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I'm actually diabetic (T1) and didn't willingly destroy my endocrine system by binge eating. I usually don't eat carbs before noon because my liver releases a lot of glucose during the morning.

>>11051864
Holy fuck dude

exercise and eat real food from now on

>>11051864
Keep the drinking to a minimum: the kettle calls the pot black

Do you exercise?
I used to be pre-diabetic myself but exercising has helped me.
My diet is pure shit right now, not only do I eat a lot of sugary crap on a daily basis but I also have a lot of unhealthy eating habits- I skip meals frequently and mix dry fasting with binge eating. But I'm still doing fine, generally speaking.

If you don't exerise I highly recomened you start as soon as possible.

>>11051864
>How much should I be cutting carbs from diet?
How much are you eating now? Is it all refined carbs? Do you get enough fat and protein?

I didn't change anything and just eat normally. Type 1, though.

>>11051864
>my diet isn't the problem but I'm ore diabetic

You sound like my overweight mom who is eating herself to the 'betus but refuses to acknowledge how much she eats and that her diet is filled with garbage

Asian here. Not fat but heavily white rice centered diet put me in type 2 risk zone. Change your diet to 100g wheat/rice max a day and eat a lot of vegetables to get filling effect.

>>11051864
I eat about 100 grams of carbs total over a whole day on average I eat whatever I want in that range.
>>11051948
Same, pretty much except I prefer just to do one mid morning meal and a dinner. Mid morning is usually about 40 grams of carbs w/ lots of protein.

I usually make enough carb space for a couple of lagers a day. It's my vice, it makes me happy, I don't binge and I account for the 20-30 grams it attributes.

>>11051864
If you're honestly 160lbs at 6'1 (and I stress the honestly part, is this the official weight from the doctor's office or just a ballpark estimate you came up with yourself?) then they're probably just being overly aggressive in what counts as "pre-diabetic" nowadays. I have never once come across a *type 2* diabetic who was normal (and I mean BMI normal, not "lots of people are this weight and they don't look fat" normal) weight or underweight when their diabetes kicked in (after it kicks in sure, but that's just because their body is so broken that they can't even process sugar anymore and they just piss out all their excess weight almost overnight).

>>11052297
>diabetic thinks alcohol is just a little vice
say goodbye to your retinas my dude

>>11052312
I'm not OP but I will say it's uncommon sure, but one of my diabetic nurses husbands has a bad family history of type 2 and she said that he's already experiencing issues with it and he's 150 lbs. Diabetes type 1 and 2 are different but both can vary a lot person to person based on a huge number of factors.

>>11052312
weigh myself regularly on different scales, run around 158-164lbs

>>11052345
Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and say they're just being way too aggressive in what they're calling "pre-diabetic."
>>11052341
>Diabetes type 1 and 2 are different
Completely different, yeah. One is something you're born with that has nothing to do with your weight and the other is something that 99.9999999999999% of the time is because you broke your body with too much eating and have developed a really bad resistance to insulin.

>>11052329
More worried about my kidneys over the long haul but the liberating thing about a terminal illness diagnosis is that you definitely know it's going to kill you one day lol. Unless the heart attack gets me, or the cancer which actually runs strong in my family (fuck me type 1 and no relatives in the last 3 gens had it) gets me first. I didn't get diagnosed until my mid 20s so whatever dude.

>>11052355
Op listen to your doctors not some retard on a cooking forum who thinks he's an endocrinologist

>>11052356
fair point, at least you had the teenage years to be carefree

>>11051864
>No I'm not fat
Weird, due to having an aunt with diabetes who has always been really thin, I have never associated diabetes with fat people. I've seen her take insulin shots since I was a little kid.

Much of my cooking I've learned from her. Looking back, she just doesn't eat sugary crap due to vanity like most of us, it has been due to necessity. As the others have said, it is just about eating healthily and exercising.

>>11052362
he's not wrong though

>>11052356
Type one since 2011 here, Ran out of insulin on holiday because I'm a stupid fuck and didnt bring enough. I could feel my kidneys disintegrating and peeing after a period of high blood sugar sucks.

>>11052396
I work really hard to keep my blood sugar levels down. I haven't had a reading over 160 in months or over 150 in weeks. But I'm pretty active between work and workouts. I also supplement with a multivitamin and magnesium so my minerals are always up.
>>11052495
He's vastly oversimplifying and only getting part of it right. For instance type 1 isn't from birth always, I developed mine at 25. And yes even people who are otherwise physically healthy CAN develop type 2 even though they're about as atypical as my type 1 case. I'm guessing that OPs doctors actually ran blood draws and are looking at a lot more info than a height weight number and an eyeball diagnosis from a pic posted on the internet, please take your Dr. Oz definitions elsewhere. Why is it that when someone posts anything health related wannabe know it alls think they were asked for a second opinion diagnosis.
>>11052499
Fuck that's my biggest fear. I took a lot of extra when I went on my honeymoon and I get nervous af if I get down to like halfway on my last pen and I haven't got a call or text from the pharmacy yet. I went into DKA and spent 3 days in ICU shit scared me pretty straight off of foolin with high blood sugar.

>>11051864
how much you need to cut back on carbs depends on how you want to approach things.
it is reversible, but your doctor likely doesn't know how and would be hostile if you told him, all they know is to prescribe pills that make it gradually worse until they can prescribe shots that will make it rapidly worse. I have reversed it 3 times, first in '85, again in '95, and the third time this last feb. reversal isn't permanent unless you make the lifestyle changes to make it stick. but reversal will get rid of your insulin resistance and get your blood sugar back to normal, what you do then is up to you. In feb my A1c was 7.9 and my HOMA-IR score (insulin resistance) was a bit over 5, my last blood test my a1c was 4.8 and my HOMA-IR was 1.1, 1.0 is considered to be completely normal insulin sensitivity (no resistance).
There's a guy named Jason Fung, who is a nephrologist out of Canada that reverses it the same way I've always done it, but he has youtube videos (The Aetiology of Obesity etc) and some good books (The Diabetes Code etc). Once you get it reversed then you will need to decide whether to simply reverse it again every decade or so (what I've been doing) or make lifestyle changes to maintain it. One such lifestyle change is cutting back on carbs (the meme keto diet is your friend, it's not a meme for diabetics), the other is to eliminate between-meal snacks and narrow the time window each day when you eat, thus giving your endocrine system time to settle down and your insulin levels to flatline for a few hours. figure out which you prefer.

Duh only fat people can't have bad diets and get diabetes

Bump

Fasting should help https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/278264.php

I'm supposed to go have my blood checked for diabetes soon because according to my gf nurse I display all the signs of being diabetic. Always super tired, small bladder/pissing excessively, the insatiable thirst for ice cold liquids, eating swings where one day I won't eat anything and the next ill eat like 600lb man. I'm not too worried about it though because I've heard it's real easy to back off type 2 with a ketogenic diet. Maybe I should just go ahead and jump right into the diet and pray my symptoms go away. Sucks always having zero energy.

>>11055981
I should add that I'm 6'5 284lbs and end most nights with drinking 10-16 beers more on weekends. It's actually crippling when I don't drink beer for a day or two, vomiting, shaking, can't lay down flat, dizzy, etc.

do keto for a month, then go back to your doctor and have him do the measurements again

>>11055987
>obese binge-drinking alcoholic wondering where his diabetes is coming from

>>11055981
>>11055987
Clean up your diet and alcoholism anyways. Diabetes or not it's not a good way to live. Take a 4 day weekend and just purge yourself of booze until the shakes go away. They will.

>>11055978
>plz read my blog guise
fucking ketards

>>11055987
yeah I'm the same way, starting to get really worried about my pancreas because I'm shitting out oily orange water every time I take a dump

>>11051864
I got diabetes like a man. Trying to drink myself to death.

>>11056038
Drinking what? Mixed drinks? You have to drink 4 cans of beer to equal the carbs in one cola.

>>11056048
Straight rum chased with coca cola. Apparently it isn't healthy to drink a fifth of rum every night.

>>11051864
Best diabetic snack food

>>11056066
The rum kills your liver. The cola killed your pancreas. There's no sugar in straight liquor

>>11051864
stop eating for 2 weeks and you will have cured your diabetics.

>>11056032
Oh trust me it gets a lot worse, just wait until that day you shit out a big blood clot and you have to sit on the toilet for a few minutes to let the blood drip out otherwise you'll just keep soaking up blood with the toilet paper. I easily lose a few tablespoons of blood everyday from shitting.

>>11056072
Unironically healthier for you than bread

Carbohydrates and sugar don't cause diabetes.
>>11051864
Your doctor is an idiot.
>How much should I be cutting carbs from diet?
You shouldn't, unless you want heart disease while exacerbating insulin resistance.
>>11052235
>Asian here. Not fat but heavily white rice centered diet put me in type 2 risk zone.
Diabetes rates in Japan and China have shot up massively since the diet went from 80% carbohydrates (mostly rice) to 60-65% over a few decades. Looks like your theory is bullshit.

>>11056095
>T. Vegtard

>>11052297
that's 3 times the amount you should be consuming dude. you don't want to die a terrible death? cut out alcohol, cut out refined carbs. stick to fat and proteins. and EXERCISE. pre-diabetics can reverse course if they take action and become physically active and fix their dietary habits. being on dialysis sucks. you are literally forced to be chained to a machine for 4-6 hours a day, 3 to 5 days a week, just so you don't fucking die.

>>11056095
you can eat high carb/low fat and be healthy, or low carb/high fat and be healthy (assuming the ketofags are right and they may be, the keto diet is over 100 yrs old), but high carb/high fat is a killer, especially if very many of those carbs are from refined sugar.

>>11056135
>33 grams of carbs a day
>Implying I don't exercise and haven't always
>Implying I can reverse my type 1 beetus

T-thanks for the advice anon...

>>11056135
>pre-diabetics can reverse course if they take action and become physically active and fix their dietary habits
fixing the dietary habits is both sufficient and necessary to reverse even full-on type 2 diabetes. exercise helps but is really just futzing around the margins, it won't help unless you fix the diet, so fix the diet first and worry about exercise once your endocrine system is under control and your weight has come down - then exercise will be fun and not punishment.

>>11056095
>Diabetes rates in Japan and China have shot up massively since the diet went from 80% carbohydrates (mostly rice) to 60-65% over a few decades. Looks like your theory is bullshit
Mate, even cohort studies from Japan indicate robust relationship between white rice consumption and diabetus likelihood.
https://epi.ncc.go.jp/jphc/outcome/2418.html

>>11056165
My favorite posts are posts that disprove themselves

carbs spike blood sugar with triggers a feeling of satiety. This effect happens quickly so the person won't over eat. That is why starches do not cause diabetes.
Fat has the opposite effect, triggering binge eating. This effect is super magnified when paired with carbs. High fat, high carb foods like potato chips and cakes are diabetes fuel. So to avoid diabetes, eat mostly fibrous whole starches, like oatmeal, beans, good breads, and potatoes, and avoid fat at all cost.

>>11056448
Animal fat triggers the hormone leptin which is the satiation hormone. People should eat a balanced diet high in fiber within a healthy CICO range.

>>11056448
My favorite posts are posts that disprove themselves

>>11056455
all the terrible foods that people can't resist gorging on are high in fat - cookies, nuts, ice cream, potato chips, pizza, burgers, etc. All food will release satiety hormones, the question is how much and how quickly does this effect happen? With fatty foods, it's obvious the effects are delayed.

>>11056487
Am I being baited rn? Those foods are all mostly carbs except that burger buns CAN be found at about 30 grams, but most fast food chains add so much sugar to them that they go up to about 70 grams.

>>11056448
>carbs spike blood sugar
>That is why starches do not cause diabetes.
niggawut?

>>11056506
it's not difficult to understand. Over-eating causes diabetes. Having ones blood sugar spike is perfectly normal and healthy, and a normal person can deal with it perfectly. It only hurts someone who is diabetic.
>>11056501
those are all high fat foods and it is the fat which delays the blood sugar spike and causes over eating and diabetes.

>>11056487
Lol
>cookies
Lots of carbs in there
>ice cream
Also lots of carbs
>potato chips
carbs and more carbs. Hmm maybe there's a pattern?
>pizza
carbs
>pasta
carbs
>burgers
carbs
>fries
carbs
>soda
pure fucking carbs, 0 fat.
>cake
carbs
>candy
Pure fucking carbs
>beer
carbs
Obviously not carbs. Goddamn it must be the fat!

>>11056079
jesus...are you sure your liver hasn't gone cirrhotic or something anon? Pancreatic scares me the most because I had a family member die from it and you wither away in extreme agony. He was begging for death at the end, even with a morphine drip in his arm

>>11056533
No it's being fat which causes over eating. You're literally not supposed to eat your fill of ice cream and cookies and pizza you absolute mongoloid. All you've done is prove that food that everyone agrees is unhealthy is unhealthy not that carbs are good and fat is bad. Neither could anyone prove the opposite with those examples.

>>11056539
People sleep on beer and liquor causing diabetes but its like dude what do they think those carbs convert to, fucking fairy dust?

>>11056533
Clearly too difficult for you to understand. Fat does not delay the sugar spike, fiber does. This has been known shortly after fast inexpensive glucose tests were invented - type 1 diabetics depend on this information to calculate their insulin bolus. Which is why
>>11056472
and
>>11056506
are laughing at you.

>>11056448
God damn you are retarded.

>>11056571
This. Fat and protein actually gives a small but persistent rise in blood sugar which is why something like a glass of whole milk is ideal for a low blood sugar fix. (Had a retarded vegan nutritionist tell me to count milk like a juice lmao retard.)

>>11056539
fatty foods also increase the amount of insulin required to lower blood sugar levels. Diabetics all know that eating a high fat, high carb meal is terrible for them.

My advice, to eat fibrous starchy meals, is perfectly reasonable and you keto nuts are all mentally ill.

>>11056642
Why not just eat less of everything and not be a lard ass? It's worked for me. Still get to eat the kinds of food I like and my blood sugar is kept consistently under 140

>>11056642
>Diabetics all know that eating a high carb meal is terrible for them.
Fixed it for you.

>>11056642
>My advice, to eat fibrous starchy meals, is perfectly reasonable
It is reasonable - if you're not already diabetic. But it is reasonable for different reasons than you are claiming, and quite frankly your rationale for that type of diet betrays the stunted mental capacity of a vegan.
>>11056660
>blood sugar is kept consistently under 140
I hate to break it to you but you sound diabetic. At the time I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes my blood sugar was always under 140 as well. Now I've reversed my diabetes and my blood sugar almost never tops 120, and then only for a few minutes before dropping back into the 70's.

>>11056793
No shit I'm diabetic. I have type 1

>>11056660
>Why not just eat less of everything
Because while that sort of works for maintaining weight, it is very nearly the worst advice you can give someone who is fat or has type 2 diabetes. See the following study
>Persistent metabolic adaptation 6 years after "The Biggest Loser" competition.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27136

>>11056808
And 140 has been my absolute high. I stick to between 70-120 usually.

>>11056817
Morbidly obese people is a terrible cohort.