/ck/ - Food & Cooking

The keto diet has zero long term studies on it. You will probably die earlier than that fat cow in the picture.

>>11086618
It has zero metabolic advantage. All you need to know
https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/83/5/1055/4649481

>>11086637
Oh so it's just a crash diet for people with no self control. Got it.

FFFFFFUCK OFF BACK TO >>>/FIT/ WITH THIS BULLSHIT YOU RETARDED NEANDERTHAL MEATHEADS

spoopy

>>11086657
Agreed, also anyone know when Rich Boy Hero 5 comes out?

i would post a pic of my ripped bod but i'm on /fit/

>>11086683
Make sure you don't post any useful information though, just the picture. Otherwise it won't fit the scheme.

>>11086598
Small peener

>>11086598
THICC
>>11086657
THICC POSTER

>>11086657
I wish I could strangle her and right before her death I would let go and let her live just to continue the process for several days until I finally feel like she is ready to die.

>>11086618
OP is not even a ketofag you fucking retard. You still eat carbs on keto because going completely carb free will kill you. Even bariatric doctors still give super morbidly obese people diets with some carbs on it.

>>11086741
>OP is not even a ketofag
Yeah right /fit/ fags have been raiding this board all day with their keto faggotry, this is just an extension of that.

>dude keto sucks why would anybody ever want to eat bacon, eggs, hamburgers, steak, and salad every day?????

>>11086598
His dick would be like a foot long if he wasn't obese?

>>11086598
What do carbohydrates have to do with that?
It's calories. You're fat because you ate too many calories.

>>11086618
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpub/article/PIIS2468-2667(18)30135-X/fulltext
>higher nortality rate is directly correlated with lower carb intake
Ketofags btfo

>>11086842
>dude yogurt, cheese, cream, and butter is fine but milk is bad because of the lactose

>>11086657
Silent Hero Journey Man is the greatest sequel of all time tbf

>>11086842
I don't think anyone's criticizing bacon or steaks. The problem is more that you're dumb enough to think this constitutes some sort of special trick you can play on your body to make yourself healthier than someone else who's eating more carbohydrates instead.

>>11086980
>CICO

>>11086637
Your brain runs on carbs and glucose.
>inb4 study that has zero quotations oublished by some nobody

>>11086657
Anyone else noticed that dumb bitches can't pick movies?

>>11086657
Remember when people picked out movies to watch for fun and nobody presumed such a basic act carried a social or political subtext?

>>11087201
fuck off fatty, you need so few carbs to run your brain that you can literally get them from vegetables

I have qt boi body not fat ugly body like every girl here. :3

>>11086598
god, i wish i would die faster, even after being 60 kg above my ideal weight for 5 years im stillalive

>>11086657
no bully boats

>>11087092
Tell me more about your slow metabolism.

>>11086842
>>yeah bro it literally and unironically makes zero sense to cut processed carbs and sugars out! ever heard that doctors first dietary measure for cancer patients is to immediately cut any sugars because cancer cells live off that shit?
>>bro why would i want to eat tons of low carb veggies like green leaf stuff and legumes and tons of nuts and some fruit and maybe meat and fish that doesnt sound natural at all man bro dude i want a pizza and a milkshake
>>dude braah you know that carbs are way cheaper because theyre the better food! its obvious!

>>11087230
most movies with female lead need to overpronounce that the lead is female

>>11086598
big nigga hittin dat t-pose

>>11087563
Big nibba hitting that tpose in heaven dawg

the big K got him

may he rest in piece

>>11087545
Huh?

>>11086637
>https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/83/5/1055/4649481

>> Design:Twenty adults [body mass index (in kg/m2): 34.4 ± 1.0] were randomly assigned to the KLC (60% of energy as fat, beginning with ≈5% of energy as carbohydrate) or NLC (30% of energy as fat; ≈40% of energy as carbohydrate) diet.

> 60% energy as fat, 5& carbs

That's not keto, mate.

I'm not even a keto-fag, but even I know, that keto is 80% fat, ~19-20% protein and <1% carbs.

>>11087639
A Keto diet is a diet which puts you into ketosis, it’s majority fat. It’s not zero carb

>>11087679
I've read, that if you go >1% carbs, it knocks you out of ketosis and that a 80:20 ratio is the optimum.

>>11087688
It doesn’t, you can get up to 10% carbs and still induce/maintain ketosis. The keto diet in the study is higher protein than most though

>>11087620
He's trying to mock people who mock ketogenic diets but it's not immediately obvious this is the case because his own position isn't very well supported even though he believes it's blatantly correct, and that combination gives his post the possibility of being read as a parody of people who *advocate* for ketogenic diets.
>>11087545
>first dietary measure for cancer patients is to immediately cut any sugars because cancer cells live off that shit
Calorie restriction definitely has potential benefits in cancer treatment. Ketogenic dieting is at best severely lacking in evidence for cancer benefits. If you try looking through what few studies they have they're mostly limited to A) mice and B) specific varieties of brain cancer and C) benefits that only appear in conjunction with more traditional cancer treating drugs. Yes, cancer cells subsist off glucose, but that's not the same thing as saying dietary sugar is the problem (also doesn't mean dietary sugar isn't a problem, but you'd be hard-pressed to find evidence where dietary sugar was associated with some health problem but obesity wasn't i.e. it might just be the case that obese people happen to also eat higher amounts of it and then all the problems associated with obesity will end up being associated with sugar because of obesity rather than because of a direct mechanism of its own).
Realistically, how low are you going to be able to get your blood sugar anyway? Even the most extreme keto advocate is still going to have nonzero blood sugar by virtue of being alive.

>>11087545
PS: If the ketogenic diet is being suppressed as a treatment for cancer because of greedy pharmaceutical companies or something, why is it universally or near universally accepted as beneficial for children with epilepsy? It seems to me that there's good evidence for its role in epilepsy treatment and lacking evidence for its role in cancer.

>>11086598
TRUTH

>>11087201
your brain runs on fat, you fucking fat ignorant fuck

Just eat normal and work out. That’s not hard.

>>11087872
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK22436/
>Brain. Glucose is virtually the sole fuel for the human brain, except during prolonged starvation. The brain lacks fuel stores and hence requires a continuous supply of glucose. It consumes about 120 g daily, which corresponds to an energy input of about 420 kcal (1760 kJ), accounting for some 60% of the utilization of glucose by the whole body in the resting state. Much of the energy, estimates suggest from 60% to 70%, is used to power transport mechanisms that maintain the Na+-K+ membrane potential required for the transmission of the nerve impulses. The brain must also synthesize neurotransmitters and their receptors to propagate nerve impulses. Overall, glucose metabolism remains unchanged during mental activity, although local increases are detected when a subject performs certain tasks.
>Glucose is transported into brain cells by the glucose transporter GLUT3. This transporter has a low value of KM for glucose (1.6 mM), which means that it is saturated under most conditions. Thus, the brain is usually provided with a constant supply of glucose. Noninvasive 13C nuclear magnetic resonance measurements have shown that the concentration of glucose in the brain is about 1 mM when the plasma level is 4.7 mM (84.7 mg/dl), a normal value. Glycolysis slows down when the glucose level approaches the KM value of hexokinase (~50 μM), the enzyme that traps glucose in the cell (Section 16.1.1). This danger point is reached when the plasma-glucose level drops below about 2.2 mM (39.6 mg/dl) and thus approaches the KM value of GLUT3.
>Fatty acids do not serve as fuel for the brain, because they are bound to albumin in plasma and so do not traverse the blood-brain barrier. In starvation, ketone bodies generated by the liver partly replace glucose as fuel for the brain.

>>11087901
I dont keto but i do exclude dietary sugar and carbohydrate
Eating lots of healthy good meat is sufficient for this glucose as it can freely be converted to glucose by your body when needed
Good protein is a superior source of most nutrients as it can be used to provide other nutrients than protein
Collagen in meats also accounts for most of the required nutrients from these foods
Dietary carbohydrate and sugar is also what drains your body of vitamins and minerals which results in a higher daily requirement which is why many people can live on meat and fat alone for decades without experiencing any vitamin or mineral deficiencies
I have no sourcing but this is all true from what i have tested on myself and seen in others. Stay hydrated, eat good meat, stop letting the money collecting industry that is scientific research control you and be a real scientist with yourself, try things out and understand your own body because quite frankly no scientific study is going to reflect your specific genetics most of the time. :^)

>>11087901
>ketone bodies
He's talking about ketones, silly
proven to be much more efficient and the production of them is directly linked to the metabolism of fat (aka running on fat), which is a good thing for everyone

>>11087923
>I have no sourcing
Yes, I believe you on that point.
>your specific genetics
Let me blow your mind here: Your genetics are almost identical to every other human being's genetics on the planet and it's possible to extrapolate useful information from samples of the human population that can be applied to everyone else with quantifiably predictable results.

>>11087925
I think you're confused. Let me help you out:
His post:
>your brain runs on fat
The response disputing that post:
>>11087901
>Glucose is virtually the sole fuel for the human brain

>>11087960

Give him a few more minutes. His body needs to produce the ketones his brain needs to process the information.

>>11086936
every fifty pounds over your nominal weight takes and inch of usable penis off the table.

>>11086715
You have serious problems and should seek out professional help.

>ketards still trying to shill for their pseudoscientific diet that is both immoral and low in essential nutrients

>>11088232
>a diet that includes everything has more deficiencies than one that excludes food

>>11088232

Jesus, it's like your image was made by Shadbase.

>>11088276
>you can go for a jog or smash your dick with a hammer
>wooow I'm going to be so much more healthy than someone who can't smash own dick with a hammer!

>>11088284
lol vegans are so weak they can't even take a dicksmash

Japan has a higher carbohydrate percentage of total food consumed than the US and is the least fat. America has the highest meat consumption in the world and is the most fat.

>>11088590
USA also consumes the most sugar. Eating rice with a balanced meal isn't as bad as drinking soda all day.

This is your body on Twizzlers.

>>11086598
sad nibba hours, this man cannot reach his penis
:(

>>11086741
>You still eat carbs on keto because going completely carb free will kill you.

>Tfw type 1 diabetic and for me ketosis means that I fucked up big time and my organs are on the verge of failure
>people want this feeling on purpose

>>11089489
>ketosis is the same for people without type 1 diabetes as it is with

>>11089489
Ketosis is a process that can cause ketoacidosis, which is what you're talking about.
People on the keto diet do not go into ketoacidosis.

>>11087049
there's no lactose in cheese

>>11087385
>doesn't even know what Cico means
>defend being educated by spouting more words you never understood

>>11089554
There's some. Much less than in milk, obviously. The harder the cheese the less there is.

>>11089554
young cheese has more lactose, aged cheese has less. fresh cheese has the most.

>>11087092
Believe in CICO or not, eating excess of like 2500 calories a day's still gonna take a massive shit on you soon enough.

>>11089631
pulling out an arbitrary number from your ass outs yourself as a CICOfag

>>11089557
I don't think you know what calories in calories out means if you think that post wasn't the appropriate response to your bullshit. Tell me more about your slow metabolism, anon.

>>11087784
Huh?

>>11087023
Still not a good representation of a true Ketogenic diet.

>>11089554
That was my point, although something like ricotta will have more lactose. But that people on the keto diet will say all that stuff made from milk is fine, while drinking cream instead of milk because milk is too high in carbs. It doesn't make sense to me.

Still eat carbs and my bmi is 22, ask me anything

>>11086657
>implying Boats 3:Revenge of the Planes wasn't the best movie of 1998
Smh

Evasion test

Keto fags are just as bad as vegan fags. Just let people live for fucks sake. Eat what you want and let others do the same. Why you guys have to get online and spew bullshit that you yourselves have read or heard elsewhere and have taken as some fucking gospel is so stupid. It's like religious pontificating but for food. It's so unattractive and ridiculous.

Think for yourself. Do what works for you, research if you want, choose your own path and fuck these faggot idiots that say they have the key to whatever. Because they don't... but YOU do

>>11087023
>High carb vs high protein.
>Nothing about high fat
Don't post shit you don't understand.

>>11086598
On a side note.. Why are our bodies so fucking stupid they would kill themselves by over storing fats? Why is there no fucking automatic limit? It just keeps storing and storing till it fucking kills itself. You'd expect there to be some point where it simply cannot store anymore, but there doesn't seem to be one.

>>11091407
>Why is there no fucking automatic limit?
Because organisms without an "automatic limit" have survived and reproduced. Evolution isn't trying to make your life pleasant, it's just an ongoing case of whatever works works and whatever doesn't doesn't. If not having this "limit" resulted in everyone dying before reproducing then maybe organisms with a "limit" would emerge and replace them. But if it's a "problem" that doesn't prevent new generations from being born then nature doesn't care about it.

>>11091424
Evolution is pretty stupid

>>11091424
You're writing that down as if the limitless option is the starting point, the normal state, while I'd say evolution would've had to implement the ability to keep storing fat endlessly in the first place. So it's not a matter of learning a limit, it has actively given us the ability to store unlimited amounts.

>asians eat diets that are >90% rice for centuries
>no problems with obesity
>OP can't stop eating donuts
>decides that it must be the "carbs" making him fat
Widespread obesity is a modern disease caused by the easy availability of cheap processed food that is very calorie dense. Most of it is carb heavy, sure, but that doesn't mean that the carbs themselves are the problem. If they were, it would have been apparent a long time ago because there have been hundreds of civilizations since the invention of agriculture whose staple foods were carbs and none of them were full of obese people.

>>11091454
That's not how it works, son. That makes about as much sense as saying, "Why doesn't fire stop burning? Why does it just keep consuming fuel endlessly as long as more fuel is added? Why isn't there a limit?"

At some point, an organism developed a mechanism for storing energy in fat. That's the starting point, excess energy-->fat. Any limit to the mechanism would have to have developed later and as ha already been explained, evolution doesn't really care if excess fat storage kills you in your fifties.

Dumb question, but if I want to lose some weight, like 5 lbs but I'm already pretty fit, would a low carb diet work or would fasting be better/faster?

>>11091473
>That's not how it works, son
Oh fuck off, arrogant idiot. The ability to store something unlimited vs limited is not something that you can just say that unlimited is the normal state. That's fucking ridiculous.
Never mind me even asking in a place like this. Holy shit.

>>11091475
Just eat less, you don't really need to do anything besides that.

>>11091475
If you're already pretty /fit/ you shouldn't need to ask this question

>>11091482
Developing a mechanism to store energy is the default. If there doesn't accidentally happen to already be a system in place to limit it then yes, endless storage is the default. And the body's ability to store energy is very obviously not unlimited in the first place. What you seem to expect is some system by which the body can anticipate how much stored energy it will require in the future, determine what an appropriately "healthy" amount of storage is, and use these factors to somehow limit itself in storing energy.

It's really dumb and it's even dumber to think that this extremely complex and unnecessary system would somehow have had evolutionary precedence over the simple ability to store excess energy. I wouldn't need to be arrogant if you'd stop being so retarded.

>>11091454
>You're writing that down as if the limitless option is the starting point, the normal state, while I'd say evolution would've had to implement the ability to keep storing fat endlessly in the first place.
OK, but you're wrong. It takes more work to put a limit in place.

>>11086657
The Silent Hero Journey Boy fans getting assblasted by your pic lel.

>>11091407
We would've been limited by how much physical activity was required to get that much food. It's possible at some point that we might figure out a way to limit the amount of fat storage no matter how much we eat, but it's only within the past 10k~ years that some people could basically have unlimited food without having to work for it themselves. Not enough time for widespread changes to stop that.

>>11091585
I think he's onto something.

Storing energy has its obvious benefits. But so does restricting how much energy is stored. After all, an obese person is at an evoloutionary disadvantage for several reasons: they are less capable of the physical exertion required to obtain food and water, they are more susceptible to disease and predators (including human ones), and they are less desireable to potential mates. Furthermore, a mechanism to stop energy storage needn't be prohibitely complicated. Plenty of things in the body already work within ranges, so there's no reason why fat storage could not.

I think a more likely explanation is simply that the situation which creates an obese person is so incredibly rare (by evolutionary standards) that there hasn't been enough time to create that pressure. Obesity was incredibly rare until industrialization, and that's basically "yesterday" on the evolutionary clock. But the gears are turning now--fatties aren't exactly doing well in the procreation department.

>>11086657
>Boats
fucking roasties

>>11087092
>I violate the laws of thermodynamics
Women really are a scientific marvel.

>>11086598
i eat low carb

>>11091200
Milk has carbs and they don't want to knock themselves out of ketosis, most non-whey milk products have negligible amounts or greatly altered ratio of carbs to other good stuff. It's not a very hard thing to work out if you use your brain.

>>11087784
Your liver produce glucose out of fat
when you are in cetosis your glicemia is around 100 mg ml but never go up. You have some insuline but not high production y you do not have insuline resistance that cause diabetes type 2

>>11087901
Your liver produce glucose out of fat
You do not need to eat carbs to feed your brain
You can go without eating for months without bad effects

Ever wondered why keto fags never post their progress or physique?

>>11092365
Yes I understand that point of it, but it still seems odd to say that all those foods are fine but the unprocessed food it comes from is something to be avoided when lactose intolerance isn't the issue.

>>11092779
also im gay

>>11091456
Its also the frequency of eating.

Sure, asians do eat rice, but they are not eating it every 2 hours, like donut eaters often do.

>>11091407
Our bodies are actually pretty good at not becoming super fat if they're only fed the stuff people ate before industrialization. The grotesquely fat people back then wouldn't turn heads today.

>>11086715
Based

>>11092779
I love it when they get triggered and call other people "fatties" as if they aren't the ones currently on an under-studied crash diet because not shoveling cake into their fat mouths was too difficult.

>>11086598
>>>/is2.4chan.org/qa/1534865641679.png
See ya

>>11089485
Fuck off Peterson!

I love it when people argue about memes.
I'm still on the Atkins diet btw

>>11092779
My progress is pretty good, thank you. After the initial water weight "whoosh", I'm down about 20 lbs even in a 5 week period. That's with working a physical job, though. I've also lost significant amounts doing straight CICO, but I gained it back through heavy alcohol abuse combined with lapses in training. In the end, all diets come down to CICO, but there are many routes to achieve this, and keto is a solid one.

I started my initial weight loss at 275 lbs at 5'10". CICO and exercised my way down to 240, and keto has brought me down to 225 since mid to late June.

IDK if I"ll keep it up for longer than I need to, as it might inhibit my Jiu-JItsu and other exercise, but it's hellishly effective for knocking off body fat in my experience. The biggest benefit to me has been the utter lack of sugar cravings. Even when I cheat and go out of keto, it's never with sweets. Usually just pizza and beer.

Ketofags are just as bad as vegans on this board. Fucking cancer can't shut up about their meme diet.

>>11087023
>Sara B Seidelmann, MD
>Shamanic healer and Life Coach

Something I've noticed is that post-surgery and people with medical issues are often told to start a low-carb diet

Why is that?