/ck/ - Food & Cooking

you aren't a vegetarian if you eat eggs or fish or meat

>>11055427
>eggs
Eggsplain?

>>11055415
Daily reminder that cholesterol is a non-issue if you exercise.

>>11055427
thanks for the info, indeed vegetarians dont eat meat (fish is meat)

>>11055433
the thing that frasier scrambles after every episode

>>11055436
i know but i heard on some boards that people eat fish and still call themselves vegetarians wtf

>>11055415
Say we all become vegan, what would vegans do with all the food livestock? If we keep them alive where would all the money come from to feed and look after them?

>>11055415
>lebenstraum
Yep. Only a vegetarian/vegan would be fascist. "But I know better for the masses. I should have control. Kill those who doubt me"

>>11055441
Yeah I get that, but what’s wrong with eating eggs? I always thought eggs and dairy were fine for vegetarians.

>>11055442
Thats ez. Kill them and turn them into fertilizer.

>>11055442
Sterile them and wait until they all die of old age? Same thing we should do with africans.

>>11055442
You know that’s not going to happen, you edgy faggot.

>>11055442
I really want to know what vegans have against wearing and farming alpacas. Every breeder I’ve met loves their animals like pets.

>>11055442
Sadly the practical thing to do is kill them all - but that's fine as this is for a better future without needless suffering.

Obviously nobody would be allowed to eat the meat though, as that would be morally wrong.

>>11055444
dont be so sensitive about this word

You really think people who dont believe in killing or exploiting anything alive would want to take your life?

>>11055503
>vegan pizza
This, but with anchovies.

Vegans are absolute scum

>>11055537

>>11055415
>Come out of the shadows
>shadows
>vegans in the shadows
It's literally impossible for a vegan not to be on the highest soapbox inhaling all the attention it could possibly get.

>>11055558
we are persecuted on /ck/. We just want equal rights

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>>11055415
Yum

>>11055415
Moooooooooo! Please eat us!

>>11055581
>pot kettle
Meh, if you were the majority you'd probably hang meat eaters, and vegetarians not long after.
Anyway, as a small extended olive branch, I've just made a vegan tiki masala using tofu for lunch.

Vegans are mentally ill and their energy comes mostly from sugar which is extremely unhealthy and just plain retarded. Nobody here has been a vegan for 10 years and not a single one of you is going to raise a child completely vegan without constant struggle. If you don’t go infertile that is.
Killing animals is ok, fun and in many cases absolutely nessecary.

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>>11055765
Refer to >>11055435

>>11055765
>wishing death for fellow humans
This is the big caring heart of vegans.
You people are like jehovas witnesses, there is no other way to salvation than to agree with you 100% and if someone doesn’t do exactly that they are pure evil.

>>11055776
its not wishing, its just enjoying my drink, you dont mind the baits and hate which i was responding to? its ok?

>>11055765
You can’t honestly be a man and be this passive aggressive.

>>11055765
>say vegans would wish death upon meat eaters
>first reply is to wish death upon meat eaters
And they still wonder why people hate them.

MODS KILL THIS THREAD PLZ

>>11055765
Last time I extend an olive branch to these crazies. What a hateful bunch of nutjobs those vegans are. And then they actually have the gall to call me the hater, in the process of wishing me dead.
It must be the lack of nutrients causing their brain to get filled with so much anger.

>>11055787
You are the hateful one dude. Someone posted pictures of food, someone called you a retard, someone suggested you would ve willing to hang people and the first thing you post is:
>oh no someone doesn’t agree with me! I hope they die!
So the banter posted here wasn’t even entirely untrue.

>>11055415
You have to go back

I think I’ve trolled the vegans enough. Better get some rest. I still have a rodeo to compete in.

>>11055824
Yes, you gotta go back to beating your slaves, right?

I found this picture of a 1930s vegan camp. Wow, so powerful, who said you can't be healthy and still look stunning? This is right after all of them had a delicious vegan meal with lots of different and fun colors like red, green and yellow consisting of 200grams on sugar, 20grams fibre and a good feeling knowing that only insects, birds and small animals like rabbits were killed in the process of making their food. So basically no animals were harmed. Very powerful.
#healthateverysize

>>11055833
I mean a literal rodeo with riding and roping.

>>11055765
>chomp, mmmm tasty bait
I knew you'd rise. Thanks for the extra salty (You)s, faggot. PS I'm just making cottage pie, mmmmm lovely minced beef.

>>11055840
That's what I said. Abusing your slaves.

>>11055854
Bulls enjoy living in captivity and in reality it's extremely rare that they would be abused in any way. Why woudl they? people love animals.
Sadly however, usually when an animals life ends it usually like results in death. Animals are way better off living in captivity, have people take care of them and kill them painlessly at some point. The other alternative would be living in the wild, having a cheeta bite your testicles off and having parasitic worms fill up your airways and having to experience a slow and painful death trough suffocation that might last for years.
Living in nature is torture on many cases. Humans protect the animals they eat so that we can have good quality meat. And meat is one of the most nutrient and energy dense foods there is.
t.someone else

>>11055868
Animal suffering is fine so long as humans aren't causing it.

>>11055765
>only meat-eaters are going to die
ive got news for you buddy

>>11055893
Well that is just stupid reasoning.

>>11055765
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26586275

>When saturated fats are replaced with refined carbohydrates, and specifically with added sugars (like sucrose or high fructose corn syrup), the end result is not favorable for heart health.
>Dietary guidelines should shift focus away from reducing saturated fat, and from replacing saturated fat with carbohydrates, specifically when these carbohydrates are refined. To reduce the burden of CHD, guidelines should focus particularly on reducing intake of concentrated sugars, specifically the fructose-containing sugars like sucrose and high-fructose corn syrup in the form of ultra-processed foods and beverages.
tldr saturated fat isn't always bad, refined carbs and sugar cause heart disease

>>11055943
And the funny thing is that the shit the mans drinking in the picture is probably at least like 1/3 sugar.

>>11055925
No.

>>11055726
Nice beetroot tartar and mayosriracha my dude!

feels good eating a healthy, eco-friendly diet while minimizing suffering

>>11056064
So it's true then. You don't even love animals, but just hate humans. Why would that make sense otherwise?

>>11055415
fixed..

>>11055415
>Come out of the closets my brothers.
Here, you had a tiny misspelling.

Oh look another vegan thread derailed by idiotic meat eaters, now repeat endlessly. Why are meat eaters so enforcing

>>11056402
True that! Why can't we long for the destruction of humanity in peace? The nerve of others trying to suggest an actually sustainable diet that makes sense.
I mean, I don't even love animals. I just hate humans so much that I starve myself with a shit diet.
Leave us vegans and other non-sentient animals alone!

Non-vegan here. Had a vegan taco the other day, very bad and summed up the biggest problem with vegan food: it's all imitative garbage. Fake meat, fake cheese and (confusingly) a fake tortilla made out of god knows what. They were advertising it as gluten free but maybe these "foodies" didn't know there should be no gluten in a corn tortilla anyhow.

I don't understand what the fuck is up with this shit, why can't you throw some beans and veges in a corn tortilla and do it well rather than attempt the impossible. Literally what the fuck is wrong with you people.

If I could go to a vegan restaurant and get things like: Normal vegetable antipasti, normal vegetable mezze, normal vege sushi, normal vegetable pasta, a normal fucking salad that isnt covered in some fake cheese dressing... then I would be happily vegan.

There is so much great traditional vegan food from around the world that doesn't rely on gross imitations with a million ingredients. What the fuck is wrong with you people that you think fake cheese is better than no cheese?

>>11056432
Implying my locally grown organic veg box is less sustainable that your KFC chicken pieces
Fuck off

>>11056479
i am sorry for your bad experience.

But as this lifestyle goes more mainstream, the quality of food will improve. Why we need fake cheese? Because if it tastes great, why not put it on pizza or burger, just like the old times. Why we need fake burger or sausages? When i loved it before, why cant i enjoy it in a new edition.

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>>11056507
As a vegan, I’ve never had vegan cheese that tastes good. Why does everyone insist on using coconut milk and coconut oil? It’s absolutely foul, the flavour is cloying and nauseating .

>>11056523
as i said, it will be better, just look at impossible and beyond food, people are already working on good cheese, because lot of people crave it.

>>11056507
It's disgusting, kraft singles are fucking disgusting, mcdonalds meat is fucking disgusting, just because you take the animal products out of these things doesn't mean they are suddenly not totally disgusting... Fake food is fake food!

There is a pizzeria in my town that does a wonderful traditionally vegan pizza rosso, no vegans get it though. They go for a nut cheese abomination elsewhere

>>11056523
>>11056527
If you really want cheese why don't you just move to a place where you can keep your own goat?

>>11056541
because i want to keep my lifestyle and still not hurt the animals

>>11056528
vegan pizza is everywhere, even with the decent cheese

>>11056523
try this, great on pizza

vegan mozzarella, great on pizza

https://minimalistbaker.com/easy-vegan-mozzarella-cheese/

>>11056479
It's hardly fake meat, sure I will allow that sOme is but most of it is just veggies in bugger shapes or sausage shapes. I don't get why people get so wound up about silly things like that

>>11056541
I never liked cheese, so the lack of vegan cheese doesn’t bother me. I just don’t understand how people enjoy coconut based dairy alternatives. They are horrible

>>11056585
becuase it's gross af and makes people hate vegans

>>11056572
>coconut yogurt

>>11055765
CARNISTS BTFO

>>11055943
That’s not remotely relevant to anything. This isn’t a keto thread

>tldr saturated fat isn't always bad, refined carbs and sugar cause heart disease
Except the exact study you’re referencing comes to the conclusion they’re about equally detrimental

Nobody said refined carbs were wonder food

>>11055415
Veg-an /veegun/ N.:
A Lakota Sioux word that means "One too lazy to domesticate, and too stupid to hunt." Loanword in English since 1945.

>>11056500
Imblying your fred flintstone lunchables box is as sustainable than the mooses that I shoot so that they don't get out of hand

>>11056598
well i dont need mild and cheese too, but you know, its nice when it melts on pizza

>>11056640
Wow you sure countered me there...
if wolves weren't removed from the ecosystem where you live, moose wouldn't be such a problem.
But anyway my veg from the garden or farms within a 10 mile radious is still more sustainable than your fantasies about shooting moose

>>11056675
there are wolves here you retard, to the point they were once considered a hazard for kids walking to school so the government provided taxi rides for kids in risky areas
the video you watched about wolves returning to yellowstone or whereeverthefuck is not a reality in most places in the world

>>11056082
>all the vermin eradicated by farmers every year
You’re literally doubling down on animal murder.

>>11056629
>Except the exact study you’re referencing comes to the conclusion they’re about equally detrimental
You stupid fucking asshole. It literally says sources of saturated fat may be beneficial for heart health, and that focus should shift from telling people to reduce their saturated fat intake to telling them to reduce their refined carb and sugar intake to reduce heart disease. It has nothing to do with keto dieting. Your shitty ideological pushing is going to make people sick and potentially kill someone at some point.

>Nobody said refined carbs were wonder food
No, but you're still blaming saturated fat from animal products for heart disease when refined carbs and sugar are now the likely culprits for that. If you want to be vegan because you strongly disagree with animal slaughter and environmental issues and whatever, that's fine. I agree that those are issues that need to be dealt with. But a vegan diet is NOT healthier than a balanced omnivore diet and you need to fuck off with your shitty outdated thinking that is most likely being influenced by companies who offer "healthier" vegan alternatives of these foods. Just like vegetable shortening, which we found out is now literally responsible for thousands of deaths.

>>11055854
Brah what event in rodeo actually involves beating an animal for the fuck of it

Pop culture veganism is purely an upper class white people phenomenon. It allows the aimless rich kids to look down on others and make them feel better about their idle lives.

>>11056867
>Pop culture veganism is purely an upper class white people phenomenon. It allows the aimless rich kids to look down on others and make them feel better about their idle lives.


Pop culture veganism in America perfectly represents everything that's wrong with shallow, self absorbed white people. All the way down to the not-so-subtle racism.

>>11056859
All of them, according to vegan nutjobs.

>>11056629
You literally need saturated fat. Not as much as burgars like, but still.

FACT: the most environmentally sound diet is vegan. The world is dying right no due to environmental changes. What is stopping you?

>>11056871
>Pop culture veganism in America perfectly represents everything that's wrong with shallow, self absorbed white people. All the way down to the not-so-subtle racism.

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>>r/swoosh

>>11056893
>FACT: the most environmentally sound diet is vegan.

WRONG

FACT: the most environmentally sound diet is organic home grown. Big agra kills more animals than all the fur industries combined.

>>11056901
>ls than all the fur industries combined.

Compete with my locally organic grown veggies and legumes(actually true story). I'll ascend as you descend to hell. Your inefficient hens cant compete.

>>11056928
It's about pigs. Pigs can be fed with scraps and provide plenty of food during the winter when you aren't growing anything due to the climate.

..and if you have a garden you absolutely do want hens. It's brilliant synergy. The chickens eat pest insects in your garden and fertilize it with their poo. that means you don't need to spend as much effort on pest control, Meanwhile you get free eggs, and a little meat once in a while when a hen gets too old to lay. chickens are also handy for various gardening tasks: They're great at spreading mulch or manure, they do a great job eating weed seeds & pests when you are preparing ground for planting, etc.

>>11056960
This would actually make sense unless you talked with an experienced grower.
Sorry but my efficiency have at least doubled since converting to vegan growing methods.
Fucking wood chips are tenfold as strong as chickenshit

for shame, all of you

>>11056402
>getting trolled on a Mongolian basket weaving forum
>enforcing

>>11056974
>Fucking wood chips are tenfold as strong as chickenshit
Nope. Chicken manure is .8% potassium, .5% phosphorous, and 1.5% nitrogen. I can't even find potassium and phosphorous info for wood chips, and most sources only give 1% Nitrogen. chicken shit is more potent.

....and that's also ignoring the most important detail: chickenshit is FREE, whereas wood chips are not.

why

>>11056999
Huhuhuh... You don't have a garden do you? A theoretical fucking glasses wearing maggot? Woodchips are so fucking abundant i could plaster the whole village with it. Because trees fucking grow.

>>11057014
So your solution to people eating animals is to cut down all the trees for wood chips?

>>11057001
Obviously, yeah, this is weird.

But it's really not any weirder than eating actual cheese, is it?

>>11057014
I live on 4 acres. I grow veggies, herbs, and I keep chickens.

>>Woodchips are so fucking abundant i could plaster the whole village with it.
Good for you. Here wood chips are quite expensive. I get a little from pruning and whatnot but nowhere enough to use them sustainably. I get plenty of chickenshit though.

I also like how you've moved the goalposts from "wood chips are more potent" to "well they're not but they're everywhere!"

>>11056974
Veganism is an eating disorder. You may as well be talking about how to sharpen razor blades for cutters when you talk about pro-vegan shit in public. You should be ashamed. It is not a choice, it is a condition and it is serious.

>>11057017
No. my solution is eat the fucking feed (or the equivalent in nourishment) that you give the goddamn animals and you'll save energy AS FUCK. And if you can't grasp this you are literally retarded.

>>11057028
is your name Dwight?

>>11056640
>>11056698
based Alaskafag...

>>11057037
>my solution is eat the fucking feed
How is that possible given that human beings cannot digest cellulose, and therefore most feed crops are worthless to human beings?

Everybody knows that raising animals for meat is inefficient, but what people forget for some retarded reason is that animals are capable of converting crops which are nutritionally worthless to humans into foods that are useful to humans. A field of grass can't feed people. But let a cow, sheep, or rabbits, eat that grass and now it can.

>>11056901
imagine thinking that homegrown food is more efficient than large scale agriculture

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>>11057063
Where do you see the word "efficiency" in what you replied to?

Nobody is claiming that it's more efficient. We're stating that it is more environmentally sound.

It tastes better too; industrialization has fucked over the flavor in our meats and our crops.

>>11056898
>r/damagecontrol

>>11057061
HURRRDIHHUUUUR ANIMALS EAT OTHER THANH HUMAN,,

proceed to feed animal corn and soy

>>11056974
wood chips aren't fertilizer They're fertilizer locked up in a carbon matrix that takes years, even decades of vermiculture as well as bacterial and fungal action to free for use. Assuming of course, that you don;t simply enslave the worms to create a compost factory to do it in 3 months. Shit, especially bird shit is immediate nutrients for you plants, and if the shit is created by the comsumption of weed seeds and vermin that would have perpetrated a mischief upon your crops, then it's basically free, even if you do have to supplement their diet with a bit of seed.

t. life-long gardener, experienced cannaculturalist and neophyte poultry enthusiast

>>11057091
I mix my chips up with my waste from my house mainly. Veggie and fruit ends. Some food scraps. My veggies seem to thrive.

>>11057090
I don't feed my goats corn or soy. They forage on shitty west Texas scrubland that's pretty much useless for anything else. There's more stones than soil here so it's not like you can plant anything.

>>11057097
Your soil probably doesn’t need the fertilizer to begin with.

>>11057091
you grow sativas in the states? I like worker weed and may want to make friends.

>>11055743
>you guys are mentally ill
>killing animals is fun

>>11057026
It's much weirder. Most of the 'vegan cheese' things are weird by virtue of using a bunch of ingredients to fail to approximate a three-ingredient food that you could wholly do without anyway.
If you want cheese, eat cheese. If you don't want to each cheese, don't try to make a cheese analogue. Also, fuck nutritional yeast

>>11055743
Hey. Joaquin phoenix grew up alright.

>>11057157
>Also, fuck nutritional yeast

Would if I could

>>11057147
I did not say it was fun. Is your poor nutrition affecting your eyes and reading comprehension?

I love animals. Unfortunately some of them are made out of food. Sucks for them. If it was my choice, it would not be that way. Such is life.

>>11057157
dude yeast is dope AF

>>11057037
>my solution is eat the fucking feed
Corn has very little in the way of nutrients, is used SPECIFICALLY to make beef cattle fat and feed corn is unsightly and tastes terrible. Good luck getting people to eat shitty food that isn't good for them

>>11057168
>Killing animals is ok, fun
how can you be this retarded

>>11057090
That's kinda why we domesticate cows, horses, dogs, pigs etc...they can feed us, but don;t compete with us for food. Anything that can only eat the same food we eat isn't something to domesticate, it's something to hunt so it stops eating your fucking food.

>>11057175
In what way does it have little nutrients? please explain?

>>11057168
>Killing animals is ok, fun and in many cases absolutely nessecary(sic)
>I did not say it was fun
Also, I'm not even a vegetarian, I'm having chicken rn. You epic trolls manage to be even more retarded and obnoxious than vegans, you retards are actually better than them at making people want to stop eating meat. Btw don't even bother replying m8

>>11057178
Shooting pheasants is fun tbqh

>>11057097
How long do you compost before adding it to the garden?

>>11057118
I work mostly with indicas and hybrids, but I've worked up a sativa dominant hybrid that produces well and doesn't lock you into the couch. Unfortunately, unless you live in the 907, you're outta luck mate.

>>11057171
Can't make beer or mead without it.

>>11057178
i was another poster that had a simillar vegans are mentally ill slant, and thought you were responding to me for a sec. I edited it out. I made a mistake. It does not mean I have an extra chromosome, you judgmental cunt. Have a lovely day.

>>11057079
it is not more environmentally sound precisely because of how inefficient it is

>>11057190
There aren't many nutrients present in corn. Look up corn in any nutrition database and look. There aren't many vitamins and minerals present.

....And what little there is remains unavailable to humans because we cannot digest cellulose.

Also read this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nixtamalization
--corn is basically worthless to human beings without being processed.

>>11057220
It's ok to be special man, you just have different abilities

>>11057208
Probably for a year or maybe two i guess. It's mixed in with veggie excess though.

>>11057235
But when cattle eat it it magically evolves to god tier nutriments... gotcha

>>11057190
Most of the nutrition in corn is locked up and is indigestible by humans. Our digestive systems are not powerful enough or long enough to break it down. Why do you think corn in your shit looks about the same as it did on your plate?

To make corn nutritionally digestible you have to soak it in an alkaline solution, then dry it , then grind it and THEN boil it. The end result is called "Grits".

Corn on the cob is fodder for cattle and a way to keep your stomach full during famine periods.

>>11057236
Fuck that noise. Retards are broken. Let's not play semantics. I made a slight mistake and fixed it. No harm. I do not need a harness and headgear when I go to the store.

>>11057257
))

>>11057225
>it is not more environmentally sound precisely because of how inefficient it is
From an environmental perspective it's extremely efficient.
Fertilizer needs: Zero. That comes from compost and manure.
Pesticide needs: Very low to non-existant thanks to chickens used for pest control, and also because small plots are far less likely to sustain a massive outbreak of pests compared to huge monoculture operations.
Energy needs for transportation and refrigeration: Greatly reduced due to closer proximity between farm and consumer.

>>11057237
Wait, so you compost the wood chips, but not the veg-ends?

>>11057245
>But when cattle eat it it magically evolves to god tier nutriments
Confirmed for having ZERO understanding of animal physiology or biology.

Cattle have FOUR fucking stomachs. Their natural dies is GRASS. Their GI tract is specifically geared to digest cellulose and other hard-to-digest vegetable matter.

Also, corn isn;t really good for cows either, it does to them the same thing it does to humans; makes the FAT. That's why American beef is considered superior to most of the world's; we use corn to fatten 'em up so their flesh has that lovely marbling that makes a steak so tender, juicy and delicious.

>INB4 WAGYU beef
Wagyu is niche market memefood. Besides, all they do is what american beef producers do, only more expensively and with shit that's even WORSE for the cows than plain old feed corn.

>>11057300
Wagyu is actually a breed of cattle, not a process. I like that some ranchers will feed them beer, though. It’s good for their rumen.

>>11057038
I know that guy!

>>11057339
Wagyu literally is just Nip for "cow" and can be any of four breeds of cattle. I really doubt that the cattle themselves are naturally fat though. Pretty sure that if fed nothing but grass they'd be as lean as any other beeve on the same diet. It's the consumption of corn and other high-carb, low-nutrient foods that make then tubby and delicious. Not $110 a pond delicious, but delicious.

>>11057383
>high-carb, low-nutrient
carbs are nutrients dummy

>>11057383
Wagyu is fairly unique in the world of domestic animals because they are actually bred for the best possible taste and marbling. Most domestic cattle prioritize other things, like feed conversion efficiency, disease resistance, fast growth, etc. Wagyu would not be quite AS fat without their diet, but they would certainly be different than, say, Angus.

>>11057383
Marbling has more to do with genetics than it has to do with feeding. That’s why Angus is so hyped.

>>11057414
I am buying an Angus calf today as a pet. I found out they only cost like 3 hundo near me. I think I am going to name him Randy Rhodes or something, because fuck AC/DC.

>>11057403
No, carbs are energy. Vitamins and minerals are nutrients.

>>11057414
And yet Angus are not Wagyu. In point of fact, in the US Wagyu are crossed with Angus to produce "American Kobe Beef". Why? Because Angus has qualities (like size, meat:bodyweight ratio, and rapid weight gain) that make them preferable for american markets.

>>11057461
Ever wondered why carbs, fat and protein are called macronutrients?

>>11056999
Vegetable compost on avg (depending on the components) will have NPK @ 1-1-1. Don't know what that anon was talking about regarding wood chips. They take a very long time to compost but are very effective weed blockers. I agree poultry manure is an excellent source for animal fertilizers but green manures are often overlooked. A cover crop of clover will fix additional nitrogen into the soil and can be tilled under to rapidly decompose which provides an excellent source of nutrients, in fact with the N fixation activity, higher than animal manures. To even increase the benefit, fall leaves can be tilled in with the green clover. There's lots of ways to build living, nutrient rich soils.

>>11056402
After years of vegans posting hate threads you better believe we'll get our revenge

I’m asking this with a genuine curiosity because i’ve been wanting to go vegan but i want to know why you guys decided to commit to it? health benefits, lifestyle, or ethics? does eating meat really do harm?

>>11057589
if you are not crazy, you will quit in a few years after discovering it is a complete waste of time and energy.

>>11057599
>eating fruit and vegetables is a waste of time for carniecucks

yikes

>>11057589
i do it for the animals, but it got great health benefits, lots of energy, you dont waste energy by digesting

>>11057606
your silly hyperbole aside, anon is correct. Statitically very few vegans maintain their diets long term.

>>11057514
Ever wonder how people can live without eating any carbs?

>>11056082
Eco-friendly, gmo free, organic, and all natural are labels whose validity are non-enforcable

>>11057610
https://www.livekindly.co/number-of-vegans-in-the-uk-surges-by-700-in-just-two-years/

>>11057526
Clover is an excellent cover crop. but when your cropland is producing, you want as any nutrients as they can possibly use. Energy spent building root structures to seek out nutes is energy not being spent to produce large healthy plants or huge, tasty fruits.

>>11057249
Simply not true, its more nutritious soaked but it does not make it devoid of nutrition

>>11056557
Raising a single goat is far from harmful to the goat. Unless if you're a sociopath that enjoys abusing animals. And milking is something that goats like (maybe a little too much)

>>11057611
Literally not an argument

>>11056606
Mass harvesting coconuts is really bad for the local environment.

>>11057606
your reading comprehension is retard tier.

>>11056896
>$400 iPhone
>$70 designer shirt
>$25 designer bandana
>$40 designer shirt
Taking a selfie with the smelly locals that you'll make fun of back home..priceless
For everything else, there's mainstream veganism

>>11056985
Baby food grilled sandwich looks disgusting

>>11057630
are you sure about that milking? Do you like milking?

>>11055415
MODS

>>11057627
Nobody claimed it was "devoid" of nutrition, rather the claim was that it was not particularly nutritious to humans.

>>11057171
Yeast is murder. How can people think that consuming millions of a species' population at a time is good or cool?

>>11056896
Asians have tried too, but they didn't like it.

>>11057672
Thanks Captain Obvious, is Major Cocksucker in your rear?

>>11057690
Every time I see that image I laugh.

>>11057690

>>11057607
>you dont waste energy by digesting
vegetable matter is harder to digest than animal matter. Carbs (plant matter) is stored as fat bu the body, while consumed fat is immediately burned for energy.

Carnism requires less energy on average to digest, and provides energy is a more efficient manner.

>>11057622
>figures indicate that veganism has seen a 700% growth in just two years
>how many people living in the UK identify as vegan, finding that the number has jumped dramatically since 2016. Data circulated two years ago which said that 542,000 people aged 15 and over – just over one percent of the population – identified as vegan. The information also showed that 1.14 million people in Britain were vegetarian."

1.14 million = 1,140,000
1,140,000/542,000 = ~2.1
2.1 - 210%
210% =/= 700%

Vegans have starved themselves into being unable to do grade-school math. Or else the article sited is BULLSHIT PROPAGANDA.

>>11057627
You sir are disingenuous and do not argue with honesty. GTFO shill.

>>11057514
It's because the contain a negligible amount of nutrients. Macro is smaller than micro and micro is smaller than small

>>11057630
Be advised that goats are happiest in herds. the minimum number of goats in a household to be healthy is 2.

>>11057699
>vegetable matter is harder to digest than animal matter. Carbs (plant matter) is stored as fat bu the body, while consumed fat is immediately burned for energy.

>>11057708
>>macro is smaller than micro
>>this retarded
I swear you can't make this shit up...

>>11057607
Not sure if trolling or just retarded.
Every step involved in eating consumes energy. Lettuce and celery use more energy than you gain from them.

>>11057708
Are you niggers actually serious?

>>11057720
Ad Hom is neither a refutation nor an argument. GTFO

>>11057680
[stereotype intensifies]
>I am also very spirituaaaaaal (in valley girl accent)
kek

>>11057730
Neither is being a sub 50 IQ retard spouting mercola tier momscience

GTFO XDDD

>>11057664
There's a reason why women will 'milk' ourselves. It's painful and health hazardous to just let milk sit in the body.

>>11057680
Bobby loved meat so much that he could tell you what cut and from what animal it was just by looking at it for 10 seconds.

>>11057738
unimpressed by your liberal bullshit sir. GTFO.

>>11057635
Then we should stop, because they also suck

>>11057749
Agreed. Drinking straight from a coconut without mixing anything in is bad for people who aren't from a region where it's a natural part of the diet

>>11057664
Breastfeeding hurts like a bitch. If the baby latches weird or bites to hard. You gotta wake up at all hours and shove your sore chapped nipples into the little monsters mouth. They can get infected. You gotta rub funky creams on there and pump out the excess or you start leaking and it hurts. I wouldn’t wish that on any other animal.

THIS JUST IN: MEAT HAS BEEN PART OF ALMOST EVERY REGIONS' DIETS THROUGHOUT HUMAN HISTORY. DENOUNCE YOUR ANCESTORS AND ALL OF HUMANKIND

>>11056896
Fun fact: only one person in that picture is a possible vegetarian/vegan

>>11057748
>unimpressed by your liberal bullshit sir. GTFO.

>>11057759
Cows and goats enjoy the pressure relief. Also, hands don't contain teeth.(Unless if you're in a horror movie)

>>11055415

You guys would have a much easier time if you just focused on promoting cooking. I eat meat and I eat vegan recipes all the time. Because I'm not a moron and having a delicious side dish is fantastic.

So stop advertising your bullshit fad diet expecting me to take you seriously when people are starving all over the world. Start promoting what you cook or make that's delicious.

>>11057699
>1.14 million = 1,140,000
>1,140,000/542,000 = ~2.1
>2.1 - 210%
>210% =/= 700%
I hate vegans as much as the next man, but your figures show that you're the idiot here. The 1.14 million is the estimated number of vegetarians in 2016, the .542 million is the number of vegans in 2016, both extrapolated from a randomised poll of 10,000 people. The 2018 figures are not present in the article, they are implicit from the link to an insurance website's 'survey' of 2,000 self respondents. This makes the latter poll basically worthless, but their figures would show a 700% increase if they were real figures. So the math checks out, just not the methodology.

You ass.

>>11057774
Okay.
You can argue a vegan diet wasn’t feasible in the past, but it’s easily accessible now. Why not minimize harm to other creatures, harm to the environment, and harm to our own bodies? It’s easy to have a healthy and nutritionally complete vegan diet in 2018, so why continue to do damage?

>>11057758
Complete pseudoscience

>>11057786
>stop focusing on real issues and just turn your brain off!

>>11055415
Why is it pronounced with a long e? Why not "Vej-an"?

>>11056871
>Using a diet based on a love for animals as an excuse to hate white people
Holy fuck do liberals ever stop with the racism?
>Inb4 most vegans are liberals
Liberals cannibalize their own so that's not surprising

>>11057759
So what you're saying is that the natural manner in which animals are supposed to breed and raise their young is bullshit and you think your DNA is what, incorrect?

>>11057789
I don't think a "vegan" diet has much of a positive effect on anything. What matters far more than "vegan" is small scale, traditional style agriculture. Factory farms are horrible for the enviornment even if they are only growing crops. I grow a lot of my own veggies. I keep chickens. I hunt and fish. What little meat I buy I get from small farms that raise heritage breed animals. I eat mostly plant foods.

I also reject veganism from a health angle. The fact is that many vital nutrients are more bioavailable from animal sources.

>>11057789
Hasn't the AGW crown been decrying the conversion of forest/jungle into cropland as a bad thing for the last 30 years? Don't crops contribute to soil erosion or something?

>>11057811
Oh yeah i love clogged arteries because i can slightly more protein!!!

>>11057808
All of nature is wrong according to their larping logic

>>11057821
Who said anything about protein? That's easy to get on a vegan diet. I'm talking micros.

>>muh clogged arteries
did you somehow miss the part where I was advocating a low-meat diet?

>>11057818
Crop rotation is necessary. If you grew the same crops large scale year after year the soil would be stripped of its proper nutrients to grow those crops.

>>11057834
soil depletion is not the same as soil erosion. It's possible to grow cover crops simultaneously with many food crops.

>>11057867
>implying that I'm on 4chins to use logic in an argument
You realise that half the people in this thread are middle and high school kids that can't be bothered to look shit up and think or themselves.
I'm just here to see how much butthurt can be caused.

>>11057883
back to /b/ with you then faggot.

>>11057811
Everyone doesn’t behave as you, and the ethical argument of killing an individual that doesn’t want to die remains

>>11057818
A huge percentage of the crops being grown in the deforested Amazon is to grow crops for livestock or for the grazing of livestock. Animal agriculture takes a more land for less calories and takes more water than plant alternatives.

Sources:
https://openknowledge.worldbank.org/handle/10986/15060

http://www.fao.org/docrep/v8180t/v8180t07.htm

http://planetsave.com/2009/01/29/80-percent-of-amazon-deforestation-stems-from-cattle-ranching-2/

https://www.ers.usda.gov/webdocs/publications/44625/11159_eib89_2_.pdf?v=41055

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0048969715303697

>>11057889
Nah, as long as I'm including anything that contributes to the discussion I'm not really trolling.

>>11057832
Allll those micros right?

>i was advocating a low meat diet
Low meat doesn’t equal heart healthy

>>11057901
I'm 125 lbs and I eat meat. My friend is 268lbs and doesn't eat meat. Got fat after turning vegan. This is why I tell people that the only people, including yourself, that you should take dietary advice from are dietitians. (I'm not arguing just throwing out a fact that will piss off anyone who thinks they know best)

>>11057895
>Everyone doesn’t behave as you, and the ethical argument of killing an individual that doesn’t want to die remains

Anon posted a question and I gave my answer, simple as that.

I don't think there is an ethical argument involved since we kill animals to grow crops too.

>>11057901
>Allll those micros right?
No, there's really only a few that are better sourced from animals than plants. But a few is good enough for me.

>>Low meat doesn’t equal heart healthy
It's certainly healthy enough. Besides which, I get regular physicals including bloodwork and mine is spot on. I'm not worried about some arterial plaque bogeyman.

>>11057945
>a minority of nutrients are better sourced from animals
>the overwhelming majority of that minority have severe drawbacks
>thats enough for me!!!

>healthy enough
Yeah eggs are pure health ambrosia!!

>arterial plaque boogeyman
Enjoy your low test and angina

>>11057972
>>the overwhelming majority of that minority have severe drawbacks
Nope. The only drawbacks lie in overconsumption.

>>Yeah eggs
Who said anything about eggs? Offal, bro. Offal. No veg on earth can compete with liver.

>Enjoy your low test and angina
Did you miss the part where I stated my bloodwork is spot on?
As for the angina, my grandfather had it...but then again he lived to be 96 so I'm not really worried about that either.

So tell me, what are you doing to reduce enviornmental harm?

>>11057997
>overconsumption
So any consumption?

>Offal
So again, meat? You can move all the goalposts you want. Enjoy your heavy metals and hypervitaminosis

>my blood work is spot on
Am I supposed to take your unsubstantiated anecdote as some general standard for everyone? Do you think your apparent immunity to atherosclerosis is a norm? Nobody was talking about you only, stargirl

>environmental harm
Probably not contribute to one the biggest producers of methane on the planet

>>11055415
Whoever made this image is a moron. The correct transcription is /ˈviːɡən/. ⟨e⟩ is the vowel in "McVeigh" and ◌̄ is a tone mark for ching chong nip nong languages, not a long vowel marker.

>>11058022
>So any consumption?
No.

>So again, meat? You can move all the goalposts you want.
What do you mean "again, meat"? I stated from the beginning that I ate meat. Then you said something about eggs.

>>Am I supposed to take your unsubstantiated anecdote as some general standard for everyone?
You keep writing "enjoy your" so I assumed we were indeed talking about me. If you don't want to talk about my health, stop using the word "you" and start speaking in generalizations instead.

>>Nobody was talking about you only
You were.

>>Probably not contribute
....you aren't even sure as to what you're doing? wow, sign me up anon!

>>11055415
I only come to /ck/ a couple times. Are Vegan generals like /v/'s political generals?

Wow you faggots are easy to trigger. The only person who posted vegan food in this thread was a carnist.

>>11058022
>environmental harm
Eat ostrich, bro.

>>11055415
>Haters stay out.
>Starts thread by posting an image insulting non-vegans
Bet you don't give a fuck about the slave labour used to farm vegan products i.e coffee, sugar, beans

>>11058103
>No
Yes

>You keep writing enjoy your
That doesn’t mean no one else is being referred to in the discussion. You weren’t the primary subject at any point

>You were
I wasn’t. You seem awfully self centered. The discussion didn’t stem or evolve into your life. It became a segment

>Youre not even sure?
Now you’re just grasping at semantic straws because you have no argument. The probably obviously doesn’t refer to uncertainty. But you’re more interested in zingers than discussing anything, “probably” because you’re a dumb autist

>>11058119
Id rather eat plants than feed poisonous food the crops then eating the poisonous food. Im also against keeping a steady flow of polluting shit in the atmosphere

To each their own I suppose

>>11058135
>You weren’t the primary subject at any point
Then why'd you keep "your"ing me?

>>I wasn’t
Horse shit:
>>Enjoy your low test and angina
>>You can move all the goalposts you want

>>Now you’re just grasping at semantic straws because you have no argument.
I already posted my position. When I asked you for yours you didn't give a confident and detailed answer. You gave a half-assed reply that began with the word "probably". If you want your argument to be taken seriously then make a serious argument.

>>The probably obviously doesn’t refer to uncertainty.
Don't be so sure. You've said some dumb shit already so I don't put anything past you.

Anyway, I'm willing to bet my carnist ass contributes less enviornmental harm than you do. How much of your food do you grow? Or are you entirely dependent on smoke-belching ships trucks and planes to feed you?

>>11058147
>poisonous food
>ostrich
Pick one.

>>11058166
Because part of the discussion includes you but not all? Is that too hard for your mind to understand? The primary subject was the suitability of veganism. And again saying “enjoy your” is a generalization and not specifically directed towards you

>Horse shit
Evidently you didn’t read from anger or stupidity, my explanation or the one im repeating in this post in all likelihood

>you didn’t give a confident and detailed answer
I explained why your issue with confidence is “probably” because you’re a shiteating sperg with no argument. You didn’t address any counterpoint i made, just making a snarky semantic remark “probably” because you have no actual argument

>FOLLOW MY CREED DESPITE THE FACT IM BEING AN INANE FAG
Ok bro

>dont be so sure
So now i cant be confident or not?

I notice you have utterly deviated from any point regarding veganism, “PROBABLY” because you’re a fat sperg :P

>>11058108
Vegan threads are usually made for trolling purposes

>>11058198
I pick both. Im not some little cuck that bows down to anyone who barks orders

>>11058207
I too like the smell of cyanide on a fauxturkey burger wrapped in bacon

>>11058207
No seriously though, how is ostrich bad for you or the environment?

>>11058225
I already explained. Why can’t you give an actual counterpoint to anything?

>>11058230
You gave me some shit about polluting the atmosphere which doesn’t come from raising ostrich.

>>11058200
>I notice you have utterly deviated from any point regarding veganism, “
Not at all. I just made a statement about that in the post you just replied to. Here, lemme post it again:

Anyway, I'm willing to bet my carnist ass contributes less enviornmental harm than you do. How much of your food do you grow? Or are you entirely dependent on smoke-belching ships trucks and planes to feed you?

Anyway, we bickered about semantics and then I asked you to restate your case seriously. You didn't.

Do you want me to address the pic you posted? If so, state your case. Personally, I think it shows that the western diet tends to suck, which I do not disagree with. Too bad it doesn't include a group who ate mostly plants but included some meat, otherwise we'd have some useful information to work from.

Personally I think it's pants on head retarded to exclude an entire class of foods from one's diet simply because overconsumption of them can be unhealthy. That would be throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

>>11058230
Literally every bad thing about beef is nonexistent in eating or raising ostrich.

>>11058240
>>11058251
Oh really? Did you buy these ostrich fron the guy who sold Jack HIS BEANSTALK BEANS?

>>11058263
Heh

>>11058263
Fucking may as well have. Ostriches consume four times less water than cattle to produce one pound of meat. Ostriches don’t have a rumen that produces outrageous amounts of methane gas. Ostrich is low in cholesterol and saturated fat.

>>11058250
Does one statement mean 4 posts now? Nice.

>seriously
I did it seriously. You couldn’t think of anything intellectual if you ever could and whined about the word probably, “probably” because of your autism

>Too bad it doesn't include a group who ate mostly plants but included some meat, otherwise we'd have some useful information to work from.
What is not useful? Sedentary vegans are healthier than marathon running omnivores

>>11058263
I’d have actual respect for you if you said you just don’t want to contribute to an animal’s death. But you actually had the audacity to say ostrich is bad for your health or the environment.
TLDR get your facts bro

>>11058283
Oh no. Logic in a vegan thread? That's blasphemy

>>11058283
1/4 of beef is still a lot water. Waste is waste and you’re going to still needing to be produce a lot of ostrich while dedicating land usage to them. Why intoduce saturated fats and cholesterol when you don’t have to? Why go through all these obstacles when you cut out the middle man and actually be a good person for once?

>>11058331
>sedentary vegans are healthier than marathon running omnivores
The audacity of fat ass vegans.

>>11058333
Saturated fats, cholesterol, animal acids, and cooked meats are not healthy

Animal waste of any kind is not healthy

Get your facts, fag

>>11058331
someone sure is buttmad

>>11058363

>>11058351
>animals drinking water is bad.
Well, everyone's pets are in for a very bad time

>>11058351
It’s a lot less water than used to raise vegan “protein”. You actually need some saturated fat in your diet. You need animal amino acids. Cholesterol is a non issue if you exercise.

>>11058132
Why would a vegan care about non-vegans being used as slave labor?

>>11058362
Cooked meat is literally the reason we were able to evolve larger brains and complex thought.

>>11058362
You must be the worst dietitian ever

>>11055442
>If we transitioned to 100% nuclear power, what would we do with all the coal plants? Why bother transitioning to cleaner energy in the first place, given all the coal plants?

Vegan anons, why are you not enjoying yourself a few delicious mussels or oysters every once in a while?

If morals/ethics are the only thing why you are a vegan then there is absolutely no reason why you shouldn't eat them.

>>11058378
It’s a lot less water to give them water as well as growing crops and dedicating land to them? Why are you fixated on protein? Sorghum is probably one of the best all around non water intensive foods in general

>You need animal amino acids
Better warn all those vegans then hmmm

>>11058386
It’s literally not. Cooking foods to be able to eat them and eat more in general and get more glucose to our glucose dependent brains was far more important. Meat was a food in that. There was nothing magical about meat that made us get bigger brains.

>>11058388
Triggered?

>>11058410
Because veganism isnt flexitarianism. You don’t eat animals. Just because you think the animal is dumb and inanimate doesn’t make it right. Oysters have pre-ganglia anyways

>>11058428
>There was nothing magical about meat that made us get bigger brains.
Creatine.

plants are living creatures also

>>11058445
we got pills for that type of stuff plus that isn't even needed really

>>11058428
You’d be surprised how long you can go being nutritionally deficient.

>>11058362
It's funny how many doctors spend their evenings on 4chin.

>>11058440
>You don’t eat animals
They barely are animals at all.
Mussels and oysters are the closest "animals" to a plant, no pain receptors no brain no nothing, they are literally just a functioning nervous system and nothing else. And farming any of them is highly sustainable and safe with practically zero danger of ruining the eco system, farming them is actually highly beneficial for the environment because of their filtering of the water.
Packed in protein, minerals, B12 vitamins, omegas, basically perfect food for a vegan.

This is not some "meat propaganda" argument, there is a fair share of vegans that eat bivalves, you can make a basic google search I'm sure.

You just gotta be honest with your set morals

>>11058454
Those pills were invented by omnivorous scientists and engineers

>>11058484
how does that matter

>>11058428
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2008/04/eating-meat-led-to-smaller-stomachs-bigger-brains/
https://www.npr.org/2010/08/02/128849908/food-for-thought-meat-based-diet-made-us-smarter
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/next/evolution/eating-meat-may-have-paved-the-way-for-todays-6500-spoken-languages/

>>11058445
Cool myth

>>11058460
Cool argument

>>11058470
>B-But
No buts. Why do you think veganism means you can eat things that aren’t vegan?

Mussels and oysters have preganglia, thats pretty significant imo

>packed in things you can get from plant foods

>you gotta be honest
I am. You’re the only one attempting to sway otherwise

>>11058496
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/why-fire-makes-us-human-72989884

>>11058544
Why do vegans think they can get enough of what they need from just vegetables? What do you eat on a daily basis?

>>11058544
>Mussels and oysters have preganglia, thats pretty significant imo
Why do you think it's significant? No brain or pain receptors, why are you concerned about nerve fibers then?

>>11058367
Why do vegans think I chainsaw animals?

>>11058566
Because you can?

Vegans eat fruits, tubers, roots, and fungi too

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/19562864/

>>11058579
Because preganglia is a precursor to full nervous systems? It’s basically a nervous sysyem in itself. Why kill an animal simply because it’s developing?

>>11058591
What do you cook? Since this thread is supposed to be about that.

>>11058599
nobody is killing an animal *because* it's developing. The motivation is food and nutrition. And since it does not have a brain the argument about sentience doesn't apply.

>>11058608
I don’t really have specific dishes if that’s what you’re asking. I always like burrito bowls of rice beans, potatoes, peppers, corn, onions, tomatoes, hot sauce, and other assorted vegetables sometimes piling them into a tortilla

>>11058599
no brain no brain receptors no sentience

>>11058618
>semantic nitpicking
Its your justification for killing it

>food and nutrition
Which can be adequately and exceptionally satisfied through plant foods

>argument about sentience
What argument about sentience? Its animal or not

>>11058623
Confirmed for cooklet.

>>11058599
>>11058599
>Why kill an animal simply because it’s developing?
Because it has no brain, no pain receptors and no concept of "being alive" at all. And is actually good for you and for the environment to be farmed im great quantities.

And now we've entered abortion terroritory with your non argument. Are you pro life then? Why kill a fetus simply because it's developing?

>>11058633
>Which can be adequately and exceptionally satisfied through plant foods
B12, how do you obtain it if not through pills

>>11058588
I prefer raw untainted meat

>>11058633
why does it being a animal have to do with anything it doesn't have a brain it isn't sentient it isn't truly "alive"

>>11058599
Someone make this pic but with cheetahs instead of people

>>11058644
So you kill anything you pleas because it doesn’t have an outright brain despite pre ganglia?

>good for you
Delicious mercury and aluminum

>non argument
The argument from the beginning was animal or not. They are animals. You moved the goalposts to sentience which you’re making rapid generalizations on despite entirely dismissing preganglia

What are you even arguing? That oysters aren’t in the kingdom animalia or that killing life simply because it doesn’t fit your standards is suitable?

Im pro life everywhere. You’re pro death when it makes your fat face salivate

>>11058652
Unwashed foods and water like the animals we consume obtain that bacteria from. But thats mostly unsuitable so we ditch our obsession with “natural” things and do whats good for us through supplements and fortified foods

You can also synthesize it from your shit.

>>11058666
Because we’re talking about what’s vegan and what’s not? What dies sentience have to do with its biological status as an animal? The only person who was deflecting this into sentience which in itself is a tricky subject is you

>it isnt truly alive
But it is. You define alive as a completely complex subject of sentience in an attempt to try and catch me or something and get brownie points

Why do you ignore the significance of precursorsl neural systems?

>>11055415
>I need my safe space
>posts on 4chan of all places
Yeah

>>11058684
>So you kill anything you pleas because it doesn’t have an outright brain despite pre ganglia?
As a human being I can't help but kill other living creatures in order to survive. I do my best to minimize the killing, but I understand that it happens. I kill animals with brains too.

>What are you even arguing?
I saw a question posed so I answered it. That was my first post in the thread. This is my second.

>>Im pro life everywhere
No. You're not. Like everyone else you have a threshold where you prioritize other things above the enviorment. You're on the internet, for example. That has enviornmental costs: damage to lay cables, pollution to launch satellites, toxic runoff to mine the minerals for computer chips, more of the same as well as toxic waste generation for rechargeable batteries....etc. You obviously have something that you value more highly than that. Maybe it's social media. Or maybe pleasure watching videos or gaming. Maybe you have it for your job. Or to talk to friends. But there is some factor (or combination of them) that you value more highly than the enviornmental cost involved.

>>11058684
>What are you even arguing?
Like said, that bivalves have no brain, no pain receptors or the concept of being alive at all, that they are barely an "animal" at all and that farming them is good for the environment, so there is no moral/ethic problem with eating them.

Some plants that communicate with each other and other animals are almost more like "animals" than an oyster

If it wasn't for meat Rocky wouldn't have won.

>>11058724
You just sound psychopathic

>I saw a question
So you’re someone different? Understood. But you should probably read the reply chain to get the full context to understand why the question was redundant and irrelevant

>no you’re not
Yes i am. Me pointing out the fact vegan diets are objectively diet wise the best for pro life does not mean im unaware of the complexities of other aspects of life nor does that change the fact that veganism is actually very convenient

You can argue the benefits of electronics. You can’t argue the benefits of meat

>>11058730
>barely an animal
But still an animal which is why its not vegan to eat them. Do you need a picture to demonstrate this? Do you need audio to understand why precursoral nervous systems are relevant and are precursorsal?

>>11058428
kek. asparagus uses 201 gallons for 85 calories. For asparagus to get the same amount of calories as a pound of beef it would take 2787 gallons of water.

>>11058684
>Im pro life everywhere.
Do you eat strictly from your own garden? Because mass agriculture kills millions of rodents, insects, rabbits and birds per year just to secure the crops. Pedro doesn't give a fuck about veganism, he exterminates everything that can ruin his crops

>>11058758
>You can’t argue the benefits of meat
Sure you can. It's tasty. It's required for many classic dishes, some of which have social functions. And it's also nutritious: there are many vital nutrients whose most efficient sources are from animal-based foods. Those can be debated just like those of electronics (and electricity, and IC engines, and all sorts of other things that are common in modern society).

>>11058758
Careful with that edge Johnny boy

>>11058758
Antivenin is non-vegan because it requires the enslavement of animals. to create. Carnists accept that humans must use animals to survive and thus may use antivenin without guilt.

Fuck off with your inverted, poorly thought out recycled meme arguments.

>>11055765
>meat causes heart disease
>that giant as sugary drinks doesn't

>>11058794
https://www.theflamingvegan.com/view-post/Vegan-Mythbusting-1-Are-wild-animals-killed-when-grain-is-harvested-for-vegans

I do have a garden. Im not the one that maintains it. Harm reduction is an important principle and some things are inevitable no matter what. Regardless veganism is inherently one that reduces harm significantly over eating meat

>>11058804
None of your arguments are inherent to meat or vital to human functioning that can’t be substituted with plant foods.

>>11057901
Youre going for an overwhelming minority that is objectively harmful to everyone just cuz

Meats social functions are not remotely comparable to actual vital and actual life quality improving aspects of electronics

>>11058696
>vegans have to eat literally shit to not die from B12 deficiency
Hilarious

>>11058874
They dont. But i guess since you’re mentally 12 years old and saw something about poop you went into an ADD trance

>>11058858
Pesticides kill more than just insects. Anti gmo fanatics have slowed the progress for us to create genetically modified crops which can create natural pesticides that specifically target certain species. What we have now is a lot safer but if it can kill a person it can kill anything.

1. Name one health benefit of being vegan.
2. Post proof that veganism is actually achieving its ethical goals. For example a 100% lifetime-viable vegan diet that's proven to deal less harm to environment via production resources it requires and waste it leaves.
3. Post proofs that substitute vegan food production is better for environment than production of the OG food it's supposed to replace.
4. Explain why I should care about stupid animals that were breed specifically to be eaten.

>>11058858
>None of your arguments are inherent to meat
they don't need to be
>> or vital to human functioning that can’t be substituted with plant foods.
Substituted with a loss in quality perhaps

>>Meats social functions are not remotely comparable to actual vital and actual life quality improving aspects of electronics
That's entirely subjective. But regardless of which you consider more important, you have admitted that there are things you engage in which havea negative enviornmental impact which you feel is somehow justified. Other people do the same, they just have different criteria than you do.

>>11055415
Kill yourself untermensch

>>11058396
>>If we transitioned to 100% nuclear power, what would we do with all the coal plants? Why bother transitioning to cleaner energy in the first place, given all the coal plants?

The coal plants could be abandoned. The coal plants could be repurposed.
The coal plants could be demolished and the land used for something else.

What would you do with the millions of cattle, millions of pigs, and billions of chickens?

Abandon them? Repurpose them? Demolish them and find uses for their corpses? I don't think any of these options are vegan-friendly. So... would you just set them free? It doesn't take a genius to understand why this is a bad idea. Will you transport them to some large, uninhabited area? Even if there's a land that could sustain them, it would only be for a short time as introducing that many animals in any area is going to wreak havoc on the local ecosystem.

Your analogy is shit. Try again.

>>11057774
people used to live in caves, do you live in a cave? its called progress

>>11058566
because we can, you just must really dive into the nutrition so u wont be sick and then blame plant based diet. only thing i supplement is b12

>>11060407
people also used to eat fruits and vegetables during those times we shouldn't eat them either

>>11060528
fruit and veggies dont kill anyone

>>11060563
they do kill people everything can kill people even a tiny bit of water

>>11060574
something like this?

I find this thread funny because you always hear people say "vegans are aggressive" "vegans are pushy" etc. But look at this thread it's full of meateaters making fun of and insulting other people simply for fun. Kinda hypocritical.

>>11058608
A little bit of everything, risotto, pasta, vegetable stew, lentil soup, various salads, griled vegatables, vegan sushi and pizza. Vegan cuisine is actually really delicious and saves me a lot of money.

>>11060737
actually the first person to insult someone in this thread was a vegan >>11055451 and the first group of people to wish death upon someone in this thread we're vegans

>>11060737
i know right, i wanted this to be the thread of peace

>>11060767
Actually the first one to insult was this guy >>11055444 and the poster you linked may not even be vegan but find that idea funny and unlikely. I made a post once asking for a good ice cream on plant based milk. The post didn't even have the scarry word "vegan" in it or anything like that and 2/3 of replies were from people writing about ""the vegan cult'" and calling me ""soyboy"" etc. In fact this thread seems the same, you can see these guys >>11055558 >>11055720 >>11055726 >>11055734 contributing nothing to the discussion but posting some shit just to get a negative emotional responce.

>>11060784
im op, thats ridiculous that guy was offended by word Lebensraum, we are on 4chan ffs

>>11060784
that wasn't a insult and none of those people called you a cult or soyboy they posted meat trying to "troll" you

>>11060804
dude, just look how many people were triggered by pic of a guy enjoying cocktail

>>11060804
>that wasn't a insult
So do you consider any word an insult only when it's a vegan replying to you? In that case "edgy faggot" isn't an insult too, it's a standard sentence ending phrase for 4chin.
>none of those people called you a cult or soyboy
And I didn't say they did. I mention my previous experience with stupid people trying to "troll".
>trying to "troll" you
And that's exactly what I said "contributing nothing to the discussion but posting some shit just to get a negative emotional response".

Overall my point is that contrary to the popular myth of vegans being aggressive and annoying it's the other way around with people "trolling" and insulting vegans just for fun. In fact every even remotely "vegan" thread here confirms this statement.

>>11060817
the dude called op a fascist because op and his lebenstraum something heavily associated with nazi germany and fascists
>>11060809
half of the people who replied to that post doesn't really seem butthurt
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>>11060846
only summer reddit fag can cry about lebensraum

>>11060850
and only reddit wants safe spaces plus >>11055720 >>11055726 these two dudes did nothing wrong because op said meat eaters are welcome

>>11060936
No one wants safe spaces I was just pointing out meat eaters' hypocrites, because they don't seem to notice it themselves.

>>11060956
alot of people in this thread are hypocrites vegans omnivores and vegetarians