/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>11761707
Not at all

>>11761707
I can't really find any good sources saying that's what happens. It mostly seems to be from weight loss sites and people saying that's why they haven't lost weight yet. It doesn't really sound plausible and seems like it might be what overweight people tell each other about why they haven't lost any weight while dieting.

It should be easy enough to test. Just don't eat for a day or two and see if you've lost weight.

/fit/ here, it's accurate if you drink a fuck ton of water while cutting calories.

Water retention, innit

>>11761707
i'm fairly sure fat cells dont store water

>>11761707
kinda real
https://www.nature.com/articles/0802296

You can eat less for a a couple weeks, not lose any weight, then suddenly piss away 5+ lbs

>>11761807
So... do drink lots of water and be patient, or cut back?

What the fuck is this trying to say? That you temporarily GAIN weight while cutting because of water weight until a magic amount of time passes? That's unequivocally untrue.

>>11761807
>>11762058
/fa/ here, eat nothing and drink a fuck ton of water to trick your body into thinking you're not hungry

>>11762113
>/fa/ here
Was this supposed to give your insight validity?

>>11762127
not him but /fa/ has a long time general about being anorexic and being sub 17 bmi

>>11762127
They're a bunch of aneorexic literal homos obsessed with body image, if I'm gonna take anyone's word about weight loss it'll probably be theirs.

>>11762205
This. Like it or not, I'd listen to them over /ck/

>>11762058
Just drink water. I work at a desk and there's a cooler nearby so I just always drink and always pee. Best time to weigh yourself is in the morning after you go to the bathroom since you'll naturally be dehydrated from not drinking in your sleep.

Try it for yourself. Weigh yourself before bed and then in the morning and you'll see a difference.

>>11762232
Dropped 90lbs over a year and then have kept it off for the last year. But I've still got that like last 15lbs of fluff I want gone, so I'll try the eat Jack shit and drink approach.

>>11762205
/fa/ body goals are probably much less likely to result in a heart attack or athritis

>>11762256
Its called intermittent fasting
Theres actual science backing it too

>>11762315
I tried to do the alternating days intermittent fast and when I woke up after the fasting day I was always nauseated, had trouble standing up for long periods of time and had to sit or lie down constantly, my heart rate was racing even while resting, I don't know how people do fasts.

>>11761707
I mean, fluid retention is real. But I'm pretty sure that it's a result of eating massive amounts of salt in your diet rather than losing weight. It was how they did the fat scenes in that abomination calling itself an Oldboy remake. Actual actor is pretty /fit/ but he loaded so much sodium in his diet that he ballooned up from all the fluid his body was holding onto and it makes him look a bit schlubby (if you don't look at his face and ignore the muscles on his arms). I think he gained and lost something like 40 pounds in a matter of weeks during filming.

>>11762921
The same way people run marathons
Its conditioning

You gotta get over the big hump before your body acclimates

>>11762205
No no he said /fa/ you are thinking of /fit/

>>11762084
you're 400 lbs, dont talk about things u dont know

>>11762084
retard

>>11762205
kek too true

>>11761707
It's called the Whoosh Effect

>>11762959
What the fuck

>>11761707
>water in fat cells
??

>>11761707
The only thing I could find that was related was a doctor saying that some fat does turn into water before being flushed out by the body, but 80% of fat loss is actually from it turning into carbon dioxide and being exhaled through the lungs. So maybe some fat loss doesn't seem as apparent until the body flushes out the extra water, but it's not enough to actually make you gain weight. Anything else is just people repeating some unknown source and no scientific study saying that you gain weight before losing it due to water retention.

>>11761707
>fat cells refill with water when you burn the fat
Do they even have schools in USA?

>>11763924
There's some truth to it but not to the extent the image implies.

>>11761707
totally not true
>cells are packets
>when the packets are empty of one thing, something else can fill it up

what about any imbalances from the water? youre going to tell me that cells that build up triglycerides, or any glyceride, are going to naturally replace the space with water? why would they do that?

fourth year pharm student, youd get fucking LAUGHED at if you proposed this in class

>>11762921
Low blood pressure, drink saltwater

>>11762921
Sounds like electrolyte imbalance

>>11764395
This. Retarded mom science bullshit. Bro science too since the /fit/ guy said it's true

That is not what a 180 pound body looks like

>>11764395
Even if it did, triglycerides weigh more than water anyway.

>>11761707
Not at all. When you cut calories below maintenance level, your body first burns glycogen which is rouhly 4/5ths water by weight, so the first weight you lose is mostly water. Glycogen is stored in the liver and muscles, not in fat cells. You have to burn through the glycogen first, and only then will your body start burning substantial amounts of fat. You need to stick to the diet until you are 10-15 lbs below your target weight. When you quit the weight loss diet and go onto your permanent maintenance diet, your body will quickly replenish its stores of glycogen (together with 4x as much water), and you will wind up at the right weight.

>>11764913
>the /fit/ guy
He is a lone dumbass, he doesn't represent the entire board

>>11763335
Over consumption of sodium causes your body to hold onto fluid. He ate so much sodium that his body retained massive amounts of fluid. He got puffy.

If you ever watch one of those reality shows like Biggest Loser, this is also why the first week's weight drop is usually something stupid like 50 pounds. They're sweating out all their extra water weight and the new diet isn't making them retain as much.

>tfw you lose four pounds of water weight in one day

>>11766785
How tall are you jfc

>>11766799
6’1

>>11766785
Probably just not measuring correctly

>>11761788
You don't think adipose cells take forever to die off? They die off after like 4-5 years, which is why everyone puts their weight right back on after they stop dieting.

>>11766817
Everything you just said is bullshit

>>11762959
>Actual actor is pretty /fit/ but he loaded so much sodium in his diet that he ballooned up from all the fluid his body was holding
Right...

>>11766814
I use the same scale and calibrate and take multiple measurements every time. It’s pretty accurate.

>>11766822
Do you measure in the morning after going to the bathroom but before eating or drinking anything?

>>11766820
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adipocyte
>If the adipocytes in the body reach their maximum capacity of fat, they may replicate to allow additional fat storage.
>Adipocyte number remained at the elevated level achieved during the period of weight gain.
>the amount is usually constant in adults
Yeah, no. You're full of shit who thinks being fat is OK because you can just lose it LMAO. Enjoy being fat for life.

>>11766826
Yeah that’s exactly what I do. I’ve gained and lost weight a hundred times I know what I’m doing. I just ate like 16 biscuits and sausage gravy the day and a half before that first weight so I was retaining a lot of water

>>11766829
>who thinks being fat is OK because you can just lose it
where the fuck are you getting that from

>>11766785
Yeah that's not hard at all for anyone who drinks a healthy amount of water, then suddenly stops.

>>11766829
>thinking you missinterpreting a Wikipedia article trumps my medical education

>>11766832
You said it was bullshit that I said the following
>adipose cells take forever to die off
>it's easy to put all the weight you lose from "dieting" if you have a lot of those cells
Both of which are facts which you somehow have a problem with. Thus I conjecture that you're fat and take issue with the idea that your weight loss journey is going to be hard as fuck.

>>11766842
What backwater medical school did you go to where they didn't talk about adipose tissue? I suggest you stay in India or the Philippines or wherever the fuck.

>>11766843
i'm not the poster you originally responded to, that just seemed like you were pulling it out of nowhere. i'm pretty sure most people put weight back on because they think they can just temporarily diet and then go back to eating how they did before instead of making permanent healthy changes.

>>11766845
Imagine being borderline illiterate but thinking your Google MD means you actually get to talk like an adult.

>>11766846
Nah, if your adipose cells multiply, you're going to be more able to easily fill them up and they pretty much don't die unless you fast or expose yourself to the cold.

>>11766852
>imagine knowing less than a supposedly illiterate googler

>>11765736
/fit/ is Broscience: The Board. Everyone recycles the classic memes "8-12 reps bro" and "you NEED 1g of protein per pound of bodyweight bro" without being familiar with ANY of the recent research (meaning published within the last 10 years) done into hypertrophy, if they're familiar with any at all.

The thing is, even though broscience is demonstrably wrong, it doesn't really matter because gaining muscle is extremely simple: get protein, lift heavy shit, increase weight of heavy shit, repeat. And as long as you repeat, you're basically guaranteed gains. If you want an extra 5% or 10%, then the details make a difference, but only if you want that extra 5%.

>>11767293
>t. Global warming believer

>>11767330
>green text make me smrt

>>11767293
>/fit/ is stupid because they give advice that is slightly more detailed because they want to maximize their potential
>yeah their advice WORKS but ONLY like 5% better than my advice, so they're fucking stupid

>>11767362
You have poor reading comprehension. They're stupid because they want to maximize their potential without knowing what actually maximizes potential. 8-12 reps doesn't maximize hypertrophy at all.

>>11761807
>>11762113
/pol/ here

don't trust jews

>>11767369
Depends what body type you are going for genius.

>>11767374
You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Rep ranges alone have almost zero effect on "body type." The only effect, controlling for volume, is that low rep ranges (about 5 or less) elicit a bit less hypertrophy while increasing strength more. That's it. 8-12 doesn't make any difference to anything.

>>11761794
its a chemical reaction,
pic related is what happens.

>>11761807
the water does not enter your fat cells. cells do not work that way

>>11761979
Fat cells aren't pure fat
>>11762058
You goal should be to lose fat, not just weight. Water weight doesn't cause the same problems (misshapen body, health issues, etc) of excess fat

>>11766785
This is me on keto. At least half a pound STAYS off every day too. Its scary how fast you can lose weight when you stay dedicated to it and stay busy in general so you aren't tempted to fuck up.

since ive quit drinking ive been smoking way more and every night i have the munchies and end up plowing down an extra two giant slices of pizza i have stuffed in my fridge. the rest of my diet mostly consist of bean and rice burritos or annies soups+hempseed for breakfast and lean cusiense or shitty kelogs protein bars at work

>>11767593
That's a lot of carbon and hydrogen.

>>11767850
4u

>>11766829
that doesn't mean what you seem to think it means. how old are you kid?

>>11767371
based

>>11766817
>>11766829
>>11766843

>which is why everyone puts their weight right back on after they stop dieting.

I lost 20kg in 5 months 2 years ago, from 100kg to 80kg, and I havent gain a single kg since then (usually shifting between 78/81kg depending on season) even though I eat normally and sometimes not very healthy.
Your head is full of doo-doo and your mouth is full of poo-poo. Also, you are an african and a sodomite.

>>11766785
me after taking a dump

>>11766817
Ether bait or retarded.
I lost 90lb 2 years ago. Never gained any back these are just excuses for people that are to lazy to eat well and exercise.

>>11762272
>muh arthritis
Lifting weight is good for you, being a skinny fag with AIDS isn't.

just carve out the water with a knife

>>11768333
trips confirm based post for based

>>11767371
/co/ here
trust the jews

>>11761707
When you store fat the fat cells grow and your body makes extra fat cells if it needs them.
When you lose weight the fat cells reduce in size but they never dissapear. Your body does not eject empty fat cells.

>>11761979
They do.

>>11762231
made me lol
I'd bet money that most people on /ck/ are chubby like me
6ft 100kg

>>11761707
This is how i have been losing the last of my fat, intially i dropped 70lbs super quick, but now im getting closer and closer to my ideal weight the weightloss appears in chunks, for example i will go 2 - 3 weeks and my weight will remain stable then over the course of 3 - 4 days i will lose 5lb. The only way i have been able to explain this is fat cells taking on water, the only way you can drop weight in that short space of time is with water, why else would the body retain water for no reason at the same time as dropping fat, the only explanation that links weightloss and water retention is fat cells.

>>11771412
All cells have certain life expectancy. Maybe when old not needed fat cells die, body doesn't create new ones?

>>11762113
I get super hunger pangs when I make water my only thing

>>11771422
>6ft 100kg
>chubby
You're obese my friend.
t. 5'11 85kg

>>11771422
>tfw 5'10" manlet 112kg

>>11771507
>obese
Nah, I'm a solid unit though, work in the mountains

>>11767800
Keto is for faggots. you’re gonna gain it all back lmao. see a therapist about self control it’ll be better for you in the long run. dieting is a short term solution, not a lifestyle

>>11766785
>in one day
that was more likely a strong bowel movement.
the first weight obese shits lose when dieting is literal shit in their intestine from ingesting more fibers.

This is the red pill:

1. This is true: check Lyle Mcdolands commentary on the "woosh" effect. This is more accurate for females than males, but it absolutely exists within the realm of scientific literature.

2. I didn't read the replies, but ill just say this:
Calories in / Calories out hypothesis is true, however there are a variety of lifestyle factors, dietary intake, and general lifestyle factors that can skew the hypothesis.

More specifically:
Circadian entrainment
Inflammatory foods
Adequate sleep

These three things can skew the calories in / calories out model for better or worse.

If you are looking for deeper information google Bill (william) Lagakos.

Pic related, its me.

The phenomenon is real, but that picture doesn't describe how it works
It's called "The Whoosh"

>>11771637
>factors that can skew the hypothesis
nothing skews the FACT Calories in / Calories out
That stuff only skews the amount of Calories out

>>11771496
Dead fat cells get replaced.

>>11766829
You're getting btfo dude

Fake and gay

>>11767593
This chemical reaction doesn't imply that the water products are automatically filled and retained in the fat cells. The water could just as easily be expelled.

>>11766863
>expose yourself to cold
Uh..sleeping in colder environments promotes the accumulation of brown fatty tissue. So, the opposite of what you said.