/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>11719466
the holidays fucked me and I'm having trouble getting back on board.
t. doomed to be fat

>milk bad
>dairy good

>>11719466
this shit is stupid, just eat less, LITERALLY EAT LESS

>>11719480

milk is high in sugar. a lot of dairy products are not.

>>11719480
Yeah that's kind of dumb, and so is saying fruit is bad for you. I wonder if it's a kind of denial thing, because nobody who switched to the keto diet first became overweight by eating too much fruit, so it's easier to blame all carbs instead of their own overeating.

>>11719496

i dont think anyone is saying fruit is bad for you, just that its bad for keto. i eat keto and ill eat some berries occasionally but i stay away from super high sugar fruits like mango or pineapple. no one is saying they are unhealthy just not good for this diet.

>>11719487
This. You're losing weight because you can't eat all the stuff that tastes good. A reduced-calorie diet would work just as well.

>>11719506

weight loss isnt the only reason to do keto, there a lot of other benefits

>>11719487
Did you read the OP before you got upset?

>>11719504
Eh there might be some more moderate people on the diet but there are plenty who demonize carbs and treat them like a mortal enemy of humanity.

>>11719521
This is why I'm doing it. But at the moment I'm having to eat spoonfuls of coconut oil at the end of the day to prevent excessive weightloss, and I don't feel too nice after meals. Eating a big bowl of vegetables twice a day sucks.

>>11719543

just up your protein. you can stay in ketosis without slamming only fats.

>>11719496
Fruit contains 50% fructose. The evil HFCS contains 45-55% fructose depending on the variant. Yet HFCS is bad for you because of the fructose, but fruit is good for you because {{{reasons}}}.

>>11719466
Doing fine. Got off keto during the holidays and bowl game season, got back into ketosis the 3rd. Just had a bowl of olives and some brie to start a 7 day fast to burn off any weight gain from the holiday festivities. Looking forward to it.

>>11719770

the fiber slows down the rate of absorption so it's not a massive spike.

>>11719770
I don't think the problem with HFCS is that it's half fructose but that it's added to so many things in large quantities. There's other stuff in fruit aside from sugar anyway, so it's not a good comparison. It's a lot harder to overeat on fruit compared to drinking too much soda.

>>11719872
A) That isnt the problem with fructose. Maybe you were responding to the wrong post ?
B) slowing the absorption rate lowers the height of the spike, but lengthens its duration, which is worse. One reason the asians used to have such low diabetes rates despite a high-rice diet is they ate a low-fiber low-protein low-fat diet - all of these combined with carbs will slow absorption of the carbs and flatten out the blood sugar spike. And when they became wealthier and could afford these dietary niceties their diabetes rates skyrocketed. China has a higher per-capita rate of diabetes than even the US, they passed the US in 2012 or so.

>>11719922
So fruit is healthier because it is less conveniently packaged? That's your argument?

>>11719925
Yes my argument is an easily refuted word salad.

>>11719923
>slowing the absorption rate lowers the height of the spike, but lengthens its duration, which is worse
That sounds backwards

> all of these combined with carbs will slow absorption of the carbs and flatten out the blood sugar spike.
So eating purely low fiber carbs reduces sugar/insulin spikes? What?

>>11719923
>One reason the asians used to have such low diabetes rates despite a high-rice diet is they
were more active and not overweight*

>>11719934
>That sounds backwards
Because it is and he's just pulling stuff out of his ass now. Fruit will give slow and steady energy while a soda will make you crash within an hour. Saying a soda is better than fruit with the same amount of sugar goes against pretty much every study and consensus done on fruit and sugar.

>>11719586
I don't want to be eating a ton of meat though. Anything that's not dirty, poisoned, tortured factory shit is like $10 a pound. Trying to get my protein from eggs and it feels crappy

>doing a diet that makes your body mimic one benefit of fasting rather than just fasting

>>11719984
The essential idea is that most carbohydrates are detrimental to the body when consumed as a primary source of calories

>>11719934
Fiber slows the absorption of sugars. So does protein and fat, oddly enough. A fast spike allows a fast response, insulin spikes, sugar drops, insulin drops, hours go by, next meal it repeats. With a slower absorption the sugar spike and resulting insulin spike are lower, but last longer, so your insulin doesnt have time to drop before you eat your next meal. Because it's always elevated, your body starts becoming resistant to it. Yes it sounds backward, but it's because the lengthening the duration of low insulin/low sugar periods are more important than reducing the amplitude of high sugar/insulin spikes. Google "insulin index" for some eye-opening research from the last decade. 200kcal of beans caused 1/3 the insulin response over a 4 hr period as 160kcal beans+40kcal fat, even though 40kcal of fat consumed by itself has essentially 0 insulin response.

>>11720006
Will do, thanks

>>11720006
>so your insulin doesnt have time to drop before you eat your next meal.
Doesn't this comparison assume that calories are consumed at regular and even intervals? Wouldn't the person who had the stronger insulin spike be then prompted by hunger to eat or snack again, sooner? And the other person, later?

>>11719795
What's your usual diet look like? Why don't you feel like shit

>>11720051
Not really. But eating three meals per day is close enough to "regular even intervals" to cause problems, more so if you have a snack before bed. You can eat a carby fatty meal and as long as you wait long enough before your next meal for your insulin to drop and stay down for awhile, you'll be fine.
>prompted by hunger to eat or snack again, sooner
Possibly. Though hunger isnt as simple as that, it's a hormonal sensation, and there are hundreds of hunger/satiety hormones that are made in different circumstances. Some of them purely mental and so subject to pavlovian conditioning, if you eat lunch at noon every day you'll soon feel hungry at noon every day, regardless of your blood sugar or whether you've had a snickers at 11am.

>>11720101
I felt like shit over the holidays actually, cake, cookies, dressing, chips and dip, etc. It was fun being with family though, and eating the family favorites again. It just made me feel like shit afterwards, I had forgotten how bad that post-feast feeling was, it isnt just Thanksgiving it's any high-carb binge like that. Getting back on keto again after the new years games were over was a huge relief.

>>11719480
Dairy products generally consume their milk sugar (lactose) in the process of being created. There are lactose free cheeses, for example

>>11720006
>Now white bread is good for you
Science sucks

>>11720006

Help I can't stop eating cheese and salami
I'm going to end up broke

>>11720268
>salami
Sodium nitrite

>>11720138
I also reneged over Christmas. I felt fine. I've gotta hork down a head of broccoli in like 15 minutes and I'm not looking forward to it. Some white rice sounds pretty good right now.

All these vegetables give me stomach aches

I shouldn't have eaten those two kiwi fruits right after a big salad. My stomach is fucking killing me

Fucking god damn it this hurts. I've gotta stop trying to do keto and intermittent fasting at the same time. I just can't digest that amount of vegetables in that time frame

Fucking christ OW

I can't stop farting and there is a strong odor of shit and intestines hovering in the air and under my covers but I can't open the window because it's freezing outside.

>>11719487
>>11719506
FUCK OFF!
SO FUCKING TIRED OF YOUR DUMB SHIT!
YOU WON'T EVER CONVINCE ANYONE, BECAUSE YOU'RE THE IDIOTS!
Now get lost. go back to your vegan thread or whatever... ignore these threads and go do something useful.
>inb4 it will still start an argument with the same old 1000x refuted shit.
see above

>>11719533

>>11721022
Then why is anorexia such an effective weight loss method?

>>11719478
FAST FAST FAST FAST
>>11719487
>what is insulin

>>11719466
Keto is more efficient and even easier if you activate your almonds by fasting.

>>11719770
b...but...they both have fructose in the name...dey da SAAAME!

>>11719466
Go Vegan

>>11719466
>>11721860

I'm not a delusional ketard so I feel great. I'm running a 500 calorie deficit on top of daily workouts and the number on the scale keeps going down. Lots of fish and lean poultry, unrefined carbs, and 8-10 servings of fruit and veggies per day.

I'm having trouble cutting out carbs from my sides. I've easily dropped added sugars and carbs from main dishes, but so many sides are dependent on "body" foods like rice, noodles or potatoes I'm having trouble removing them. Tonight all I'm having for instance is steamed broccoli, but I'm having trouble making a real meal. Any advice or recipes?

>>11722127
>sides
I usually just eat the broccoli. Cooking is already too much work

>>11722127
You could always try to eat a balanced and healthy diet rather than struggling to adhere to an unhealthy meme.

I've been eating "mediterannean" style for about 5 years now. It's a little healthier than keto.

Basically, I eat more carbs from vegetables than standard keto. IMO, it's worked pretty well. My blood pressure is low. Cholesterol is low. And overall healthier then I've ever been.

>>11722156
There's something going on with that guy. Unlike Cosby he seems like a real creep from the get go.

>>11722156
did he rape someone or just sound science?

>>11722149
ha, ha, ha. Hilarious, derailing one-liner there, chap. How about next time you actually bother to contribute some information to the thread. Even if it's just one thing, instead of nothing at all like you just did.

>>11719480
Milk has IGF-1 which negatively feeds back on GH. Also, >sugar …

>>11719487
… Keto is fun, and hypoglycemia is an example, with increased sensations and appetites.

>>11719975
A). Protein powder, vitamins, minerals, and muscular stimulation signals for sustained / increased musculature. Losing fat is OK. For dudes, 5% *feels* really great; and for women, potentially stopping menstruation suggests a much more healthy and youthful existence.

… Plus much greater hormone balances and fat placement (if you're muscular enough for even distribution), and thus overall more controlled personality traits and behaviors.

B). >>11721102

>>11722173
>There's something going on with that guy. Unlike Cosby he seems like a real creep from the get go.

When you're a powerful black celebrity, you can literally get away with anything in Hollywood. White cowards are too scared to say anything for fear of being labeled "racist."

Hell, it took Cosby 30 years of raping over 40 women to finally get caught.

Now, that's PRIVELIGE

>>11722177

3 Women with solid proof. Several others are just accusations so far.

No idea what he's thinking. The black girl he raped looks literally like a troll.

>>11719795
>>11719984
Fasting is surpassed by getting enough protein (and most sources are only being digested for up to 8hrs.). Nitrogen positivity is a metric of anabolism.

>>11720006
That's ludicrous …

1c. of carrots is 50 Cals. (7.2g net carbs – 28.8 Cals.).
1c. of apples is 65-95 Cals. depending on how it's prepared (13.3g @ 53.2 Cals., to 19.4g @ 77.6).
… 1c. pinto beans is 245 Cals. (29.4g @ 117.6), and some protein sources are insulin-responsive also.

>>11722258
>When you're a powerful black celebrity, you can literally get away with anything in Hollywood. White cowards are too scared to say anything for fear of being labeled "racist."

Kendrik Lammarr raped some chick and he's the hottest star in hollywood right now.

R Kelly is literally still fucking underaged 13 year old girls openly... where anybody else would have been arrested for statutory rape long agao.

Ce Lo Green has like a list of chicks he raped on his tour bus.

Ditto with Nas and his "rape tour bus".

>>11722258
>>11722270
>>11722322
>see OP
>keto diet thread
>scroll down
>shit-flinging about black people
Truly the greatest cancer

>>11722322

Yeah. WTF is R Kelly still free? Hell, even Dave Chappelle knew what R Kelley was doing with underage kids 20 years ago and even made a comedy routine out of it.

Whatever happened to #MeeToo?

>>11722394
>Rape is ok as long as the rapist is "disadvantaged" black, because they're disadvantaged

WTF kind of retarded logic is this shit? You white people are fucking irrational and ignorant as fuck.

>Started Keto
>Started Intemitting fasting

Lose 8kg in 3 weeks

>>11722417
>start any healthy diet
>eat in moderation
Lose x weight in y time. Let's not pretend your memefaggotry is special.

>>11722417
>Start water fasting + snake juice
>Put in two hours on the exercise bike a day
>lose 23 lbs in one weak almost none of which was water weight
Wow

>>11722410
what? I’m just pointing out that you retards have derailed the thread. Put those ham fists away, schizo

>>11722258

Bottom right chick is pretty hawt. Neil D Tyson's got better taste than Cosby at least.

Not strictly keto-related, but this seems like the best thread to ask:
I'm lazy and won't cook if I have leftovers. Often I won't even bother heating the leftovers, and will just stand over my counter eating sliced ham or something from a container. However, I frequently do not have enough leftover vegetables to match with my leftover proteins, and I feel like I should be eating more vegetables.
What are some very quick/easy vegetable dishes with which I could supplement the meats? Obviously I could just eat handfuls of raw broccoli/spinach/etc with it, but I'd prefer something a little more composed if possible.

>>11722251
>infertility is a healthy existance
As a keto roastie, this is a sign that a woman needs to eat more. Low bf is not good (neither is beeing a lard ass). Go be anorexic somewhere else. We don't want to become genetic dead ends.

>>11722731
Whites are already dead ends. Move over it's brown time now.

>do alternate day fasting (which is really closer to a 30 hour fast
>it works
WWOOOOAAHH

>>11722731
publicar foto de pies

>>11722731
Post feet

i'm not fat but i used to do IF keto using a diy soylent recipe

but i fell off the wagon and stopped working out and now i have no discipline

i require shame

also i can't find my homoerotic fitspo

>>11722149
> >>11721102

>>11722731
That's basically appealing to tradition. PS: "I'm using up eggs for nothing" is much more (figuratively) "dangerous" (it's actually possible producing more eggs) to fertility than BF-%s and proper hormone amounts (particularly evidenced in that milk prevalently produced ovulations near in timing across women).

There are stark contrasts between "anorexic" and muscular 5%-BF. It's huge for female testosterone, which is associated with hugely great sensations, libido, and orgasm.

>>11722449
Keto is though.

No milk or beans? Damn, that'll be tough. How the fuck do you eat majority fat?