living in Montreal

>>11797825
>NE style is basically IPA for homosexuals.
you are thinking of wine

>>11798086
lol this reminds me of pic related

>>11798385
to be fair all wine should actually be sold in cans, its a much better format

>>11798086
I just ND'd onto my friend, but I think that beer made up for it.

>>11798394
Maybe, they'd have to design ones to let in more air though.

It's much more advantageous to have beer in a can as it's more susceptible to sunstrike plus certain styles are very sensitive to oxidation.

>>11798429
glass is just so heavy and fragile, and cylinders are so much better for shipping than bottles.
In both beer and wine glass only persists because of tradition and marketing

>>11798385
I'm guessing it will taste like bitter shit and stain your teeth.

>>11798442
While I agree with you, there are a very small percentage of wines that are age-worthy and cans don't provide good closure to let in enough air.

>>11798442
beer from a bottle tastes better than beer from a can

>>11799255
Nah.

>>11789681
>A style of beer explicitly created to have a long shelf life
>Needs to be had fresh

>>11799788
This has already been explained. You don't NEED to have it fresh but you WANT to if you want the full experience. nice and squeezy man boobs

>>11799788
>west coast/san diego ipas were explicitly created to have a long shelf life

>>11799255

>>11799255

>>11785790
I really like Fresh Squeezed from Deschutes and Citrus Mistress from Hop Valley. Those are usually my go-tos for IPAs nowadays when I'm buying from the store.
Both are citrusy but not overkill. Very smooth for me.

yes