/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>11137536
Stop giving them healthcare.

>>11137536
>let's purposely make staple foods more expensive.
>what could go wrong?
>let's make food production a state-run enterprise.
>what could go wrong?
i'm glad brainlets like you aren't actually in charge of things.

As much as I hate the idea of the government controlling what we eat, this idea isn't too bad. Telling people what to do doesn't work so the idea of financially wrangling these foodtards into submission seems like one of the only ways to go.

>>11137552
But this doesn't happen in countries with socialized medicine. Do you think you would see something like THIS outside of America?

>>11137560

People who do this deserve death.

Dogs don't get this seriously overweight unless you are over feeding them. Lack of Exercise certainly doesn't help but that is not what caused this.

>>11137558
you don't hate the idea of the government controlling what you eat, because you literally said that you want them too immediately after. that's like saying "i hate the idea of raping babies, but i'll rape this one because it seems like a good idea in this particular instance"

the government is not your daddy, and you are not every other citizen's daddy. keep telling people what to do, i'm sure you will make lots of friends

>>11137573
Exactly, and you only see this in America.
Look, another fat fuck American who doesn't even know how calories work.

>>11137560
>doggo was not amused

>Get the government involved! Surely they’ll fix it this time!

God i fucking hate jews

>>11137536
>How do we force people to do what I want them to do?

>>11137579

Not really, I mean, the snap itself has them saying stone. That's a UK measurement of weight. Besides, there is a morbidly obese family that is complaining that they aren't getting enough government benefits from not working (for being too fat to.)

America is certainly the worst, but you find sickos like this in the UK too.

Why would you want to fix it?
Why not just sit back and enjoy the free foot up in life you get from having ~11%-42% of the population in your area being unattractive, uncompetitive, stupid, and lazy?

>>11137536
>What can the government do to fix this? I'm basically thinking cutting subsidies to dairy/milk/corn which would cause the prices to skyrocket, forcing people to consume more vegetables.


Sorry, but I do not and will never ever allow the government to dictate what I can eat and what I can't eat. I will not let Americas heartland suffer for the sake of a vegetable lover or another persons version of healthy. Our own government officials are fat.. so if you want to start anywhere start with them. While your at it ban alchohol too since it's a huge contributing factor. It will never happen. Ever. Screw you and you fascist ideology you secret fatty troll.

>>11137560
Nice bait but Americans don't measure weight in stones. That's a British fatty.

>>11137618
>Our own government officials are fat.. so if you want to start anywhere start with them

It definitely should be illegal for officials to be fat.

>>11137536
>I'm basically thinking cutting subsidies to dairy/milk/corn which would cause the prices to skyrocket, forcing people to consume more vegetables.
That's only going to hurt poor people and cause social issues. Those foods don't inherently make people fat either, overeating is the issue.

A lot of people say that fasting helps them not overeat. It's really surprising how many people start to feel hungry and act like they're about to die just because they haven't eaten in 8~ hours, or sometimes even less. Some people just can't handle being hungry and constantly stuff themselves. I do 24 hour fasts sometimes and it's like nothing now, I'll feel hungry for a while but I don't get upset or start freaking out and talking about how I'm going to pass out from low blood sugar like a lot of overweight people do.

>>11137648
>dairy/milk/corn
>Those foods don't inherently make people fat either
Although I guess if you want to talk about corn being used to make corn syrup, since processed sugars like that can add hundreds of calories to someone's daily intake without making them feel full.

>>11137648
What's scary is that there are swaths of people in our country who never learned about the Russian Revolution or the Cold War and how every state that tries to control food production ends up starving their own people. They actually think ideas like this are "for the greater good"

>>11137536
>something is wrong in my community what can we do
>what me do something? No no no this is a job for the federal government instead of an actual citizen of the community.
Left wing faggots everytime.

>>11137648
This

But how the fuck do we limit how much people can eat? How do we stop them cooking massive portions of everything?

>>11137577
No I do hate the idea of the government telling people what to do but in this case it seems like it would do some good but ultimately im back on the idea that the government needs to stay off. You make a point.

Taking an financial solution on this one would be a disaster come to think of it and more social ways should be taken.
Increase fat shaming

>>11137664
At least OP admitted his solution was authoritarian and implied it's probably a bad thing I suppose. But yeah when your solutions to something like this involve the use of force it's probably not a good solution.

Soda Taxes.
Fat people can start making downpayments on their (inevitable) burden on the healthcare system.

Remove American blacks from the obesity statistics and you don't have a problem.

>>11137667
You don't. You accept that sub 100 IQ people exist. You accept that weak willed people exist. You accept that they will breed with each other and continue existing.

Ultimately an unhealthy population increases taxes, say a 600 lb man on deaths door shows up to a hospital with no money, they will always treat somebody in critical condition and guess who pays for that? The state aka the taxpayer, so non-governmental types for this instance are in favor of less government oversight but are ok with the increase in taxes, healthcare is a tricky subject that isn't so black and white with muh gubbamint stay out of my life and lower my taxes, can't have both in this instance unless you can convince hospitals to deny treatment

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>>11137577
What a low quality post. "I'll just make an extreme false equivalence to try and make this guy seem wrong, paired with how he won't have any friends because he disagrees with me."
All while hardly understanding what he was even saying to start with.

>>11137635
Probably a tranny too.

>>11137708
that is not accurate at all. also unsourced and without frame of reference. I just checked official govt records at NIH dot gov and they say obesity is more around 40% for the adult population

>>11137722
I think you are the one who doesn't understand. It's not a false equivalence, I was using purposely flawed logic to point out his own contradiction. You have blinders on.

>>11137704
The point isn't to just ignore the problem anon, this is a huge fucking deal and society needs a solution

>>11137791
Go solve it then dumbass.

>>11137727
That image is for overweight and obese, not just obese. I think about half of all overweight people are also obese which is closer to your 40%, since the image says 68% are overweight.

>>11137791
it's a huge deal how unintelligent people live their lives? They know about obesity, diabetes and heart disease yet they make the choice everyday. There is no way to 'force' them to eat less or eat healthy food. They have to come to that decision on their own. We have all sorts of health education in schools, but stupid people will do stupid things. It's not a secret that processed, frozen dinners are bad for you.

>>11137727
he's a retard but the point stands, largely because of poverty

>>11137829
I don't give a flying fuck if stupid people eat unhealthy food and kill themselves, my problem is with the burden it puts on society. Obesity costs the NHS £11 billion a year, and that needs fucking fixing

>>11137842
>NHS
didn't realize that you are British. I think I see the problem now: as a taxpayer, you don't want to pay for other people's government-bloated healthcare costs. And I'm totally on board with that.

>>11137834
>>11137727
>>11137816
>>11137708
Then perhaps the solution lies in raising more people out of poverty and continuing to make healthy foods cheaper with innovative production methods

>>11137852
Yeah I'm a britfag, I don't know much about american healthcare but I was under the impression it was public to some extent? Is obesity treatment public at all in the US?

>>11137842
Well then while your bitching you need to call out all over eaters, all alcoholics, all smokers and dippers ,all druggies, all porn addicts, all vidya addicts, all handicapped, all the eBay users, etc because none of these people contribute to society and are also a drain too, right? I mean where's Hitler when you need him?

>>11137932
Well you're right anon those things do put a strain on the health service but the problem with obesity is the sheer volume, you know that it costs the NHS far far far more than any of those things

>>11137864
weight isn't controlled by poverty, poor people eat cheap as fuck rice and beans

weight is correlated to being a stupid fuck which also is correlated to being poor

>>11137635
>>11137602
He's falseflagging you stupid fuck, pay attention.

>>11137937
It doesn't. Your not fooling anyone but yourself.

>>11137864
Healthy food is the cheapest food I make 7k a year I cannot afford to eat fast food I cook every meal I eat

>>11137956
Just Google it anon, the numbers don't lie

>>11137952
people in africa eat staples of rice, beans, grains. meat and dairy is not prevelant in their diet. The only reason it's accessible in the US is because of government intervention(subsidies). A big mac for example which is $5 would cost $13 without subsidies. Any kind of substantial meat and cheese would be astronomical in cost.

So the majority of fatties could not afford to eat, and would rely on tubers, grains for their diet.

>>11137976
Oh really. You have a 2018 report on all this or just outdated bullshit. No I won't google it. You google it

>>11137691
They tried this in Chicago and people just bought all their soda from the nearest stores in the next county. They repealed the tax after 2 months lol. As much as I hate soda and fat people, a simple county wide tax will stop them from consuming it. It's not like someone would/ could pass a national or even state law to tax soda.

>>11137979
I can make a bigmac for 3$

>>11137922
it is in the worst possible place: between public and private. Individual healthcare plans are heavily regulated and subsidized by the government, which allows doctors to charge huge prices because the cost is not a burden on the consumer. There are laws that prevent you from buying insurance outside of your state of residence, so there is no competition which also increases prices. Basically healthcare companies are ripping off the government and the taxpayer.

>>11137536
The thing is that fat people tend to feel depressed and lethargic most of the time, so it's gonna require more than knowledge of how to cook or what kinds of foods are healthy to pull them out of that hole.

>>11137602
>>11137635
>Please be patient I have Autism
the post

>Government fucked the American diet
>Why isn't government doing more to change the American diet

>>11137922
>obesity treatment
Not who you originally responded to but I'm not sure what you mean by this. If you wanted to loose weight but didn't know where to start then you could see a doctor, which might be covered by insurance. He would most likely send you to a nutritionist or something along those lines, but that visit and treatment would most likely be out of pocket and not covered by insurance. If you wanted liposuction or similar weight loss surgery then you would most likely have to pay for the majority of that yourself as well.

>>11137979
No, they wouldn't, they'd buy bean burritos or some other form of cheap processed/fast food, because they're stupid and lazy.

>>11137994
not*

>>11137989
Here's a 2017 for smoking
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/10/comes-smokers-burden-nhs-may-contribute-tax-take

And obesity in 2017
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/health-matters-obesity-and-the-food-environment/health-matters-obesity-and-the-food-environment--2

2017 is the most recent i can find, and smoking is one of the most costly societal problems. You can see obesity still outweighs it (no pun intended) by several billion pounds.

>>11138040
rip fucked up first url

should be https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/18/comes-smokers-burden-nhs-may-contribute-tax-take

>>11137979
It's prevalent in the US because we actually have agriculture and domesticated animals, whereas Africa never figured it out.

>>11138043
Wow. Thanks for that politically correct ariticle pushing its own agenda

>>11138065
Lolwut are you dumb
All I was referencing was the data

>>11138081
What data? It's an opinion piece

>>11138106
Are you blind?
>According tothe Action on Smoking and Health group, smoking costs the NHS in England approximately £2bn a year for treating diseases caused by smoking

>>11138125
tobacco brings in way more than 2 billion a year they should use that money to treat tobacco related illness but they dont

>>11137536
Like you point out, they're addicted. The brain is wired to seek out those things, and they've been getting a steady supply all their lives.

Really it's a multi-step approach that has to be taken:

>Stop subsidizing Corn
>Subsidize real food, if you have to subsidize anything at all
>invest in infrastructure to improve regional economies

People will riot btw because food prices will go up and our huge corporate food industries will suffer. The only conceivable way you could do this is as a dictator

>>11138236
Yeah after listening to Alice Waters (a utopian idealist I know) I've always dreamed of some radical agrarian future, where everything is hyper-local, and rooted in seasonality. No more avocados in Alaska and such.

I know some parts of the US will need imports, and exportation is important for the economy but as it currently stands companies like Sysco are shipping food for schools halfway across the country despite there being farms next door.

It's cheaper to buy fish farmed in the South China Sea, frozen shipped across the Pacific, put on a truck in California and driven to South Florida than it is to buy local fish a few miles away from where I live

Human beings change based on incentive
>make healthy foods cheap
Make unhealthy foods hard to produce
>ban common artificial ingredients

>>11137560>>11137579

anon, that is " secret eaters" a brit tv show

>>11137573
>dos don't get this overweight unless they have access to enough food
Is your point that it should be illegal for fat people to buy food?

>>11137536
It is obvious. People are kept on a feed routine just like cattle and swine. It is a production system that seems to work for the government. They need to send all households in america a pre-planned nutritious meal that is funded from tax dollars(which shouldn't cost too much in the billions if people are getting healthier). The food would be free and should be. The food would be made from raw produce locally with machine automation from farm to processor. The food would be stored like a tv dinner, ready for autonomous delivery via semi-trucks to distribution hubs located all over where postal office are, ideally(could help increase their funds and shutdowns for all I know). The calories would be great at first but as these cattle and swine start to convert more and more to the food, you would essentially control all that goes in.

>>11137536
Kill off the fat people

>>11137664
>removing subsidies is control of food production
>having subsidies is not control of food production
Hmmmm

>>11138941
I don't want the government controlling my food habits. The "myplate" suggests dairy, and a ton of grain servings. I cant eat dairy nor do I eat that much grain

>>11137604
True that.

>>11137618
>I tried to think of other non-authoritarian measures but i believe none would work.
How about you actually finish reading the paragraph, ancap nigger.

Just let them die. It's a rare corner of the U.S. and is not indicative of the total population. Not to mention this condition is just as foul as chronic smoking.

>>11137648
>It's really surprising how many people start to feel hungry and act like they're about to die just because they haven't eaten in 8~ hours, or sometimes even less. Some people just can't handle being hungry and constantly stuff themselves.
I believe that is the issue. You should be hungry. To eat until you're full means you're overstuffing yourself. Now do that three times a day or, even worse, staying full wih snacks nonstop throughout the day. Most people should only need 2 regular meals per day but cultural influence says we need three meals and eat until we're stuffed. I blame the baby boomer logic for that one. After they all die off, we can fix our habits in another 100 years.

>>11137536
I say we do everything in our power to make their diets worse and make even the simplest healthcare out of reach. Just let them kill themselves so we can watch.

>>11137536
>What can the government do to fix this?
You do know that government capture by the food industry is what caused this, no? And government is even more captured by the food industry than when this shit first started happening. Nothing will happen.

>>11139154
based and redpilled

>>11137536
>>11137558
Have you tried minding your own fucking business you worthless communist cuckold piece of shit?
As if the first world wasn't fucked enough with all those shitskins running wild raping and pillaging, now we need some soycucks banning "assault food" or taxing it to hell.

t. European

>>11139038
>I tried to think of other non-authoritarian measures for me to have sex with you, but i believe none would work.
>therefore it's okay to rape you

>right wing logic
>I'm really tired and annoyed because I have to pay for fuck ups of people that make bad life decisions such as becoming obese or alcoholic, they really put a drain in the system
>I know what you mean paul, it really sucks. What if each person was responsible for his life choices and was tasked to pay for his own healthcare? That way we wouldn't have to pay for the fuck ups of others
>I concur John, so be it.

>left wing logic
>dude fucking fat fucks saturating healthcare man, even though I've never even worked in my life I can feel how these fat fucks are robbing my cash and stuffing their mouths full
>BAN ASSAULT FOOD
>BAN ASSAULT ALCOHOL
>BAN ASSAULT CARS
>BAN ASSAULT BIKES
>BAN EVERYTHING AND FORCE EVERYONE TO LIVE LIKE CHOICELESS CATTLE SO MY TAX MONEY IS WELL SPENT ON THINGS THAT ACTUALLY MATTERS

>>11137536
The answer is to learn from Nauru.

>>11137829
just because you cook a chicken parmesan doesn't make it healthy.

>We have all sorts of health education in schools

oh nevermind, it's retarded.

>>11138026
>bean burritos are bad for you because someone else made them

>>11139283
Cheap bean burritos seem to mostly be tortilla with little filling, and obviously a bunch of white flour isn't healthy. A bean burrito can be healthy but cheap ones are going to have the wrong proportions.

>what could the government do?
It could fuck off then none of this would be an issue

>>11137536
Couple of quick ideas that make perfect sense
>actually teach Home Economics in school. Americans don't have that subject in their education system. Japanese kids do Home Ec from grade 5 and learn everything from making their own soup, how to cook rice properly and even scaling filleting and battering fish.
>Triple the amount of PE classes and make sports clubs a requirement to graduate all tiers of school and college.
>1 class a week of PE actually spent teaching health and fitness as a subject, not just kicking a ball around. How to balance diets, count calories carbs protien and vitamins etc.
>Mandatory Military service.
I mean if your govt is going to overspend on their military budget they may as well use it.

Jamie Oliver is a fat fuck, and socialist UK with it's bankrupt NHS is only like -2% less fat fucks than Americans.

>>11137560
Perfect troll. The evil, corrupt left has been BTFO once again.

>>11137560
Actually this was in the UK.

>>11137666
This.

The real response is to start a social movement of shaming fatties.

>>11137536
Cannibalism would solve a LOT of America's problems.

>>11139136
breakfast is the most useless meal of the day.oh I ate dinner and then didn't move for 8 hours? better eat again.

go for a week just eating protein shake for breakfast then a week eating nothing for breakfast. after that you won't feel hungry until 11 or 12. congrats, you just cut 40% off your caloric intake with minimal effort

>>11137536
Totalitarianism (fascism or communism, doesn't matter, both work for this).

Government can propagandise the need for healthy eating, healthy weight and exercise in schools. Fatties get shamed into improving. Fat enablers get shunned from society outright. Look at China's social credit system for how this could be accomplished.

Force, if it doesn't work it's because you aren't applying enough of it.

>>11139692
The only reason Britfags aren't majorly more obese than Burgers is because those Kingdumbs are the worst cooks on the planet

>>11139025
You fail to understand that as long as the nutrients are met, that is all that matters. Obviously will have to have alternatives for the allergic and whatnot but it will work if people are evolving to be lazier.

>>11139885
>Government can propagandise the need for healthy eating, healthy weight and exercise in schools. Fatties get shamed into improving. Fat enablers get shunned from society outright

This doesn't require China-tier totalitarianism. The US is perfectly capable of this level of propaganda

>>11139845
No way in hell am I eating a nigger

>>11139898
That's fair, there will also be plenty of whites and Mexicans to eat.

>>11137842
This.

Deny healthcare to anyone under 55 with a bmi >35, barring factors like hypothyroidism (tx will fix their bmi), a leg amputation, etc.

also do this for chronic smokers, severe alcoholics, and IV drug users

also noncompliant type 2 diabetics

the specifics of the criteria can be worked out later based on real data

>>11139893
>The US is perfectly capable of this level of propaganda
Your media is capable of doing so, your media is neither controlled nor works for the benefit of the US though.

>>11139892
>as the nutrients are met, that is all that matters

Actually, the only thing that matters is my freedom from commies like you.

>>11137536
Treat sugar like Tobacco.
The full nine yards, including PSA's

>>11140019
Thank you based shareholder of companies that would rather use poisonous toxins.

>>11140035
Your reply is bad and makes no sense. What are you even saying? That they'll start using cyanide instead?

>>11137604
You to settle for an entitled fatty?

>>11137536
Don't have the government do anything. Just let the mentally and physically weak off themselves by thirty. Who cares.

>>11137536
>What can the government do to fix people from eating like shit and not getting exercise?

not very much. A core problem with american fatties is that everyone relies on cars for transport and therefore turn into amorphous blobs within a decade. Visit any european city (or NYC for that matter) and people walk 3 or 4 miles daily at a minimum, just to get to/from work or school. In the US, most people get ZERO exercise on a daily basis.

Poor and unintelligent americans might eat like shit but they also get no exercise. Don't blame it all on the food.

>>11139828
because that clearly worked out so well for us in the past 40+ years

>>11140099
Agreed about the exercise, but cars aren't really the issue. It's the switch to a sedentary lifestyle. I.e. people working on computers instead of working jobs that require moving around. People sitting at home watching netflix or playing with their phone toys instead of more active activities, that kinda thing.

>>11140250
Or you look at the south, where it's unbearable outside in the summer, and realize that walking to work won't work.

>>11140250
it's also the fact that if you have any kind of important job, it pretty much consumes your life. getting to/from your job, plus working, basically eats up the entire day for most professionals. if you live in a big metro area, 1.5 hr commute each way isn't uncommon.

you basically need to be in a sports league or have a gym membership and go 3-4x per week if you want to stay fit. daily work life and commute for most people isn't enough to maintain any level of fitness.

also it gets even harder if you add alcohol into the mix. tons of young professionals wind up getting fat and out of shape because of after work drinking.

>>11139241
I think you mean
>t. petulant fattie

>>11140284
>1.5 hr commute each way isn't uncommon.
commuters are retarded. just live closer in a smaller house. you aren't getting any use out of that extra suburban square footage

>>11140284
There's another huge irony I see:
People hate doing "work" like laundry, landscaping/mowing their yard, upkeep on their home, maintaining their car or bike, prep and cooking, etc. So they hire people to do that work for them, or they try to avoid it by using as many machines or pre-made ingredients as possible. Of course when you eliminate that work from your routine you're also burning far fewer calories. Then you end up being fat and out of shape so people pay MORE money to go to the gym and work out.

Why not do all that work yourself in the first place, and then you get more exercise without having to pay a cent for it? It seems bass-ackwards to try and avoid it, only to then have to pay to do more work to compensate. Very strange.

>>11137536
The government won't do anything. Who do you think is paying the government and the FDA to keep unhealthy shit on shelves? Sugar, HFCS, all of it is as addictive as crack and food companies put it in literally anything and everything.

>>11140294
Unaffordable in many locations.

>>11140294
>>11140305
my 20 minute commute can easily blow up into an hour and 10 minutes if there is an accident or bad traffic.

>Fresh and healthy foods are expensive
>Sugary and salty foods are cheap

>>11137618
curious, how do you feel about drugs?

Replace the opiates with stims and blockade food shipments to fat populations.

>>11137579
Honestly a bit of that sounds fucking great as a dessert.

>>11140299
a lot of "professionals" behave like that. It's all part of the dream of the American white-collar professional job - you live in a sanitized and comfortable home, drive a luxury german car, and work in a trendy office space, never having to do physical labor outside of a hobby like golf or tennis.

A generation or two ago they were called yuppies. I find it shocking how many high income people can literally not even screw in a light bulb or use a cordless drill. At least with the younger generations I think people are focusing a lot more on healthy eating and exercise. Look at gen x and boomer lawyers, doctors, etc etc, they're all lardasses.

>>11137937
>the problem with obesity is the sheer volume
Nice

>>11140305
don't work in Manhattan or SF - problem solved

you are just making excuses

>>11140438
It's more than that, wuur being hyperbolic.

>>11140388
>At least with the younger generations I think people are focusing a lot more on healthy eating and exercise.

Agreed about that part, but in my experience the younger generations are even more useless than yuppies when it comes to using tools or "doing things".

I hired a Mech E student as an intern for my business a couple years ago. The dude had never in his life used a screwdriver or a hammer. He was mentally shocked when he learned that the way one makes lemonade is to juice lemons and then add water and sugar. Not joking.

I knew a few doctors when I was growing up. I guess you'd call them boomers. None of them were overweight, but they certainly weren't in shape. Part of that makes at least a little sense though: I learned from talking to them that one of the main reasons why doctors and dentists avoid "physical" work is because if they get dirty or have a minor injury (common with many outdoor activities) that looks bad in front of their patients. Consequently they tend towards "safe" activities like golf or fishing. One of them explained to me that he really enjoys hunting and outdoorsy stuff but had to be super careful doing it because if he showed up with a scrape or bruise from being outside then patients would freak out.

As a sort-of-related side note, I also knew a lawyer growing up who hated the idea of wasting money on expensive clothes, paying someone to do his yard work for him or to fix his car, etc. For that matter, he hated the idea of expensive cars. But his profession basically forced him to pay for those things because no customer wants to hire a lawyer with mechanic's hands, a cheap suit, and who drives a cheap used car.

>>11140250
My job is to literally lift up pieces of metal weighing in varieties from 1 pound to a hundred pounds and physically moving them to another piece of metal for them to fabricated for construction. I do this for ten hours a day 5 days a week, I'm still fat because I eat like shit and eat a lot. Most people in the Midwest and South work the same kinda work I do.

>>11140290
>if u don't want le epic soycuck 2 restrict ur diet ur fat
Better get working on taking away my food, bugman, because it ain't going to take away itself.

>>11137536
You have to teach and influence them when they are young. You can't do much with the adults, just disregard anything they say and let them die off.

>>11140527
Oh im not too concerned, death by one of the many obesity induced conditions will get you long before that.

>>11140558
That's fine, I'm /fit/ though. I'm not too sure how not wanting a cuck to tax food you buy is related to being overweight but as long as you fuck off and mind your business, all is right.

>>11140469
Engineers who can't use tools are the worst.

You are right about the doctor thing, that's especially true with surgeons. They don't want to do anything that could harm their hands or motor skills. I knew a surgeon who wouldn't do any kind of work at home with knives or tools just because he didn't want to accidentally fuck up his fingers and not be able to work.

I'm not fat because of what I eat. I'm fat because of what I drink. Which is beer mostly. I don't eat very much at all or consume soda. Maybe 500-600 cal a day worth of food.

>>11140561
Removing subsidies, is LESS government intervention, free market and all that.

>>11140599
That's a man

>>11137560
It's socialised here in the UK and we're even fatter than americans

>>11140599
>Engineers who can't use tools are the worst.
Agreed.

>>You are right about the doctor thing, that's especially true with surgeons. They don't want to do anything that could harm their hands or motor skills.
Yep. What's funny is that there are a lot of other people who also need their hands to earn a living, yet the very act of their job could be called risky. Meat cutters, chefs, mechanics, welders, pipefitters, various trades, etc. Hell, I'd be screwed if I lost the use of my hands and yet every day I'm using knives, saws, grinders, and all sorts of other machinery that could easily maim me if used improperly. It's rather different when your work and the risk are one and the same. That's what insurance is for, I suppose.

>>11137536
Another thread, baited by /pol/.
Don't feed the trolls y'all.

I don't really understand politics. Not throwing free money at corporations is authoritarian?

>>11137727
>Obesity AND overweight rates
It's a combination of the two. ~30% of adults at a healthy weight sounds about right for the US

>>11142337
Politics is all of your distant relatives that you avoid at gatherings because they're clearly either insane or assholes ending up in charge of everything because no one wants to interact with them long enough to beat them. It can only be improved by relentless, thankless grind, and every time you convince one person to shut the fuck up, their kid rolls in to take their place.

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>>11137560
americans aren't stupid enough to measure their weight in rocks

>>11137573
Fuck you dude if my dog wants to be fat he can't be you sound like a bigot.

>>11139998
Thanks for being relevant to OP's solution fatty. We all know why you sway from the healthy recommended daily calorie intake. You're just a fatty. A fat fatty. A nobody but most importantly, a fat fatty.

>>11137604
This really is the best way to look at it. A significant portion of the population has decided to no longer compete against you. Use it to your advantage.

>>11139245
>ending subsidies is an authoritarian measure
>the only way for the government to not interfere in my diet is for it to subsidize certain foods

>>11143041
Your the first person to realize that in this thread.

The same people that want a small government and decry any kind of regulation, would be the first to lose their shit if subsidies are ever cut.

Can you imagine Jim Bob's face when he goes to the market and realizes a pound of ground beef is $20 or a gallon of milk is $14. The days of eating cheesy-bacon-tater-grits would end

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>>11143056
>How does the government force people to eat healthier?
>End corn subsidies which will raise the price of corn, beef, milk and gas, making the average poor person even poorer while simultaneously destroying the agricultural industry
This is why leftists aren't allowed in economics and had to create "queer studies" in order to hand out degrees to their drones.

Small government means not encroaching upon the rights of citizens and having minimal regulations. It does not advocate wild west style economic anarchy you dimwit. You don't even understand the other side's position well enough to explain it correctly. Classic.
>They want less regulations
>Haha idiots! Don't they know how awful it would be if there were ZERO regulations?

>>11138329
this is already the truth though

I have zero interest in solving our obesity crisis. I don't care about "fixing" fat people I want the government to supply universal healthcare, I want them to display on labels what goes into food, but both of those are necessary evils so I can live in comfort with maximum choice.

>make personal automotive vehicles illegal
>they kill like 1000x more people than guns so there's plenty of ground to illegalize it
>make everyone walk to train stations
>500 lb hippos realize what they've done to themselves and hauling 3 human's worth of lard on their guts and thighs might not be the best thing to do
>everyone gets thin
Aka the japanese model.

>>11145272
I think if they did that they'd probably have to do it like the bans on certain types of guns, where all pre-existing stuff gets grandfathered in (since it'd be hard to just force everyone to turn in their cars they paid for) so it'd be decades before you really saw a legitimate reduction of cars on the road.

I don't think there'd really be any chance of pushing such a thing through anyway, even leaving aside the fact that most of the population would hate it and more importantly all the big rich car companies with their money and lots of employees would never allow it.

Personally I would love to see public transit that isn't complete shit but I don't think it's all that likely.

>>11145272
Vehicles aren't illegal in Japan, it's just that they are forced to build smaller and more densely packed cities because of mountains and hills, making automobiles kinda useless for city travel. Burgers on the other hand had a lot of land, so they got memed into building their cities around cars.

In other words, you don't need to ban vehicles. All the government needs to do is reduce the width of in-city roads by a certain amount every year. The only way to change people's habit is by introducing a series of genuine inconveniences.

>>11140238
It certainly wasn't as bad as it is today.

>>11145272
Americans weren’t willing to raise taxes to pay for healthcare so cancer patients don’t have to end up homeless. They DEFINITELY won’t raise taxes for choo-choo trains.

>>11137618
The rest of your post is stupid, but the part about got officials not being fat is definitely spot on. Why would someone listen to someone telling them to lose weight if that person themselves is obese?

OP and others like him make for a good argument against universal suffrage. No wonder shit is so fucked up these days when idots like them can influence law.

It would be fun if voting and social services like welfare were taken away from people for being fat. You can apply for government assistance for meal planning and exercise but if you can't take care of yourself, why should you be allowed to have a say in anything else? The asspain would be extraordinary.

>>11137864
>Then perhaps the solution lies in raising more people out of poverty
Our government has been trying this for about a half-century now, and has only led to more people being in poverty. Poverty is also not the reason why people are fat.

>>11137579
>2500 calories
If I eat a 900-calorie meal I feel like vomiting, imagine eating this much for breakfast.

>>11137536
Give tax credits based on how close to "healthy" your weight is.

>>11148095
Oh and you can expand this further by giving extra child benefits for how close to "healthy" weight your children are.