/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>11379448
>when did you realize that "lobsters feel no pain when being cooked alive" was a meme?
From the very first time I heard it.

>>11379448
>I'm not even vegetarian/vegan or a big animal rights guy
Nah you probably are

>but seeing that discoloured lobster thrashing around in there shook me a bit
you forgot to say "also I am gay"

Their screams of pain are part of the enjoyment. I'm not allowed to kill niggers and injuns like my ancestors let me have this small bit of fun eating lesser creatures

>>11379448
If that rattles your cage you're going to be really distraught when you learn about war

i literally dont care

Who cares? They're delicious. If it's not a mammal then who cares about being "humane?"

>>11379448
It's just a big bug. Fuck them.

>>11379472
Yikes!

>>11379466
I'm really not, I don't care much these days but after everyone told me that lobsters feel no pain and I clearly saw this lobster all distressed I was surprised. Ultimately they are just giant ocean bugs so it doesn't matter, they're not remotely intelligent so as long as we're only harvesting a sustainable amount of them it's all good.

>>11379492
forgot to say, I was also surprised at how prevalent this meme was when it doesn't even pass the basic smell test

>>11379482
>implying I care more about some faggot durkastan savage than I do about a lobster

>>11379448
>implying your "industrial steamer" wasn't wrongly configured by some minimum wage worker.

Boiling water. Enter the lobster. All of it. No fucking way it's gonna live longer than an instant.

>>11379472
Injuns are less fun to boil than lobsters because they don't have a true nervous system like white people so they don't feel pain

>>11379448
In the past, lobsters were poorfag food in America. That's how great we are.

>>11379597
Plus they’re already red so where’s the fun in that?

>>11379448
It's not really feeling pain, that's just impulses in its nervous system.

>>11379489
Speaking of bugs and cooking them...
I own a couple high-powered flashlights. One of the most surprising ways you can kill flys is by trapping them between the bezel and lens of a flashlight with the light of full blast. It's weird, but the light initially stuns them and they do not fly away while you cover them with the light. A couple seconds later they realize it's hot as fuck and try to escape. In 30 sec or so, they're dead and you don't have to clean up a mess from swatting their asses or deal with disgusting fly paper hanging around your house. I mean, if we don't feel bad about cooking a lobster alive, why the fuck would I feel bad about killing a pest essentially the same way for my convenience? Fuck 'em both I say.

why cant you just knife it's skull and then cook it?

>>11379632
<it's another armchair animal neuroscience expert lectures us on why every animal besides humans is worth less than dirt because it makes the cognitive dissonance easier for it

>>11379487
That is a totally arbitrary distinction. If you don't mind torturing a lobster you should have no problem torturing your dog.

>>11379448
if you weren't such a fucking brainlet you'd realize that it's movement can be attributed to a sensory reaction to the heat. we actually do not understand enough about lobsters to know if they experience 'pain' the same way humans do.

>>11379683
Some animals experience "pain" in different ways than we do. I'm not saying that Larry the Lobster falls asleep in a hot tub and never wakes up, but you can't compare pain 1 to 1 with different species.

>>11379448
It's no meme, anon.
But it is prededcated on you actually dropping them into boiling water, not using a steamer that has poor flow and distribution of the steam.

Your example is about as stupid as saying that a gunshot to the head isn't lethal if it happens to graze your ear.

>>11379666
Is a knife to the head better than a a nice hot bath? This kind of pathological empathy is why whiteoids march themselves happily into the gas chamber, probably why the neanderthals died out too may civilization be reborn in another 50,000 years

>>11379749
there's no way steaming is instant kill unless the temperature is insanely high

>>11379666
That's murder?
>gee you want to have sex with her? why don't you just rape her?

>>11379720
The minute Fido starts tasting like lobster, he better watch his ass.

thankfully i prefer mine to freeze to their death

>>11379753
Fastest way to kill all sea critters is a nice curb stomp on the pier... That is if all you want to do is use it as bait/chum for fishing.

>>11379811
You realize they cooked those first, right?

>>11379823
umm sweetie you're not the chef,how would you know?

>>11379780
>equating killing a lobster in one quick blow before cooking it to raping women

Are you an Olympic lunger because holy fuck that's one hell of a leap

>>11379835
I SAID JOE MONTEGNA.

i'm from maryland and we cook crabs from may-october. you do not want to eat a crab that was dead before you cooked it. i assume the same applies for lobbies.

there's no way around this. best way to keep something fresh is to keep it alive.

>>11379855
he looks like Jay Bauman Koplek

>>11379664
okay, but what about the smell?

>>11379448
Am I going crazy or has this exact same thread and posts been posted before?

>>11379870
It doesn't actually burn them (no smoke, no smell). I only leave it on for about 10s after they're done buzzing. If you hit them with a blowtorch, they smell like a motherfucker.

>>11379882
Happy deathday, anon.

>>11379482
Or that people are just big bags of meat and blood.

>>11379882
No, it's some plebbitor who makes this thread every week. A lot of people from there come here to raid us to promote veganism.

I don't know why they think it'd convert anyone, but they keep trying.

>>11379729
http://jeb.biologists.org/content/216/3/353

>>11379909
But did you know within that meat and blood bag is a spo0ky skeletin that lives inside all of us?

>>11379482
>>11379909
Don't forget that there's a skeleton inside you right now, Anon

>>11379920
First time I've seen this thread. I don't know where you're coming from with that silliness anon.

>>11379927
>10/24/18(Wed)21:33:10
>>11379928
>10/24/18(Wed)21:33:10

>>11379927
>20:33:10 No.11379927
>>11379928
>20:33:10 No.11379928
Complete skeleton hivemind... Proof we're all fucked.

>>11379927
>>11379928

>>11379860
>you do not want to eat a crab that was dead before you cooked it. i assume the same applies for lobbies
you better bayleaf it

wow theres some especially edgy try hard fags in here tonight

>>11379922
>http://jeb.biologists.org/content/216/3/353
anon, if you read the study you'd understand that avoidance is a reflex action. it is not indicative of a pain, the same way humans feel it. it avoids a specific stimuli the same way we do, but not necessarily because it feels pain but because it is a reflexive action.

>>11379991
This and their brain is very different from ours. If they do feel pain, it's not in the same way we do.

>>11379448
Never believed it. People should just let them have a fast and painless as possible death

>>11379753
>Is a knife to the head better than a a nice hot bath?

That makes no sense. At least cutting off the head is obviously instant and it's not a "nice hot bath".

>>11379860
>lobbies

Gay.

>>11380004
>If they do feel pain, it's not in the same way we do.

That's a very weird and arbitrary distinction.

I rip these fuckers in half and throw the heads back into the water. They live for awhile, and try to seek shelter in the rocks under the dock next to their dead kinsmen.

Being a lobster and getting caught is pretty brutal.

>>11380042
it's not arbitrary at all given the different structures of their CNS and brain.

>>11379927
>>11379928
Not if I kill him first

>>11380047
And you've studied this? I doubt it and we can't really know their cognition.

>>11379448
Who cares if it feels pain it's a fucking lobster

>>11380058
it's a matter of fact that lobsters, biologically, have a completely different brain and nervous system then that of humans. their ability to perceive pain the same way we do is unknown, as there have been no conclusive evidence for or against.

>>11379927
>>11379928
that's a proper hivemind right there.

>>11379448
>his
You're already humanizing a bottom-feeding arthropod way too much.

>>11380058
I've actually got a degree in animal sciences dealing with fish and other tasty ocean bois.

>>11380069
Unless I am capable of transforming into a lobster and experiencing first hand whether being boiled brings me any form of discomfort or not, I will continue to avoid eating all seafood and living animals.

>>11380090
cool can I have yours then

>>11379448
The thrashing around makes them more delicious I hear. Yummmm...lobster

>>11380069
>their ability to perceive pain the same way we do is unknown

Which was exactly my point. Did you even read my post?

>>11380090
Death is ugly in nature. It takes a lot to hurt something so bad that it actually dies. Lose a limb here and there, lose an eye, lose a claw, get parasites... Eventually it gets to the point where the animal can no longer successfully feed or maintain normal bodily functions, at which point it either starves to death, dies of exposure to the environment, or something will come along and tear it apart while eating it alive. Going from decent health to death in only the time it takes to boil is an act of mercy by nature's standards.

Does it matter? We don't worry about inflicting pain on insects and crustaceans are like barely a step above them. Kill them in whichever way you please.

>>11380147
i agree
i'll eat it, but i won't do it, you do it

>>11380141
This

>>11379466
>Remember, if you feel feelings, you're gay!

pain doesn't matter unless it has hopes and dreams and empathy
theres a lot of people right now who feel more pain than a lobster and yet deserve unending amounts of it

>>11380241
>his father didn't condition him into an empty shell through belittlement and abuse
>his father let him grow up with emotions other than anger and resentment like some kind of queer

>>11380263
>>his father didn't condition him into an empty shell through belittlement and abuse

No he didn't. Is that supposed to be a burn?

>>11380265
how tone-deaf can you possibly be

>>11380275
How terrible are you at sarcasm?

>>11379448
I eat meat and I'm pretty sure somewhere between all and almost all of the animals we get our meat from feel pain or otherwise suffer prior to dying while kept in whatever conditions they're subject to through the modern industrialized slaughter process. I don't get why it's so popular for most other people who eat meat to pretend otherwise. Like if it bothers you that much then becoming a vegan would probably make more sense compared to coming up with a bunch of self-serving convenient stories about why eating meat is completely devoid of any morality concerns. It's not that hard to just eat meat and own up to the reality it's somewhat fucked up we do this. If at some point in the future artificially cultivated meat identical to regular meat is implemented and made even moderately cost effective, then I think that'd be great and we could enjoy meat going forward without needing to involve animals.

>>11380275
/facepalm

>>11380279
not as bad as you apparently

>>11380297
Face it. He blew you the fuck out. inb4 nerd rage

>>11380307
he blew me the fuck out by responding to my sarcasm with "no, am I meant to be offended"?
wow epic

>>11380312
in after nerd rage

>>11380315
lol he mad :^)

>>11380319
He certainly is. Pretty sad.

>>11380323
it's sad how you're so assblasted over failing to pick up on obvious sarcasm that you have to call someone else mad as deflection

>>11380335
I'm not the guy you idiot. You clearly are triggered.

>>11380338
then why are you dying on that retard's hill

>>11380335
>>11380342
kek he's still going

in after more nerd rage

>>11380348
so are you though

>>11380338
>>11380342
>>11380348
>>11380349

Real chefs put a knife tip through the lobsters brain before boiling.

Some Chinese chefs shove a chopstick up the lobster's anus, also humanely killing it instantly before cooking.

>>11380315
>>11380319
We gottem lads

>>11380279
Anon, he was obviously not being serious. You really should have picked up on that.

>>11380381
>Some Chinese chefs shove a chopstick up the lobster's anus, also humanely killing it instantly before cooking
wat

>>11379448
Lobsters have no "real" central nervous system. They react to stumuli in the same manner as a plant reacts to sunlight only slightly faster

>>11380381
That's where soy sauce comes from

>>11379500

most people drop them in a pot of boiling water and that shit will kill you quick. Sure it feels something but only briefly just sounds like your steamer wasn't super hot by design to avoid overcooking by retards such as yourself.

>>11380435
Science schmience. No living thing is indifferent to being boiled alive.

>>11380090
>he needs to physically experience things himself to understand them
Genuine brainlet

>>11380464
Do you get ass mad when someone steams broccolli ?

>>11379448
Pussy

>>11380405
I used to have a Chinese cookbook that gave the prep instruction "insert chopstick into lobster's anus" in a recipe for stir fried lobster. I always thought it was to kill the lobster, but have just read more extensively on this practice and apparently it is to remove fecal matter from the lobster before cooking, like deveining a shrimp:
"
)
+Chinese people prepare lobster they have a procedure called “releasing the urine” (放尿)–> chopstick is inserted into a little hole near the tail (anus?) about 10cm deep and then withdrawn, and usually murky liquids will gush out of it. They claim that lobster cooked without this procedure will often taste “funny” or brackish or stale. Have you ever heard of this and is this true?

Answer:
First of all, the orifice near the end of the tail is in fact the anus. Therefore, the murky liquid that comes out after the chopstick is removed is faeces, not urine. Urine would come out of the excretory pore, located at the base of the antennas. Nowadays, most live lobster shippers would first ‘season’ their lobsters before shipping. Seasoning is the term industry used to refer to a period of 2-3 days where lobsters are held before they are sold to consumers; this period should allow for the gastro-intestinal tract to empty itself. A less traumatic alternative to the chopstick method!"

>>11379448
It’s a fucking crustacean. You should have no more empathy for it than that of an insect. And if you have empathy for an insect you’re a fucking pussy.

>>11379720
Does your dog lay eggs?

>>11380464
>science schmience
found the retard

>>11380503
dumping boiling water on a live plant like a rose bush or even a brocolli patch would seem to be needlessly cruel and in poor taste..

>>11380539
How would you like to be boiled alive? I'm sure the lobster has less complicated but similar views on the subject.

>>11380141
holy shit thanos you might be on to something

>>11380552
but i'm not a lobster and lobsters aren't humans, what about that is so hard for you to understand? stop anthropomorphizing sea roaches

>>11380709
Even sea roaches value their own miserable lives in some way and will try to escape pain. After all, their purpose is to survive and reproduce, no?

>>11380852
>will try to escape pain
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pain_in_crustaceans
according to a 2005 study is it "unlikely" that they experience pain. again, please stop anthropomorphizing sea roaches.

>>11380951
I read that whole stupid wikipedia article, and its author concludes that animals (including lower animals) DO EXPERIENCE PAIN.

>>11380951
Not him, but there's more than just that one study.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/feb/11/is-it-wrong-to-boil-lobsters-alive
>Robert Elwood once boiled a lobster alive – lobsters being one of the few creatures we eat that we are allowed to slaughter at home. It is the usual way to kill, and cook, them. “Would I boil a lobster now?” asks Elwood, emeritus professor at the school of biological sciences at Queen’s University Belfast, referring to the work he has done for more than a decade on crustaceans and pain. “I wouldn’t. I would kill it before boiling.”
>The accepted wisdom about crustacean behaviour in response to stimuli was that it was a reflex, not a reaction to pain. “Again and again, we found that these animals were responding outside a reflex,” says Elwood. “For example, the first experiment we did was to put a weak acid on to one antenna of a prawn. The animals then engaged in prolonged rubbing and scraping of that specific antenna. If you wound a crab, they guard it – they put their claw over the wound – if another crab is nearby. These things are consistent with the idea of pain.”
>There is as much evidence for pain in crustaceans as there is in many vertebrates

>>11379448
>after minutes of steaming its not dead
fake and gay. lobsters are poikilotherms just by raising the temperature for under a minute it should completely shut down from overheating

>>11379448
>lobster is spasming because its nerves are damaged from the heat
>it must be feeling pain
That's not how nociception works in invertebrates.

>>11380044
>throw the heads back into the water
Why do you hate lobster bisque?

>>11379448
You're mentally ill.

>>11379448
What the fuck, you mean you weren't killing the lobsters before you cook them? The fuck is wrong with you, you fucking psycho.

>>11380036
>lobbie

>understanding a runescape reference

>>11379448
>lobsters feel no pain when being cooked alive

I honestly never cared one way or the other, and if you do you have serious mental issues.

>>11380069
>it's a matter of fact that lobsters, biologically, have a completely different brain and nervous system then that of humans.
you should alert Jordan Peterson immediately! he told me lobsters and humans both have serotonin so they are exactly alike!

>>11380141
Youre right but the issue is the standards of what death we can give them, a knife to the brain seems better than boiled alive.

>>11379860
>lobbies
:wave1:selling lobbies, 150gp ea

>>11381945
I didn't consent to these nostalgia feels

>>11379448
>it's basically a big metal stack of cupboards which are all individual steamers
>the lobster is discoloured, most of his body is a orangey-red like it's partially cooked
>it's still alive, thrashing around desperately in the pan
>panic and slam the door shut

>mfw OP genocides a bunch of lobsters daily

>>11381959
genocide implies a bunch you redundant frogposter
dumb

one died, they cooked it, I ate it, it was good. just stab the poor thing in the head before you cook it.

>>11379927
>>11379928

>>11380528
It's pretty weak to not let yourself care about something else

>>11379448
lobsters dont have the nervouse system capable of feeling pain. Nothing with an exo skeleton does. It was thrashing because it was trying to get back to water and was trapped. If anything it was fear not pain. You just scared the shit out of it.

>>11381996
>care about ____ or you're weak
arbitrary and false
who made you an authority on anything? bitch boy

>>11379464
>From the very first time I heard it.

First time I heard it, it was about throwing shellfish directly into boiling water, which they supposedly shouldn't feel because they supposedly instantly go into shock. Slowly steam cooking them is probably a different deal.

>>11379666
because i don't larp as a fucking samurai
i don't slice through heads with my fucking knife like a meme

>>11380147
>We don't worry about inflicting pain on insects

...yes I do? If I swat a wasp and it's a bad kill, I quickly follow up with another solid smash so it dies quickly, there's no reason to leave it to suffer alive in a broken body.

>>11382016
>don't care about ____ or you're weak
You're just weak if you find it easier to convince yourself to not care about the potential discomfort of a living creature during its slaughter. I eat meat so I'm not going to be a hypocrite and say that everyone should go vegan, but you should be doing everything you can to minimize the discomfort of something if you're going to kill it and eat it. It's harder to think about the discomfort something can experience that you'd be the direct cause of and actually care about that than it is to just say "don't care LOL I'm so strong!!"

>>11380147
>We don't worry about inflicting pain on insects
Yeah we do. I don't kill an insect unless I really have to and if I do I make sure it's as fast as possible. Young kids torturing insects for fun would be a bad sign.

>>11382035
It's also a bad sign to be incapable of accepting the world for what it is and being too timid to squash a bug without having an existential crisis.

>>11380281
>If at some point in the future artificially cultivated meat identical to regular meat is implemented and made even moderately cost effective, then I think that'd be great and we could enjoy meat going forward without needing to involve animals.
This is what I'm hoping for too. I think it'll be cheaper than "real" meat at some point because it has the potential to be more efficient usage of space and eliminate the need for things like antibiotic usage. There also seems to be quite a few companies competing to get into the market first which is good. I'm sure it probably won't be the best quality at first and it'll mostly be used in cheap food but it wouldn't surprise me if cultivated meat in the future can produce high quality steaks that cost what ground beef does today.

>>11382041
It's a good thing I don't do that then, but just because you accept the world for what it is doesn't mean you can't dislike parts of it and work to change what you don't like about it

>>11382042
That's not going to work in Africa.

>>11382041
>I don't have the mental fortitude to kill something unless I've first convinced myself it can't feel pain

Go be a weak person somewhere else

>>11381802
Don't listen to him bucko, he's a postmodernist!

>>11382028
FUCK you

i regularly mutilate spiders and leave them out for the other spiders to bear witness. arachnids deserve no empathy. make no mistake, there is malice in those things.

>>11382100
Go be a weak person somewhere else

>>11382029
i'm not "convincing myself" to not care, i just don't care
convincing myself to not care would mean i do care

>>11380147
>This kills the crab

>>11382028
>suffer alive

insects are basically robots anon

what do they teach in school nowadays?

>>11382100
I let spiders live in my home unless they're in an inconvenient location, and then I just put them outside. They help control actual pest insects that happen to get inside. Once in a while I'll find a spider in a corner somewhere and a bunch of dead ants around it. Would rather have the spider in the corner than ants running around. I can understand killing a more dangerous spider if it poses an actual threat, but you're just removing a pest control by killing the small, harmless ones.

>>11382103
Sounds like you're trying to convince me of that

>>11382120
>insects are basically robots anon
People used to (and sometimes still do) say the same thing about cows and pigs and anything else that isn't human

>>11382121
you're letting malicious, ill willed, psychopathic predators live in your home.

you're more than capable of controlling pests in other methods. don't let filthy spider apologists fool you.

>>11382126
>comparing invertebrates to mammals

anon....

>>11382120
>insects are basically robots anon
So are NPCs like you and yet I'm letting you live anyway.

>>11382125
saying wrong things isn't "winning the argument", if getting the last word will shut you the fuck up then go ahead

>>11382129
>comparing humans to non-humans

anon....

>>11382128
>have garden
>grow food plants
>insects start attacking plants
>cute little green spider bro shows up and starts protecting my plants
most spiders are bros

>>11382161
you deserve to be fed screaming to your "bro"s you filthy arachnid apologist

It's a giant bug. For fuck's sake.

>>11382172
you're just a giant monkey

It's an invertebrate, it literally doesn't have the spine to connect pain nerves throughout the body even if it had them, which it doesn't.

>>11382179
so? he's not on the menu

>>11382100
Sounds like you got some malice in you too

>>11382163
You sound afraid.

>>11382028
No you quickly follow up the kill on a wasp because you're afraid it's going to come back and fuck your whole day up. Bugs are a prime example of an animal we kill without remorse simply because it's inconveniencing us.

>>11382035
We as a species regularly conduct chemical warfare on pest insects/arachnids. You really mean to tell me you've never used spray to kill a roach?

>>11382121
>i let spiders live in my house
White liberal detected.

>>11382128
t. silverfish

You know, I heard that there was this kitchen that gives marijuana to lobsters to 'lessen their pain' when going into their last hot spring resort. Idk where i heard this but think about it

>>11382488
They weren't allowed to do it, something about adulterated food.

They stop twitching pretty quick in boiling water. Sounds like OPs steamer just isn't the nicest way of doing it.

>>11379720
So if you see a roach in your home you don't kill it right? You leave it be it feels just as much as the lobster since they are practically the same thing.

>>11379811

>>11382488
I don't think lobsters can hold a joint, pipe, or bong. Did they just smoke it and blow it in their stupid faces?

>>11382121
I do that too even going so far as to avoid vacuuming in corners where they have their webs. Never have to use toxic chemicals to control insects in the house either, it's a symbiotic relationship. I even leave wasp nests alone outside under the eaves and soffits because they prey on garden pests. It's quite common to see them carrying a leaf eating caterpillar back to the nest.

tl;dr don't listen to pesticide shills, let nature work for you

>>11380381
>Chinese cooking
>Mercy and empathy for a living creature
Wanna know how I can tell you are full of shit?

>>11380004

This. As lobsters are incredibly simple creatures, their pain and fear as they slowly cook to death is much more amplified and vivid than we as humans could ever possibly imagine. I mean, hopefully LOL pass the butter

>>11382497
Yeah i heard when ordering at a restaurant containing such products, they would make it clear that it would have marijuana in it

Honestly i don't believe that larry was struggling in the water. It was probably an exaggeration of the lobster's movements when the water was boiling

>>11382505
Idk exactly like i said i only heard it. It's kinda like marijuana honey. Like how did the bees do that?

>>11379991
>>11380004
Sounds like a lot of bullshit cope coming from retards too uncomfortable to acknowledge the simple fact that lesser beings still feel pain. Everything you're saying about their clearly pained reactions being "just reflexes, bro" is what Descartes said about dogs as he cut them up alive.

>>11382645
Even if they do it doesn't matter. You don't feel remorse for killing a bug in a gruesome way neither should you with sea roaches.

>>11382656
I'd feel remorse for killing a grasshopper if it didn't inconvenience me in any way, but I don't feel remorse for killing flies or other pests.

>>11382694
I wouldn't call it remorse I'd call it a momentary guilt trip that you get over in less than a minute because its a bug.

>>11382005
>lobsters dont have the nervouse system capable of feeling pain
Literally no researcher will ever actually claim to know that. Why would you post blatant lies like that? At best you can point to some evidence that could be interpretted as reason to believe they don't feel pain, but you could point to just as much evidence for making the opposite argument. It's all heavily speculative and anyone who claims they definitely do or definitely don't feel pain is either a complete retard or a knowingly dishonest agenda pusher.

>>11382645
it's not uncomfortable for me, i don't care if they feel pain, they taste good
they'd do the same to us if they could, no sympathy, no remorse, no guilt, it's only
>does it taste good?
then I want to eat it and the pain, or how it came to be on my plate/in my bowl isn't a thought. it's only in these threads where it comes up

>>11382694
I can't KILL things myself but don't feel bad if I accidentally do. Slugs are disgusting, one crawled on my leg and I instinctively slapped it, smashed it to death, only thing I felt was disgust because now I have to go wash my hands, fuck nature.

>>11383177
Psychopathy

>>11383177
You sound like a chinaman or a crypto chink.

>>11383182
Why the hell would you smash it to death? Just get it off your leg and then walk away you fucking mental child

>>11383189
>You sound like a chinaman or a crypto chink.

I really hate the chinese and the way they eat. Just no thought or morality at all.

>>11383202
Felt something on me, and I wanted it off, so I slapped it. Turns out it was a squishy bug. Moths do this shit too. It tickles my "get it off of me" part of my brain, and that is its fault. I'm on the sidewalk, quit coming onto me.

>>11383213
Stop asking for it and take some personal responsiblity.

>>11383220
Nah we are the superior species. If I want to rape that slug before I squish it into paste I'll do so.

>>11379683
Get the fuck out and take your angsty late teen smug ignorance with you.

>>11383358
>rape and murder any minor nuisance that crosses my path
Supreme Gentleman, I doff my cap to you.

>>11382410
i'm not the anon you're replying to, but i've always wondered what kind of third world shithole people live in where spraying roaches is a common experience? like i've literally never even seen a roach in real life

>>11383970
Oh shut the fuck up live anywhere warm in the US and you'll get them no matter how clean your home is.

>>11383970
The US definitely has them on the east coast and in the south. What flyover state do you live in?

>>11382100
Enjoy your mosquitoes, anon.

>>11379720
Dogs have a higher IQ.

>>11382498
But roaches are assholes, lobsters are cool.

>>11379720
Dogs were created by man and serve a purpose we have given them. You would have to be willingly ignorant just to make your point if you compare them to food.

>>11384446
Yeah but lobsters need to stay in the sea where they belong. If they tried their lobster shit on land they would get fucking clubbed on sight

>>11384464
>heard you talkin shit like I wouldn't find out

>>11379720
>If you don't mind torturing a lobster you should have no problem torturing your dog.

Are all vegans this small/closed minded thinkers?

This is KKK level of logic. "If a nigger thinks like this, then they must think that, therefore niggers are bad."

>>11379482
Holy shit the edge on this post.
>you don't like watching animals suffer pointlessly? haha boy what a moron sometimes people kill each other over political goals.

This poster didn't even stop killing the lobster, they just didn't want to stare at it while it died.

>>11384473
>instantly goes to looking for an excuse to post nigger

Totally logical man

>>11379683
They are insects for fucks sake. Do you cry every time you step on an ant you soy boy

>>11384497
>instantly posts nigger right back
Yup, lotta logic here

>>11380112
yes i did. if there is no evidence for such a thing, why would you assume that a lobster is more like a human then not? unless there is evidence to suggest that they feel pain the same way humans do, they are nothing more then moving vegetables. why do you not give the benefit of the doubt to vegetables? perhaps in some way they can perceive pain as well?

>>11379666
this

>>11379448
The thought that an animals suffering makes it taste better makes me want to cum.if there was a guro comic where animals got sexual pleasure from getting cooked and eaten I'd nut a river.i just wanted to share that with you.

>>11382035
when i was a kid we found this big beetle and cut it open played with its guts and removed its legs and burned it and i turned out just fine. i think its just a way of learning things at an age

>>11384910
Monster. You probably wet your bed and played with fire as kid.

>>11379720
Doggos is cute a nd said wooof lobstert is uglyer

>>11379448
>when did you realize that "lobsters feel no pain when being cooked alive" was a meme?

The moment I saw videos of them going ape shit the second they touched the boiling water?

The most humane way to do it without killing them first is to slooooowly bring the water temperature up while they are already in it, but that takes way too long.

>>11384970
I bet that technique probably fucks up the texture.

>>11381788
check'd and kek'd

>>11379732
>Some animals experience "pain" in different ways than we do.
You have no way of really knowing that.

>>11379448
I never really thought about it. I don't care.

Who fucking cares you soyboy its just a fucking lobster

>>11385256
This is the attitude that got Trump elected.

>>11385262
Not gonna work on me you shitposting faggot

>>11385218
They literally do not have all the regions of the brain that activate when we experience pain. That doesn't prove they can't experience pain in their own way, but suggesting that pain is interpreted the same way in a human and a lobster is comparing apples to oranges.

>>11385303
>you cant compare fruit
What are you on about?

>>11385267
Nominating Hillary got the default republican candidate who happened to be trump to win.

>>11385316
Action and reaction in humans is going to be different from the action and reaction in lobsters. Run a knife across a lobster's exoskeleton and it'll be unharmed; do the same on a man and he'll bleed. What's understood about experiencing pain as a human won't help us know anything about experiencing pain as a lobster.

>>11384470
Implying I wouldn't beat that thing into mush with a baseball bat or a swift stomp in my size 12 boots

>>11382120
>they feel no pain
>they're basically machines
The same was said about babys and toddlers once. Better safe than sorry if it's that easy to prevent. Even if they only have basic programs, I wouldn't want them to run on 'something's wrong - try to escape the situation - it doesn't work - try harder!' for an hour just because I didn't bother killing them for good,

>>11382021
Yeah, the trick is probably to get the water hot enough to denaturate their nervous system before they realize what's happening.

>>11379448
I never thought lobsters don’t feel pain. I just never cared if they did.

>>11379666
>>11380013
Because they don't have one central brain that's easy to destroy in a quick slash or by cutting of their heads. They'll only bleed out or die of dehydration.

>>11385218
Then this whole thread is pointless retard

Everyone itt is a fucking faggot. If you saw one of those webms of gooks skinning dogs alive and cutting off their limbs, still alive, then boiling them, still alive -- half of you would line up to say how monstrous said gooks are. But when it's a lobster, you're not a monster? At least be consistent.
>inb4 comparing mammals to crustaceans
Lobsters obviously don't feel pain the way humans do, and guess what, neither do dogs. The exact same principle applies

>>11385262
Fucking hell, does /ck/ just stand for cuck?

It really is too bad since they taste fucking amazing.

Oh well, there's nothing we can do about it.

>>11385937
>believing shitposters

sober up

>>11385937
pretty sure its ja/ck/

>>11385866
No it doesn't because dogs are mammals and as such have a central nervous system similar to that of humans.

Crustaceans will straight up rip their own limbs off if its detrimental to them and they truck on as if nothing happened.

There's also too many dogs as it is so I really don't give a fuck if some gooks want to boil shitty alley dogs alive.

>>11385978
>No it doesn't because dogs are mammals and as such have a central nervous system similar to that of humans.
Crustaceans have similar nervous systems to human beings too, it's just to what degree faggot. We all share a common ancestor so that's not unexpected.
>>There's also too many dogs as it is so I really don't give a fuck if some gooks want to boil shitty alley dogs alive.
Careful not to cut yourself on that edge. Your entire view is a total fucking contradiction, shame you're too dumb to realize it, this distinction that only human pain is worthwhile or worth more is totally arbitrary.

>>11385996
So go save the poor dogs then faggot. You won't do shit but virtue signal about it and get on your high horse of muh consistency when its shallow at best.

>>11386011
I would if I could, but obviously I can't. Nothing stopping people from not boiling lobsters alive though. Keep knocking down those strawmen anon.

>>11386070
Your faggoty logical fallacies don't work on me debate club warrior, I simply don't give a fuck who """"wins""" this """"""debate""""""

I'll continue to throw sea bugs into boiling water alive and the world will keep on turning.

>>11380044
>Being a lobster and getting caught is pretty brutal
imagine being almost fucking immortal and then one day you get taken from your ancestral homeland and tossed into some goddamned hot water

>>11386127
I wouldnt feel it cause im a low iq lobster

>>11386131
but the lower your iq is the more you feel without thinking anon

>>11386090
Of course you will, the point was you're a thoughtless hypocrite, not that anyone expects or even thinks you can change.

>>11381927
Even if I were to concede the point that boiling alive is a preferable death for a lobster, you still have to ask yourself why you choose to eat it in the first place. Lobster is too expensive to eat just for survival; it's a delicacy. The animal dies solely for your pleasure. If sticking a knife through its head ruins part of the experience, whether in taste or aesthetics, the animal has been killed in vain. If it pleases you to give the lobster a faster death, do it. You've got to realize that any way you slice it, the lobster is always slain for the good the greater good.

>>11379882
>catched

>>11381927
Even if I were to concede the point that boiling alive is a preferable death for a lobster, you still have to ask yourself why you choose to eat it in the first place. Lobster is too expensive to eat just for survival; it's a delicacy. The animal dies solely for your pleasure. If sticking a knife through its head ruins part of the experience, whether in taste or aesthetics, the animal has been killed in vain. If it pleases you to give the lobster a faster death, do it. You've got to realize that any way you slice it, the lobster is always slain for the greater good of man.

>>11379448

I'm not a fag

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bDMnGiLTbc

>>11382029
>you should be doing everything you can to minimize the discomfort of something if you're going to kill it and eat it.
Why?

>>11386639
It makes the meat taste better. Stressed animals taste worse.

>>11379448
>death by steaming
like trying to commit suicide in a sauna, of course it's gonna suffer.

>>11386642
that's a rick and morty meme

>>11386642
Demonstrably false for fish and crustaceans.

>>11384910
>i turned out just fine

doubt.noire

>>11380044
That's a mantis shrimp, those fuckers will ook you in the dooker before you could wrap your grubby hands around it's head
Or pistol shrimp, one or both of them fuck shit up

>>11382045
Nothing works in Africa

>>11379448
I think being steamed is very different from dropping them straight into boiling water. More contact faster shock etc.
But I'd personally dispatch them with a knife first or put them in a freezer to cause them to fall asleep first. (Aquatic animals go into a hibernation state when put into cold temperatures, assuming you're not taking a tropical fish and instantly dropping it into cold water which instead causes shock.)

>>11386763
That's a rock lobster, you fucking retard.

>>11379448
"Meme" does not mean "lie"

>>11379780
kek

>>11385866
>neither do dogs
what did he mean by this?

>>11387517
Are you suggesting dogs and people have identical brains and nervous systems?

>>11379543
>faggot
>kicked our ass

>>11379448
what the fuck does the word meme mean to you

>>11382100
>make no mistake, there is malice in those things.
max level projection here coming from the guy who mutilates helpful pest control

>>11382035
>Young kids torturing insects for fun would be a bad sign.
I remember this actual psychopath in my school who would catch bugs and then pull all their limbs off with tweezers and then burn them alive with a lighter
he's in jail now for assaulting a little girl

>>11386666
says a dude who has never butchered, or if they have are real fucking dense

>>11379448
why not doing it gordon style and kill it before putting on the fucking pot? only brainlets think the suffering of a stupid sea cockroach would make it taste it better. KILL SECONDS BEFORE PUTTING IN THE POTS YA MORONS.

>>11379448
Thrashing doesn't necessarily indicate pain, just response. Think of if you have ever burnt yourself on a stove, you react first well before you feel pain. The question is, does a lobsters "brain" (really just a ganglia) have the ability to feel pain or just react to stimuli.

>>11379448
This
>>11380435
It doesn't have a fucking brain. It's like a worm. Do you step on ants? Same thing. The actual answer is to stick a spike through it behind the eyes, if you actually do it right it kills it instantly, basically how we slaughter pig and cattle. You do this because it's very easy, and way simpler than trying to determine whether or not lobsters do or do not feel pain, where or not nerve responses can be considered "feeling pain", or what level of sophistication is required to be self-aware, and finally if something is not self-aware, if it matters at all. Thus bringing us to the conclusion, it is morally acceptable to throw NPCs into pots of boiling water.

>>11389589
>it is morally acceptable to throw NPCs into pots of boiling water.

>>11388891
Yep. Anyone who took bio 101 can tell you the animal will build up lactic acid the more it fights before dying.

>>11389616
but taste is subjective, some people may prefer one taste over the other. how can it be better or worse objectively? popular is the more appropriate term.

>>11389623
It is my opinion that you should kill yourself.

>>11389638
and so it is my opinion that you should educate yourself.

>>11379616
this was before the day of refrigeration, shellfish goes bad fast as shit if not kept alive or frozen, so unless you actually lived on the coast you were usually eating bad shellfish, hence why it was cheap poor food

>>11386273
Lol I don't give a shit about a tasty sea bug dying. Anyone who feels bad about it has serious emotional issues. It's the circle of life, and it's never going to change

>>11390010
>I don't give a shit about a tasty sea bug dying.
That's exactly the point I'm making. If people actually cared so much about lobsters they wouldn't eat them in the first place, regardless of the method used to kill them.

I thought the best thing to do was just cut its face in half and then steam it

You must hate Hiro and FoodieBoy on YouTube lmao

>>11389623
>taste is subjective
If you cook the same cut of meat, one tortured and the other cooked humanely you would definelty taste the difference

>>11382035
Yeah, I used to kill cane toads too but I'm functioning normally as an adult.

>>11379448
What a fag, who gives a shit? It's a fucking lobster. You feel bad when you step on ants, you queer?

>>11385964
but there is

>>11383376
>projection and presuppositions

Concern for animal welfare has nothing to do with teen angst or whatever platitudinous horse shit you're trying to attribute to anyone in your post. If you've never loved a pet or felt perturbed by the maltreatment of living animal that was clearly distressed by the pain it was in then you're just an edgelord faggot who should get the gas.

>>11384870
tie a noose and put your head through it, bait or not

>>11379448
Who cares how much pain anything feels minutes before it dies? It's dead now and has no ability to process the pain it previously feelt.

>>11386011
>virtue signal

We're all anonymous here, there's no one to virtue signal to.

>>11379683
Can't even greentext properly what a faggot

>>11390446
already dead now, yes, but you don't have to inflict pain and kill more.

>>11379632
t. space alien conducting anal probes

>>11390446
Mm yea extensional, now stanley kubrick is my favorite director, thank you anonymous

>>11379664
Seek help anon

>>11379448
how fucking stupid do you have to be to learn that killing things hurts them?
it's a meme is a pretty big cop out for your own stupidity

>>11390539
Seek deez nutz nigga

>>11384273
>>11384334
ah, the states, that explains it

>>11390841
i can't find them lmao

>>11380004
That's not what Jordan Peterson told me, Bucko.

There is only one anwser when it comes to bugs.

>>11380069
It's probably a lot more similar to pain than you're imagining because this is the most important basic function of the nervous system.

>>11392117
what you are doing is anthropomorphizing it. you are assuming lobster pain = human pain. lobster CNS = human CNS. therefor pain to humans would equate to pain for lobsters.

that is untrue. there is no conclusive evidence to suggest that lobsters and humans feel pain in similar fashions. you are merely giving the lobster the benefit of the doubt. please, at the same time, give vegetables the benefit of the doubt, science has no conclusively proven they do not feel pain in their own way as well.

>>11380060
The only right answer.

>>11392160
>please, at the same time, give vegetables the benefit of the doubt, science has no conclusively proven they do not feel pain in their own way as well.
Just because there isn't any way to know for sure in either case doesn't mean you necessarily have the same level of belief about one vs. the other. I don't know whether the Yellowstone volcano will erupt tomorrow and I also don't know whether someone somewhere on this planet will die of a heart attack tomorrow, but that doesn't mean I'd wager the same amount of money for either event happening.

>>11392160
>We can't ask a lobster if it feels pain, so I'll just assume the answer is the one that lets me do what I wanted to in the first place.

>>11380241
Where is the lie?

>>11392205
it's a balance of probabilities since science cannot answer us definitively. like i said, if you give the lobster the benefit of the doubt, then you should give insects and vegetables that same benefit. imagine all the insects that were grounded up and mutilated to make your bread and cereal etc etc.

>>11392228
>if you give the lobster the benefit of the doubt, then you should give insects and vegetables that same benefit
Why "same?" Not the same guy you're replying to, but see:
>>11392186
I'm pretty sure it would make more sense to have different degrees of belief depending on the organism. You don't need to give exactly the same benefit of the doubt to all living things. And in reality nobody does that. At best you have the Jains who try to avoid even harming insects that might accidentally get in their walking path.

>>11392186
yes so you have justified your belief on the assumption that one is more likely then the other. the same way people who feel lobsters don't feel pain. you've given lobsters the benefit of the doubt but won't extend that benefit to vegetables or insects. even though the same problem persists in both scenarios. nobody knows to what extent vegetables or insects feel pain. mind you, insects and lobsters have similar 'brains' and nervous system.

>>11392237
the difference is Jains will not intentionally harm living things though it is inevitable that the act of consumption entails some form of harm. only through a Jains ignorance that vegetables are inanimate and the same as a rock. the real answer is that science has not conclusively proven that vegetables do not feel pain their own way. if Jains were to accept that there is the possibility that vegetables can possibly feel pain, they should simply starve themselves to death to stay true.

>>11392242
>the same way people who feel lobsters don't feel pain
I think you're using "same" where it isn't warranted here too. You keep on trying to make different things sound identical when they aren't. Almost nobody in existence would agree treating lobsters as though they could feel pain would be the same as treating carrots as though they could feel pain. I doubt even most people who strongly believe lobsters probably don't suffer in the same way people do would agree that lobsters are interchangeable with vegetables in terms of the likelihood they feel pain.

>>11392237
>this only makes sense if you gauge it by MY estimation, not yours
fuck off, vegan

>>11392260
i use the word 'same' as in how they should be treated. vegetables, insects and lobsters are all different things. but the act of giving one thing the benefit of the doubt and not the others is illogical. science cannot conclusively prove if vegetables, insects or lobsters can feel pain. why say the lobster is exceptional and worthy of the benefit of the doubt whilst the others aren't? moreso, insects and lobsters are very similar in brain and nervous system. why consume vegetables when the process causes so much harm to insects? imagine all the mutilated, boiled, burned, drowned insects used in the process of farming and distribution.

>>11392271
I'm not a vegan. I eat meat every day. You can eat meat without needing to believe animals don't feel pain. Not sure why you thought otherwise.

>stabbing a lobster in the head instantly kills it and stops all sensation
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAAAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHA

>>11392279
>the act of giving one thing the benefit of the doubt and not the others is illogical
It's only "illogical" if you make the false assumption all beliefs are equal. There's nothing "illogical" about giving the benefit of the doubt for a case you have a moderately good amount of evidence for while at the same time not giving the benefit of the doubt for a case you have almost no evidence for. Nothing's certain, but that doesn't mean all things are equally doubtful.

>>11392292
and thus we reach the individuals bias. one belief is more worthy then the other. do tell me, since lobsters and insects have very similar brains and nervous system. is it not reasonable to assume that if you believe lobsters can feel pain, insects can to? or are insects icky and don't taste good so they can't feel pain?

>>11392302
>is it not reasonable to assume that if you believe lobsters can feel pain, insects can to?
There is definitely some reason to believe insects feel pain. And I would easily rank my degree of belief in insect pain as much higher than my degree of belief in vegetable pain. Also I wouldn't advocate for boiling insects alive.

>>11392311

>>Also I wouldn't advocate for boiling insects alive.

but the act does happen on a massive scale with farming, distribution and cooking of vegetables. how does one justify consuming vegetables knowing this while condemning another person for boiling a lobster?

>>11392311
What is your proposed method of lobster killing?

>>11380380
top zozzle dude keep replying, it'll certainly keep your virginity intact LMAO

>>11393196
the zozzle meme is still around... ooouhhhh this makes me cum. based + redzozzle'd