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11643354 No.11643354[DELETED]  [Reply] [Original]

americans explain yourself

>> No.11643367

Americans are subhuman vermin who need to be put in holocaust torture farms and be broadcasted 24/7 worldwide

>> No.11643380

>>11643354
Tipping is like a religion thing, we are all guilted into doing it and even though most don't believe in the cause they keep doing it for appearances

>> No.11643398

>>11643354
that's just a cuck. I guarantee you no one thinks this.

>> No.11643402

>tfw never tip

>> No.11643404

>>11643354
Imagine if other jobs worked that way.

>> No.11643406

>>11643380
I believe in doing it because it saves everybody money due to the way taxes are calculated here. And no, I'm not talking about servers under-reporting tips.

>> No.11643407

>>11643354
it's a product of capitalism. "tip" jobs pay below minimum wage hourly and require no actual job skills so this is the capitalistic way of dealing with it. your waitress has to earn her paycheck from thirsty betas and won't be getting a hand out from an actual, productive company.

>> No.11643408

>>11643398
almost every women ever does this

>> No.11643412

>>11643406
>I believe in doing it because it saves everybody money due to the way taxes are calculated here
Um, no it doesn't. If anything it enables massive tax fraud and thereby costs us honest taxpayers money

>> No.11643417

>>11643407
the capitalistic way would not to have a minimum wage at all

>> No.11643423

>>11643407
Except that every single state has a law dictating that if tips don't accumulate to reach the minimum wage wait staff must be paid the minimum wage instead.

>> No.11643430

>>11643423
yes, and that employee will be fired the next month for not performing. there's plenty of failed instagram models to take her place.

>>11643417
potentially driving society to anarchy and suicide rules out that option, it would not be productive

>> No.11643435

>>11643412
>Um, no it doesn't.
Sure it does. I'm guessing you've never hired someone in the USA before and are ignorant. That's OK, I'll explain.

In the USA you will get various taxes deducted from your pay. For example, medicare/medicaid, social security, etc. What you probably aren't aware of is that your employer also has to pay those same taxes too. Your wages are taxed twice: once that you pay, and once that your employer also pays. For example, suppose you earn $1000 and your taxes are about 30%. Your pay stub shows $1000 earnings, $300 taxes, and you take home $700. That's only half the story. In total, your $700 paycheck cost the owner of the business $1300 total because they also have to pay that same $300 in taxes that you paid.

Tips, when reported on your 1040, are only taxed once, not twice. Because they are only taxed once then less expenditure is needed from the customer to put the same amount of money in the server's pocket. To continue with our previous example of a 30% tax rate, with tipping it costs $1.30 to put $1 in the employee's pocket. With wages it costs $1.60 for them to take home that same $1 at the end of the day.

>> If anything it enables massive tax fraud
I wasn't talking about tax fraud. I was talking about what happens if everything is 100% by the book.

>> No.11643437

>>11643430
>they will be fired for underperforming
That's not my problem. They're wait staff, they're infinitely replaceable.

>> No.11643440

>>11643430
>potentially driving society to anarchy and suicide
Thats some bullshit leftwing justification. There is no evidence that minimum wage laws are good

>> No.11643441

>>11643430
>yes, and that employee will be fired the next month for not performing. there's plenty of failed instagram models to take her place.
What's the problem with that?

>potentially driving society to anarchy and suicide rules out that option, it would not be productive
How does it benefit society to make it illegal to work low-paying jobs? In other words, if I am OK with working job X for $3 an hour and the employer is OK with paying me $3 an hour to do the work then who is being harmed here? It's not slavery, the employee is not being forced to do the work. It's entirely consensual. How does it benefit society to waste law enforcement resources to interfere with a transaction that both myself and my employer have no problems with?

>> No.11643442

Yeah I do this unironically.

It is generally only a difference of a few dollars between 15% and 25%, so I usually just give the extra. It hardly affects me at all and I know it makes them happy.

Unless the service is offensively bad (only happened once or twice), I give 25%+ every time.

If you are the sort of person who likes to quibble over a few bucks, maybe you shouldn't go out to eat. It's much cheaper to eat at home or at a fast-casual restaurant with no waiters (of which there are many, because lots of people understandably fall into that category).

>> No.11643446

>>11643435
So you are saying this is a massive tax credit to sit down restaurants, not requiring them to pay taxes every other sort of business does, and also a prime opportunity for employees to under report earnings and not pay taxes at all on chunks of their income and this is somehow good for me, the taxpayer?

>> No.11643451

>>11643442
sounds like the logic of a person who is bad with money

>> No.11643457

But I'm not bad with money. Giving someone an extra 5 bucks isn't going to send me into the red. I'm not taking out credit card debt to tip people.

>> No.11643459

>>11643437
ok? i was simply explaining how tipping culture fits into capitalism, not sure what your feelings have to do with that

>>11643441
I don't care if they get fired, if they had job skills they wouldn't have this problem. and the point I was trying to make was it's not possible for someone to live off $3/hr in america in modern society. food, housing, insurance, etc - if there was no minimum wage things would devolve very quickly in areas without big mega corps that can afford to pay people living wages, and normies would take to the streets. that would get expensive. it's literally cheaper to have a minimum wage.

>> No.11643467

>>11643457
If you constantly pay more that you need to for thing, you are pretty objectively bad with money

>> No.11643491

>>11643467
Only if your objective is to acquire as much money as possible.

I am a homeowner and I have a substantial amount of savings as well as a property investment. I may not be hedge-fund-manager extrordinaire like you and everyone else on 4chan, but I think I'm at least sufficiently good with money to be able to tip people without the IRS calling me.

>> No.11643498

>>11643491
Give me money please.

>> No.11643502

>>11643354
Giving more than 5 dollars is absurd. If it was a high end restaurant I'd tip because service is usually phenomenal anyways.
Red lobster? Enjoy your 2$ and goodbye

>> No.11643505

>>11643491
>Only if your objective is to acquire as much money as possible
Being good with money generally means not losing the money you have acquired. Giving outrageous tips is generally not a sign of a normal ass middle class lower upper class person, its usually a poorer person who works in the service industry and therefore feels extra guilt towards servers, or a women who doesn't manage the family money and doesn't really have a concept of economics

>> No.11643507

>>11643446
Yes, and yes.

It's good for you because it means the cost of your restaurant meal is lower. It's also good because it means less money is going into government coffers, and I don't care which side of the political fence you are on, I'm sure you agree that the government is doing a fantastic job wasting money, so any little thing which might curtail that spending is a boon.

It's a boon for you, the taxpayer, because it reduces your costs.

>> No.11643511

>>11643380
Then dont fucking tip. I really dont understand how so many weak-willed emotional cumrags are walking around everywhere. If you're against tipping and you're so much of a pussy that you cant stop yourself from tipping then you deserve it. Pay your emotional instability tax everytime you go out to eat.

>> No.11643512

>>11643507
>It's good for you because it means the cost of your restaurant meal is lower.
But it means my overall tax burden is higher
>It's also good because it means less money is going into government coffers
No, it means they are taxing the rest of us disproportionately high. Also there is no evidence that the government having less money prevents them from spending more

>> No.11643519

>>11643511
It's not about emotional instability it's about social consequences since other people you eat with will be mad at you.

>> No.11643521

>>11643511
>Pay your emotional instability tax everytime you go out to eat.
Thats what literally all of us do currently, but really misleading way to phrase it. It has nothing to do with emotional instability, but rather meeting societal expectations. People don't tip primarily out of an emotional state, especially those who think tipping is dumb, they do it out of a cold, calculated state to keep the people around them happy

>> No.11643544

>>11643440
Minimum wage laws are a requirement due to immigration policy and job outsourcing. If companies were forced to actually employ the markets they wish to sell to, there would be an employee's market for jobs and places would have to raise their prices competitively to keep productivity high. Unfortunately they do not because:
>They can ship the jobs to another country without any punishment and remove jobs from the US altogether
>They can let illegal immigrants undercut citizens on employment costs and keep wages suppressed.

The average minimum employment wage would have went up naturally and there would have been no need for legislation without those two things.

>> No.11643547

>>11643512
>But it means my overall tax burden is higher
How so? Do you really think that people are increasing taxes to compensate for reduced revenue from tips? That is laughable in the extreme.

>>No, it means they are taxing the rest of us disproportionately high
Can you give even a single example, of anywhere in the world, where new taxes were created or extant taxes were increased in order to compensate for reduced tax revenue from tips?

>>Also there is no evidence that the government having less money prevents them from spending more
Yet you believe that if they are getting less tax money from one source they must therefore get more tax revenue from elsewhere? Your statements aren't even logically consistent with each other.

>> No.11643550

>>11643430
I've been GM at three very different restaurants now. Here in Texas we have Right to Work. And I've never heard of anyone being fired for "underperforming" or because we had to pay out to meet minimum wage. Underperforming isn't something that warrants a write up if the person is still doing their job. I dont know where you're getting these ideas but no, I cant fire someone just because I'm being forced to bring them up to minimum wage. That puts me as an easy target for a lawsuit that will cost me way more than simply throwing Mikey another $150 to reach minimum wage for the pay period.

>> No.11643553

How much does it cost in US if I want to eat a half pound steak with fries and a 16oz coke?

>> No.11643557

>>11643553
$14.95 unlimited refills on the coke.

>> No.11643559

>>11643547
>Can you give even a single example, of anywhere in the world, where new taxes were created or extant taxes were increased in order to compensate for reduced tax revenue from tips?
Literally Greece.

>> No.11643560

>>11643550
most of the population does not live in right to work areas, consider yourself lucky.

>> No.11643565

>>11643521
>they do it out of a cold, calculated state to keep the people around them happy

so you say. The reason I tip is because it's a social expectation. There is no motivation behind it, it's just habit.

>> No.11643568

>>11643559
Care to be more specific? Can you name the law, or at least cite a relevant article so I can look it up?

>> No.11643571

>>11643446
>>11643507
The mass majority of waitstaff dont make enough money to pay taxes anyways. They'll just get it back on their IRS refund.

>> No.11643573

>>11643505
Who said anything about guilt? What about altruism?

Also my tips are not outrageous, I'm not Robert de Niro tipping 100's to guys for opening doors. I just tip slightly higher than the expected standard because it is a nice thing to do.

I think you suffer from temporarily embarassed millionaire syndrome, buddy.

>> No.11643575

>>11643560
What are you talking about? Most people hate Right to Work because it prevents measures of unionization and gives employers like myself more power in firing people.

>> No.11643577

>>11643547
This is super naive world view, everything adds up. Giving tax credits to restaurants doesn't help me personally unless I spend a disproportionate amount of my money at restaurants

>> No.11643578
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>>11643571
The term is 'vast majority'

>> No.11643582

>>11643573
JUst hand out money to random ass people if you want, i suppose that could be spun as altruism if you have more money than you know what to do with personally. But tipping is 100% guilt based just like religion

>> No.11643583

>>11643568
https://www.dianeosis.org/en/2016/06/tax-evasion-in-greece/

>> No.11643585

>>11643521
Then pay it and stop complaining about something that's clearly your problem. I'm not about to support social change just because of a handful of people that have no agency or self-control.

>> No.11643586

>>11643573
>I just tip slightly higher than the expected standard because it is a nice thing to do
Why don't you just pay more for everything you buy. People working in non-tip centric industries need money too

>> No.11643587

>>11643557
How about a steak and wine in a fancy restaurant?

>> No.11643590

>>11643577
>>calls me naieve, yet can't answer a single one of the questions posed.

>Giving tax credits to restaurants doesn't help me personally
sure it does. If their costs go down then their menu prices go down too. And vice-versa. you think that I am not including that extra taxation when I calculate my menu prices? Lol. It gets thrown into my costs just like my rent, utilities, insurance, and everything else.

>>unless I spend a disproportionate amount of my money at restaurants
Would you rather your restaurant meal costs what it does, or would you rather want it to cost less?

>> No.11643592

>>11643575
sorry I was thinking of at-will employment. either way there's really any material risk firing some because they are a shit waiter, it won't be difficult to find a reason. most people that are in those jobs will never be able to afford to sue someone else, unless it's a cut and dry case because someone like you wasn't careful.

>> No.11643593

>>11643575
because anyone who has ever worked with union people knows its way too fucking hard to fire them and thats bad for everyone

>> No.11643594

>>11643519
Then the people you are eating with are being faggots. If you dont believe in something then dont do it, especially if you're just going to come here to complain about it after you did do it.

>> No.11643599

>>11643585
>Then pay it and stop complaining
What are you even doing here? that is the specific topic of this thread, its not like I am just randomly complaining about it

>> No.11643601

>>11643593
Well yeah that's kind of what I mean. In my OP I pointed that out to further my point that even in a Right to Work state I cant fire someone just for underperforming.

>> No.11643606

>>11643590
>sure it does. If their costs go down then their menu prices go down too
By that logic why don't we give greater tax credits to every business? You are looking at this way too narrowly

>> No.11643608

>>11643583
I'm not talking about tax evasion you dumb fucker. I'm talking about everyone doing things entirely according to the law.

Tax evasion is a different topic entirely.

>> No.11643609

>>11643354
It's a terrible system for several reasons.
>overpays for work performed
Avg tip is 15-20% of the bill for a person to carry plates and refill drinks. Multiply that by many different tables and the hourly wage is far more than a mere unskilled servant deserves
>owner receives more profit than is warranted
By pocketing profits which should be compensating his employees, he's making out like a bandit
>failure to pay taxes
Servants only report a fraction of their tip income
>inb4 the owner will have to increase prices 15 or 20% so it's the same
Nope, the owner will pay what a job like that really deserves which is nothing more than minimum wage, so in fact the price of the meal would be reduced.
>inb4 service will decline
Nope. Service generally sucks now because they know most will mindlessly tip their 15-20% regardless of service. Furthermore, nontipping cultures like Japan and Korea have far superior service on average than the US.

>> No.11643612

>>11643592
It's not worth the risk. Attorneys are free in employment related cases and regardless of how much I pay a lawyer if I dont have anything well documented showing this person not doing his job or not coming to work or on time then itll be ruled in that persons favor for way more money than its take for me to just adjust someone up to minimum wage.

>> No.11643616

>>11643582
Not all religions are guilt based. Personal guilt is an exclusively Western phenomenon. Eastern cultures are more about shame.

It's a societal expectation, and you can rebel against that if you want. Plenty of societal expectations are dumb.

But if you want to use societal services like sit-down restaurants, you should know that people won't like it if you violate those expectations, and they will like you if you exceed them. That's how life works.

Sure, you can go read Nietzche or something and talk about how society sucks and how the world doesn't operate the way to want it to, and that REAL FREE THINKING, GREAT men escew silly notions of giving poor service staff a few extra bucks, but then you would be a werid autist and no one would give a shit about your opinion anyway.

>> No.11643619

>>11643612
>I dont have anything well documented showing this person not doing his job or not coming to work or on time

and this, ladies and gentlemen, is why all the corporate chains "write people up". The whole point is to have documentation to support their case when they fire someone.

>> No.11643622

>>11643354
I don't tip nor do I eat out enough for anyone to remember.

>> No.11643623

>>11643616
>you should know that people won't like it if you violate those expectations, and they will like you if you exceed them
Exactly what I was saying. We are only tipping because we are guilted to do so, and people who tip extra are just desperate to be liked

>> No.11643625

>>11643619
basically this. a careful and meticulous manager could fire a black lesbian for being black and gay and still probably get away with it if they wanted to. especially if the attorney wouldn't be getting a huge reward.

>> No.11643633
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I can't wait until wait staff are replaced by robots and amidst the salty staff crying on social media Americans still tip the robots

>> No.11643635

>>11643553
why do you wånt such a small steak?

>> No.11643637

>tips are a percentage of your bill
>wait staff makes more money if they work at a more expensive establishment despite doing the same identical job that waitstaff at a cheaper establishment does, and they owe their increased earnings to the effort of the chef not themselves

>tips are meant to encourage better service
>come at the end of the meal, so they actually hold little to no influence over service while the meal is ongoing, especially because tips are expected and socially mandated


The only place I ever tip is the family run shawarma place where the cashier is also preparing my food, and he makes a point of giving me extra meat and fresher hotter meat because I do so.

>> No.11643642

>>11643608
>It's good for you because it means the cost of your restaurant meal is lower. It's also good because it means less money is going into government coffers, and I don't care which side of the political fence you are on, I'm sure you agree that the government is doing a fantastic job wasting money, so any little thing which might curtail that spending is a boon.
This applies to tax evation equally.

>> No.11643662

>>11643635
Because I'm european. A 250g steak with a potato side dish is a sufficent meal.

>> No.11643670

>>11643642
>This applies to tax evation equally.
They aren't even comparable. One is legal, the other is not.

>> No.11643671

>>11643635
Also I was comparing it to a similarly sized steak I paid 30€ for the other day.

>> No.11643672

>>11643637
the long and the short of it is society and tech is making us question how the service industry is currently running. it makes no sense to tip a server when I should be able to order my food from a mobile app. so we could get rid of service workers overnight, but there's so many of them it would cause a beta uprising and a massive spike in unemployment.

>> No.11643689

Imagine being full of so much impotent political fury you come to /ck/ to argue about taxes. Fml this thread is like being stuck next to the most insufferable cunt in the family at the christmas dinner table.

>> No.11643691

>>11643662
it’s that 16oz Coke™ that’s making you feel full

>> No.11643696

>>11643689
The only one that appears angry in this thread is you though.

>> No.11643697

>>11643691
Well actually I had water with my steak the other day, but I chose Coke™ so that I would blend in more easily.

>> No.11643710

>>11643587
$46 for the steak, I'll say average $20 a glass. Plus $10 per side.

For reference, I'm using Ruth's Chris as a "fancy restaurant" and not a single-building establishment, since those can be cheaper or incredibly more expensive while still being fancy, but they're location-specific.

>> No.11643712

I understand that it being expected somewhat invalidates the feeling of sincerity, but is there really a problem with the custom of leaving a token of your appreciation as an act of thanks or generosity?

>> No.11643713

>>11643689
Most of the posts in here have been pretty level-headed, at least by /ck/ standards. This place is usually one of the most toxic boards around. Have you visited any cast iron threads recently?

>> No.11643715

>>11643710
>I'll say average $20 a glass
Jesus christ, wine people are insane. Why do you do something like that to yourself

>> No.11643716

>>11643633
What if the tips went into the maintenance and improvement of the robot? Would you tip the robot?

>> No.11643717

>>11643712
That it has nothing to do with thanks or generosity, its juts meting expectations. Also the idea that you should need to thank someone for doing their job is pretty silly

>> No.11643719

>>11643716
you don't need a literal robot to replace waiters

>> No.11643724

>>11643719
But what if it was a cute robot?

>> No.11643725

>>11643511
>then don't tip
Word gets around town on people who don't tip.

>> No.11643730

>>11643442
>It's much cheaper to eat at home or at a fast-casual restaurant with no waiters
I like fast-casual places best. The food is as good, if not better sometimes, as sit-down casual places. You'll pay $9 a head instead of $15 and there's no tipping. Plus you get the food faster and grab your own refills.
Sit down with waitstaff is really only worth it if you're going somewhere really nice, or trying to fuck a girl from tinder.

>> No.11643734

>>11643712
> leaving a token of your appreciation as an act of thanks or generosity?
I think doctors, lawyers or soldiers would find them insulted if I gave them some dollar bills every time they worked for me. The fact that you don't do it against people you genuinely have some respect for show it's a more patronizing than appreciative gesture.

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>> No.11643740

>>11643730
Yeah the idea that anyone should ever go to a lower tier sit down place when fast casual places are around is dumb. Thank god us millenials are generally killing low end sit down places in favor of fast casual

>> No.11643765

>>11643734
Would a lawyer really be insulted if you wanted to, say, negotiate a larger percentage of a settlement for winning a case? I thought those jobs were more difficult to do something like that for because they operate and receive payment on a more complicated basis.

>> No.11643766

>>11643619
>>11643625
Just because you *could* do something doesn't mean it's worth the risk. The whole topic was about firing someone underperforming. Someone underperforming is not a write-up offense - that's literally the fault of the business for putting them in that position. If I wrote him up 10 times for underperforming and then fired him, I'd still get my ass reamed in court because I didn't bother moving him to another position and he still carried out his job's duties.

>>11643623
I seriously implore you to try this. Regardless of how careful and meticulous you are, employment law in most states is fairly vague and is designed to support the employee in situations of doubt. Regardless of how meticulous you are you can easily forget something here or miss a piece of paperwork there. It has to be absolutely ironclad if you fire someone without cause because any employee will know when a manager wants to fire them, and as long as that's the case 9 times out of 10 they'll pursue wrongful termination. Wrongful termination cases simply aren't worth the trouble or the money. It's literally just cheaper and easier not to be a dick and fire employees only when they're not doing their jobs or are creating bad work environments.

>> No.11643770

>>11643766
I don't know why >>11643623 got attached to my post instead of the one i was trying to ping but here's a couple extra (You)'s I guess.

>> No.11643771

>>11643766
anon I don't disagree with you but I think you don't realize you're smarter than most of the people making these decisions at large. retards are gonna tard, it's an acceptable risk for them. out of sight, out of mind type people.

>> No.11643801

>>11643354
>tipping
Where I come from (ex-socialism) tipping would be considered an insult. Implying the workers don't get paid enough. Gtfo with your commie garbage.

>> No.11643817

>>11643734
Doesn't a soldier receive medals and promotion points for projects and operations well done or done with significant impact or valor?

>> No.11643834

>>11643817
>comparing delivering plates to military operations
Never go full retard

>> No.11643845

>>11643766
>. The whole topic was about firing someone underperforming.
The post I replied to clearly specified "not showing up on time" and "not doing the work". That's not underperforming, those are certainly fireable offenses. Flipping burgers burgers slower than average is one thing. Not being there when your shift starts is a different thing entirely. So is, say, not doing your work because you were playing with your phone toy instead.

>> No.11643870

>>11643367
We're already broadcasted worldwide because of how awesome our culture is. We have the very definition of culture victory because everyone else sucks.

>> No.11643875

>>11643834
Tell that to >>11643734, he's the one who brought up soldiers.

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>>11643354
Americans are very dumb.

>> No.11643930

>>11643354
I'm not a poorfag.

>> No.11643935

>>11643354
I've left a penny one time when the service was abhorrent. Tipping is optional and you cant convince me otherwise.

Actually, I changed my mind. Here is a tip for all you servers out there: get a real job.

>> No.11643943

>>11643441
>if I am OK with working job X for $3 an hour
This is the load bearing assumption in your post, the counter to which is that few to no people would work a job paying significantly below median income if others that pay more are reasonably available to them. However, there are people who end up for various reasons in a situation where those are the only options, in which case an accurate portrayal isn't so much "OK with it" as "prefer it to making no money at all". If this is then countered with "well get an education/more experience/whatever", consider the case of people who are attempting to work jobs such as those to support themselves while also working on whatever it is they need to do to put themselves into a higher paying position later on, and ask if they deserve to be at the threshold of poverty in the meantime.

>> No.11643964

>>11643943
>This is the load bearing assumption in your post,
Yes, of course.

>the counter to which is that few to no people would work a job paying significantly below median income if others that pay more are reasonably available to them.
Yes, I agree. But that isn't a "counter" at all. You're just stating that not everyone agrees to work for the same wages, which we all knew anyway. How does society benefit if we make those low-paying jobs illegal? Doing so does not make high-paying jobs magically more accessible.

>>"prefer it to making no money at all".
What's the problem with that? Surely anyone agrees that earning a paltry wage is better than earning zero wage.

>>. If this is then countered with "well get an education/more experience/whatever",
It's not.

I'm just stating that if someone is willing to work a below-minimum-wage job for whatever reason then there's no point in preventing that from happening.

>> and ask if they deserve to be at the threshold of poverty in the meantime.
What does the existance of a minimum wage have to do with that? Minimum wage does not force wages to go up. It simply eliminates those jobs which don't pay high enough to meet minimum wage. Raising the minimum wage destroys the lowest paying jobs. What is the purpose of doing that?

>> No.11643995

Why does this board constantly devolve into /pol/ for no fucking reason? Is everyone just a triggered retard that gets off on spouting some obscure bullshit they see on US economics?

Then some other cuck comes in with "better" knowledge of how taxes work and it never fucking ends.

Come here for passion for food and cooking, fuckfaces, not to argue shit that never goes anywhere

>> No.11644004

>>11643964
>How does society benefit if we make those low-paying jobs illegal?
Makes it more difficult to exploit the underclass via collusion of employers. If you want to pretend we live in a world where everyone is able to always comprehend and remove themselves from exploitative situations that's fine, but I don't believe it reflects reality. Now, what the minimum wage should actually be is orthogonal to all of this, and I'm not making any kind of argument on what the ideal value is. However, there needs to be a floor somewhere higher than 0 or you almost surely will end up with people in borderline slavery.
>It simply eliminates those jobs which don't pay high enough to meet minimum wage.
Which jobs have been eliminated directly due to the institution of minimum wage laws?

>> No.11644064

>>11643354
What a cuck. Good service is visible even during a rush, because it's really as simple as checking up and not being a rude little shit, and half these fuckin dipshit blondes places like to hire can't even manage the latter.

>> No.11644101

>>11643995
When did this discussion become racist?

>> No.11644106

>>11643502
Are you telling me that a 20 person table with a total check of over 500 dollars is only worth a 5 dollar tip? That waitress spent all night on your asses and thats all you give her?

>> No.11644108

>>11644101
right now, nigger

>> No.11644109

>get delivery
>2 dollar flat fee for 15 dollars of food for someone to drive 5 miles and hand me a bag of food
>if it's late I get a partial refund

>go to a restaurant
>expected to pay ~5 dollars for someone to refill water I didn't even need and bring a plate 10 feet
>if it's late I'm socially allowed to tip them 5% less

This tipping shit makes people not want to eat in for any reason
My friends and I stopped tipping when we go out, I still do it with my gf though because women think tipping is noble

>> No.11644116

>>11644004
>Makes it more difficult to exploit the underclass via collusion of employers
The what? You've been reading some strange fiction, my friend.

>>If you want to pretend we live in a world where everyone is able to always comprehend and remove themselves from exploitative situations that's fine, but I don't believe it reflects reality.
Oh, I agree 100% that there are people who fit that description. The problem is that no matter how well-intentioned we are, we cannot help them. At least not without causing far more collateral damage in the process.

>>Which jobs have been eliminated directly due to the institution of minimum wage laws?
Entry-level positions. Things like fast food workers, laborers, basic retail sales. Janatorial positions, etc, reduce employment numbers every time there is a minimum wage hike. Most of the time it's companies firing some % of their employees in order to give the rest raises. Other times the employees aren't fired outright; instead employers just reduce new hires and let normal attrition reduce the number of employees.

>> No.11644118

>>11644109
Tipping is a big problem, but society expects it. Steve Bucemi said it best.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4sbYy0WdGQ

>> No.11644158

I've worked in resturaunts and unless the resturaunt is slam packed the server is 95% of the time if the server is shitty they are just standing around talking about random personal bullshit, spending 15 minutes talking about how busy they are, or bitching about a customer.

>> No.11644183

What I don't understand from tippers apart the very fact of tipping is why they tip at "normal" restaurants but not at fast food ones.
There's no differences except you're paying before eating.

>> No.11644190

>>11643354
Me when the jews are underpaying staff: I should give her 50% of my income

>> No.11644207

>>11643354
Why should I explain myself when you already have?

>> No.11644215

>>11644190
what is 50% of your income?

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>> No.11644222

>>11643367
>rent free