/ck/ - Food & Cooking

the best anxiolytic is propranolol, xanax and other shit is highly addictive and fucks with your mood

>I have anxiety
>Better take this pill I'll never be able to stop taking due to it's addictiveness so I can stop it
Famous last words

>>11116717
theres a lot of meds that let you avoid anxiety. Fact.

>>11116702
If such a thing existed then there would be no pharmaceutical industry.
Pull yourself together you fucking snowflake.

>>11116736
>Pull yourself together you fucking snowflake
If such a thing were possible then there would be no pharmaceutical industry.

>>11116738
roasted

>>11116736
Then maybe the question should have been : what is the strongest Natural Anxiolytic ?

Are you going to say that no food has anxiolytic properties? Pull yourself together you fucking snowflake.

>>11116738
btfo
>>11116756
alcohol

>>11116714
propranolol has serious metabolic and cardiovascular implications and is not for use as a general purpose anxiolytic

try CBD oil OP

Stop eating garbage and eat more fiber

Chamomile, kava, passion flower, ashwagandha

>>11116767
Yeah propranolol absolutely fucking wrecked my metabolism, gained like 50 lbs in 6 months

>>11116738
start lifting, drink lots of water, eat good food and jerk off 3-4x weekly max.

Watch your """"""""""""""""""""social anxiety"""""""""""""""""""" fucking disappear

>>11116779
You dont take it everyday you schmuck. I take prop rarely and lift. No problems.

>>11116781
I am not talking about social anxiety, but just anxiety, the one that need medication after a trauma. Don't just assume people are as weak as you and are scared over someone opinions.

avoid Paxil like the plague, bros.
made me a fat limp-dick

>>11116797
>all this projection and assumption

you are beyond irredeemably stupid

Why is it so fashionable to feign mental illness these days? Is it just attention whoring?

>>11116813
White people suck.

>>11116812
You need to understand the meaning of projection, I perfectly summarized your views on the matter.

>>11116821
you need a brain to get a mental illness

>>11116822
haha not even kinda. stop being so concerned with your bad fee fees and fix your life

>>11116724
...that are addictive

>>11116842
>OP : hey how do we do this ?
>You : don't do this, do that instead
kys you are a waste of time and space

>>11116702
meditation

>>11116854
where to start with this for a n00b?

>>11116865
turn off computer
>>11116854
I was asking for food since we are in /ck/, should I have looked for anything else I would have gone in /qa/ or /adv/

>>11116873
with the right eyes, a .45 cartridge looks like a Hersheys kiss

>>11116702
Cannabis oil, lavender, alcohol, your mom's clam sauce

>>11116873
>Entertaining meditation as a means to treat your mental illness and not lifting, eating clean and drinking water

you won't survive the winter

>>11116702
>Using food as a substitute for benzos
>>11116714
>Using blood pressure medication as a substitute for benzos
What kind of retardation is going on over here?

>>11116912
>What kind of retardation is going on over here?
medical knowledge, your adrenaline receptors also contribute to anxiety/stress

>>11116852
propranolol isnt one of them ;)

>>11116827
so most white people are have perfect mental health ;)

>>11116900
yeah, the midterms are coming and republicucks wont survive

>>11116919
I'm not American. Why are the midterms important?
It's not like they can replace the Prez after 2 years, right?

>>11116702
>Do you know any good natural alternative to Xanax in food to avoid anxiety crisis and panic attack.
Good sleep is a help for your type. Little known psych fact, those with anxiety and panic attacks will score on the depression questionnaire, and taking an SSRI daily. It's linked like that. Treat the source of the problem, depression, not just the symptoms of panic and anxiety. Less worry about addiction, less anticipation of the next attack, less sedation, and pretty much win-win. See a doctor for depression first. In the meantime, sleep well, and quit extra caffeine, smoking, and any alcohol which is part of the depression cycle. There are meds for sleep, if that's the source of the depression (not getting recuperative sleep, not staying asleep).

Tryptophan foods like turkey are relaxing. Some ADD parents do nothing more than drug their children with turkey sandwiches at lunch to be chill in the afternoon. There are meds for calm and sleep like camomile tea, valerian root, passion flower and of course melatonin.

>>11116921
google impeachment

>>11116935
>Tryptophan foods like turkey are relaxing
thats pretty dubious it's not like you can overload neurons with substrates and force them to throw out serotonin

>>11116912
Blood pressure meds are routinely used in psychiatry. Clonidine for hyperactivity, propanolol for anxiety, prazosin for nightmares etc.

>>11116935
I used to stuff my sisters little shits with KFC to shut them up. Worked great. To her credit she actually fed them healthy so it was an occasional treat for them and sluggish stuffed kids are easier to watch.

>>11116918
>your adrenaline receptors also contribute to anxiety/stress
>>11116965
>Blood pressure meds are routinely used in psychiatry
Yeah, no shit, the point is inderal isn't going to make you feel anything close to a benzodiazepine high. I took inderal back in high school for a while for essential tremor (shaky hands where they rule out all other neurological causes) and it doesn't feel anything like a benzo. You don't really feel anything at all from it except sometimes you notice the orthostatic hypotension when you're getting up where your vision blacks out and your body gives out on you a bit.
It's night and day, drugs like xanax will put you on your ass and make you feel great, dietary solutions or beta blockers will give you not even a tiny fraction of that feeling.

>>11117299
duh, but xanax is addictive and seriously affects your overall performance. Propranolol is pretty mellow. Benzos are always bad news, people who get into them rarely get out

Sage and St. John's Wort can help a lot. But extended use can lead to depression, so you have to manage usage.

They also come in tablet forms sometimes.

>>11117389
sage definitely helps this thread lmao

>>11116702
My wife used to take xanax all the time, She uses Lemon Balm now.

For very bad anxiety she uses etizolam (an analogue of benzodiazepines with almost identical effects and duration as xanax).

Also l theanine or however it's spelled sorta helps with anxiety.


kratom also helps with anxiety but i don't know anyone who's tried it, Just from what I read i hear that

>>11116893
>your mom's clam sauce


literally nothing better

>>11116702
Seriously, Kava kava root.

>>11116702
Theanine in green tea

>>11118199
Kava is basically just a weak benzo (works in similar ways pharmacology-wise). You can get it at a lot of supermarkets in that Yogi Tea brand tea, the kind labeled "stress relief." Really though none of this crap will make you feel anywhere close to as good as an actual benzo. If you need something that'll mellow you out and isn't going to kill you through withdrawals, you might as well just smoke weed for that.

>>11118308
Freshly grated kava root is legit if u live in an area where you can get it. I swear by the stuff. You can also get it through mail order from Hawaii. Dried kava is readily available. I don't buy pre mixed teas. I buy the kava root only and make chai lattes with it. I make a huge batch. I let it sit overnight, then fridge it. Works very well and it's legal. I like pot but I get piss tested on the regular and honestly I only use it recreationally. I don't want it everyday. Kava has worked well for me, along with damiana teas and tincture

>>11118328
>I get piss tested on the regular
Are you on parole or something?

>>11116702
Hey there!
Are you anxious?
Try dipping your balls in honey!
Will it fix your anxiety?
No!
But you'll have your balls in honey!

>>11118354
No, I work in the medical field in Texas. One of the worst states when it comes to marijuana

I'm too much of a whimp to take control of my life so I will blame my short comings on something outside of my control and then get addicted to something on par or worse than heroin to feel better but it's okay because it comes from a doctor

>>11116702
reminder that "natural" is a meaningless marketing term and does not suggest anything when it comes to human health

>>11116702
>Do you know any good natural alternative to Xanax in food to avoid anxiety crisis and panic attack.
beer?

>>11116762
alcohol is a depressant and can cause anxiety to spiral even further out of control tho

>>11118401
Lies

>>11118365
>medical field
>constantly tested for marijuana
Literally why? What are they worried about? "Oh shit, he tested positive for weed, he's gonna endanger the entire pharmaceutical industry by eating insane amounts of flamin' hot cheetos"?

>>11116702
Exercise is natural and helps

>>11118445
Pretty much. Texas is pretty much zero tolerance within our legislature even though most of the people here use marijuana and/or want it legalized.

>>11118328
>piss tested on the regular
>apparently still smokes it
What's your secret to cheating the test?

First of all, why would you ever want to stop taking Xanax? Secondly, if you have general anxiety disorder, you are fucked anyway. GAD is something that younger people are getting because they are poisoning us so we get stuck taking SSRIs and benzos forever. Like I said, if you already have GAD you're fucked, there is no cure and they never want to find one. Lastly, you can just drink everyday instead if you like. Both benzos and alcohol do the same thing which is suppressing the CNS. By 2050 everyone will be diagnosed with an anxiety disorder anyway. Also benzos guarantee Alzheimer's after 6 months of use so you're on borrowed time anyway. Don't worry about alternatives and just live your life on drugs and alcohol.

Chamomille, pretty meh.
I heard Kava leafs are supposed to be as powerful as coffee but depressants.
DESU What I find the most effective is eating nothing at all.

>>11118502
Wife's son pee pee

>>11118514
>there is no cure to a made up disease
Wow

>>11116781
Wow. You should get published for this ground-breaking theory. I bet no one has ever conducted a clinical study on the effects of exercise or diet on anxiety. You must be a real genius.

>>11116781
Exercise helps, it doesn't get rid of the problem but a lot of anxiety is just built up energy that never gets released because people don't leave their couches.

>>11118564
>made up disease
Just so I can get a gauge, do believe any mental illnesses exist?

>Prescribed clonazepam by doctor
>Take for 1.5 years
>Work doesn't like it
>Stop or lose job
>Stop
>Replace with buspar
>Not the same
>Fml

>>11116702

chamomile, kava.

>>11118633
Been on Clonazepam for 10 years. My brain is so fucked. It's a relief knowing exactly how I'm going to die though. No need for trying to preserve myself because it won't matter. Doctors started fucking with my brain at an early age.

On Zoloft here for the last few weeks. Man, does it fuck you up (in the bad kind of way).

First psych appointment tomorrow AM. Probably need some Xanax and to be switched to something else.

Stress kills. Literally.

>>11118649
Zoloft turned me into a sociopath. It was really weird. Probably why kids are shooting up schools.

>>11118606
He's not wrong, generalized anxiety disorder isn't an actual disease of the brain, it's diagnosed entirely on the basis of a psychiatrist deciding you meet enough of these subjectively assessed checkbox items:
>A. Excessive anxiety and worry (apprehensive expectation), occurring more days than not for at least 6 months, about a number of events or activities (such as work or school performance).
>B. The individual finds it difficult to control the worry.
>C. The anxiety and worry are associated with three (or more) of the following six symptoms (with at least some symptoms having been present for more days than not for the past 6 months):
>Note: Only one item is required in children.
>1. Restlessness or feeling keyed up or on edge.
>2. Being easily fatigued.
>3. Difficulty concentrating or mind going blank.
>4. Irritability.
>5. Muscle tension.
>6. Sleep disturbance (difficulty falling or staying asleep, or restless, unsatisfying sleep).
>D. The anxiety, worry, or physical symptoms cause clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.
>E. The disturbance is not attributable to the physiological effects of a substance (e.g., a drug of abuse, a medication) or another medical condition (e.g., hyperthyroidism).
>F. The disturbance is not better explained by another mental disorder (e.g., anxiety or worry about having panic attacks in panic disorder, negative evaluation in social anxiety disorder [social phobia], contamination or other obsessions in obsessive-compulsive disorder, separation from attachment figures in separation anxiety disorder, reminders of traumatic events in posttraumatic stress disorder, gaining weight in anorexia nervosa, physical complaints in somatic symptom disorder, perceived appearance flaws in body dysmorphic disorder, having a serious illness in illness anxiety disorder, or the content of delusional beliefs in schizophrenia or delusional disorder).

>>11118689
Makes sense, it was weird for me though. For the first 18 years of my life I had never had any anxiety or panic attacks, and then one day it hit me and never left. Weird shit.

>>11118606
Anxiety is the new ADHD where everyone is getting over prescribed for feeling bad emotions some times. It's not on the same tier as schizophrenia or other actual mental disorders

>>11118789
I definitely believe this, my issue is I have no idea where the anxiety stems from, therefore I can't tackle the problem at it's source. It just fucking showed up out of nowhere and hasn't left for over a decade. Quite irritating.

Lemon balm and skullcap

>>11118722
You can do all sorts of crazy shit to your body through mental activity alone e.g. raising your body temperature or stressing yourself out enough to have an epileptic seizure. It doesn't necessarily mean there's anything wrong with your brain. And in fact Axis III of the DSM used for psychiatric diagnosis is specifically there to rule out physical problems like neurological disease, meaning if you actually had a brain problem that could be detected you would be seeing a neurologist, not a psychiatrist.

>>11116852
Youre saying the thing that saves you from a life you can barely live is also something that you will eventually never be able to stop taking without having to live a life you hate again?
Whats the downside here?

>>11118815
Replace benzos with heroin or any other opiate and listen to yourself

>>11118804
Ever had your blood examined for any possible vitamin and overall micronutrient deficiencies? Gut bacteria composition? Possibly something in your diet that could be affecting you?

>>11118815
The problem with benzos is they completely destroy your brain after only short term use. I think they said that 6 months of of benzo use raises your chance of getting Alzheimer's and dementia by 50% long term. Everybody I know that takes them has no sign of getting off of them. When we boomers get older, we are going to be fucking zombies. Feel free to put us down at that point zoomers. Although you probably will anyway because you are godless creatures.

>>11118830
As a matter of fact that was never brought up by any of my doctor's. That's a really good idea.

>>11118836
Stuff like B Vitamins and Vitamin D especially can affect anxiety, just to name a few. Vitamin D deficiencies are increasingly widespread. Vitamin and nutrient levels are definitely worth looking into

>>11118822
Im not sure that comparing drugs with a long term benefit with drugs that dont have that clear long term benefit and dont even do the same thing is logically sound. Can you expound on this?
>>11118832
Youre saying it would be better for you to be a paranoid or stressed out wreck incapable of living a life you want to live because then you wont have a chance of getting dementia when youre older?

I dont see anything wrong with culling the elderly in any case. If a society is struggling it is the older members that should be removed first. Though I am a millennial so maybe im just parroting someone elses agenda, unsure.

>>11118722
I hate to be that guy, but you might have been molested as a child. Children often repress memories that have a tendency to come out around young adulthood. Also coincidentally, this is the age when many people develop their anxiety disorders or severe depression.

>>11116813
>feign mental illness
how do you know OP is feigning it?


OP, L-theanine works pretty well

>>11116852
SSRI's aren't addictive and are a first-line medication for GAD

I use steel reserve to cure anxiety

>>11118855
Don't get me wrong I'm all in on benzos and SSRIs it made it possible to live my life normally. I'm just stating the facts of what these drugs do and the risks.
>>11118860
I dont know, maybe, but i sure as hell don't know when that would have happened.
>>11118872
>He doesn't practice the constant loop of drinking to reduce anxiety and taking benzos in the morning to cull the hangover induced anxiety.

>>11118860
>Thinking you can infer anything at all from someone saying they began having anxiety problems.
You're completely retarded:
>According to large population-based surveys, up to 33.7% of the population are affected by an anxiety disorder during their lifetime.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4610617/
You might as well claim someone might have esophageal cancer because they told you about their upset stomach.

>>11118855
>benzos have long term benefits
Its honestly crazy how pharmaceutical marketing is allowed to brainwash people into thinking like this

>>11118832
Yes, life expectancy is already starting to decline now that the generations who grew up eating processed crap in front of screen their who life are getting old, the silent generation will be the longest lived generation is human history, contrary to what delusional technology fetishists will have you believe, people may live longer on paper, but they are increasingly being kept alive by pills, surgeries, and their brains have deteriorated to such an extent they can no longer be considered conscious beings. Asians will probably be the longest lived (with the exception of the chinese due to extreme pollution and vegetable oil based diet) people in the future, while western populations have collapsing health and life expectancy similar to the former soviet union

>>11118880
I'm no doctor obviously, but anxiety is never without a cause. Even if its buried deep in a persons subconscious, there is a reason for it.

>>11118887
I think he means it's better to live a shorter higher quality of life, rather than a long shitty one.

>>11118860
Maybe anxiety pops up in early adult hood since you're transitioning into taking on more responsibilities

>>11118887
yeah basically this >>11118895
Im not saying it has no downsides but I think being able to live your life without some kind if crippling mental issue for 30-40 years is a pretty huge long term benefit.
My father has been on Paxil since he was 17 and he just turned 52 a month ago. Now is he a healthy man? No. But at least he can get out of bed in the morning. The alternative is worse.

>>11116714
>>11116702

first line therapy for generalized anxiety disorder is an SSRI. if you're looking for as needed substitute for benzos for acute episodes, hydroxyzine can be used for anxiety, but i don't recommend long term use of that either especially for the elderly. probably better than benzos though. food/natural substitutes? i'm not so sure. most of the time though, a natural substitute only works because it has chemical entities in it that act in similar fashion so what's the difference

>>11118908
Yea but that type of thinking can lead to move issues. I want eat whatever I want today and then you get fat to be simple. Now you need to deal with emotional issues and being fat

>>11118936
I dont think hunger and mental issues can be compared. If the alternative to not being on some kind of drug means you die, should they not do the drug because they will be dependent on it?

Should type 1 diabetics not take insulin? Its a similar comparison you are making. Of course there are downsides but if the upside is you dont blow your brains out I think being addicted to that solution is a good enough positive to warrant taking the drug.

If there where another way, then I would argue for it, but real mental illness needs real solutions. Its sad that people profit off of the illness of others to an excessive degree but its the world we live in.

>>11116702
eat healthier
take multivitamins
wake up early
do cardio everyday for 30mins

>>11118946
I've heard that the bacteria in your gut actually influence your mood, not sure if that's pseudoscience bullshit or not though

>>11118955
Well if where talking about seasonal blues or having a bad day there are plenty of things that can help from exercise to exposure to sunlight but I dont think gut bacteria can cure clinical depression, for example.

>>11116702
yes. avoid gluten and dairy. exercise moderately. sleep at reasonable hours. avoid electronic devices as much as possible.

but you prbably wont follow that real advice so just take phenibut you pussy.

if you want to truly understand your issues look into GABA/glutamate balance along with other chemicals like dopamine, serotonin, epinephrine, cortisol, etc. What you will find in your research is there are many chemicals that can help you temporarily but ultimately the only thing that will ultimately help is forming good habits and most importantly accepting jesus.

>>11118946
I feel you and it's more nuanced and good for your dad managing himself but my point being a solid 85% of the people I know are on anxiety meds when they shouldn't or are using it to cope from bad decisions (bad diet or overdoing drug use). I'm not a total straight edge but my degenerate days are over.

My main issue is that people's attitude turns into that their issues are no longer in their control and they use meds instead of solving their main problems that are giving them the mental distresses.
Tbh Ive had some Xanax on the side id use for important situations to avoid getting nervous and now that I'm out I don't want to get a script or deal with other druggies. Might be hypocritical but now I don't have an easy out to be calm and relelaxed in stressful settings like interviews

>>11116919
Q predicted this post.

>>11118968
I think throwing your life away is fine. I see no issue with someone taking drugs until they become a different person so long as it doesnt hurt others that dont want to be hurt.

It is unfortunate though, that many of these people do not do it willingly or with any real understanding of the drugs they take.
Informed self destruction is fine but I do think ignorant self destruction is something of a problem.

Though the practical man in me wants to say that its their own fault for being un-educated and such but I know its just not that simple and often out of their control even with an understanding of things. Soldiers getting hooked on painkillers due to over-subscribed drugs they had to use during wartime, being one example.

>>11118917
Got any natural substitute ideas for someone who wants to break a pint a day vodka habit w/o withdrawal and not go to a medfag for librium? Don't have insurance or the cash for a medfag right now, why i'm asking.

>>11118991
Taper by counting your shots. Try to lower the amount of shots over the course of a few months and see how it goes. Make sure you have someone to check up on you, like a friend etc, just in case you fuck up and hit tremens.
Pretty much the only way if not using drugs.
t. also trying to get off the water

>>11118990
Yea you really hit the nail on the head about the educated part. People take these meds that have a strong effect on their emotions and they don't understand potential addiction or side effects. And then they don't know how to deal with the side effects in a healthy way

>>11118894
>anxiety is never without a cause
It depends on what you mean by "cause." And any reasonable definition for "cause" here will look extremely different from "you were molested as a child."

>>11118991
Kava and kratom might work for you

Onions to raise your test so you can stop being such a soyboy little fag

>>11118991
>>11119020
Kratom is pretty devilish. I messed with plenty of stuff and kratom was by far the most addicting. It creeps up on you and by the time you notice you're already experiencing physical withdraw symptoms

>>11116767
I was taking propanolol for arrhythmia, so in some cases it can be good for your heart.

>>11116702
I think the jury is still out but eat more fermented foods. Just eat well in general too, as far as food goes a lot of it is avoiding things than singular things that will help. Get some regular omega 3s though.

Eat fruit and veg, avoid excess sugars from other sources.

>>11116762
Don't listen to this guy. Alcohol can be a good short term solution but it can make things worse in the long term. I say this coming from a weekend of drinking trying to keep my anxiety under wraps.

>>11116702
foods high in potassium and magnesium could help. I know it helps some people but typically only if you're deficient in it. Still worth a try.

Honestly if youre suffering anxiety and panic attacks you should see a psych of some kind and work on Cognitive Behavioral Therapy. Anxiety can be brought on by things we don't even think of, and working on how you respond to stresses or feelings of anxiety can help your body relearn those flight or fight responses.

>>11116865
Go to a local meditation center, show up early, and they'll teach you. Make sure it's Zazen, don't do any of that guided meditation/music meditation. That stuff's fine, but not worth doing compared to the real thing.

>>11116702
apple seeds, peach pits and bitter almonds.

>>11118955
I work out hard for an hour everyday, that takes care of most of the anxiety problems I have in all honesty, but it's always lurking waiting to fuck up your day. That's why you keep benzos around.

>>11118991
As someone who is a full blown alcoholic, if you are only smashing a pint a day you are very much still in the realm of squashing this before it becomes a problem. Seriously consider this.

>>11118917
SSRIs are stupid non-working shit that prudish doctors prescribe when they don't want to give benzos.

>>11119680
This more or less. A good doctor doesn't want to give you benzos because once you prescribe someone those, there really is no coming back. SSRI's have done me well in the sense that they keep the low constant anxiety at bay, while the benzos are more for acute symptoms.

>>11118649
>First psych appointment tomorrow AM.
You've been on meds for weeks but never seen a psych? Patience grasshopper, you haven't really seen a drug expert yet til you start discussing side effects with a psychiatrist. You probably won't see the psychiatrist but monthly anyway. It isn't supposed to work fast.

>>11119711
The great thing about psychologists is they are generally just as fucked up as their patients, so they usually know what they're talking about.

>>11116702
coffee.

>>11118804
>>>11118789
>I definitely believe this, my issue is I have no idea where the anxiety stems from, therefore I can't tackle the problem at it's source. It just fucking showed up out of nowhere and hasn't left for over a decade. Quite irritating.
Onset was during puberty. It's the right age, 18. It's depression sourced. Tackle the depression and anxiety goes byebye.
>>11118832
>>>11118815
>The problem with benzos is they completely destroy your brain after only short term use. I think they said that 6 months of of benzo use raises your chance of getting Alzheimer's and dementia by 50% long term. Everybody I know that takes them has no sign of getting off of them. When we boomers get older, we are going to be fucking zombies. Feel free to put us down at that point zoomers. Although you probably will anyway because you are godless creatures.
I took 12 different meds as part of a synergistic pain cocktail from a cancer institute pain specialist. I took these medications for a solid 5 years. Clonazepam, neurontin, tegretol, baclofen, oxycontin, paxil, methadone, naproxen, oral lidocaine, fentanyl, to name JUST A FEW tried at once under expert care.
I never had withdrawal as I changed doses ramping up or down because I did it slowly as instructed by a smart doctor.

I had memory issues on the tegretol, as to be expected since it was filling up my synapses to reduce nerve communication, but I have zero long lasting issues now that I'm off of it. People who abuse meds and aren't on a working regimen, likely making poor decisions, suddenly quitting psych meds when they don't like them, starting them too quickly at a higher dose because they got it from a primary physician and not a specialist. I firmly believe popping pills for immediate relief of symptoms entrenches the mental dependence issue... that high and wearing off issue, peaks and valleys. You need to be proactive in your care, not this minimal is best mentality of being anti-drug.

>>11119083
>I was taking propanolol for arrhythmia, so in some cases it can be good for your heart.

it's *for* arrhythmia. That's all it is for.

OP try Ashwagandha also

>>11119720
>>>11119711
>The great thing about psychologists is they are generally just as fucked up as their patients, so they usually know what they're talking about.
I disagree they know their shit. It's considered an easyass degree, and they let you counsel people at the lowest levels of the degree path. Psychologists aren't actual medical doctors and can be in opposition to science and known medical treatment, so you can right away rule them out as being NOT highly intelligent and hard working successful students. And, yes, they were likely attracted to the profession from their own familial history and issues, ie messed up. It's just not that fascinating to new college students otherwise.

>>11119783
>bluh bluhb bluhr hhr hrlbhlrhl gibberish that my parents taught me
>psychology isn't interesting to students

there is so much daft retardation on this website these days.

>>11119799
Everybody when they first get to college wants to major in psychology until they realize that psychology degrees are basically useless unless you have a master's or better. That really thins out the herd.

>>11116813
My understanding of the history of mental illness, is that there have always been people who were clearly nuts. Things like paranoid schizophrenia, extreme depression and bipolar have always existed and been recognized.

However in recent times, these categories have been extended to include much more mild conditions. This was done for the sake of compassion: to give people useful labels for their mental state that helped them conceptualize and deal with their problems.

However it resulted in people creating into a false dichotomy between normal and mentally ill, and people with mild problems acting like they have some debilitating condition that no normal person could understand. Another aspect of this false dichotomy is that people characterize their problems as totally untreatable by lifestyle changes. E.g. someone sits at home and smokes weed all day, but instead of admitting this is the reason they are depressed, they say that this is the only way the can cope with their depression.

>>11119807
>... basically useless unless you have a master's or better. That really thins out the herd.
Want to know how I can tell you never went to university?

Magnesium functions as an axiolytic by way of both reducing the cardiovascular and musculature effects of stress (like cramping or palpitations) and by acting as an NMDA antagonist. Magnesium glycinate is the best form for anxiety, since it's less likely to cause gastrointestinal discomfort.

A strong tea made of fresh or whole-dried chamomile and Valeria can also be beneficial; the chamomile provides anti-inflammatory properties which can help with the physical side effects if stress and anxiety, while the valerian contains GABA(A) agonists (the same MOA as Xanax) as well as a probable anticonvulsant, and anticonvulsants typically also function as mood stabilizers.

>>11120074

Onega 3, particularly algal sourced DHA and EPA (to avoid mercury contamination in high doses,which you might get with stabdard fish oil) , can also help with both the physical effects of anxiety and the mental effects too.

So I guess tl;dr if you want to avoid supplementsn eat small oily fish low on the food chain (to avoid mercury), like sardines, for omega 3; dark chocolate and nuts like almonds for magnesium; have a strong cup of chamomile and valerian tea. You might also consider a spicy curry with plenty of turmeric and black pepper, for endorphins from the spice as well as the potential anxiolytic effect mediated by its anti-inflammatory properties.

In terms of supplements, I'd recommend ashwagandha taken twice daily at 250mg of KSM66, magnesium glycinate taken as directed, DHA and EPA supplement taken as directed, and a mix of chamomile and valerian tincture taken acutely during an anxiety episode. During a particularly bad anxiety episode, two doses of tylenol-free robitussin and half of a standard strength benadryl (these taken no more than once per week) can help blunt anxiety through a combination of anticholergenic action and NMDA antagonism/dissociation.

>>11120074
>>11120094

Oh and of course, l-theanine. Swap your coffre for green tea not just for health benefits, but but for the anxiolytic properties of l-theanine. You can also buy l-theanine ad a supplement, which is helpful for anxiety acutely.

>>11120094
>So I guess tl;dr if you want to avoid supplementsn eat small oily fish low on the food chain (to avoid mercury), like sardines, for omega 3; dark chocolate and nuts like almonds for magnesium; have a strong cup of chamomile and valerian tea.
sounds good, thanks anon

Kava kava.

>Lol just take beta blockers, OP.
Can't wait for OP to lose his shit when his heart rate drops near 40 bpm.

>>11118864
>SSRI's aren't addictive
Well they kind of are, they can create a physical dependency, which is why it's often recommended to taper when you stop them. It's not crazy withdrawals like benzos, but it can still cause brain zaps and mood whiplashes. That said, they can still help people a lot and work almost like magic in some cases.

>>11120289
Speaking from experience, prozac withdrawals are fucking awful and lasted for months. Constant brain fog, brain zaps, derealization/depersonalization, etc.

Came here to recommend ashwaghanda. I'm glad it has already been mentioned by a few people. Also therapy/counseling.

>>11120314
Well, I just hopped back on them a few days ago, with the intention of staying on them for about a year, I hope that the withdrawals won't be that bad.

>>11116702
>anxiety
Fake emotion. Literally a jewish meme to sucker dumb women.

>>11116821
Mutts aren't white

>>11120368
I don't recommend going back on them but when you do quit, definitely taper it off. Part of why my withdrawals were so severe was that I quit cold turkey. That was stupid. I hope you are getting therapy while you are on the drug and hope you feel better.

>>11118102
You should tell your wife to stop being a faggot.

Valerian root, skullcap, lavender, chamomile, a few others

>>11118804
Really obvious one here but is your life in order ?

>>11118815
>weakling has no problems being entirely dependant

>>11120476
>skullcap
This

>>11118991
You could probablt immediately cut that in half then slowly taper off. You might not even be at actual withdrawals stage yet.

>>11118917
>most of the time though, a natural substitute only works because it has chemical entities in it that act in similar fashion so what's the difference
Smaller dose, subtler action, lower risk of dependency (if any), fewer side effects (if any). Big difference.

>>11120495
Being Jewish helps ?

>>11120508
It's a plant called skull cap

>>11116781
This guy is unironically right

>>11116702
In all serious OP you prolly have a MTHFR gene mutation/ defect. It's very common. A Dr told me I should try this and it changed my life.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00822JNTC/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&linkCode=sl1&tag=dievsdis-20&linkId=cbc0e6fa796721863e54a3951e7f7334

>>11120469
Thanks anon. I don't like being on them but I probably made more progress since I started them a week ago than I did over the last 5 years trying to power through my issues by myself. Seems like it should be way too short for them to be acting already, but I don't know. Therapy should start next month. The plan is to not use them any longer than I have to. For now it just feels kind of strange being able to do simple things again and not feeling like dying all the time.

I had serious anxiety issues a few years back but in the end life style changes fixed it for me. I did have some medical aid in the form of buspar (I refused SSRI's and its not easy to get something like xanax from a good psychiatrist if you're not having serious panic attacks) and ritalin, but once I got my IRL shit unfucked I was functional without them. Also two years of therapy and a 3 month course of group therapy probably played a big role.

I still deal with anxiety, but anxiety is natural. The trick is being able to put conscious thoughts first and unconscious sensations second. Everyone feels things. You just need to become able to accept and deal with them in a way that benefits you.

>>11116702

Yeah, stop being a little bitch

>>11118962
Its one part of a huge equation that equals mental well-being. There's a lot you can do for yourself before relying on medication if you aren't already too far gone. That said I was medicated for a two year period because lifestyle changes were not enough to fix my immediate problems. Also if I'm being honest I was drinking heavily while getting it together, which both helped and hurt. If you're willing to sit with your problems you might have it even easier than me.

>>11116821
nigger "people" suck

Buspar, weed, alcohol, therapy and lifestyle changes will do it for you. In the space of two years I turned my life around and my anxiety transformed itself into tangible worries I could take real world action against.

>>11121631
Your therapist will give you silly common sense advice, but play along and believe it will work. Positive thinking goes a long way.

>>11117299
>benzo high
The purpose isn't, or shouldn't be, to give you a high but to help you out just enough that you can learn to handle it yourself better and lower your dosage over time.

Just be yourself OP, and just don't have anxiety or a panic attack lol

>>11116756
Kava kava is pretty powerful. OP should try that.

>>11120032
Do you know how many people get their psych degrees from community colleges and go into practice?

Not OP but related question
What's a natural way to increase appetite? I have panic attacks every day that lead to me passing out and I'm so scared all the time that even after a day without food looking at a delicious meal makes me feel sick.
>inb4 weed
Weeds increases anxiety and gives me bad drug flashbacks.

>>11116702
Yes, OP, I do. It's more effective than any pharmaceutical product.

1. Clean your room, bucko.
2. Exercise
3. Have some friends, enjoy mutual hobbies like board games.
4. Limit alcohol/drug intake, including weedlmao.
5. Go outside every nice day you can, get a tan.
6. Eat a variety of foods, including fruits and vegetables, avoid eating processed food for every other meal.

>>11123014
>associate degrees mattering
Lol

>>11116714
>have anxiety
>have diabetes
>can't even take beta blockers because they're known to cause low blood sugars

>>11118649
Wew I was on 150mg of Zoloft for 2 years. Felt like absolute shit. Ended up so numb I stopped talking to everyone.

Then the 2 months of brain zaps even after a very slow taper (-25mg every two weeks, then 25mg on/off for two weeks)

>>11116852
You're addictive~

>>11116702
CBD Oil

>>11116702
CBD oil or white vein kratom, (Red/Green Leaf is strong like opiates and very different from white leaf)

>>11123650
>valerian
Thanks, jp.

>>11116702
You should never under any circumstances be taking any form of SSRI, no exceptions. Antidepressants and anti-anxiety meds are absolute poison.

>>11116736
Not even remotely true, and you're a dumb fuckhead who hasn't looked into anything related to nutrition or pharmaceuticals.

>>11116756
Someone said Kava, that is addictive but works for some. Weed, alcohol and opiates are all effective too - but you don't want to use those sorts of things. I will suggest a few for you after I reply to these people.

>>11116772
Excellent post.

>>11116781
People can have anxiety from a lot of different things. What you suggested can help, but if someone was an alcoholic going through withdraws and mental panic nothing you suggested helps them at all. >>11116772 's suggestions all would.

>>11116852
Correct, and none should ever be taken. Ever. Under any circumstances. You do not ever need them, and they are brand new.

>>11116854
Can help, it depends on what the source/causes are for your anxiety. As OP said jack shit in the OP, its likely a troll thread.

>>11116912
If you dont think food (The manual intake method for everything that will heal you and keep you alive) can have, does have and has always had a direct impact on every aspect of your health, you are a product of the modern age designed to feed corporations your money in exchange for illness.

>>11116935
Decent post on all accounts, don't see a doctor for depression talk to someone and develop a support group. Medications will not help you in the long term and are a cheap easy way out from your real problems.

>>11117363
Yes all are always strictly negative for your identity and long term well being.

>>11118401
True

>>11118689
Yes, it is to make money

>>11118855
There are no long term benefits to any SSRIs, you have no brain stem and should die.

>>11118895
Those aren't the options for 99% of the people on SSRIs. They are tricked into thinking they are.

Continuing

>>11118966
What you mean is "Cut all grains and sugars, and incorporate more full fat less pasteurized dairy."

>>11119048
Only when raw and the benefits to onions are primarily digestive.

>>11119411
Yes alcohol is a short term solution.

>>11119470
Too many apple seeds and most fruit pits will destroy your kidneys, as they have high levels of arsenic. Do not eat cherry pits. Do not eat large amounts of apple seeds.

>>11119680
Neither should ever be ingested.

>>11119754
A very commonly known inciter for anxiety. Cut all stimulants if you have anxiousness issues.

>>11119766
You make the best argument for such medications uses, but the issue is that we aren't (I'm not anyway) talking about people with outstanding severe health problems. Im talking about base levels of heightened anxiety and depression. The OP was vague as fuck, and a plethora of people are on these medications which do destroy your identity and ability to think properly while you are on them. The issue is then that people on them will choose to just blindly remain on them as the problems in their lives causing these feelings increase. Alternatively, most vegans are deficient in proteins and fats, which has proven scientific correlation to mental disorders like anxiety and schizophrenia. Therefore, a diet change is better than a pill as it corrects the underlying issue. Doctors make less money if they do that, so they often choose not to. All health starts with nutrition.

>>11120074
I dont know about magnesium but yes, chamomile tea is great.

>>11120289
They are absolutely addictive and this has been proven. Your body can become so reliant on them that you will die if you stop taking them. This is a not debatable fact.

Basically OP I have pointed to the good advice for you in this thread and have little more to offer. Cheers. As I said to the cancer survivor, diet and nutrition is where everything begins and ends, barring outside physical harm and genetic defects.

>>11123650
If I asked you how to do an origami, would you tell me to use a 3D printer ? This is /ck/, not qa, not adv, not pol, not fit, get over it and move along if you have nothing interesting to say.

>>11116702
cbd oil, meditation, and flooding.
>inb4 what is flooding
look it up nigger

One time i took a xanax bar and i had a shot of vodka. Later when i came home i made a ham sandwich and watched roseanne.

I remember it was the best tasting ham sandeich i ever had and i slept like a fucking rock.

>>11125022
I thought xanax and alcohol was a fatal combination

beer

>>11125044
It can be, it definitely causes temporary memory problems.

I used to mix it with alcohol all the time, a lot of people with anxiety issues don't get by on just the pills after a while.

I had very bad anxiety in my young 20s, I've mostly outgrown it, I'll get a beer if I'm on edge.

stress = cortisol

Maquerel is a powerful anti-cortisol food it inhibits one of the precursor of cortisol (which is a hormone)
There are many other foods that does the same thing but maquerel is one of the highest content per gram of that cortisol killer.

>>11125081
Oh sorry it's Mackerel.

>>11125081
>maquerel
huh?

>>11116702
Eat 6 eggs ever breakfast

>>11116781
so many cucks trying to defend themselves when this is unironically the path.

stop making excuses for yourselves, you know what is good for you and what isnt.

>>11125081
google.com/search?&q=mackerel+cortisol

google.com/search?&q=mackerel+cortisol+national+library+of+medicine

I'm only getting brainlet quack medicine sites, do you have a source?

>xanax
addictive and bad for your memory
>phenibut
you cant take this every day, makes you depressed if you take it long enough
>theanine
works but not that strong and the effects last 1-2hrs
>kava
slightly reduces anxiety, slightly addictive to
>cbd
idk about this. though someone I know eats it and acts sleepy and weird
>alcohol, weed
you cant be drunk/high all the time and live a normal life
>non-ssri psyc meds
these barely work
>ssri's
you cant cum... many other side effects as well

basically life is hell

>>11118102
Where in the fuck do you buy Etizolam from?

>>11125248
Mackerel has a high count of Phosphatidylserine, which reduces cortisol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphatidylserine

>>11123650
>semi JBP post
>Encouraging any drug use at all and eating fruits
Eat only meat.

http://mikhailapeterson.com/2016/12/07/the-list/

Heres some anecdotal stuff from my own life.
Couldnt sleep so i helped myself with alcohol. After about a year i realized that that cant be healthy. Went to doc, doc prescribed zopiclone. Got addicted to that as well. Started mixing alc and zopiclone. FF 2 years realized that insomnia wasnt main problem anymore. Got anxiety on top of addicions. Docs gave me benzos to stop alc. Horrible spiral. Massive anxiety, more drinking. Long story short - got myself out of this meaa by using small doses
of zopiclone throughout the day until i stopped taking it at all. Zop is not exactly a benzo but works in the same way. Stopped drinking for almost a year, fell of the wagon but at least im no longer on zop/benzos. Tldr - small doses of sleeping pills can be used as anxiety meds and to ween off of actual benzos. Hope this helps

>>11127347
Went through something similar. I highly recommend avoiding alcohol to deal with insomnia or anxiety.

>>11118640
>>11118633
explain pls.

>>11125805
JP encourages use of antidepressants, retard.

>>11127384
Not him, but JP only recommends ADs as something to consider if the alternative is you fucking yourself over in ''hell''. After all, hierarchies are inevitable as exampled perfectly by lobsters, but they can disenchant the weak. The left is to protect the weak, but what isn't clear to me is when the left go too far, though equality of outcome would be a good example of the left going too far. The Gulag Archipelago was a great example of what happens when the left goes too far, and what hell really looks like, which is why we should try to understand the archetypes in the bible as pointed out by Carl Jung in his monstrous book, Aion. The bible is important because the atheist in the true sense are monsters because everybody is weak and pathetic and life is suffering, clean your room.

Sorry, I was having fun with that.

>>11127467
JP? AD?
jeneral practitioner? assistant doctor?

>>11116702
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>>11127467
Checked.
>>11127384
I was referring to recreational drugs such as marijuana, benzos, etc. Obviously he recommends SSRIs.
The only recreational drug that is ok in moderation according to him and his daughter is unflavored alcohols such as vodka, some whiskey and bourbon.

>>11125518
The dark net ma nigga. 1000mg is about 70 bucks

>>11127467
Wash your penis bucko

>>11116768
based

>>11123706
>Have a disease that makes me have perpetually high blood sugar
>Oh no i can’t take a drug that may lower my blood sugar

What?

>>11116717
I'm on meds for life because my brain is broken :(

>>11116768
A good poo will cheer anyone up

>>11116781
Bodybuilding supliments can cause psychosis in people with a pre disposion towards BPD SPD and sometimes anxiety is caused by these

>>11120570
Shit I went out and stole this old guys weird cap