/ck/ - Food & Cooking

england

>>11632489
Seconding this

>>11632475
Both are good.

>>11632475
Dude, Korea. Filthy pigs who eat shit and complain that blatantly superior food is awful.

>>11632507
I'll hop on this train too. Fuck david chang

>>11632475
both are good. food snobs are not limited to any geographic range or culture. i'd like to say though that third worlders have massive inferiority complexes which they make up for with talking up their indigenous recipes (which are nearly always variations on exceedingly common ingredients.) they love to sniff their own farts and really drive home the accents on things. go jump off a bridge.

>>11632556
Oh, man. I could yell and scream about this for days. I lived in Korea for 3 years, my co-workers and I ate at Korean restaurants every day because holy shit Western groceries in Korea? Forgettabout it. It is just the most overrated shit, with absolutely no variety. I mean, every fucking thing tastes the same, and the entire national cuisine is based around a single condiment, gochujang. When you try to show Koreans better food, they sperg out and are just the worst.

David Chang is an insufferable prick.

>>11632475
>>11632475
As an American whos traveled extensively, these are the only two countries WITH merit. Snobs, yes, but their cuisine and ingredients are top notch, so they can afford this attitude. Go culture yourself before you make baseless ramblings kid.

France.

>>11632618
Totally agree. When you make amazing, yummy food, you can be a bit of a snob, because you've earned it. But really, French and Italians aren't THAT snobby, and in my experience are really receptive to new, different cuisine.
>>11632475
>without merit
nigga they got all kinds of merit

>>11632475
Out of those two? France for sure. There's nothing snobby about Italian cuisine.

>french food
>snobby

>french food
>snobby

>french food

>snobby

Pro tip for our 56% friends: regular food that regular people eat in France isn't snobby, but haute cuisine from all around the world is (sorry if French people set the standards for it though)

>>11633267
>>11633262
>>11633261
>popular/simpler food cannot exist simultaneously as haute cuisine
dont get me wrong though you posted 3 absolute delicacies

>>11633235
you don't know any italians do you? they have a hyper regional stick up their bums

>>11633267
>raclette
>french

>>11633291
>popular/simpler food cannot exist simultaneously as haute cuisine

Sure but my point is that haute cuisine exists in basically every country that isn't a third world shithole, even though it originated in France

There's no such thing as snob traditional cuisine as most regional dishes that exist were made by peasants

>>11633304
It comes from a part of Switzerland that should have been annexed by France a long time ago

>>11632475
Literally the two best cuisines in the world so I forgive them for their aloofness.

>>11633297
Kek. It's euro hours someone post a thread on how to make a proper lasagne and lets see what happens.

>>11632566
I lived in a few third world countries for a while and I definitely agree with that.

>>11632475
>>11632618
>>11632628
etc
French and Italians put a lot of dedication and self-conciousness into cooking, experimenting and discussing it with one another. It is a topic that truly matters to them, thus the snobbism, I would guess.

Americans will get snob and argue about which region has the best BBQ, pizza, tacos, etc when their entire culinary culture is mediocre.

Imo italians aren't snobbish but fairly conservative when it comes to cooking. You make thing the traditional way and you don't adapt foreign influences as easily.

USA.
Their food has zero merit yet they still get all uppity about it.
Don’t start me on the wine over there...

England. NOT Britain, just England. England's "best" and most famous dishes are just grim hangover curing breakfasts.

>>11632475
Snob:
>a person who believes that their tastes in a particular area are superior to those of other people
Yup, that’s amerifats.

>>11633262
Just looked this up because it looks fantastic and I want to make it. Found this:
Reblochon is not available in the United States, as it is unpasteurised and has not been sufficiently aged to pass U.S. import laws.
Which is ironic when noting the number of clueless sharters in this thread having a go at France and England. As ever, I’m glad I’m not American.

>>11634224
...at best

>>11634256
>Don’t start me on the wine over there...
US wine is OK. It would be even more OK if they could stick to a standardized label design, so you could figure out alcohol content and whether it's dry/demi-dry/demi-sweet/whatever without having to comb through 20 lines of marketing blurb.

>>11632475
Korea

>>11634224
>absorbs food culture and puts an american spin on it (more bacon, more cheese, more sugar)
>Claims to have perfected the dish
>Goes absolutely apeshit if the french do the same

>>11632566
Yeah okay so much this.
Fucking Sri Lankans curries man. It's just rice and some random spice mix, don't pretend it's advanced secret ancestral recipes.

Every latino chef on every cooking show is insufferable.

>>11634792
Maybe because you kept asking how to make homemade taco shells

>>11634880
faggots never do it either.
some times i think they are jihadis taking advantage of their shit colored skin and infiltrating latin america so they can ride the brown wave into the US.
this is exactly why we need a wall.

>>11632569
But they have good bulgolgi beef aaaand... Yeah I got nothing else that's the one thing they make I like.

>>11632475
Italy by far. I mean cacio e pepe? You gotta be fucking kidding.

>>11632489
No. England has/had a bunch of money and their food reflects upon their area. For the record, it's still not great. The TV chefs you hear about are French classically trained mostly.
>>11632507
I'm not buying that either. There's definitely a Korean flavor profile, but it's their shit is quite different than Western stuff. That and it sounds suspiciously weeb. But seriously. Fuck David Chang.
>>11633235
I like a good beefaroni too. They might be the worst as far as snobs go.
>Americans
Chili fags need to die

The French though. They really put food and prep into a different light. They should proud and we should be happy they did. French chefs used to be customary in wealthy homes throughout Europe and Asia to a certain extent. They don't eat the same way they used to it seems. If more people were into whatever is fresh and in season, food would taste better in general. Work with what you have and take enough care to prepare it correctly. That should be what anybody wants

>>11634937
Cacio e pepe, or aglio olio peperoncino are poverty-tier foods, anon. They're literally a bunch of boiled dough with some flavorings.

>>11634922
Don't forget hyper-spicy rabokki, the greatest food a somaek-drunk intern ever came up with.

Italy

Indians. They're like Italians, except its Mexican tier when it comes to the spices. It's all just the contents of a diaper with garam masala.

chinese
50% of a dish is some random flavor shit so when ever theres a dish you can only eat 50% of it. and they make everything extra oily and salty

>>11634256
>Don’t start me on the wine over there...
The French themselves think its the best in the world
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judgment_of_Paris_(wine)

>>11635185
Amd they've been ass-hurt ever since, and they've been trying to push a narrative (via sommelier courses, oenology treatises etc.) that French wine is the only 'right' way to make wine. This ironically fucks over the other European wine styles (Spanish, German, Italian, Greek, Magyar, Romanian etc.).

>>11635185
Although Spurrier had invited many reporters to the original 1976 tasting, the only reporter to attend was George M. Taber from TIME magazine, who promptly revealed the results to the world.[13] The horrified and enraged leaders of the French wine industry then banned Spurrier from the nation's prestigious wine-tasting tour for a year, apparently as punishment for the damage his tasting had done to its former image of superiority.[2] The tasting was not covered by the French press, who almost ignored the story. After nearly three months, Le Figaro published an article titled "Did the war of the cru take place?" describing the results as "laughable," and said they "cannot be taken seriously."[3] Six months after the tasting, Le Monde wrote a similarly toned article.[3]

The New York Times reported that several earlier tastings had occurred in the U.S., with American chardonnays judged ahead of their French rivals. One such tasting occurred in New York just six months before the Paris Tasting, but "champions of the French wines argued that the tasters were Americans with possible bias toward American wines. What is more, they said, there was always the possibility that the Burgundies had been mistreated during the long trip from the (French) wineries." The Paris Wine Tasting of 1976 had a revolutionary impact on expanding the production and prestige of wine in the New World.[2] It also "gave the French a valuable incentive to review traditions that were sometimes more accumulations of habit and expediency, and to reexamine convictions that were little more than myths taken on trust."

By fucking god what a bunch of pretentious shit eating faggots.

>>11634526
Such cope.
I’m from California and I know it’s all shit.

>>11635162
>bits of chicken strewn in a bed of lightly fried dried chilies

>>11632507
to be fair, you have to have a very developed palette to appreciate Korean food

>>11635408
>I live here!!!
Just because you butt-chug Miller Lite in California doesn’t mean your opinion on wine means anything

German food, yeesh.
>ACK YES ZE BRAD IS RASINS
fuck off

>>11635408
Chigga ples, I'm a low-level functioning alchy (so it's beer, 'hard' cider, or wine) and I can tell when the stuff I'm drinking is plonk. And Cali wine isn't, but the retarded-ass labels don't help when you're looking for some simple descriptors like residual sugars.

>>11635162
Asian cuisine in general is pretty boring and overrated.

Chinese at least don't try to pretend their food is top notch like Koreans do. Chinese Americans on the other hand think they're so cultured and "le asian" because they grew up eating meat, oily vegetables, eggs, and rice. Some of the most bland and tasteless food I ever ate was Cantonese. Sichuan cooking is good, but again the Chinese douse their shit in oil.

It's not surprising because Chinese live in a huge superiority complex so it passes down to their descendants, but I seriously wish they'd stop pretending their food is the best in the world.

Koreans got all pissy that everyone enjoys Japanese food, and now people pretend beef, shoyu, rice, and kimchi is the epitome of delicious cuisine. Don't get me wrong it's okay, but totally boring compared to Japanese.

>>11635424
>have to have a very developed palette to appreciate Korean food
> very developed palette
> palette

In your expert opinion, are any of these palettes developed enough for Korean food? If not, can you recommend one?

>>11635456
shoyu is Japanese brainlet. also I’m not saying Korean cuisine is the best (even though I like it) but, for me, it doesn’t boil down to Korean bbq. There are some genuinely enjoyable and complex Korean dishes like kimchi jiggae. Also their street food is out of this world. I think most people that bash other cuisines haven’t really explored them. The only ones that I can think of that are honestly terrible are Irish and British.

>>11635459
Wow. You sure showed him, spelling nerd. How’s your girlfriend?

>>11635468
Irish and British done proper are pretty good tbqh. Offal sausages and stews are fantastic.

>>11635471
>Wow. You sure showed him, spelling nerd.
someone's buttmad.

>>How's your girlfriend?
I don't have one, but my wife is fine, thanks for asking.

>>11635492
m8...

>>11635468
I put shoyu because I'm not going to waste my time with the filter on the word s o y.

I have explored Korean food. I don't think it's bad(and I actually do like it) but it is most definitely the most mediocre 'trendy' cuisine.

Asian food is the most overrated because it's safe enough for Americans to enjoy it and pretend to be cultured. And Asian Americans jerk each other off about it.
The fact is that food from other parts of the world simply eclipses Asian food.

Take your pick of European cooking, South Asian cooking, Latin American cooking, or Middle Eastern cooking. They're all much more interesting and flavorful than the trendy Asian food of the year.

>irish and english food are bad
I see you fell for the meme.

>>11635507
give her bull a pat on the back for me will you

>>11635514
I’ll agree that England and Ireland are a meme, I should never have gone

>>11635514

>>11635512
Beans and bread are great though are actually fucking stupid?

>>11635514
Soy isn't filtered on /ck/ ya fucking mongoloid /pol/ poster.

>>11635514
>Irish food is better than all of asia’s food
this is a very interesting opinion. you must really like cabbage and potatoes

>>11635566
>and now for the pièce de résistance...the pinnacle of British culinary suave...

>>11635571
>/pol/
>implying

>>11635572
>trendy asian food of the year is all asian food
Who taught you how to read?
Filipino and Japanese are the best of the bunch.
Korean is overrated, Chinese is too vast to judge as a whole but generally is just meat and vegetables(often Cabbage) drenched in oil and soy sauce.
In terms of European cooking, most Northern European countries are worse than most Asian cooking, I'll concede that.

But most Asian cooking is overrated and vastly bland, especially Korean.

>>11632475
Unironically, America.
It's not your fault America, you've been lured into the belief that the more ingredients crammed into a dish, the better.
I listen to some of the horrific two-paragraph-description dishes that get thrown up in shows like Hell's Kitchen and just wonder if it's not a cover for incompetence.
Following that, Thai. Their food is the flavour equivalent of a bucket of silverware and china being thrown down a set of concrete steps.

>>11635606
Surely Japanese food has once been trendy anon and, thereby, at that point (whenever you want that point to be) ALL european food was better (since you said I could take my pick of Europe). Filipino, I’m sure, has also been trendy at some point. Don’t have such vague goalposts if you don’t want them to be all-inclusive. Pretty simple logic. Taught myself to read btw

>someone's buttmad.

lmao I know! It's >>11635507
first day on the internet? wipe those tears from your eyes and get some thicker skin. Try not to take everything personally.

>>11635582
you do realise that's the equivalent of saying nachos and cheese is the pinnacle of mexican cuisine?

nips, chinks, or gooks

>>11635606
Go back please newfag. You aren’t welcome.

>>11635606
>generally is just meat and vegetables(often Cabbage) drenched in oil and soy sauce.
Not too bright, are you?

>>11633297
You missed the part "without merit" from the OP my dear frog eater friend.

>>11635606
what the fuck did you just say about my meatballs you prick!?

>>11632475
italians are the white trash of european cuisine

>>11632489
Nonsense, we eat literally anything. Italians are the only people I've seen who only want to eat in Italian restaurants no matter what country they are in and then spend 80% of the time bitching about the quality.

Then when I went to Italy I found out they do the same shit there too lol.

>>11633319
Better yet: what is the right way to make carbonara.

>>11638173
>Oh no no, this is not being like baba makes it in Hyderabad
Brits are just as bad.

>>11632475
coastie America
/thread

all these assumptions about cuisines in this thread are hilarious and also greatly depressing.
I think every cuisine can be fantastic if done right, even if it doesn't appeal to my personal taste. traditional food is sometimes terrible and sometimes it's the best thing you'll eat in a country.

>>11638690
Traditional food is the only food you'll get to eat in Italy.

The only people who get worked up over Italian food are non-Italians. Every Italian says "Yeah, my nonna used to to make me spaghetti and meatballs" and then some mangiacake whitey comes around complaining "THAT'S NOT REAL ITALIAN. THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY EAT IN ITALY". Italians only get worked up if you fuck up the cooking process which is usually quite simple.

>>11632628
>When you make amazing, yummy food, you can be a bit of a snob, because you've earned it.
I cringe at the word "yummy", but this sentiment is spot on. The French and Italians aren't snobby, they just know better than most other countries when it comes to food. This comes off as snobbery to people who don't know any better.

>>11638800
>know better than most other countries
I think we both know who the exception is...

>>11635456
>totally boring compared to Japanese
wtf man? how do you end up with an oinion like that?....korean food is basicly jappanese food with a wider pantry and more robust and punchier flavours

>>11634518
>Reblochon is not available in the United States, as it is unpasteurised and has not been sufficiently aged to pass U.S. import laws.
This guy
https://youtu.be/QAI5BTuQZ1k at 0:22
uses a cheese called Empereur, he is located in Quebec.
Doesn't look really like real Reblochon but I thought this could help you.

>>11633305
>It comes from a part of Switzerland that should have been annexed by France a long time ago
Never ever™

>>11638150
So how come that it's the most popular cuisine worldwide? The country is not anywhere near as big as China, the population is a small fraction of the chinks. They still managed to make their cuisine the most well known around the world.

>>11638893
Because most Italian cuisine you find outside of Italia and neighboring countries are usually the (relatively) easy recipes that can easily be adapted to local tastes.

>>11638173
>then spend 80% of the time bitching about the quality.
Maybe because the quality sucks and not up to their standards. It's not the fault of the Italians, but restaurants, just think about the things that are getting labeled as pizza in the US...

>>11638899
Is that a bad thing?

>>11638195
>>>>Implying

>>11638935
Not really. But you can contrast that with real french cuisine (talking about things like Lièvre à la Royale here) that takes a lot of time and specific ingredients.

>>11638908
I thought so too, but like I said, when I went to Italy, and my Italian friends all did the same shit their with restaurants they recommended I figured they are all like this. Even when we had dinner at their houses they'd complain that the guy at the market stiffed them today. I just find it funny.

Mongolia

>>11635083
>Italy
we all know this ain't it...

>>11634256
>implying anyone claims this

why does everyone hate david chang? first time i've heard of him

>>11635514
Senpai South Asian and the Middle East are both in Asia

Definitely Italians.

>>11635401
The order of my preferred wine origins:
>1) Cypriot (Commandario)
>2) Greek
>3) Spanish
>4) Syrian
> +9999) French

>>11642921
I love South African wine.

>Korea
Have some decent food that became a meme in America, therefore think they have the best food ever when really most of it is shit. Belligerent, likely bitter due to being left in the dust by the Japs in cuisine since forever.
>America
Can't figure out anything more complex than a piece of meat on a grill, thinks it's the best thing ever. Everything else is food taken from added countries doused in grease, butter, and unhealthy chemicals. In a massive culinary knowledge vacuum, likely to genuinely think steak is the best food ever or that New York "pizza" is real pizza. Thinks anything that takes more than 2 steps to make is "pretentious". Will also suck off the 7/10 Mexican cuisine because it's the only country they border with decent food. Extremely belligerent and prone to sperging out, very likely to turn any cuisine argument to chest thumping about their AR-15s and military.
>China
Sheltered due to censorship and pumped full of nationalism, seem to think their food can't be beat. Mostly will thump their chests about quantity of ingredients and strong taste, doesn't understand that just making food stronger does not equal making it better. Mysteriously silent about all the horrid insect food they eat too.
Take your pick.

>>11642921
Your taste are shit

>>11644091
a bit obsessive I’d say

italians 100%

>my mothers sauce

fuck you and your pastanog goblin mother

Italian guy here.
l'll say that we ltalian people are kinda snobby and conservative when dealing with our cuisine.
On social media you'll find MANY people talking down other kinds of cuisine, especially when non-ltalians make their own version of our typical plates.
Anyway, if you ate poorly in Italy, it could be because you ate in a tourists-kind of restaurant, where they serve overpriced food of bad quality, usually scamming tourists that don't know any better.
l can guarantee you that many restaurants here serve outstandingly good food.
By the way, no, spaghetti and meatball are NOT a typical ltalian plate.

>>11635471
Everyday I see multiple people doing that same mistake. It's a cooking board ffs how can you people not even know how to spell a basic word?

>>11644136
Post yours then fagit, I bet you’re all about those “fancy” French and Italian or whatever new American rum barrel-aged shite they got going nowadays

>>11644524
You don’t do a mistake m8; you make a mistake. Study up

>>11635514
>doesn't know that soy isn't filtered here because it's a cooking board
gtfo newfag retard

>>11644508
It's primarily amerilards who dis foreign restaurants because in the unlikely event they have a passport and travel to another country, they're scared to go anywhere there aren't a majority of american tourists congregated. So of course they deservedly get served similar pig slop they're used to. The small percentage willing to explore, know better. Same thing was true of the British in their colonial heyday. Per Kipling, it's just the "white man's burden," lol!

>>11644091
I rate Korean food above Japanese, because Japanese food tends to be 'subtle' a.k.a. bland as fuck meme-tier stuff.

>Insect food
Not fazed by it one bit. If it doesn't give me explosive diarrhea, I'm up for it. Only thing about Chinese food, I wish they treated their food animals better. Like, at least stun that poor chicken before slicing its throat open.

>>11638173
>this triggers the italians

>>11645312
>at least stun that poor chicken before slicing its throat open.

At least the chinese kill the animal dead before they serve it, the same cannot be said for the japanese and koreans.

>>11635514
>general tsos chicken
>cultured
I think you mean Thai

>>11645322