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Macallan 12, yamazaki, speysides.

>>11580458

>>11580458
Don't start with Scotch, start with something less heavy
Also as I assume you haven't been drinking too much before either, drinking any kind of expensive or cheap whiskey will taste like shit at the beginning so just grab a bottle of something okay from the store and drink it

>>11580697
Is Jack okay? Have had jack and coke before, but I assume it hides the flavour quite alot

Woodford reserve

Irish whiskey is great for beginners. It's smooth and fairly cheap. I like Bushmills and Tullamore Dew.

>>11580710
not that anon but I don't like jack personally. It's filtered through charcoal which gives it that kind of flavor. Plenty of people like it obviously though.

>>11580710
Jack is terrible and not even cheap.

Get a bottom shelf bourbon like Benchmark or Rebel Yell. Even Evan Williams or Jim Beam are better than Jack.

>>11580458
Whiskey is a broad word for different styles. Scotch, bourbon, rye Canadian irish, etc. Try one of each and decide which you like best, thenbuy different brands of the same style and go from there. Eventually your tast will mature and you can move on to different styles

>>11580710
Jack is okay if you're aiming to drink bourbon, since as this anon said >>11580725 it has a specific charcoaly kind of flavor so it might not be a good representation of the term 'whiskey', but yeah Jack would be okay, hell you might even really like it by the time you finish the bottle, you won't like the Scotch bottle you're trying to drink neat and hate the test as so many people that feverishly want to start being viewed as drinking whiskey do
Jim Beam is cheap and also a bourbon
Jameson is Irish and cheap and it's not that heavy
Suit yourself anon
If you go out and have the opportunity to drink cocktails sometimes, try something like Manhattan

>>11580728
fuck off you snobby hipster

>>11580458
get J&B scotch, it's cheap and decent
you'd be wasting money buying glenfiddich if you don't already like whiskey

>>11580760
Suck my cock faggot. Jack isn't even bourbon.

Thanks anons, I'll start slow with an entry level bourbon and try out other whiskeys later on.

Happy holidays

>>11580800
Then what the fuck is it? If you say Tennessee whiskey bad thing will happen in your life for being an insufferable faggot, don't say Tennessee whiskey

>>11580458
Start with bourbon. Mid shelf stuff like Makers Mark or Pendleton will get your foot in the door. From here move upward to Knob Creek and Woodford Reserve. Once you’re well acquainted with those try something more adventurous like Bookers (add a touch of water, it’s hot!)
Next it’s on to high rye. Bullit is a good starting place. Try the Canadian blends.
Irish Whiskey warrants exploration, if you’re into that sort of thing. Paddy’s might be the best deal in whiskey, period.
After all this you can start to appreciate a fine scotch. After consuming a river of highlands, your taste buds will be so confused that the only thing you’ll want neat is a proper Islay scotch. Lagavulin and Bruichladdich are heaven.

>>11580814
Charred barrel charcoal filter whiskeey with 2 e's. It may as well be a novelty like southern comfort.

holy fucking cringe, alchie containment thread

Somebody gifted me the cinnamon Jack Daniels. How bad is it?

>>11580814
Call it whatever you want besides bourbon.

>>11580458
I enjoy Stranahan's as a nice everyday whiskey.

It's a Colorado all-locally sourced small batch single-malt bourbon process, cut with super clean rocky mountain water. And averages only about $50 a bottle.

>>11580728
Based

>>11580814
Tennessee whiskey

>>11580473
>something for beginners
>Macallan 12, yamazaki, speysides
Kys

>>11580710
No, start with a good cheap Bourbon (made in Kentucky) like Buffalo Trace. I would not recommend buying a large bottle until you know what you like. Try the 50ml bottles first. Most liquor stores have a decent selection up front at the cash register first. Stay away from whiskey liquers. They're syrup.

>>11580834
You do realise other producers use the exact same process and market their product as 'bourbon'? Tennessee whiskey is just an abstract term, like 'conventional current'.

Everybody knows that Ardbeg Uigeadail is the best scotch under $100, but what is the second best?

>>11580458

>>11580560
I'll second this choice.

>>11580458
One does not "plan" to get into whisky.
(unless one is a faggot zoomer)

>>11580725
Tullamor dew is good

I'm drinking Woodford Reserve rye right now as my first rye and it's pretty good, but I think it still has a lot of the syrupy caramel sweetness that I taste in all the bourbons I've tried. I know this one is relatively low on rye content, should I try something stronger or is american whiskey maybe just not for me? I have yet to find one that I like as much as I like scotch for drinking neat. Bourbon and rye do make great cocktails, though.

>>11580473
My wife got me a bottle of Macallan 12 for my birthday. Damn, that stuff is delicious.

>>11580710
Jack is without a doubt one of the worst whiskies with the best marketing out there.
There is no reason a whiskey that terrible should be as popular as it is.

>>11580827
>moving up to Knob Creek
>not starting with Knob Creek because it's so shitty there's nowhere to go but up

KC was one of the very few bourbons that I absolutely could not get myself to enjoy.

>>11580458
The perfect whisky is like the perfect girlfriend - sweet, smooth, and aged exactly twelve years.

>>11580458
Glenmorangie 10 year is a really easy and light scotch

>>11582570
>"Into Whiskey"
just a nice excuse to get drunk
"What?! no most certainly not! i m not an alcoholic.I m just sampling these fine whiskeys so i can post my review at r/whiskey"
I hope you lose your liver and your wife cheats on you

>>11583120
I don't know why Jack is so fucking popular. Is it just the marketing? The shit tastes like ass.

>>11580458
Get a bottle of Jameson and Macallan.

>>11580458
Bulliet

>>11584296
Bulliet Rye Whiskey*

>Mothafkn Cowboy Style

>>11580458
Just fuckin drink some booze gayboi.
Fags who try to become a consumer level connoisseur are only wasting their money and fooling themselves.
If you aint rich just fucking grow up and become an alcoholic or cook meth or something reasonable.


If you are rich, can travel, can spend years training your palette and educating yourself about whichever sphere of food or drink you plan on becoming a fancy faggot in, then sure, go for it, spend thousands and thousands of dollars so you can make gay little comments about whatever you are eating or drinking to people who don't give a shit.
I'm sure listening to french (your gunna have to learn french too, the gayest of languages) niggers drone on about overtones and mouthfeel will be worth all the time and effort.

>>11584310
Spot on. I found my fave whisky was a cheap supermarket own brand scotch. If OP is worried about appearances buy a decanter.

>>11580458
Glen Moray or other Speysides if you want to start with single malt, JW Black or Ballantine's if you want blended. Jameson or Tullamore DEW if you want to get into Irish whiskey.

I started with this. It's reasonably cheap as single malts go and very accessible.

>>11582131
>Ardbeg anything

DUDE

PEAT

LMAO

>>11580560
bartender here. this.
it's a blend of some of the finest scotches and it's pretty decently priced.

>>11580710
that's bourbon. it's like drinking gin the first time you want to try vodka. totally different shit

I'm pretty partial to oban. Fairly pleasant drink for breaking into scotch side of whiskey. Just make sure that if you're purchasing it to try it out you go for Little bay and not oban 14. From there you can branch out into different whiskeys.

>>11585125
I quite liked Oban 14. Brine mixed with carrots and citrus, with just enough peat to give it a meaty and savory body; liked it so much I tracked down a Distillers Edition.

I've never had Little Bay, what's it like?

I started with Jameson, OP.
It's friendly, light, pleasant, and available virtually everywhere.

Now, what should I drink?

>>11583109
Rye whiskey was a lot more popular 100 yrs ago but it has since fallen out of favor in the US and isn't as popular as it used to be. It's supposed to be peppery with an aroma of vanilla and ripe fruits, and shouldn't be corn-sweet like bourbon. There are still a few decent ones like Rittenhouse (my tried and true), Michter's, and Bulleit. If you want more selection, you're better off looking to northern neighbors. The Canadians know their rye so if you get the chance, grab a bottle of Lot 40, Whistlepig, Alberta Distillers Rye, Crown Northern Harvest, or Canadian Club 100% Rye.

>>11584209
The same reason why Johnny Walker is the best selling scotch in the world, and Coke the best selling cola. They all make an extremely consistent product whose taste doesn't deviate from bottle to bottle, or batch to batch. And they can outproduce the competition to flood the market and keep the price low and affordable enough to ensure perpetual mass consumption. Afterwards they spend a ton of money on branding and marketing to associate the name with an ideal, i.e. JD being the quintessential American booze of choice.

This may be almost blasphemous since I live outside Lynchburg, but I personally dont prefer to drink regular JD if I had a choice. There are so many other better whiskies being made nowadays. That being said, I do give it props for being the icon that it is. Plus their single barrel line is actually breddy gud.

>>11585215
>Plus their single barrel line is actually breddy gud.
Gentleman Jack isn't too bad, either.

>>11585161
The body is a bit more fruity and complex than the 14, more savory too. It's admittedly not as strong on the finish as 14 but definitely drier and a lot of people myself included would describe it as being peppery. Been meaning to hunt down a distiller's edition myself at some point before Christmas to split with my father since it's the first drink we'd ever shared.

>>11584637
>I don't like peat
t.woman

>>11585560
I love peated whisky. I just don't like meme peat. It's like when yanks do IPAs by saying MOAR HOPS and forget to put flavour in.

Ardbeg is hollow. It's smoke without the underlying richness to make it actually taste good.

>>11580458
Go to the store and buy whatever looks good, read the descriptions, and figure out what flavors you might enjoy and get some of that. Dont listen to whiskey snobs they are full of shit, drink what you enjoy and try something new here and there. Better yet, drink it with friends and family, so you will have those good memories whenever you drink it again.

>>11585764
>Don't listen to the people you literally asked for recommendations from
Nigga u dumb

>>11580458
For me it's Canadian Club

>>11580717
i agree thats my favorite whisky.
im living in germany, 35€ a bottle how much does it cost in america?

>>11586236
They're about 30-35 bucks in America.

>>11580728
2nding Evan Williams

>>11580458
Actually, babies shouldn't drink any whisky.

for me it's the Crown Royal Northern Harvest Rye™

>>11585676
>Ardbeg is hollow. It's smoke without the underlying richness to make it actually taste good.
I could see how someone would say that about Ardbeg 10 but certainly not the immensely complex Uigeadail. I don't think you've had the Oogey.

>>11585676
What's a better peated whiskey than Ardbeg besides Lagavullin?

Single malt scottish only here, anyone else?

>>11585215
>Rittenhouse
My man.
>Lot 40
Can't agree with you here. As a Canadian with Lot 40 reliably available and routinely discounted, I regularly give it a miss.

>>11586787
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>>11585215
JD is absolute shit, no fixing it with words

>>11586737
I'd rank Uigeadail over Lagavulin 16, even. Tasting them side by side, Uigeadail essentially tastes like Lagavulin 16 plus more flavors.

>>11580458

>>11586737
I like Laphroaig better, but most people seem to like Ardbeg over Laphroaig.

>>11586699
I've not tried it, admittedly. Maybe I will some day. I just wouldn't want to buy a bottle of it knowing how much I didn't like the ardbeg I've tried.

>>11586737
The only peat heavy scotch better than Lagavulin 16 is their distillers edition. Uigeadail was Ardbeg attempting complexity of flavor; however they took to it with their same lead-foot they have for application of peat. Corryvreckan; essentially being a glorified distillers edition, has true refinement so try that one.
>>11586916
If you want a peaty scotch with more flavors I'd recommend Caol Ila, Talisker, or even the Lagavulin 8. The eight year bottling has a wider palate of flavors including tropical fruits and a creamy texture as opposed to the traditional oily, coffee-like texture of their flagship.

>>11587061
Ardbeg > Lagavulin > Laphroaig, but I love them all.

Any opinions on Glenfarclas? Especially the 12 year old.

I'm trying to buy a gift bottle for my bro and it's
seemingly the "best one" I could easily get a hold of. I'm running out of time and I don't want to give him anything too shit.

>>11587978
Lagavulin is so much more pleasant to drink, I can't explain it but somehow it just tastes like a comfy leather armchair by a fireplace. I haven't found another whisky that makes me feel like that. I still like Ardbeg and Laphroaig and they're a lot cheaper, but they're a step below that in my opinion.

>>11583134
Underrated

>>11580458
If you want to go safe Johnny Walker black label or green label are pretty smooth and they're not exotic, it's simple and honest.

If you want to try something a bit different and you like smoked aromas, I'd say try an Islay whiskey, Bowmore, it's made by smoking seaweed and it's real damn interesting taste.

>>11580458
Fiddich 12 is fine if you’re only starting to drink neat as it’s quite clean and easy drinking like an Irish with more apple and pear forward flavour notes.
Outside of that I’d say try any sherried Speyside at 46% ABV like Glenfarclas 15 if you really want an idea of different styles or Bunnahabhain 12 if you want to know how deep the scotch rabbit hole can go.

>>11584206
>implying anyone other then al/ck/ rejects uses /r/whiskey
Also all the actual reviews are on individual spirits forums (scotch, bourbon and worldwhisky) but the only reason I bother to go there is because /ck/ is fucking shit when it comes to whisky especially single malt scotch especially when all discussion here is of distillery bottlings and no independent bottlings.

>>11588853
>it's made by smoking seaweed
You mean it's made by smoking peat that has seaweed in it.

>>11580458
Start with somewhat pricey irish whiskey. Red breast or something.

>>11590444
Er, I should really rephrase this.
It's made by drying barley with peat smoke. The peat has seaweed in it.
Neither peat nor seaweed actually ends up in the whisky itself. Their flavor is transferred to the barley via smoke.

>>11585161
little bay is worse 14y/o with less fruit (peaches mainly), a drier finish, more smoke and a bit more salt
I would recommend to avoid it in favor of the 14y/o or the 18y/o

picked up a bottle of this but still haven't found a calm half an hour to try it
you guys have any opinion on this series?
the red labeled spyeside bottle seems to be the best amon the three but I could only find the blue label highlands one

I don't have high hopes as it's a caramel colored NAS whisky, but it says single malt and it has a very, very convincing packaging so who knows

>>11580458

>>11580814

The requirements for tennessee whiskey happen to contain the requirements for bourbon.
Tennessee whiskey being given legal definition was an attempt by Jack Daniels to snuff out the other Tennessee businesses by making sure they couldn't put it on their labels unless they were charcoal filtering, and therefore the special name of "Tennessee whiskey" would be associated purely with JD.

>>11591430

I've only ever had the Triple Wood. How do ten and QC compare?

>>11580827
this guy is right.
babbys whiskeys: jim beam, tullamore dew
better but not rich tier: makers mark, woodford

>>11584209
Lemmy drank it. Rock n roll whiskey. They branded it that way

>>11585194
the sagamore spirit is what I'd ask for if I was at your place

>>11589245
>when all discussion here is of distillery bottlings and no independent bottlings.
I think you mean "Mass Production" versus "independent." Because all hard spirit makers are some kind of distillery.

>>11589245
You mean high-fidelity artisan craft bottlings? Or distillers that dont operate under a corporate umbrella? Limited production runs are rare and expensive, more than what a typical anon can afford; ergo, conversation in regards to these products dont happen. As for the business side of things conglomeration was to be expected. Considering the investment of resources and time required to make most standard bottlings, the distilleries needed to make sure their livelihoods and funding were assured.

>>11592908
>high-fidelity

>>11585194
how dyou manage to accumulate so many half empty bottle without just finishing an entire one the day you buy it

>>11580839
Jack in general is trash and flavored whiskey has no business calling itself "whiskey".

I die inside every time I hear some partying dude-bro or thot calling Fireball whiskey.

>>11584637
Have you ever tried it or are you just trying to meme? Peated whiskies are amazing.
My three favorite whiskies are Lagavullin16, Ardbeg 10 and Macallan 12.

>>11585194
>game of thrones meme whisky

>>11588853
The green label now is not the green label they used to have.
Before, it was god-tier. Easily the best JW bottling in their line up. Miles ahead of there blue label meme.
But they discontinued it for a while and when they brought it back the flavor was changed. It's nothing like their old one. The one now just seems to flat and boring. I still have my bottle of the new green expecting it to be like the old. I'll probably never finish it.

>>11593891
>how dyou manage to accumulate so many half empty bottle without just finishing an entire one the day you buy it
Because we aren't all alcoholics, Karen, and some people get whiskey for the taste, and in cases like that, build a large collection they can have a variety choice to pick from.

>>11580458
Glenmorangie, you should try that. It's not that expensive ~25£, but you will feel difference.

>>11582131
Dude

Ardberg is peat, peat everywhere. I like my peat from time to time, but it's definitely not a drink anyone can enjoy. Why buy expensive whisky for Christmas, and drink it yourself because most of your family can't swallow this thing?

>>11584633
I prefer sherry cask finish version, but what he said. It's cheap AND good.

>>11594151
My whole family literally likes Ardbeg but then again we've always preferred strong, flavorful beers like imperial stouts as well.
I'm sorry you come from a family of plebs with weak, girly tongues.

>>11594009
If you have it for the taste, why do you keep it in half empty bottles for long? The exposure to air is going to degrade that stuff badly long before before it's two thirds empty.

>>11594168
Well, back in Poland we are just drinking vodka, my family is absolutely pleb tier in this regard

,,alcohol is not supposed to be tasty anon, it's supposed to be hot. If you like the taste of alcohol, you're an alcoholic!"

At least my mum likes Glenfiddish and other smooth whisky's just fine

>>11580458
to be honest I actually recommend going to a bar and trying a few different types of whiskey. sure, it's cheaper to buy a bottle but if you end up with something you don't like you're stuck with a bottle of it. if you're looking for some scotch recommendations, Glenfiddich and glenlivet 12 are good beginner single malts, Monkey shoulder or johnny walker black label are some decent blended scotches to try. if you're looking for Irish you really can't go wrong with jamieson or bushmills, but redbreast 12 is FANTASTIC albeit more expensive. I can't really recommend bourbons since I don't drink them but I've been told that four roses single barrel and Buffalo trace are pretty good for the price.

some of my favourites are Ardbeg 10 and Bunnahabhain 12 but I don't know if they're the best choice for a first whiskey.

>>11580800
oh can people please FUCK OFF with this stupid marketing bullshit. Jack calls themselves Tennessee whiskey, and sure there's a minor distinction since they filter their whiskey through maple charcoal, but apart from that they fit into every requirement to be called a bourbon. Jack Daniels can be called bourbon, just bourbons that aren't made in Tennessee and filtered through maple charcoal can't be called Tennessee whiskey. this is just as retarded as saying that scotch isn't whiskey because it's called scotch.

>>11592016
which makes Tennessee whiskey a subcategory of bourbon, it does not mean that it can't be called a bourbon

>>11594169
with a half bottle you can keep it for like 6 months and have minimal problems

>>11580458
Anything with Glen in the name is usually a good choice
I also recommend monkey shoulder. It's got a cool bottle you can do bottle-related shit with when you're finished.

>>11594169
>The exposure to air is going to degrade that stuff badly long before before it's two thirds empty.
Whiskey doesn't degrade like wine does, it's fine.

>>11594157
I haven't tried the Glen Moray Sherry Cask, but the Elgin Classic & Peated were terrible - cheap & nasty... so avoid those imho. If you're spending £22 you could get a bottle of something decent (on offer) for £25.

>>11589237
Bunnahabhain 12 reminds me of mince pies & xmas cake so it's ideal for this time of year, maybe a bit sweet for my tastes generally but good stuff for winter season.

Laphroaig Quarter Cask > Ardbeg 10
;)

>>11592176
No I mean bottlings of distilleries done by someone other then the distillery owners. An example would be a 2006 Ardmore bottled by Archives versus Ardmore Legacy which is bottled by Beam Suntory as a distillery branded whisky. I never see anyone here talk about Gordon and Macphail, Signatory, Cadenhead’s, Adelphi, Blackadder, Douglas Laing, etc. and only about core range of basic bitch distilleries like Glenlivet and Glenmorangie.
Also most bottlers own distilleries (e.g. Benromach owned by G&M, Edradour owned by Signatory) sure but they aren’t a certain specific distillery.
>>11592908
>high-fidelity artisan craft bottlings
No I mean just cask strength non-distillery core range bottles in general or done by someone who isn’t the distillery owner. The only cask strength whisky talked about here are A’bunadh, Ardbeg Uige and Ardbeg Corry.

>>11594169
Most cask strength whisky can last and even improve in an opened bottle for years. I’ve had many old bottles that were opened years ago and they still taste insanely good especially peated whiskies like Brora and Caol Ila.

>>11591237
and so I found the time to try this, here's my impressions:
looks very nice, nice box, nice bottle, nice, if stupid, cork, nice color (it has added caramel), nice labels
it has a pleasant smell, usual malt, a bit of apple, a tiny bit of nuts, a tiny tiny bit of alcohol
it has a more oily consistency than probably all of the other good whiskeys I've tried, the flavor is peaty but not very much, pretty inoffensive, kinda sweet, with notes of pain brioche, nuts, maybe a bit of peanuts, and honey, mainly pain brioche and honey, and the taste becomes a bit salty after you swallow it
most definitely not dry
it has a pleasant aftertaste of candied orange peel and honey

everything is a bit muffled, like I'm listening to a good quality speaker with a blanket on top
nothing special, but I'm happy to have bought it considering what I paid for it
I seem to have found it for about 30% less than its usual price though, and while it would still be fine for the full price I would have been neutral rather than happy
I'll see if I can find the red label/spyeside for the same price one next time

>>11596215
>basic bitch distilleries
I wonder what it must be like, being this much of a hipster
the usual glenlivet, save the founder's reserve, is quite good really, no reason to get hung up on it being popular

Aberfeldy 12 & Old Pultney 12 @ £25 are nice + affordable. Talisker Storm (if you can get it for under £30).
Ardmore Traditional Cask Peated was great when I had it years ago (under £30), but it's gone up in price a bit since then.

>>11594236
>bottle-related shit
what did he mean by this

If you want something cheap and good Legacy is a good choice. It's about $20 a bottle and it's great to sip on.

>>11596780
>what did he mean by this

He meant sticking the spout in his ass, or sticking his dick in the spout, or both.

>>11580458
If youre going for Irish, teeling is a nice tipple. Good for an old fashioned too.

>>11591430
>10 year
I tried a 21 year or something and it was easier to drink despite the extra 15% ABV.

>>11597245
The thing about Islays is older isn't always better depending on taste. They lose smokiness/peatiness over time.

what's the best cheap blended scotch? i'm tired of bourbon and single malts are $40+ where i am.

>>11597310
See
>>11594236
It's about $30 where I live.

Fuck it man just get that Black Velvet 13 dollarydoos for half a gallon fuck it man just get fucked up on it.

>>11597310
The $38 per handle Kirkland 12 year old blend at Costco is really good. I like it a lot. It's got a nice, robust, masculine flavor to it, with leather, a little smoke and some dark, dried fruits.
If you live in certain states you don't have to be a member to buy alcohol at Costco by state law, and Costco has amazing prices on whisky. They had a 40 year old Glenlivet single malt for $200 a while back.

>>11597310
Also, it's not a great sipping scotch, but handles of Dewar's are $17 at Costco right now. Dewar's is absolutely perfect cocktail scotch and that's a stupid good price.

any whiskey will do, just don't go for the absolute bottom of the shelf because they might not be whiskey at all, just some diluted ethanol with flavoring.

there is smokey whiskey and non-smokey whiskey. they all taste the same within their category and the diminishing returns are some of the worst of any product on this planet when you go up in price

>>11598098
Dewar's is also nice if you, rather than wanting a sipping scotch, simply want a big fucking glass of scotch to catch a buzz (or more) off of. It goes down real easy and smooth. It doesn't have a lot of flavor or a long lasting finish, but what flavor and finish it has, it's nice. It tastes good.

>>11580458
Ezra Brooks, developed a taste for it in Uni and knock 3 fingers back before bed

I think anyone would like Macallan 12. I can't imagine anyone not liking it. It's smooth and drinkable with robust, well-balanced flavor and a lack of "acquired taste" flavors.

I've been reading around that the Talisker 10 has changed for the worse recently? Can anyone confirm if this is true?
I bought it for the first time recently, and people said it's supposed to have a lot of smoke and peat, but I didn't really get any of that. I'm not an experienced drinker so maybe my palate is just shit

>>11585215
>Johnny Walker
>scotch
what did anon meant by this?

>>11599736
The bottle I have from 2 years ago is peaty. It's not supposed to be a smokebomb like Ardbeg. It's more balanced with hints of brine as well. Still one of my favorites so I'd recommend it.

>>11581244
Based American

>>11580458
Oh my Lord you must be a Douché!

>>11600723
To be honest I'm not even sure what peaty whiskey tastes like. I know what real peat smells like because I work with it, but I'm not sure what it's supposed to taste like in liquid form.

>>11600965
>To be honest I'm not even sure what peaty whiskey tastes like.
Laphroaig 10 is pretty affordable and it'll definitely learn ya real fast what peaty whiskey tastes like.

>>11580458
Monkey shoulder

>>11585461
You're a bit fruity

>>11600965
>To be honest I'm not even sure what peaty whiskey tastes like
Dirt, mainly.

>rebel yell half off at raplh's
best 10bux I ever spent! nowhere near the best I've had but damn if getting it at that price don't make it taste better!

>>11600965
Tastes like liquid smoke.

>>11603454
My secret guilty pleasure

>>11594009
>drinking for the taste
if its for the taste why not just get rubbing alchohol and mix it with liquid smoke?
so tired of white people saying they drink for the taste as if it makes them noble when they knock back 5 shots in one hour.

Highland Park Viking Honour 12 Year is nice.

>>11603727
>so tired of white people saying they drink for the taste as if it makes them noble when they knock back 5 shots in one hour

That's not drinking for taste, you melenated plebeian. Drinking Scotch for taste is sipping on one glass for an hour. Scotch is a white man's drink, so I don't expect you to understand.

>>11603754
oh i understand. ireland has the most alcohol fetal syndrome rates in the world.

>>11603776
>Ireland
>Scotch

It's not hard to differentiate shitty, cheap alcohol from a quality product. Those Irish people giving birth to retards aren't drinking Scotch. If they are, it's Johnnie Walker Red, which is gasoline in a bottle.

>>11603776
Australia would be a strong competitor if we had higher population density.

>>11595030
it does, just not nearly as quickly. the more air you have in the bottle, the more quickly it oxidizes. sometimes this actually opens the whiskey up so it's not all bad

>>11595913
nah, I prefer less plastic and burning ambulance in my whiskey

>>11600965
tastes like how smoke smells, plus tar, ash and smoked meats

>>11603727
>all whiskey is smokey
you're an idiot

>when they knock back 5 shots in one hour
see above

>>11603854
Come back when you're 21+

>>11603776
>x people drink to excess all the time, so everyone must do that
I don't see why you're so invested in how other people spend their time, but I know why I drink scotch and if I wanted to get trashed I wouldn't waste my money on pounding back scotch

>>11603871
I like Ardbeg and Lagavulin, and I taste more than just burning in both of them. I'm just not keen on the medicinal and plastic notes I get from laphroaig

>>11603875
Stop being unreasonably reasonable.

>Whisky thread
>All these replies
>All wrong

If its not Talisker 18yo is fucking not you bunch of cunts.

Anyone but england

>>11604155
Based stroke poster

>american whiskey
>japanese whisky
>indian whisky
>blended """whisky""" that you didn't blend yourself
Never drink any of these.

Why do whiskey and beer threads always bring out the redditors? Redditposting galore in here.

Peated booze is the same tier as vaping, or being obese and wearing a fedora

>>11580458
B U L L I T

>>11588001
Very respectable distillery, less profit oriented and more about making good whiskey for the foreseeable (10+ year) future.
The 12 yo is ok, but nothing great. If you really want to drive home all things Glenfarclas, get the 105 or the 18 yo if that is still in your price range.
I have sampled a few, got one 22 yo at cask strength. It is without a doubt one of my favourites.

>>11596215
To be expected that the level of discourse is not up to par. Not really something to be disappointed about, different place different crowd and talking points.
To be fair I had very little clue about independent bottlers and their role for a moderately long time. I have quite enjoyed getting quality bottlings from e.g. Signatory abroad at a pittance when there is no marketing on the bottle, just quality stuff. Unfortunately stuff from Blackadder and virtually unavailable here and costs an arm and a leg from bars.

Just to be a fellow 'hipster', if you had to pick two whiskies to sample, I would recommend JD and Kavalan single cask (solist series). Really helps to open your eyes when the contrast is stark enough.

George Dickel

>>11605048
It's definitely the kind of thing a certain kind of person would want to appear to like, but it's so different from all other whiskey that I reckon the majority of people who drink it legitimately like it.

>>11605346
My very first introduction to scotch was a dram of Laphroaig my best friend shared with me in college. He didn't describe it or anything, just handed it to me and said, "here, I think you'll like this." I did. Didn't even know what it was until he told me afterwards.
Islays are still my favorite these days.

>>11580560
This if you want scotch and jim beam of you wamt bourbon. Dont spend money on the high end stuff yet. If you dont enjoy the mid range whiskeys you wont like the expensive ones

>>11605755
Evan Williams is cheaper and better than Jim Beam.

>>11605759
Ive drank a lot of both and i disagree

>>11605759
>>11605806
Old Crow is better than either one, much smoother.

>>11605809
I heard this used to be much better then turned to shit.

>>11605806
Connosr:
Evan Williams Black Label 78
Jim Beam White Label 66
Whiskybase:
Evan Williams Black Label 73.46
Jim Beam White Label 61.24
whiskyanalysis.com:
Evan Williams Black Label 8.19
Jim Beam White Label 7.68
Whisky Advocate:
Evan Williams Black Label 84
Jim Beam White Label 80
Distiller:
Evan Williams Black Label 85
Jim Beam White Label 79
Distiller user scores:
Evan Williams Black Label 2.78
Jim Beam White Label 2.41
You were saying?
Also, Google search best budget bourbon. I bet you almost every result you click says Evan Williams and not Jim Beam.

>>11593921
I unironically enjoy the White Walker JW. Although despite what the bottle tells you, it's better at room temperature than cold

>>11605862
i understand the concept of consensus, but ultimately taste is subjective so it will come down to what that anon likes and if he likes JB over EW, then so be it. it's no skin off your nose

>>11605862

People faggy enough to review liquor on the internet is in no way representative of normal people. Its like how film critics only like boring movies

>>11606061
Normal people are totally representative of great taste.

>>11605862
Relying on websites instead of your own pallette

>tfw we sold out of this in 2 days

why are normies such GOT shills? they didn't believe me when I said it was just an entry level whiskey, they thought it was some kind of GOT type whiskey

>>11606728
>shills
You're using the term wrong. A shill is a salesman pretending to be a regular guy. They're Marks. The people who get snake oil sold to.

>>11606728
Is it just the same as Johnnie Red?

>>11600965
Like eating a cigar.

>>11606728
Some of the Ommegang GoT beers (of the few I've tried) were pretty good.

>>11606834
Retards in /co/ do the same shit. They're not trying to be funny or clever or anything, they're accusing watchers of a show shilling the product.

>>11606865

its a bit smoother. the rep said they knew people would buy it because of the bottle and wanted to make an entry level whiskey to get people into buying more high end stuff

>>11593904
>Honey whiskey
>Tastes like pure sugar
>Apple crown

>>11605809
I started drinking Old Crow because it was mentioned in a Tom Waits song

>>11593904
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wc5qr5v0BZk

There are no plastic notes in Laphroaig10 or the QC etc. get your tastebuds checked (pleb filtered - literally). There are however vegetable/sprouty notes in the Select which is probably why it's the cheapest in the range.

Anyway these are old vids but maybe helpful -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCXkAy5XvcU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mx7NIrHU_So
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aEtGOuLXsU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-rrin7xG-g

found a bottle of hibiki 17 for 400USD in japan. Should i bite?

>>11581244
Seconding this. Buffalo Trace is pretty middle of the road and a good place to start.

>>11585194
>Quinta Ruban
my nigga

How is the Aberlour? I've always thought about picking some up but I never commit.

>>11607624
>400USD
Are you retarded?

>>11593904
>>11607434
Fireball really isn't that bad as long as you accept it for what it is and don't try to push a false sense of idealism upon it.

>>11606728
I'm not biting on this marketing worm but it's at least kinda neat to see Diageo trying to capitalize on this opportunity. Whoever came up with this promo probably got a promo.

>>11580458
Glenfiddich is a great starter scotch
You don't need to start from a bourbon like some anons says
The different whiskey types taste nothing alike and you should try some every type

>>11580458
>Planning on getting into whisky this christmas, I have heard Glenfiddich 12 is something for beginners? Any others I should try, favorites?
>Glenfiddich 12
You're not /pol/, stop it. Just embrace your inner /k/ and get a nice bottle of bourbon, the real American shit.

>>11605862
Those scores are easily close enough that personal preference could differ.

>>11608474
This. I thought all whiskey was like bourbon, and I hated it. Way too sweet for me. I had one Irish whiskey, and although it tasted better it still wasn't my thing. So I just stayed away from whiskey for years, until I tried a Laphroaig because it was described as contrarian and I'm a massive poseur.

>>11593904
Imagine being so up your arse that normies calling something which has whiskey in the name "whiskey" makes you sperg out.
>>11608010
Fireball is easily the most drinkable distilled alcohol. If that's what you're after, it's what you'll get.
>>11607500
Quite. Describing Laphroiag as plasticy is for rude, vulgar, and ignorant plebs. All true patricians know it reeks of TCP.

>>11604155
I just got some, damn is it good

>>11580473
>based Macallan 12
Glenlivet and Dewers 12 are also both great scotches, but for a beginner who doesn't want to invest much into whiskey I'd start with Dewers White Label for scotch, Woodford Reserve for bourbon, and Bulliet rye for rye whiskey.

>>11608612
Kinda the same happened for me, all bourbon I've tasted were sickly sweet

>>11580728
>its popular, by the laws of 4chan, i must hate it

>>11580458
Don't bother with a Glenfiddich, pretty boring, go with Highland park 12 yo, glen moray peated single malt, or for bourbon bulleit or wild turkey 101

How do I get over the wood flavor of whiskey? I absolutely hate it and every whiskey I've tried has never shown any peppery, caramel, whatever other bullshit whiskey people say. All I taste is the wood and the alcohol, and they all taste the same.

>>11609400
Do you actually like Jack Daniels or are you just being the uber contrarian and pretending you do to own anons on 4chan

>>11609432
It's a pretty big part of whiskey man. I'd say it's likely whiskey isn't your thing. Try rum or gin, or if you're a real patrician, continental liqueurs.

>>11609441
Gin is my drink of choice at the moment. It's the only liquor I've tried where the flavors aren't completely overpowered by the alcohol. Maybe I'm just a tastelet, or it could be that my sense of smell is really not very good.

>>11609435
alchie alchie cry some more
drinking poison is a chore

>>11609432
Whiskey, rum, brandy, and tequila are all aged in wooden barrels so if you dont like the taste of oak you're SOL. You can try your luck with vodka or gin. Or if you're even more adventurous, you can try the taste of clay in baijiu.

>>11609432
Embrace it, it's the best part
Try some liqueurs or flavored vodka if you want caramel flavors

>>11580717
I second the woodford reserve. Shits cash

>>11585194
Jameson tastes like cat piss. Its a sour bitter fucked up concoction.

>>11608593
>78-66
>73-61
>close

>>11609432
You might like something like The Macallan 12 which is aged solely in used sherry casks for 12 years. Sherry casks are almost always extremely old, well-used barrels with very little, if any, wood flavor left in them to impart to the sherry which ages in them.
The sherry casks impart not a flavor of wood to The Macallan 12 but rather the flavor of the sherry which aged in the sherry casks.

>>11580458
What does this even mean. Are you willingly going to become an alcoholic? I don’t see how drinking a shit ton of different whiskeys could make your more of anything other than a degenerate.

>>11610680
These kinds of drinkers aren't alcoholics, they buy a 200 dollar bottle and take a sip once a week. The whole starter drink thing is irrelevant to somebody that enjoys drinking cause they drain a bottle in a day.

btw you stupid whiskey drinkers hide your overpriced hooch cause if i find it at the new years party i will drink it all.

>>11592047
I loved QC and hated 10 myself
10 reminds me of TCP

>>11610736
I generally have a ~1 shot dram whenever I watch sports at night, which is a few times per week.

Should I get Jameson's? It's on a discount right now.

>>11610797
If you have a Costco near you get the Kirkland brand knockoff instead if you absolutely must.

>>11610736
So what’s the point then? Drink a shot over an hour and write down their thoughts and feelings about the whiskey?

>>11610839
If you're trying to monetize it, sure.
I just enjoy/savor it. Really swish it around my mouth good and long, every sip. I'm purely enjoying it in a visceral sense more often than not rather than actively analyzing it in depth.

>>11610852
Also, the only times I generally actively analyze a whisky are the very first dram of a new whisky I haven't tried or when sharing a dram with friends and/or family.
Scotch can be a fun social thing, comparing and contrasting the various flavors and aromas you experience with the experiences of your friends and family.

>>11580458
The greatest beginner's whisky is LAPHROAIG!

You're welcome!

>>11582131
>Uigeadail
I guess I'll give this a go tonight.
Nose: Smoked oysters, sherry, tobacco, coconut, raisin
Palate: Smoked oysters, sherry, leather, fig, caramel, lemon, lime, brine
Finish: Smoked oysters, sherry, dates, sea salt, spice
Pleasantly warming since it's 54.2%. No water necessary nor desired.
My favorite.

>>11611759
Oh, my. The first sip of Uigeadail after enjoying some Christmas season chocolate cookies was unbelievably intense for some reason in the greatest of ways. I can't even begin to characterize that sip. A flavor explosion. I recommend this experiment.

>>11606728
>GOT type whiskey
What does that even mean?

>>11607500
>my notes are the only correct ones
They're entirely subjective, get fucked

>>11583126
It had the opposite effect on me. It's my absolute favorite and made it hard for me to like anything new I tried afterward. Of course that was after I'd spent years trying other things. For me, Jameson would be the whisky that ruined scotch for me because I've tried other brands of scotch and every single one has made me projectile puke. Same with tequila. Since KC is pretty expensive where I live I tend to stick to cheaper stuff though. The one I currently go for is Heaven Hill. I used to drink Evan Williams all the time but got burnt out on it. Then I did the Jim Beam thing for awhile before it lost its appeal too. Was planning on getting some booze tomorrow so I may try one of the suggestions posted in this thread myself.

>>11612384
A whiskey that tastes like dragon blood and sibling vagina, obviously.

Thoughts on FOUR ROSES?

>>11612538
Or Wild Turkey 81 Kentucky Straight Bourbon?

>>11612544
Or Jim Beam Kentucky straight bourbon?

If you’re not drinking Jameson you might as well be drinking seman you faggots

>>11612544
do 101 if you're going to have WT

>>11612423
>I've tried other brands of scotch and every single one has made me projectile puke

You're not supposed to drink the entire bottle in one go

>>11610839
Comfy, tastes good, a pleasant burning sensation, slight buzz
writing down notes is kinda gay though

>>11580458
any hard liquor you see an advertisement for you should avoid

Auchentoshan 3 wood is the best whisky I've ever had

>>11612423
You do know that scotch denotes whisky (note the lack of an "e" in the word you bellend) which originates from Scotland. Hint: Jameson is from Dublin. If you want a sweet dram, not necessarily in a bourbon kind of way, try some Speyside.
Been more interested about whisky with a maritime character lately. I have pic related but it is not on the level of the (sadly discontinued) Bowmore Laimrig. Please recommend some mid-range whiskies which could hit the mark.

>>11613381
If u want ocean and brine, u have to drink Old Pulteney.

>>11597130
Agreed. Teeling was the first whiskey I ever tried and I loved it.

>>11612608
do rare breed if you're gonna have WT

>>11613381
maybe Bruichladdich or Bunnahabhain, they're unpeated/very minimally peated so the maritime character comes through more easily without being buried with smoke

>>11612593
there are much better whiskies available than jameson

>>11612552
i went to mexico on holiday and someone introduced me to jim beam. I really enjoyed it and drank it almost every day for the remainder of the holiday. I havent had it since, and that was 3 years ago. I should pick some up.

>>11580458
Scotch is an acquired taste from my experience. I personally love bourbon, and Woodford Reserve is probably the best that's readily available. Other than that I'd go for Blanton's, Weller's or Pappy van Winkle. I also like Wild Turkey, it tastes the same as Bulleit but about 1/3 cheaper usually.

Honestly anything from Buffalo Trace Distillery is top tier in my opinion.

>>11612538
Regular Four Roses is ok, but for almost the same price you can get the Small Batch which is much better. Their Single Barrel is excellent.

>>11612544
If you drink Wild Turkey, the 101 is a good time. It's my go-to whiskey for making Mint Juleps due to the higher abv. I've also heard good things about their Rare Breed and Forgiven lines.

>>11612552
Regular Beam is fine. Don't let the haters muddy the waters. It's nothing to write home about, but it's not vile either. The only reason I don't drink it that much is because there are so many other better choices for either the same price or a few dollars more.

>>11612798
I didn't. I projectile puked after one drink of scotch. It happens every time I try scotch.
>>11613381
I didn't use an e when I was talking about Jameson you jackass.

>>11613901
I'll admit that the whisk(e)y thing was a mistake on my part. It was just so difficult not to see it as your post is positively dripping Americanism.
The remark you did miss though was that you refer to Jameson as scotch. That is incorrect and you should feel bad. Hence, your following remarks carry little to no weight as your initial point was false.
>>11613418
Reckon I could go for one of those, the price is fair for the regular bottlings even though I am not a big fan of the gimmicky bottle design.
>>11613518
The Laddie could be a good choice actually, tried a few bunnas but those were so deep on the sherry end that the distillery character was not so prominent.
Thanks for the advice fellas.

Revisiting those Taliskers now

>>11613839
Thanks for the response. The better variants like small batch or 101 actually do cost more where I live (yuropoor) than regular four roses and wild turkey 81. Decisions...

I live and breath this

>>11614002
I guess it's the same over there with Bourbons as it is over here with Irish and Scotch. Less selection and higher prices... You can't really go wrong with most basic bourbons, especially from the big distilleries. Just don't expect the world from them. Also watch out for the vague brands that might be only sold over there. In the US we have obscure brands like McClelland scotch. The only thing I ever found about them was that it was likely an overseas discount brand that Bowmore uses to offload not-so-good batches. I'm sure American distilleries do the same thing in Europe.

>>11614072
IT HAs a very good toffee flavor to it, good heat and a few sour notes to it

>>11581244
>durrrrr acquired taste

It’s shit or it isn’t. Unless you’re a four year old with an undeveloped palate there’s nothing to “begin” with you inbred fuck. Saying otherwise just means you’re desensitizing your tastebuds to the taste of crap, congratulations

>>11585676
Hops instill flavor, you’re just too stupid of a bitch to say you hate bitter things or one noted flavor profiles

>>11614073
Sometimes those names aren't just for dumping less-than-stellar batches. Rather they are sometimes selling out and out garbage. I've seen liquor brands worldwide that try and resemble premium brands with similar styled names and bottles but are actually rotgut swill. Doesn't matter if they're knocking of Bourbon in the states, Cognac in France, or Scotch in Scotland. There will be both bottom-shelf crap with a fancy sounding name, as well as lesser brands riding the coattails of well known imported brands by advertising mainly on their country of origin.

How do you guys afford this? I come from the tea world where a $100+ luxury item like an aged pu'er cake can power you through like a thousand cups of tasty drink. Does you just have to resign to it being much pricier if you want to learn your way around whisk(e)y and enjoy it, or are there hidden cost-cutting tricks?

Anybody try this?

>>11614242
It lasts a good long while when you're only having a couple shots of it per week.

>>11614111
He was clearly complaining about the American practice of creating one note flavour profiles by piling in as many hops as they can

Thoughts on Tullamore Dew?

>>11614656
Kirkland (Costco) brand Irish Whiskey is literally cheaper, rebranded TD.

>>11614350

Is this good?

>>11585194
> Mount Gay
LMAO
I'd go for Makers Mark.

>>11580728
3rd for Evan Williams

People here are recommending a lot of fine whiskeys, but when you're a whiskey noob I don't think you want to get carried away on stuff that's $40-50 a bottle. If you don't mind spending the money, by all means go for it. You'll get some very nice quality liquor. But most of the nuance of it is going to be wasted if you're still learning to handle drinking liquor neat, or all whiskey just tastes like smokey wood to you.

For starter bourbon, I would recommend Maker's Mark. For starter scotch I would recommend Dewer's. If you want something a little nicer for bourbon I would recommend Woodford Reserve. A little nicer for scotch I would recommend Glenfiddich 12 year.

How sweet is whisky supposed to be? I'm >>11599736 and I'm drinking it again now and honestly I think it's a little too sweet for me.
I thought whisky was supposed to be rough and "masculine" (this is the first one I've tasted), but it's so sugary.

>>11614099
>"Hey guys what should I try?"
>"Just go ahead and drop $200. If you're not drinking money then its swill."
Again, kys.

>>11614996
Would you recommend Bulleit for starter bourbon? It's slightly cheaper than the others you recommended, and available at a shop 3 minutes away from my home.

>>11587295
True that on the 8yrs. That is one terrific scotch

>>11615060
Not him. I wouldn't. It's a high-rye bourbon. It's not a typical bourbon.
Evan Williams is extremely affordable and is a quality, prototypical bourbon. I'd start there.

>>11601194
Only on Wednesdays.

I want to into whiskey:
Out of these three which one should I buy?
A) JW Blue Label/John Walker & Sons XR 21
B) ARDBEG UIGEADAIL
C) Glenmorangie Original/Signet

?

I want to into whiskey:
Out of these five which one should I buy?
A) Johnnie Walker Blue Label
B) John Walker & Sons XR 21
C) ARDBEG UIGEADAIL
D) Glenmorangie Original
E) Glenmorangie Signet

?

>>11616104
Bump

>>11614350
What do these 120proof, 80proofs means?

>>11616305
Nvm that, this is something more your speed

>>11615060
Start with Wild Turkey 101. It’s the high end of the bottom shelf. If you like an old timey bottle buy Bulleit. If you want a great bourbon for a good price buy WT101.

>>11616308
Fuck off you stupid son of a BASTARD BITCH.

>>11591430

There is never a time that this isn't in my house.

>>11616386
I unironically thought it was soju before I started looking into it. this bastard got me into all sorts of whiskys now...

>>11616305
Proof is a measure of alcohol content. Basically the % x2.

>>11616469
And the term comes from the age of sail, when buying their supply of rum they'd pour a bit of the potential purchase over some gunpowder, then try to light it. If the gunpowder ignited, it was strong enough and "proof" of strength. If not, the guy was trying to rip them off with watered-down, under-strength rum.

>>11616489
>t. wikipedia reader

>>11616515
Suck my dick, you fucking loser.

>>11616104
Uigeadail, obviously, but for fucks sake definitely not the blue label.

>>11616104
Start out with Glenmorangie original. It's one of the best single malts to begin the journey with. You'll want to ease yourself into trying powerful Islays like Ardbeg.

>>11616589
>Glenmorangie original
A woman's scotch.

>>11616597
It's like the fuzzy navel of scotches.

>>11616597
It's an entry-level scotch. Obviously, you'd go into bigger and better single malts as your palate matures, but you'd be doing yourself a disservice trying whiskeys you can't really appreciate without proper experience.

>>11616609
My first scotch was Laphroaig and I don't think I would have liked it any more had I had Glenmorangie, Glenlivet or Glenfiddich before it.

Peatiness = manliness
Deep down, you know it's not wrong.
IPA/hopfaggots are posers. So are capsaicinfags. But peat is the real deal. Peatiness actually = manliness.

>>11616613
That's entirely possible, but Laphroaig isn't exactly a subtle dram. It's the best Islay to start out with, since you wouldn't be missing out on any depth hidden beneath all of that peat. But starting out with Ardbeg, you'll be overwhelmed by peat and not have the grounding to appreciate its depth of character.

>>11616624
I dunno man. You and I have different characters. I like to start out with the best if I can. I like to do a lot of research then jump in head first. Different characters. I respect your way.

Whiskeys for girls.

>>11616638
What's a manly spirit then?

>>11616634
You're correct, and I respect any differences in opinion. In the end, it's up to each one to decide. It's safe to say you can't ever make a mistake by getting into Scotch, no matter how you do it. Unless you buy Johnnie Walker Blue.

>>11616645
>Unless you buy Johnnie Walker Blue.
Cheers!

>>11616639
spirits are for girls. real men drink wine coolers.

>>11616639
Ligma.

>>11616639
Jenkem

>>11616578
>>11616645
>>11616650
Why is JW hated so much here?

>>11616864
Only Red and Blue label are trash. Red for being poorly made swill, and Blue for costing 3x what it should. Black, Green, and Platinum are a good value for their respective price points. Also, it's a blend, so it's bound to attract the ire of single malt snobs.

>>11617100
What are your thoughts on John Walker & Sons XR compared to their Blue Label? Which one would be a great choice to go with?

>>11617184
Never had it, but the consensus seems good. It's a decent price for a bottle of what people are saying is very, very good.

my go-to is Eagle Rare

>>11615276
White or black label Evan Williams?
>>11616327
Thanks, I'll consider Wild Turkey 101. What do you think about Four Roses small batch? Same price as WT101. I'm just looking at all the options right now.

>>11617277
had a bottle recently and wasn't blown away. didn't think it was worth shelling out the extra money vs their standard buffalo trace

>>11617359
>White or black label Evan Williams?
Black. $17 a handle here and much better than you'd expect. It's ubiquitously recommended as a beginner/budget bourbon.

>>11617359
WT101 is also high rye content and thus not exactly a prototypical bourbon, so I wouldn't recommend that either as a first bourbon. It's not shit, I'm just saying, it's not a typical bourbon, flavor wise.

Start with Glen Grant 10yo. Trust me!

This is by far my favorite, wonderful sweet caramel tones with sour hints. Good burn, and pairs great with a good steak. I do prefer the 7 yr though

>>11594236
What is the best Glen there is?

>>11617904
Glen and Garry Suck Ross's Meaty Cock and Drop the Harry Nuts in His Eager Mouth

>>11612423
>Jameson
>whisky
>ruined scotch
>tried other brands of scotch
You fucking what?
>>11613901
>I didn't use an e when I was talking about Jameson you jackass.
Jameson is whiskey. It is not scotch.
>>11612798
This guy is right, try not drinking yourself retarded next time.

>>11616639
Tha yang principle, you ignoramus. The yang principle is the spiritual essence of light, movement, heat, and of course masculinity. The single most potent source of yang is in the semen. It follows trivially that semen is the most manly spirit to drink.

>>11616305
It's abv for retards (Americans). Just half it to get the actual abv.