/ck/ - Food & Cooking

me like food

If they saw food purely in terms of calories they wouldn't be fat in the first place.

t. skeleton mode retards who couldn't even gain weight if they tried

>>11138102
>t.lardass who eats 3k+ calories a day and sits on their ass

>>11138076
They get into the habit of eating a lot. I remember seeing all the fatties in my old college cafeteria with plates full of fries and hot dogs.

Recovering fatty here.
Maybe it's something people who were skinny their whole lives don't understand, but being hungry fucking sucks when you're fat. It just feels like a weird uncomfortableness in your stomach that just gets worse and worse as time goes on. I am still choosy about what I eat for dinner because I know that it's the last meal I'll have until lunch the next day.
Now that I've lost a bit of weight it isn't that bad but I would start feeling hungry right in the middle of lunch and dinner, and would inevitably reach for a couple pizza roll1s to hold me over to dinner.

i fuckin know how to lose weight idiot, im fat because I'm lazy and addicted to food

>>11138102
>eating more is comparable to eating less.
Eat more cake fatass

>>11138076
>humans are not evolutionary adapted to eat multiple times in one day, and they're certainly not supposed to eat 1000+ calories in a single sitting.
So we should all only have less than 1000 calorie meals once a day? You know not everyone is 4'5" and sedentary right?

>>11138076
Roman-Pantheon Quality Post.
You're the man now dawg.

>>11138342
Eat more steak scrawny

um evolution isn't real sweetie

>>11138076
Because they have mental deficiencies that cause them to value other motivators more strongly than well-being, appearance, and long-term comfort and function.

Used to be fat. I think there's a whole variety of reasons people get fat in the first place. Sad as it sounds, I didn't really have much going on in my life a the time and think I largely ate out of boredom. For others it's stress, depression, etc. For me finding shit to do made a huge difference. Lot easier to avoid overeating when you're busy and needing to eat becomes an inconvenience.

You also gain weight very slowly, and you just kinda get used to your own size. I was 270 pounds at 5'11" and while I know I was fat I didn't feel fat. It wasn't really until I lost the weight and saw the difference that I had my "how the actual fuck did I let that happen in the first place" moment.

This unfortunately leads to the corollary that it takes forever to lose the weight. At 2 pounds a week, losing 120 pounds is gonna take a while. This is honestly more of a getting started problem though. Once you lose enough weight that people notice, it's motivating as all fuck.

Also this is very bro-science-y, but I feel like some people are just naturally wired to overeat. Even now, despite eating a consistently healthy diet for several years I still have to keep an eye on calories because if I just eat until I naturally feel full I end up going way over. I don't feel starved or anything, but I also rarely feel full.

>>11138076
I'm pretty sure a lot of them eat their feelings. Fat people are usually less happy from the start because of some mental problems or hang-ups. I know I ate my feelings until I understood what my problem was.

>>11138506
>Even now, despite eating a consistently healthy diet for several years I still have to keep an eye on calories because if I just eat until I naturally feel full I end up going way over.
Same bro
>you will literally be counting calories for the rest of your life

>>11138506
>Also this is very bro-science-y, but I feel like some people are just naturally wired to overeat

That was my problem. I would never feel full and always hungry. I still feel hungry almost all of the time

>>11138076
obesity is a mental illness

>>11138315
>It just feels like a weird uncomfortableness in your stomach that just gets worse and worse as time goes on.
You could just take some tylenol pm if you really can't figure out what else to fill your time with.
t. hungry skelly who frequently fails to get a meal in because I'm too tired to get up from bed

>>11138795
i'm pretty sure there's a physical component to it too

>>11138810
>t. hungry skelly who frequently fails to get a meal in because I'm too tired to get up from bed
hmmmmmmmmm.....

food = energy
energy = not tired
not tired = bored
bored = food

Fat people just need cocaine and cigarettes

>>11138840
Not sure what you're trying to say here.
Take Tylenol PM. Or etizolam, whatever. Just take something that'll put you to sleep. Sleep is a hundred times more pleasant than eating so if you start appreciating sleep more you'll stop eating so much.

>>11138846
>Sleep is a hundred times more pleasant than eating
Not even close my man. I'd gladly stay up for 48 hours if it meant I could eat this again. I think you have something seriously fucked up going on with you. Eating can literally be better than sex sometimes.

I could get by on two meals a day because I often skip lunch but not one. I can't fathom skipping breakfast and going about my day with stomach pain. Do hunger pains lessen if you spend a long time eating so little?

16 bmi and dabbing on dumb fatties

Eating smaller portions of food every single day fucking sucks. I usually just stuff myself with food like a complete fatass one day then fast for 5 days or so along with some exercise.

>>11138969
Just stop eating at all until you're bordering underweight. Take multivitamin to stave off malnutrition while your body eats its own fat reserves. Follow up with clean eating (ask /fit/) and lifting weights. The thing with fasting is your body also eats excess skin so you won't get that classic skirt of loose skin.

>>11139236
Congrats, you just discovered intermittent fasting. You think your ancestors had food everyday. Or wou it be more likely they came across a big score every few days?

>>11138076
>eating half of what you're currently eating every single day.
Which for most people's diet is around 70% carbs
Which means that eating below your maintenance will lead to muscle loss (well documented by science on high carb hypocaloric diets)
Which means that as you lose muscle, you'll caloric requirements for maintenance will lower
Which means you will get even fatter easier when your weight is low but you look like wobbly shit and then start overeating again

Don't talk about what you don't know dumb roastie/skeleton

t. /fit/

>b-but what should I do then
keto with IF or long term fasting on multivitamins and water

>>11138849
I guess fat people might have some weird inability to get pleasure from sleep then.

>>11138076
I don't understand how people who don't think Yui is best continue to exist, either, but they do.

>>11139337
>keto with IF or long term fasting on multivitamins and water
Fucking memes. How about you just consume a moderate deficit while balancing your macros and lifting+cardio so that you avoid as much muscle loss as possible as well as lose weight in a way the develops long-term, positive lifestyle habits? Good luck getting most fatties going from bloatmax 24/7 to IF overnight.

>>11140627
Another recovering fatty here (260lb down to 180lb). I get pleasure from sleep, but not nearly as much as food. Eating is by far the best feeling, and I would take food over sex pretty much every time. Also I have a hard time getting tired enough to sleep, and I only really feel 'full' when I've definitely eaten way too much. The only times I really feel satisfied is when I eat 3500+ calories in a day. It sucks, I wish I wasn't this way.

fat people are lazy and stupid, it's as simple as that

>>11140659
If you've been on a moderate deficit for quite some time eating several smaller meals throughout the day, you should have noticed by now that the amount you can eat without feeling extremely uncomfortable has also reduced. It makes it extremely difficult to overeat without feeling like dog shit.

>>11140704
It's been over a year now. The rare occasions that I give in and eat 3/4 of a large pizza are the only times I feel happy. 'Food is happiness' is basically just hardwired in my brain I guess. Dieting has helped my physical health, but my mental health has been in a bad state. It doesn't feel good to constantly feel like you're undereating and part of me dreads the day I reach my weight loss goal because I'm afraid of immediately putting all the weight back on. I stopped my diet for like 3 weeks and put back on 15 lbs. I even thought I was doing ok during that time. I basically have to count calories the rest of my life because I can't trust myself to intuitively judge how much I'm eating

>>11140659
>Eating is by far the best feeling
Food is basically on the bottom rung as far as drug highs go. Any decent recreational drug that isn't either a food itself (like alcohol) or an outright appetite stimulant (like cannabis) tends to make users emaciated. Because you could only ever appreciate food as a high if you weren't already acquainted with a much better high.

>>11138795
Definitely a mental illness.

>>11140770
Youre wrong. I used to smoke weed and drink heavily. I've also taken plenty of benzos (alprazolam, clonazepam, etizolam) and dissociatives (ket, mxe, dxm) recreationally in the past. Ive tried stims and opiates but they never really did anything great for me. Food beats them all on satisfaction.

>>11140908
I think there are fewer people like you than there are opiate users who do respond to opiates with way more pleasure than they do with food. The emaciated heroin addict trope is proof of that. If most opiate users were like you all the great musical acts of the 90s wouldn't look like living skeletons.

>>11140933
I never claimed I was the norm, I'm just saying that as a formerly fat person, nothing is as satisfying as food and that is why I was fat. The fact I have crippling anxiety and food is my coping mechanism also has a lot to do with it.

>>11138076
>Believing calories are a bad thing so you need to put 0 of them

Getting fat and obese is the results of years of bad habits
Getting fit means almost an equal amount of time of exercise and diet, which is leaving a huge comfort zone full of processed food made not to fill but make you more Hunger.
Willpower is a really finite resource and Sedentary people have almost close to zero of it.
The good thing is we invented something called discipline, and combined with the fact that a healthy live is actually more fulfilling than Living on shit food, it is a very rewarding thing, especially when you used to be fat like me. The problem is that most people are ignorant just like you Op and think diet means starving which scare fat people and make others get into desnutrition


tl;rd don't tell others people how to be healthy,lead by example you useless piece of shit,get cucked

>>11140908
Also I'm a bit surprised you've actually listed out most of the specific drugs I was thinking of which I would personally consider way better than food for pleasure. How are you able to take a nice relaxing benzo, or that beautiful mind dissolving dissociative body high psycho-bath, or a morphine TKO and still end up thinking a fucking sandwich is better? What the fuck?

>>11140955
>almost an equal amount of time of exercise and diet
No, that's stupid. These people probably didn't become fat intentionally through some efficient fat gaining plan. They took a meandering route towards self-destruction which can be undone with way less time and effort by way of actually taking a deliberate direct route back to a lower weight.
By your logic if someone's apartment gets progressively more in disarray and covered in trash over a couple of months, then it'll take a couple of months to clean it. When in reality you can easily undo even the most horrible couple of months worth of neglect and garbage accumulation in an apartment with a little time spent cleaning during a single day.

>>11140958
I'm nearly always thinking about food. It's a base-level thing. Even while I'm eating I'm thinking about my next meal. Drugs do their thing, but theyre kind of a higher-level feeling. I loved mxe and dxm the most aside from some psychedelics, but they just don't have any 'fulfilling' properties for me, they're just good fun. Sure, food doesn't get me high or make me feel like my legs are merging into my friend's legs on the couch, but stuffing my stomach full of food, even mediocre food, is the best feeling.

>>11140990
People are not apartments
Fat people and specially obese people need to start doing exercise slow like baby steps to not scare themselves and throw the towel,and to not hurts theirs muscles because suddenly they want to become fit in one day.
it does actually take a lot of time if we count that a high porcentage of people abandon physical activities (not only fat people) because they get either frustrated or can't leave the comfort zone. Willpower leads you to change but it is only long hard work and discipline that makes you get out of that hell people call obesity. this also ensures to help you live the rest of your life In a healthy way and not become fat again

>>11140734
Anon, you're on /ck/. Everyone here loves (fast food memes). I cook because I want to eat great tasting, flavorful food everyday. Nothing wrong with that - in (caloric) moderation.

You need to get out of the dieting mindset, which is short term, and into the lifestyle mindset, which is long term. There is no end to eating well and being active, but the reward is feeling great so long as you keep the right mindset. There shouldn't be a fear of hitting your goal weight because you would have completely adopted your newer, healthier habits, and are enjoying the benefits. Your approach is too defeatist in mindset.

Also, do you cook? If you're eating great, flavorful food that you've cooked, and doing so in moderation, I doubt you'd be feeling so restless unless your caloric deficit is infeasibly large. If you cook well, there shouldn't even be a temptation to revert to an unhealthy lifestyle. Why eat mediocre trash when you can eat like a king?

>>11140955
>Willpower is a really finite resource.
For faggots, maybe. If one has willpower issues, I'd be willing to be the rest of their life is in shambles.

>>11141073
My GF or I cook every night. Once every couple weeks we'll eat out. I have no pre-made food in my house that I can even think of. We eat very clean and I love the food we eat, but my issue is food quantity. I like to eat till it gets physically harder to move around. I like to eat till my mouth refuses to chew any more. I haven't eaten like that in a long time, but it's what I crave. Last time it happened was in June.

I like being healthier. I like the food I've been eating. I don't miss sweating just because the weather is mildly warm. I like not being winded from a set of stairs. I don't like that I haven't felt truly sated in months. The Anon that said it's a mental illness is right.

>>11141073
>Relying on shitty will that eventually get rekt as one push it's own limits leading to frustration and panic
>Not simply ignoring everything and keep going aided by an iron discipline made from sweat and blood and spiced with previous failures

>>11141240
They're one and the same from a certain point of view, anon. It starts with willpower. The will to act. If you act and then fail, you learn perseverance. And if you persevere through continued failures, you obtain the discipline to reach your goals. But it starts with the will to act.

>>11141213
If you enjoy that feeling of discomfort, you should be doing some serious introspection to sort yourself out. I wouldn't say it's a mental illness, but pretty close. You need to put the effort in to rewire your brain to accept a more moderate satiety. Saying it's a mental illness and that it will never change as an aspect of you is as much a cope as not having the will to act and blaming that on genetics.

>>11141240
>>will
>>iron discipline
sounds the same to me.

>>11138506
I feel this spiritually

>>11140656
>just eat better

So much this. As long as you're getting a reasonable variety, the macros don't even really matter much for basic weight loss. No need to do anything drastic. Basic calorie counting, making an effort to cut back on processed junk and getting some exercise works just fine.

>>11141548
this right here. There's no need to go full sperg. Eat less volume, eat more variety, get exercise, cut out processed garbage. That's it.

>>11139337
>Posts retarded broscience and advocates for ketogenic diet in contexts other than epilepsy
>t. /fit/
Checks out.

I have no bits for you today sir!!

>>11139337
>t. /fit/

Don’t worry bro, you validated yourself as a complete retard before this

>>11141612
>>11141681
Meanwhile we have bodies that don't induce vomit while you can barely walk from your chair to the bed without sweating.

>>11141825
Sweetie aint no one tryin to look at your ugly ass to even vomit at you to begin with

>>11141835
cope

>>11141858
I hope that's just some random picture you googled for max shitposting and you're not actually so pathetic that you're uploading half naked pictures of yourself to win a stupid "ur fat no u" argument on a FOOD AND COOKING board

>>11141913
Keep pretending you won't schlick to it later.

>>11141858
>two bracelets
faggot

>>11138076
>if i say some dumb shit mixed in with some miscontstrued true shit, i'll get replies
upvoted

>>11141944
I believe one of them is referred to as a "watch"

>>11141956
>time bracelet
>"watch"
whatever helps you sleep

>>11141858
damn, this white boi looks fine, you interested in black girls?

What I don't get is how far they let it go

I've gained weight but at some point you look yourself in the mirror and realize this can't go on and lose weight

>>11141990
out of sight
out of mind

people's motivation evaoporates the second they stop looking at themselves
sometimes it lasts a whole day, just enough for them to buy a diet book or a gym membership and then forget about it

why do you think the weight loss industry makes $60 billion annually?

>>11141990
Guy above nailed it. Getting fat is a gradual process, and it takes a long time before you really feel the effects. Sure you look in the mirror and see the gut.. but it's what you've seen most of your life and doesn't stand out to you.

>>11138076
because I don't feel like eating less

until 2nd year of college i didn't know that hunger was actually that acidic feeling in your stomach, instead of the cravings you get in your mouth. so that might be an explanation.

also i used to be fat

>>11141938
So in fact you are this pathetic. BTW I'm a guy, and I'm in better shape than you, but I don't post pictures of myself on 4chan because I'm not a complete fucking loser.

>>11141858
is this that weeb tripfag from /g/?

The only time I abstain from eating is when I am going to be taking pills.

>>11140627
Sleep is a massive waste of our already limited time on this earth. Being tired sucks, but sleeping more than you need to also sucks.
If I could get the necessity to sleep removed, I would do so in a heartbeat.

>>11138076
>I don't understand how fat people continue to exist when losing weight is as simple as eating half of what you're currently eating every single day.
Maybe they don't like/didn't do that?

Wtf?

I'm overweight the same reason an Augistian monk that taught me once was overweight. I drink too much beer. So I have a gigantic beer gut. Don't know why that happens but... it does.

So maybe before you criticize people for eating too much food, you might consider if they're just and alcoholic with a potbelly.

>>11143224
Alcoholics have the same problem fat people have ... they lack will power.

>>11138076

Because apetite.
To lower appetite do intermittent fasting a ketogenic diet. Forget the back and forth arguments, it just works.

>>11143573
Alcoholism is a disease. Being a fat ass who eats too much isn't.

>>11141213
Here's a tip: eat a shitton of low calorie, high fiber vegetables like celery or cucumber. Keep eating until you're full and top off with water.

>>11142345
t. fatty

You find something that makes me instantly happy that lasts for three to four hours for less than $0.75 a go and I'll switch. Until then, I enjoy food.

>>11140627
Very true for people with chronic pain. And a common side effect of dealing with chronic pain? Weight gain from overeating and lack of exercise.

>>11141045
>Fat people and specially obese people need to start doing exercise
You don't need exercise. At all. The only purpose for exercising is not becoming an Auschwitz after losing the weight.

For a lot of fatties, exercising will actually harm their efforts - because people feel like taking a flight of stairs entitles them to make up for it with eating three chocolate cakes as a 'reward'.

In many cases it is the parents fault.

>getting forced to finish everything on the plate
>getting forced to finish that huge glass of whole milk so you grow up big and strong
>getting forced to eat the leftovers so they don't go bad
>giant pile of carbs EVERY SINGLE DAY

Literally had no choice but to be fat as a kid. Took some years but I am finally down to a healthy weight. Now I see fat kids and want to beat some sense into their parents for fucking up their children's lives.

>>11143765
wrong.
exercise is necessary if the goal is health, rather than simply not being fat.
Exercise is also the single best thing anyone can do to boost their mood, once their body gets used to it. That's vital for someone looking to eliminate what has previously been their strategy for happiness.

>>11143810
>if the goal is health, rather than simply not being fat
And we've specifically been talking about the goal of NOT BEING FAT, not being healthy. In case the thread title didn't give it away.

>>11138076
lol caloric restriction is a meme and fucks you up. IF or OMAD is the way to go.
i did caloric restriction and still remained a fat fuck, began with IF and ended with OMAD and lost 9 kilos in 2 months.

>>11144288
On the other end, I had great success with basic calorie counting / calorie reduction and cleaning up my diet (more chicken and veg, less frozen pizza and pepsi) plus walking everywhere that I realistically could. I don't think I could have stuck with IF, nor keto or any of the other restrictive diets.

I think there's just a whole bunch of ways to lose weight. They all work, and unless they are batshit insane they're probably safe. You can argue effectiveness, but I don't think any of them are hugely more effective then the others. Just pick whichever one you think you can stick with and it'll probably work out.

>>11144324
good for you i guess, but i don't know why people think IF is restrictive, it's just skipping breakfast and that's exactly what I did.

>>11144288
Caloric restriction is how you lose weight. If you are losing weight, you are by definition restricting your calories. If the calories you eat are less than the calories you burn, you lose weight. It's not that hard to understand.

>>11144249
Being fat is a mental state and synonymous with being a lazy useless piece of shit

>>11143213
It's not a waste of time, sleeping feels great and dreaming is a biologically built in fantasy VR game with perfect graphics and unlimited content.
>If I could get the necessity to sleep removed, I would do so in a heartbeat.
That's fucking crazy. Sleep is the one constant pleasure even when most everything else in your life gets screwed up. I would much, much sooner volunteer to be cured of the necessity to eat than try to rob myself of the ability to sleep. Eating is just shoveling some mashed up meat and grains down your throat and then maybe feeling the slightest of body highs for a few moments afterwards. It comes nowhere close to when you're free of your work and responsibilities for the day and can collapse into bed and let yourself dissolve into a deep coma-like ocean of ego death.

>>11143797
I don't wanna blame my parents but I honestly think this is true as well. My parents let me do whatever the fuck I wanted as a kid, so I stuffed my face full of all the snacks you can imagine, eating entire packages of chocolates, cookies, bags of potato chips and what have you.

To this day, I sometimes still do that. I had a very, very unhealthy childhood. There are periods where I'm normal weight and have a balanced, normal diet, and then there are periods where I regress back to those bad habits.

>>11145333
>ego death.
This is literally the worst thing, I would gladly take eternal suffering in hell if it allowed me to keep my ego for the aforementioned eternity.

>>11145418
I don't think you understand what ego death is.

>>11145042
caloric restriction is not fasting you redditor, go read some more before playing gotcha.

If being thin was easy everyone would do it. I really don’t see how anything you say could defeat that simple logic. You’re never going to motivate fat people by berating them and delegitimising their perspective.

>>11146758
IF won't make you lose weight unless you're also restricting calories. If you eat 2500 calories doing OMAD and your maintenance is 1800, you will gain weight.

ITT: CICOfags on suicide watch