/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>11634920
First post

>>11634920
you've cracked the code. you only have to eat fried food from now on

>>11634920
It's not. In fact ketotards would tell you to drink the used grease to maximize weight loss.

>>11634920
it's just da bread homie

We all dying you might as well fry it up and enjoy some flavor in your life before you’re whisked away by the sands of time like a match burnt to ash too soon.

>I’m a retard that doesn’t know what cholesterol is

because it irritates the gut and causes inflammation, which leads to things like ibs, cancer, etc.

dont listen to anyone who tells you artificial food is healthy

>>11634961
>I'm a retard that doesn't know dietary cholesterol has no relationship to systemic cholesterol

>>11634959
/ck/ - Time is the fire in which we all burn.

>>11634920
Too much fat. "Fat isn't bad for you" school of nutrition is saying no fat or very low fat diet generally doesn't help people lose weight or get healthier. They are not saying you can eat high amounts of fat and not suffer any health consequences.

Try getting your health information from non-meme sources, and try reading beyond the clickbait headlines.

>>11634920
It's usually fried in cheap refined oils. And eating more fried food usually means eating less fruits, vegetables, etc. Fried food isn't inherently unhealthy though, in the right amounts, and in balance with other foods.

>>11634992
>t. Dr. Soran

>>11634920
because its carbs you'r frying (most of the time) and its the combinaison that's bad for you

Only air-fried turkey is considered hehlthy.

>>11634920
>then why is fried food unhealthy?
It isn't.
Single foods are not healthy or unhealthy, only a diet as a whole can be. Fried food is fine, so long as you don't eat an excessive amount of it. Same as any other food really.

>>11634920
because heating oil produces acrolein, which is literally a poison used to poison things

>>11634993
This. You need fat to survive, but fat also has calories, and if you eat more calories than you burn you're going to become a lardass. Same with carbs.

>>11634920
fat isn't worse for you than carbs, but fried food still has a shit ton of calories and people end up eating too much of it

>>11634959
Life is too short to miss out on having a cute gf though, and you won't get one if you're gross and fat.

>>11634993

Yeah. I like fat. I like bread. They're ok to eat.

You should not eat bread soaked in fat with all of your meals. That's what fried food is.

>>11635262

So do you just cook in a dry pan or just boil everything or what?

>>11634920
Define "healthy" and "unhealthy" and you'll find that the term is incredibly subjective. Whether something in and of itself or at what amount a food or nutrient can be considered "healthy" depends on a multitude of factors that vary widely from person to person.
The attempt to generalize whether something is healthy or unhealthy by normalizing it against a large sample size of humans is a flawed process, because it relies on conclusions drawn from data/studies that do not have a proper control group. (There are too many uncontrollable variables between virtually any two human's bodies, actions, and environment. This is why Twins are so heavily sought after for studies.)

What you need to realize is that (virtually) not a single valid "health"-related study goes on to claim that any food or nutrient causes a health-related problem. At most they claim it "increases the risk" or "is correlated with (a higher risk)". Correlation does not imply causation.
What you need to do with this realization is to use it as a catalyst to channel your childhood years and start incessantly asking "why?" again. Take everything you read with a grain of salt: Consider the situational circumstances. Practice critical thinking. Try to find all the flaws and understand how much they matter, how they matter, and why they matter.

If you're able to do this, it should only take a short time for you to figure out that lynchpin for a majority of these health-related problems and studies is constant and/or excessive harm and/or stress to the body.
Go a step further and you can figure out that fried food and sugar-loaded food aren't inherently unhealthy; it's simply easier to overload on a single nutrient or total nutrients with them. Barring specific bodily defects, moderation makes them all perfectly safe.

>>11635429
that doesn't work either. There's still acreolin being created from the naturally occuring fats in food.

That other anon is fucking with people dumb enough to take the bait. It doesn't matter that acreolin is toxic because there's not enough of it present to cause harm. Pure oxygen is toxic too, yet we breathe oxygen in the air every day of our lives.

>>11635430
tl;dr: Your body is constantly trying to maintain homeostasis through hundreds of different processes. Too little of X is bad for you. Too much of X is bad for you. How much is too little and too much? Depends.

Not all fats are created equal...as some fats are better for you than others.

Trans fats, like vegetable shortening and margarine, deep fried cooking should and MUST be avoided at all cost.

Saturated fats should be used sparingly, but monounsaturated fats found in nuts/nut butters and avocado can improve your blood cholesterol level and decrease you risk of cardiovascular disease.

And last but certainly not least is the "essential" fat of polyunsaturated found in salmon and sardines, rich in omega-3 acids are even better for your heart than monosaturated fats.

>>11634985
>im a retarded ketolard

>>11634920
Fat kcal+carb kcal= more CI than CO
>>11635806
Post causational link. CICO is the only thing that matters.

Saturated and trans fats are bad plain and simple.

Dosage is obviously key which is why you avoid animal products and refined fats in general like oils. Whole foods like nuts, seeds, coconuts are beneficial

Peanuts, not peanut oil

>>11635825
Yeah that IS the causational link, dumbass

>CICO is the only thing that matters.
If you’re consuming 500 mgs of cholesterol, working at a minor caloric deficit wont save you from clogged arteries, retard.

Are 2kcals of butter the same as 2kcals of vegetables. Post any proof you have faggot

>>11635839
>that IS the causational link
Brainlet detected. A causational link means you can tell me exactly what hormones uptake the cholesterol, when they do it, how they store it in the blood stream etc. Line graphs always represent correlary evidence as in point x correlates with point y and we can plot them thusly.

Polio cases ALWAYS rise with ice cream consumption.

>>11635862
>A causational link means you can tell me exactly what hormones uptake the cholesterol, when they do it, how they store it in the blood stream etc
Yeah, that’s in the study and DISPLAYED IN THE LINE GRAPH YOU ABORTION

Do you not know anything about the Keys and Hegsted equations which ISOLATE and explain these exact factors? Of course you didn’t you genetic fucking defect. If you actually read the fucking graph for half a second youd realize that

>dae la correlation causation xDD

Like a no brained nigger monkey that just took his first biology class. I posted my indisputable proof that you are too dumb to comprehend

Now post YOUR proof about CICO being the ONLY thing that matters apparently ignoring the existence of the endocrine system

Oh wait you can’t you’re a braindead fucking nigger with fat clogging his narrow pin-head!!!

ITT: Clowns and disinfo shills

Industrially refined seed oils bad
Animal fat good
Meat and fat good
Carbs bad

Very simple stuff.

>>11635899
No brained nigger monkey

>>11635894
>>11635899

easy there big fella no one is here to hurt you.

>>11635894
>bro look at all these strong correlations that's a manifest cause
>bro this sugar industry employee is an unassailable source, practically the Elliot Ness of science
C O P E

>>11635914
>>11635947
No brained nigger monkeys that can’t finish a coloring book let alone a paper

>>11635899
>My current fad diet is the correct one

>>11635975
>Sources
>No actual source is listed, just "i got it from them lol"
gg try again

>>11635986
What are you even talking about you no brained nigger monkey?

>>11635423
Manlet alert

>theres no causation!!
>>Causation
>it dindu nuffin!!
>>Significant
>its old!!
>>New studies
>s-sugar!!!
>>False
>v-vegans are gay!!
>>Bend over

Rinse and repeat

>>11635975
Particularly unhinged tonight I see. Why do you come on /ck/ night after night working yourself into a froth and getting proven wrong over and over? Oh, and dont you find it a bit disingenuous that they only used the tail end of the trend chart? Gee I mean its almost like the trend was so inflated by 1980 that the only thing staving off obesity was active lifestyles that were completely done away with due to increased automation and suburban lifestyles but by then the drop in the bucket diminishment in sugar and kcal consumption was FAR to low to compensate for the strong uptick in sedentary habits. Huh. Sounds like CICO

>>11636089
Did population increase over that time in your chart?

>>11634920
there was a an article in time years ago that tested 41,000 people in spain and found no link to increased health risk, but they mostly ate food fried in sunflower or olive oil.

>>11636101
>lbs per year per person
Yes but they accounted for it. Its literally the same trend chart the other retard used just not snap shotted to fit an agenda.

>>11636089
Wow. You manage to say so much faggotry yet can’t make an actual argument for any of your no brained niggerdom in any of it

Disprove the Hegsted and Keys equations
Prove your flawless exceptionless CICO autism WITH ANY EVIDENCE

Being a smug sophist no brained nigger monkey opining with third grade monkey conjecture is NOT an argument

>>11636125
That’s not what he asked you no brained nigger monkey. How the fuck you expect anyone to take your nigger monkey shit remotely seriously when you can’t even read a 9 word sentence correctly?

What’s it like being a no brained nigger monkey that gets BTFO every single fucking time?

“The lipid hypothesis doesn’t isolate dietary and serum cholesterol, nor does it explore mechanisms”

-Every no brained nigger monkey WAPF golem in the universe

>>11636155
>>11636175
>samefagging this hard
Wew.
>inb4 screenshot
We all know you're obsessively deranged and using two devices rn

Also wow gee, turns out percentage of overall meat consumption in the diet has diminished while overall consumption grew. CICO is the only answer friend its time for you to hold yet another L.

>>11634920
Fried food isn't bad for you, as long as quality oil is used (Fast food places usually use garbage recycled oil). It's excessive calories that are bad for you (Fast food places usually have way too fucking many of those too).

>>11636267
>No brained nigger monkey is too dumb to know what samefagging is
Shocking

>We all know you're obsessively deranged and using two devices rn
Oh a DUMB schizo, how cute

>Also wow gee, turns out percentage of overall meat consumption in the diet has diminished while overall consumption grew
That doesn’t disprove anything I’m saying. Nor does it say anything about your CICO autism which you’ve yet to provide a single correlative or causative proof of :(

Again. Pseudo-smug sophist schizophrenic conjecture is NOT an argument

Now disprove the lipid hypothesis, prove your CICO schizophrenia, and we can move along

>>11636347
>disprove
Someone already beat me to it. You ignored him as per your typical response when we point this out to you.
>>11636211

If you'd like to understand how the direct mechanisms of CICO and carbohydrate consumption work I'd suggest you schedule an appointment with a serious medical doctor in the field of endocrinology. Quite amazing what you'll learn I think, but I really don't have time to explain it to you again tonight.

>>11634920
Fat isn't what's bad. It's eating an entire 8 piece fried chicken bucket that's bad.

>>11636369
>Someone already beat me to it
So profoundly you couldn’t even link it. DISPROVE THE LIPID HYPOTHESIS

Prove your CICO schizo tism with ANY evidence. You have evaded every single question I’ve asked including if 2kcal of butter was equal to 2kcal of vegetables

>you'd like to understand how the direct mechanisms of CICO and carbohydrate consumption work I'd suggest you schedule an appointment with a serious medical doctor
The no brained nigger monkey literally is unable to give a SINGLE straight answer. I’m shocked.

>>11636431
Its not my fault you've proven once again to fail to understand basic facts everyone else on the thread seems to understand. But just keep getting madder and calling names I'm sure you'll persuade someone soon.

If someone

-can’t give a straight answer
-evades a question
-substituted evidence with pseudo-smugness and seething
-cant read a two line sentence let alone a paper
-refuses to acknowledge contradicting valid evidence

They are a no-brained nigger monkey

>>11636474
No brained nigger monkey can’t emote anything other than elementary level NPC sound file pseudo-smug arguments

No brained nigger monkey gets dismissed

No brained nigger monkey rages

>>11636387
Even eating an 8 piece fried chicken bucket isn't bad if you're doing something like logging/mining in the arctic where you're expending massive amounts of energy both physically and to keep warm. As long as you're burning it before it clogs your veins you're fine.

>>11636511
>>11636519
>tfw me and everyone else in the thread apparently
Oh well at least I don't type ten walls of rage text every night on a Thai rice noodle collective.

>>11636562
>eating fried chicken isn’t bad if you somehow negate the net bad effects

Lmao what a miserable slimeball you are

>muh cico!!!!
No brained nigger monkey

>>11636565
No. You just cry about it “every night” :)

“Guys aconite isn’t unhealthy!!! You just need to detox it before it floods your neurological or cardiovascular systems!!”

>>11636573
I live in Alaska and weigh 180lbs. I'm not fat lmao. I eat what I want within reason and I am not even close to obese.

>>11634920
Moderation my dude. Fried food is loaded with it.

>>11636562
You're going to burn cholesterol?

>>11636619
I didn’t say or even imply you were fat. That wasn’t even what was being discussed. I think you are a fat fuck now of course. Within reason is just a slimeball non-answer

>>11636620
So what even is moderation?

>>11636631
Yes. Didn’t you know there’s no causation to the lipid hypothesis because i eat 2000 calories of butter?

>>11636631
Yes, your body can metabolize cholesterol.

>>11636631
Yes.

>>11636631
Yes

>>11636636
t. fatass
>>11636631
Yes, my dude.

>>11634920
The high heat alters the chemical makeup of the fat, and turns it into something carcinogenic.

>>11634920
Something about free radical formation when certain lipids get to certain temperatures and degrade, the fact that flash frying destroys many different vitamins, the high fat content itself, and the fact fried things are often high sodium like french fries, all make for an unhealthy food. It's nothing your body can't handle in small, sporadic doses, and food itself is allowed to be called "food" because it's not outright toxic in the first place. But as far as foods go, it's the worst thing probably imaginable, along with cured/smoked meats or something like margarine.

>>11636631
He means it will oxidize. That’s even better

>>11636703
>cured meats
>bad
If its high quality no fillers or preservatives other than salt its not that bad. Besides when you eat expensive decadent stuff you shave it and eat it by the gram.

>>11636678
Sorry about your obesity but I’d be more concerned that youre a no brained nigger monkey that can only communicate in WAPF npc soundbyte

>>11635899
>Carbs bad

>>11636752
>says the guy who can't muster a vocab beyond 3 scripted insults
Perplexing coincidence. Go ahead call me a no brained n word lmao.

>>11636791
>n word

Jesus Christ

>>11634920
>>11634962
>>11635806
>>11635839
>>11635894
>Contrary to popular belief, consuming a higher amount of fat (about 35 per cent of energy) is associated with a lower risk of death compared to lower intakes. However, a diet high in carbohydrates (of more than 60 per cent of energy) is related to higher mortality, although not with the risk of cardiovascular disease.
>The research on dietary fats found that they are not associated with major cardiovascular disease, but higher fat consumption was associated with lower mortality; this was seen for all major types of fats (saturated fats, polyunsaturated fats and mono unsaturated fats), with saturated fats being associated with lower stroke risk. The researchers point out that, while this may appear surprising to some, these new results are consistent with several observational studies and randomized controlled trials conducted in Western countries during the last two decades.
>The large new study, when viewed in the context of most previous studies, questions the conventional beliefs about dietary fats and clinical outcomes, says Mahshid Dehghan, the lead author for the study and an investigator at PHRI.
>https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/08/170829091027.htm
>https://authoritynutrition.com/it-aint-the-fat-people/
>https://authoritynutrition.com/top-8-reasons-not-to-fear-saturated-fats/
>https://authoritynutrition.com/saturated-fat-good-or-bad/
>https://chriskresser.com/the-diet-heart-myth-cholesterol-and-saturated-fat-are-not-the-enemy/
>http://www.uib.no/en/node/103172
>http://www.healthline.com/nutrition/5-studies-on-saturated-fat
>http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2017/03/31/bjsports-2016-097285
>http://press.endocrine.org/doi/full/10.1210/jcem.85.1.6291
>http://suppversity.blogspot.de/2014/05/bcfa-gut-health-immunity-cancer.html

>>11636858

>>11636868

>>11636871

>>11636858
Based.

>>11636703
>along with cured/smoked meats
>http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2014/10/the-simplicity-of-dieting-it-really-is.html
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3529694/#!po=57.9365
>http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2016/10/latest-study-shows-that-33-gkg-high.html
>https://breakingmuscle.com/healthy-eating/why-all-humans-need-to-eat-meat-for-health

>>11636892
>>11636703
>http://www.diagnosisdiet.com/meat-and-cancer/
>http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2011/12/devil-in-feeding-trough-pge-response-to.html?m=1
>https://chriskresser.com/red-meat-cancer-again-will-it-ever-stop/
>http://www.mensfitness.com/nutrition/what-to-eat/meat-cancer-bacon-who-report-mens-fitness-health
>https://rawfoodsos.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/minger_formal_response2.pdf
>https://deniseminger.com/2010/08/06/final-china-study-response-html/
>https://deniseminger.com/2010/08/03/the-china-study-a-formal-analysis-and-response/
>https://deniseminger.com/2010/07/07/the-china-study-fact-or-fallac/
>http://www.foodrenegade.com/the-china-study-discredited/
>https://deniseminger.com/the-china-study/
>https://www.westonaprice.org/our-blogs/the-curious-case-of-campbells-rats-does-protein-deficiency-prevent-cancer/
>https://www.westonaprice.org/our-blogs/taking-a-trip-down-memory-lane-fishing-for-our-good-friend-glutathione-in-the-waters-of-the-memory-hole-how-t-colin-campbell-helped-prove-that-protein-protects-us
>http://www.saragottfriedmd.com/does-meat-cause-cancer-revisiting-the-meat-igf-1-and-cancer-connection/
>https://www.reddit.com/r/keto/comments/2qxnro/red_meat_triggers_toxic_immune_reaction_which/cnai2od/
>http://caloriesproper.com/red-meat-wont-kill-you-it-will-make-you-stronger/

>>11636858
>authoritynutrition

>chriskresser

HOWLING

Anyways. The PURE study is unadulterated sophist trash, a complete bastardization of epidemiology that acknowledges but then simultaneously completely ignores socioeconomic factors as THE primary cause for mortality in their own studies, you’ll notice the only people propping up this garbage sophist wet dream are the snake oil hucksters like Chris Kresser and that the Lancet has been lambasted for publishing this.

But of course you like every other ketolard just gish gallop clickbait headlines instead reading even a microcosm of the contents of the study. And you know why that is? You’re a bunch of no-brained nigger monkeys

>blogspot
>breakingmuscle
>mensfitness
>WESTON PRICE
>CHRIS KRESSER
>AUTHORITYNUTRITION

A wild Mercola may appear next!!

>>11636749
>other than salt its not that bad.
>And as for salt, which Audette rails against in a manner so prolific it rivals the Westboro Baptist Church's hatred of the homosexuals, it's not only necessary, but critical.
>"Certain isolated groups in areas such as Brazil, Papua New Guinea, and rural African communities have been found to live on sodium intakes of as little as 1150 mg per day. However, despite finding generally low blood pressure in these remote communities, the little evidence that exists on these low salt societies suggests shorter life expectancy and higher mortality rates" (Kresser).
>Paleo authors will often rail against sodium intake, suggesting that paleolithic man consumed less sodium than is recommended by the government to maintain optimal health. Apparently, however, they lack access to Wikipedia. Wild animals, of whom our ancestors were a part, utilize natural "salt licks" to maintain healthy bone and muscle growth. These mineral licks are so important to wildlife that they're illegally used to bait animals for hunting, and even the Vikings mentioned them prominently in their mythology. According to Norse mythology,
>"In Norse mythology, before the creation of the world, it was the divine cow Audhumla who, through her licking of the cosmic salt ice, gave form to Buri, ancestor of the gods and grandfather of Odin. On the first day as Audhumla licked, Buri's hair appeared from the ice, on the second day his head and on the third his body" (Wikipedia)(cont.)
>https://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2015/07/paleotards-are-doing-it-wrong-part-deux.html?zx=cdf94e01fe149119
>http://jn.nutrition.org/content/11/1/77.full.pdf

Saturated fats, trans fats, and refined carbs increase serum cholesterol and atherosclerotic risk
https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/77/5/1146/4689813

Dietary cholesterol increases LDL oxidation
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/10704618/

Dietary cholesterol increases serum cholesterol, a meta analysis.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/1534437/

The progression of cholesterol and atherosclerosis
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/pdf/10.1161/01.cir.0000103664.47406.49

Saturated fats impair antioxidative properties of HDL and disrupt endothelial function
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/16904539/

Coconut oil is nearly as horrible as butter for LDL cholesterol and serum lipids
http://www.jlr.org/content/36/8/1787.full.pdf

Meta analysis claiming saturated fats are harmless is seriously misleading
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/2014/03/19/dietary-fat-and-heart-disease-study-is-seriously-misleading/

Egg consumption increases LDL levels and LDL oxidation
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/9001684/

Gish galloping? Gish galloping

Due to measured levels of dioxin that exceed safety standards, the National Academy of Science has for years recommended that people avoid eating a diet rich in animal fats.
http://www.diseaseproof.com/archives/hurtful-food-my-reaction-to-looking-at-an-oily-cheese-pizza.html

Change in quality of life and immune markers after a stay at a raw vegan institute: a pilot study
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2486444/

The role of diet and physical activity in breast, colorectal, and prostate cancer survivorship: a review of the literature
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3251953/

Interindividual differences in response to plant-based diets: implications for cancer risk
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2677005/

An impact of the diet on serum fatty acid and lipid profiles in Polish vegetarian children and children with allergy. [Eur J Clin Nutr. 2011] - PubMed - NCBI
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21048771

Effects of a long-term vegetarian diet on biomarkers of antioxidant status and cardiovascular disease risk. [Nutrition. 2004] - PubMed - NCBI
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15474873

Vegetarian diets and the incidence of cancer in a low-risk population. [Cancer Epidemiol Biomarkers Prev. 2013] - PubMed - NCBI
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23169929

Meat Consumption and Cancer Risk
http://www.cancerproject.org/survival/cancer_facts/meat.php

Understanding the Problems with Dairy Products
http://www.nutritionmd.org/nutrition_tips/nutrition_tips_understand_foods/dairy.html
1. Osteoporosis 2. Cardiovascular Disease 3. Cancer 4. Diabetes 5. Lactose Intolerance 6. Vitamin D Toxicity 7. Contaminants 8. Health Concerns of Infants and Children

Nutrient Density of Animal and Plant Foods:
http://www.drfuhrman.com/library/article17.aspx

Nutritional Update for Physicians: Plant-Based Diets (a summary)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3662288/

This is fun!
Effects of a long-term vegetarian diet on biomarkers of antioxidant status and cardiovascular disease risk. [Nutrition. 2004] - PubMed - NCBI
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15474873

Vegetarian diets and the incidence of cancer in a low-risk population. [Cancer Epidemiol Biomarkers Prev. 2013] - PubMed - NCBI
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23169929

Meat Consumption and Cancer Risk
http://www.cancerproject.org/survival/cancer_facts/meat.php

Red meat and colon cancer
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21558046

Study finds unsafe mercury levels in 84 percent of all fish
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57563739/study-finds-unsafe-mercury-levels-in-84-percent-of-all-fish/

Like Bacon, Sausage and Hot Dogs? Then Beware: They May Raise Your Risk of Death, New Study Finds
http://shine.yahoo.com/shine-food/like-bacon--sausage-and-hot-dogs--too-bad--cause-that-stuff-l-kill-you--new-study-finds--174609721.html

Study Points to New Culprit in Heart Disease
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/08/health/study-points-to-new-culprit-in-heart-disease.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

"Neu5Gc elicits an immune reaction that might contribute to a whole spectrum of human-specific diseases"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/3346666/Mystery-of-the-meat-eaters-molecule.html

Restriction of meat, fish, and poultry in omnivores improves mood: a pilot randomized controlled trial
http://www.nutritionj.com/content/11/1/9/abstract

Harvard School of Public Health » milk is NOT the best source of calcium
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/calcium-and-milk/

Eating less meat and dairy may help reduce osteoporosis risk, Cornell studies show.
http://news.cornell.edu/stories/1996/11/eating-less-meat-may-help-reduce-osteoporosis-risk

Milk--the promoter of chronic Western diseases
PMID: 19232475
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19232475

Acne, dairy and cancer (PMID: 20046583)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18398033?itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum&ordinalpos=2

Hormones in milk can be dangerous By Corydon Ireland
http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/2006/12.07/11-dairy.html

Pork May Raise Your Risk of Death, New Study Finds
http://shine.yahoo.com/shine-food/like-bacon--sausage-and-hot-dogs--too-bad--cause-that-stuff-l-kill-you--new-study-finds--174609721.html

Milk consumption: aggravating factor of acne and promoter of chronic diseases of Western societies
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19243483

Milk Consumption and Prostate Cancer
http://pcrm.org/health/health-topics/milk-consumption-and-prostate-cancer

Dairy Linked to Acne Development
http://www.pcrm.org/health/medNews/dairy-linked-to-acne-development

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfsT-qYeqGM&feature=player_embedded[Open]
Celebrated Cornell University professor T. Colin Campbell Phd, presents the overwhelming evidence showing that animal protein is one of the most potent carcinogens people are exposed to.

TMAO: A Toxic Substance Formed When You Eat Meat Can Make You... Dead Meat
http://www.forksoverknives.com/tmao-a-toxic-substance-formed-when-you-eat-meat-can-make-you-dead-meat/

Meat, dairy may be as detrimental to your health as smoking cigarettes, study says
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/meat-dairy-may-be-as-detrimental-to-your-health-as-smoking-cigarettes/

Vegan Blood Fights Cancer 8x Better
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/developing-an-ex-vivo-cancer-proliferation-bioassay/

Animal Protein and the Cancer Promoter IGF-1
http://nutritionfacts.org/2013/02/14/animal-protein-and-igf-1/

Vegan diet in physiological health promotion. [Acta Physiol Hung. 1999] - PubMed - NCBI
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10943644

>>11636947
>Not reading
>>11636858
>>11636868
>>11636871
>>11636875

>Egg consumption increases LDL levels and LDL oxidation
>https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/10-proven-health-benefits-of-eggs
>https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/6-reasons-why-eggs-are-the-healthiest-food-on-the-planet#section1
>http://suppversity.blogspot.com/search?q=eggs
>http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/189529
>http://www.bmj.com/content/346/bmj.e8539
>http://suppversity.blogspot.com/search?q=egg+yolk
>http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2015/07/egg-ology-today-underappreciated-health.html
>http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2013/11/underestimated-vitamin-d-sources.html

- Vegans have higher testosterone

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2374537/

- Processed meattrash lowers sperm count

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4180710/

- Estrogen in milk lowers test and stops you developing into a real man

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19496976

- Casomorphine in milk is addictive

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1374738

- Milk gives you prostate cancer

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25527754

- Milk gives you acne

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19243483

- Heme iron in red meat gives you esophageal and stomach cancer

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22044848

- Meat gives you colorectal cancer

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4698595/

- Eggs increase cancer risk even when adjusted for intakes of macronutrients or for other food groups

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8061589

>>11636947
>>11636967
Fake and gay. Go REEEEEEEE somewhere else commie.

>>11636975
>http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2014/01/true-or-false-dairy-is-toxic-hormone.html
Also doubt the"milk=prostate cancer" entirely especially when in the article it says:
>Estrone and prostate cancer risk in men: As far as the estrone levels Maruyama et al. measured in their 2010 study are concerned it is very difficult to tell, whether or not the 26% increase in E2 levels is or isn't a problem.
>The estrone values in the Maruyama study are unrealistic. With a normal range of <68pg/ml the subjects in the Maruyama study would have elevated E1 levels to begin with, if the measurement was correct.
>difficult to tell
>unrealistic
and
>What remains to be seen, though, is whether future epidemiological evidence will support or refute the currently heralded hypothesis that dairy consumption increases prostate cancer risk and whether we will be able to identify more feasible explanations for this relations than those that are implicated by the results Maruyama et al. present in their 2010 study.
>http://sciencedrivennutrition.com/hormones-milk/
>http://suppversity.blogspot.de/2014/05/bcfa-gut-health-immunity-cancer.html
>http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2013/12/dairy-good-bad-or-ugly-latest-studies.html
>http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2016/07/cheese-your-health-cvd-cancer-metabolic.html
>http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/07315724.2011.1071999
>https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/foods/milk
>http://southeastdairy.org/three-surprising-health-benefits-chocolate-milk/
>http://healthyeating.sfgate.com/benefit-drinking-chocolate-milk-athletes-6965.html
>https://www.livestrong.com/article/46306-chocolate-milk-nutrition-information/
>https://www.healthline.com/diabetesmine/from-jdrf-detroit-lessons-on-chocolate-milk-and-a1c-imperfection

>>11636979
Nobody expects a gish galloping no brained nigger monkey WAPF shill to read anything other than the first page of its coloring book

>>11636980
>>11636979
>>11636986
>>11636981
These pseudoscientists are everywhere
>>11636995
>http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2010/07/vegetarianism-and-veganism-best.html
>http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2010/07/vegetarianism-and-veganism-are-as.html
>http://www.lloydianaspects.co.uk/opinion/veggie.html
>https://thetab.com/uk/2017/02/16/vegetarians-unhealthy-mentally-disturbed-says-new-research-33067
>https://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2017/12/the-war-on-coffee-and-common-sense-or.html?zx=8d20dd9d8e82ef7a

>>11636986
>>11637005
>doubt this one study because of something i cherrypicked

Lol, you lose no matter what fallacy you attempt. You’re better off appealing to no brained nigger monkey emotional senses rather than arguing fact, nigger

ESTROGEN FROM RED MEAT CAUSES CANCER:
IGF-1 Levels of vegans and others: http://cebp.aacrjournals.org/content/cebp/11/11/1441.full.pdf
IGF-1 in blood correlated with cancer: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2743036/pdf/ukmss-27731.pdf
IGF-1 and Cancer growth: https://academic.oup.com/edrv/article-lookup/doi/10.1210/er.2008-0022

95% of cattle are given estrogen to increase growth:
https://ofbf.org/uploads/OFBFHormoneUseinAnimalAgriculturebriefing.pdf

Mammal estrogens are 10,000x more potent than xenoestrogens and meat can contribute to 40% of estrogen intake:
http://tinyurl com/yayt4qlc

Adolescent Daily Milk = 302% increase prostate cancer: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3249408/pdf/kwr289.pdf
Increase in prostate cancer with dairy Japan: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12710911

Vegan Patrik Baboumian Breaks World Record for Most Weight Ever Carried
www.youtube.com/watch?v=aL4lb6IevWw
Rates of cancers, especially hormone-dependent cancers such as prostate cancer and breast cancer, are significantly lowered when omitting animal products, like cow's milk, from the diet. Not only that, but plant foods, such as soy and flaxseeds, have protective effects on the body to prevent or reverse the development of these types of cancers.

Flaxseeds and its effects on prostate cancer:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15134976

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19064574

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21764858

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11445478

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11911282

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18471323

>>11637031
>Even more not reading, then shitposting about how hard you didn't read

>>11637040
Yes. I’d say that’s an apt description of you gish galloping acupuncturist blogs

Flaxseeds and its effects on breast cancer:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20724470

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21900107

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21915130

http://clincancerres.aacrjournals.org/content/11/10/3828.full.pdf+html

Soy and prostate cancer:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19838933

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10189040

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25367323

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15351581
Soy and breast cancer:

http://journals.lww.com/nutritiontodayonline/Abstract/2013/03000/Exploring_the_Soyfood_Controversy.5.aspx

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14729654

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19318430

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19996398

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19221874

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20956506

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22524810

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21357380

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22539238

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23725149

Dairy and prostate cancer:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20358466

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25989745

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16094059

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3357167/pdf/brc0005-0044.pdf

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15203374

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3249408/pdf/kwr289.pdf

http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/content/canres/58/3/442.full.pdf

Dairy and female cancers:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15531686

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11408508

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11875733

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25648405

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24871675

We're all gonna die no matter what huh? The world is literal cancer huh? WHY CRUEL GOD I JUST WANT ONE MORE DAY TO SHITPOST WITH MY FRIENDS!!!!!!

>>11637069
You sure are insecure. I guess soy does that to a person.

>>11637121
You are a no brained nigger monkey. I guess that’s only causative to being a fat fuck like yourself

>>11636973
>fish
>http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2014/09/faster-muscle-hypertrophy-lower.html
>http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2016/02/minimal-amounts-of-fish-peptide.html
>http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2012/06/fishing-for-better-wheys-to-improve.html
>http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2014/04/fish-and-krill-oil-both-work-but-their.html
>http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2013/05/fish-oil-compromises-fish-improves.html
>http://suppversity.blogspot.de/2012/05/fishing-for-muscle-cod-protein-promotes.html
>http://suppversity.blogspot.de/2014/06/whey-protein-hydrolysates-were.html

>>11636973
>poultry
>https://www.livestrong.com/article/341375-why-is-chicken-healthy-to-eat/
>http://www.activebeat.com/diet-nutrition/top-10-health-benefits-of-eating-chicken/2/
>>11636892

>>11637287
Nobody cares about your blogs, no-brained nigger monkey. May as well just list the Wikipedia article on fish instead if spamming slideshows of the 20 gayest ways to be a fat retard

>>11636973
>Bacon
>https://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2014/12/bacon-superfood-or-hipster-bullshit.html?zx=1f2992a66c2e44f3

>>11637328
The funny thing is that you sincerely searched for and compiled all of this broscience autism over a course of hours instead of just copy and pasting lmao

>>11634920
No actual Food is unhealthy. Your body needs nutrients, and it needs fat. The problem is the amount of food and the calorific content. Typical fried foods are obviously high in calories, due to the fact they’re carb dense with the added fat from the frying. It’s also relatively easy to make, typically in large quantities, and is very easy to gorge on.

So no, in moderation it’s not unhealthy. It’s just easy to overindulge, so gets a bad reputation.

Absolute almond activation in this thread

The aspect of studying food and nutrition is quite enlightening, however all the studies done today cant really be taken seriously or are flawed due to the length of the study being quite short or who/how it was done, the sample size, health issue factor, environment, crop/animal sources and chems, funding from companies to create bias, etc.
This is the same thing that does with other dietry products/fads like vitamin pills or soylents.
The only thing that can be ruled out for sure is calories, nutritional value amount (maybe) /nutrition sources, exercising, trying to eat natural at best by cooking at home.
Preety much all foods, even the seemingly unhealthy/processed foods ones like burgs, curry, sausages, etc can literally be made from scratch at home with the persons ability to control over everything they want to eat with the amount of spices, salt, fat, herbs, veggies, they want, biggest example is probably potatoes, if you buy them whole you have the ability to make the potato into anything you want, fries, hashbrowns, roast, mash, etc, if you want to eat healthier you can try oven roasting with some oil drizzled and herbs with salt and pepper and controling your intake of calories by weighing it, if youre on cheat day you can make fries or hash. I guess the only bad thing is the time consumed to make these but i personally dont mind since i enjoy cooking. But it does baffle me reading or knowing people willingly dont buy raw ingredients in bulk for cheap and make stuff at home that is cheaper in the long term and tastier and more controllable than just go in and out and eat in fast food joints/get frozen meals.

Because when you fry at high temperatures, a few interesting reactions take place: Starch decomposes to acrylamide and proteins decompose to nitrosamines, both products are suspected carcinogens in humans. However, if you don't literally stuff your face with fried food everyday, your body should be able to handle this fairly well.

Another thing to consider is that you're using saturated fats for frying. On a molecular level, they cannot be "stacked" that well (I know this sounds weird, but that's to spare you the exact chemistry behind it) which means they accumulate faster in your blood vessels, leading to clogged arteries and all the fun stuff that comes with it. Then again, eating fats in moderation will not have that effect. Just don't be a retard.

The (hot) oil will kill you.

>>11637090
The best doctor in the world can only save a patient for so long. Everyone saved will die eventually

Autism: itt

Dietary science comes to different, often times completely opposing conclusions every couple of years. It would be naive or retarded to base you diateary choices on it

>>11634920
Because it's a bunch of extraneous stuff soaked in fat. Only ever eat fat.

>>11636918
You're saying I can eat whatever I want as long as I'm not poor? Sounds reasonable.

Eat a well balanced diet consisting of all things, and keep your body active, and really you can eat whatever you want when you break from the diet, as long as you return to it.
Binges and temporary halts of your diet rarely if ever cause severe or permanent damage, it's when it's sustained over a lengthy period. A day or two where you channel your inner fatty and devour a whole pizza is not going to ruin your body for all of eternity. Your body is well equipped to handle that shit. Dietary science is established around trying to find some miracle diet that works for every person, when in reality, what you need to change depends on what's wrong with you. Most people in america have a high disposition to type 2 diabetes, so you know what doctors tell them? Cut out carbs, try keto.

Because its fried in veggie oil and that is unnatural fats that stay in your body and can't really be used. Just excreted. Try frying it in pure lard and making the gravy out of concentrated bone marrow broth spiced flour and lots of butter.

You don't need to read any study on anything to understand why too much fat in a diet is bad.

1. Your body requires food to create energy to live
2. Energy created by food is measured in calories
3. 1 gram of fat provides a little over double the caloric energy as 1 gram of carbs or protein (9 cals from fat, vs 4 from carbs or protein)
4. Excess intake of calories is converted to fatty tissue for storage in the body
5. Excess fatty tissue puts more strain on the bones, organs, and muscles, and makes it generally harder to move and shortens lifespan

Simply put, if your diet is high in fat, you're getting nearly double the amount of calories per gram of actual food you eat, meaning that you're more likely to go well beyond your body's actual caloric need and end up with excess energy that gets stored as fatty tissue. Being fat is unhealthy. Eating too much fat is therefor unhealthy. No need for dubiously-backed studies or understandings of different sub-types of nutrients.

>>11634920
A good diet is a balanced diet. Ignore retards who follow a fotm diet and decide to completely disregard meat, or disregard fat, or disregard carb. It's all about balance. Just eat a bit of everything, not in excess, and avoid processed stuff.

>>11634920
Because you're already eating shitloads of other carbs on top of it. The carbs are getting burned first while the fat sticks around. I tried this myself and basically lived off of fried food without any sugar and only 20g of carb intake per day and lost 30 pounds in 3 months.

>>11636387
>Protein is bad
Retard

>>11635806
That's a hella nice outdated sloppy paper you're referencing anon. Keto fucks with your microbiota and quite a few hormone pathways. You're confusing me with someone who isn't educated in this shit.

>xD but da paper says its statistically significant!!!
Do you have any idea how easy it is to massage data? What statistically significant even means in this context?

>>11638283
>You don't need to read any study on anything to understand why too much fat in a diet is bad.
>I don't need to read science because I am lazy

>>11638501
I know the studies, I'm just saying that you don't *have* to know it to know why it's not healthy.
It's far more effective to explain to people why something is stupid in simple terms than it is to go full autism on it.

The only thing that makes it unhealthy is that it tastes so good you eat too many.

You could eat 6 chips a day every day and be perfectly healthy.

>>11634946
keto works and ketones are a much better energy source

>>11634920
Because oil isn't fat.

Deep fried foods have a huge amount of calories and isn't dangerous to eat by itself, but it's delicious so retards will continue to eat it in lieu other food, to the detriment to their health.

>>11634946
Rent free