/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>11011585
rock sugar and roasted malt for flavour, high mash temperature for mouthfeel (more beta-glucans = higher viscosity)

>>11011585
If you like Gulden Draak you really should try St Bernardus abt 12

>Americans think this is top notch
its average at best in its category.
and you guys really think your own shitty breweries surpass the Belgians..

>>11011825
>its average at best in its category.

This, i've bought it in fucking Lidl before.

>>11011825
No one said it was a best. Just good. Dont be that fag who put words in other peoples mouth.

>>11011812
I'll disagree here, I was so hyped for St Bernadus 12 and was rather dissapointed but loved Gulden Draak, but, OP should try the Bernadus anyway, it's very highly rated and loved.

>>11011825
It is Belgian, dumb fuck

>>11011812
La trappe quadrupelle is great as well.

I also quite like piraat and samiclaus classic.

>>11012977
Additionally if you get a chance to try Pavel Kwak in the right glassware then you need to.

Like piraat it’s not a quad but it’s belgian and high alcohol... taste reminiscent of banana bread imho

>>11011825
oh yeah
name 5 better

>>11013394
Westvleteren 8/12
St Bernardus abt 12
De Struise Pannepot
De Dolle Oerbier
Achel Bruin

>>11013740
You forgot the king, Rochefort 10.

>>11012050
Don't be that fag that fawns over soybeer

>>11013895
>soybeer
What?

Holy fuck this is delicious

>>11013740
>abt 12
had it
nah. overrated meme beer

>>11013949
Trappists in general are overrated

>>11014043
You shut your whore mouth!

>>11011825
"Hey look everyone I just shited on all ya'lls opinion, what you gonna do?!?!?"

>>11013947
>2003 in here

>>11013890
it's good but abt 12 is better

>>11013949
>>11014043
t. double cheesecake frappuccino stout marketers

>>11013740
gulden draak is better than Pannepot by a long shot.

>>11013947
I couldn’t get through a six pack of that. I like stouts and I like bourbon but I don’t like them together. To each their own though.

>>11013947
Dragon's Milk is pretty much the most shit BBA stout there is. The only upside is that it's available year long, while most of the good ones are seasonal/limited.

>>11015436
stop projecting you beeradvocate-reading meme-beer drinker

>>11014111
>>11015436
Guys they really arent that great. I'd grab a bottle of la fin du monde over any trappist ale. Shitty carbonation, and overall disappointing. They arent bad by any means but dont deserve the praise they get

>>11013740
All of those beers are subjectively worse depending on your preferences, idort.

>>11013890
>Rochefort 10.
I can't stop drinking these now, they're so good. based /ck/ recommendations

Too sweet for my taste.

>>11015663
go tell that to >>11015666 desu

>>11015666
>la fin du monde
it's great, but westmalle is better
i'd take tripel karmeliet over both

thoughts on this beer? how did you like the 2017 version? what are you looking for in the 2018 version

>>11016229

I am curious about the taste of CBS especially after trying KBS. I was a bit disapointed by KBS as it was my first barrel aged beer and I felt it was a little over powering with the bourbon coming through.

Wouldn't mind trying this if it has less barrel and more maple.

>>11013947
Even Anderson Valley wild turkey stout is better than this stuff. It's like this weird mixture of sweetness and astringency. At first I liked it, but I think I had it warm or something and for some reason I really stopped liking it.

>>11016229
One of the best beers I ever had bar none.

Pic related is up there too

>>11016229
They aren't making 2018 dawg.

It was meme teir shit and I'm happy I made money off it. Had it in 11 and like most founders bba shit, they used to do a better job

>>11016469
You must really like shot beer then huh?

>>11016475
I hate most bba beer. but when they do a good job it is very uniquely rewarding

>>11016470
how much did you get for it? A hundred?

when I had it twice, I had it for free

>>11016355
it has a lot of maple on the nose, but not heaps on the palate

>>11016469
I was honestly underwhelmed by CBS 2017

it is the only CBS i've had however, and i opened it early this year so perhaps i didn't wait long enough

>>11015666
Ya I disagree, Westvleteren and La Trappe, I feel are probably two of the best breweries in the world. And a lot of the fake trappist's like St bernardus are amazing as well. As a style of beer its a smaller one, but receives probably the most awards. With Westvleteren 12 usually being named the worlds best beer.

>>11016516
I've literally been to Westvleteren and taste nothing different between it and Abt 12 on tap.

>>11016575
Yes, and before I also went to belgium last year, I thought the Abt 12 was the best beer I had ever tasted. So you saying that isnt really a rebuttal of any kind. Also I feel Westvleteren 12 has a bitterer taste to it. But they are by design almost identical.

>>11016616
>Also I feel Westvleteren 12 has a bitterer taste to it.

This. There is more of a spicy/bitter hop bite to westvleteren 12, other than that it's literally the same as abt 12. Strange that so few reviews I've read have pointed that bitterness out

>>11016697
When I drank, it at a bar in bruges, I ordered abt 12 at the same time so I could compare. Which I doubt most people do.

>>11016516
Idk I've tried them all multiple times, apart from westvleteren, and just couldn't understand the hype they get. Good beer? Yea. Best beer? Not a chance for me

>>11016516
La Trappe in my opinion is the least impressive of the Trappists, and I'm saying that as a Dutchfag who should be fanboying for the only Dutch Trappist. Rochefort 10 and Tripel Karmeliet take the crown in my opinion for their complexity. And Orval is in a unique category of it's own as an amber Trappist.

>>11015666
t. Satan

in case anyone wants it, here's the beer gen discord https:// discord. gg/ rqsxQdW
in b4 hotpocket mods etc

the discussion about belgian beer in this thread (or others) always make me think about how one always seen the grass greener on the other side of the fence
living near the border makes pretty much all these beers easily available (except for XII of course), and drinking them for years on made them pretty dull to me now. only belgian beers I buy now are gueuzes and stouts, I don't care about trappists or abbayes anymore except for drinking at parties

>>11018292
on a side note, I'm enjoying this a damn lot
a Gnam Gnam from Stillwater is in the fridge

>>11016516
La Trappe is commercialised mass-market shit though, Rochefort beats that any day of the week (although Isi d'Or is pretty good).

Westvleteren wouldn't be the worlds best beer if was available, now it's precious and therefore valuable.

>>11017242
Dutchfag here too, most Belgian stuff is indeed better than La Trappe. Tripel Karmeliet is an odd one in terms of taste, I don't really like drinking it for hours on end. It's the perfect beer to go with a sunday breakfast though, none of those heavy trappistes can pull that off.

>>11011825
>Americans
Wow, what an original hot take.

Just got beer from a couple lads:
>4x Kasteel Donker
>La Trappe Isi d'Or
>Rochefort 8
>Rochefort 10
>St. Bernardus 8
>St. Bernardus 12
>Straffe Hendrik 9
>Straffe Hendrik 11
Which ones should I drink first? I'm tempted to go out an buy a case of Kasteel Rouge, it's almost too hot for anything but kriek.

>>11018360
do you live in the southern hemisphere or near the artic line ?
because if you're not, it's way too hot for any of these beers

>>11018360
>Kasteel Donker
Way too sweet, though their Chocolate Quad is surprisingly good for what it is.

>>11018375
>can only drink flavorless beer in the summer
Who made this meme up?

>>11018409
it's not about flavor, it's about alcohol strength
I'd rather drink 5-6 5% pale ales in a hot day than trappists that don't refresh you and gets you heat drunk quite quickly

For me it's pic related

>>11018442
your thread is this way >>11002940

>>11018446

>>11018434
I just don't get the meme. I like drinking good beer of any style with little regard for the weather. In fact it almost makes more sense to drink strong dark beers in the summer because they get better as they withstand warming up better

>>11018453
How much time do you spend outdoors?

>>11018442
>>11018452
Let's try to get big with Starbucks' customers, the beer.

>>11018525
Not as much as I spend indoors, but I drink outside in the summer fairly often, especially at baseball games

>>11018525
What does that have to do with anything? I spend more time outdoors than most people in first world countries and I kinda agree with that guy. Then again I don't drink beer while hanging out in the hot sun nor do I drink while exercising, or as a "thirst quencher", because I'm not a degenerate raging alcoholic. All my drinking happens after sunset.

>>11018556
>What does that have to do with anything?
Because I've yet to come in from doing yard work out in the heat with a craving for a big beer, nor have I ever come in from blowing and shoveling snow wanting something crisp and light.
>>11018538
>especially at baseball games
Where can I drink strong dark beer while I take in a game, anon? Seriously, where? I might make a road trip.

>>11018594
>riding around on a motorized grass clipper and holding a snow blower is exercise
How much do you weigh?

>>11018594
>Where can I drink strong dark beer while I take in a game, anon? Seriously, where? I might make a road trip.
I'm in Milwaukee. I mostly was referring to tailgating, but they do have some dark though not particularly strong beers available inside (though not nearly as many as they have APA/IPAs and other lighter beers). Apparently they avoid most over 7%ish ABV beers

>>11018603
Not him. But there's more to maintaining your yard than mowing grass.

>>11018604
>tailgating
Damn. I'd hoped someone had beer like that in the stands.

>>11018556
>All my drinking happens after sunset
Me too! There's a sunset happening at some spot on this globe every second ;)

>>11016497
Yeah, 1200 a case. Apparently someone was getting 1500+ in Kentucky but i was happy with what I got. The bottles I have left were all given to me so I'm not big on selling and they look good in pictures and are handy when some retard drops the "omg have you ever heard of this" line. They make good gifts because of the perceived rarity but when it comes to cracking one I'll pass.

>in other news the cellar racking is almost done so the beer won't have to stay in the cellar closet with OP any longer.

>>11016479
Yeah, that's the thing. Most places have shitty barrel programs though and can be all over the map. Great stuff like brewery vivants barrel program (which is almost undrinkable fresh canned btw) or the bells black note/bba expedition or alot of the central waters stuff is harder to come by. I'd call most of the founders stuff very good, but it's rarely excellent. >>11016513
If you want a great maple stout the mikkeler in the picture is awesome. It's not bba but brewed with maple and is a fantastic beer.

>expensive beer

Good goy

>>11015721
I dont go by beer advocate. Most people dont even know how to rate a pils on there. Trappists just arent that great brah.

Anyone here /homebrew/? /ck/ used to have homebrew threads but I haven't seen one in ages. I guess they get moved to /diy/? Just started brewing hard cider.

>>11016355
See
>>11018763 for maple beer recommendations. Quoted the wrong post.

>>11018763
this one is awesome

How does alcohol work anyway? If I drink 2 ounces of 20 proof, is that the same as drinking 1 ounce of 40 proof?

>>11019272
yes

Proof is just twice the alcohol percent by volume

>>11019275
Well alright then

>>11018763
God, I can't even imagine having to live in flyover land and thinking you have good shit.

>>11019290
flyover literally the best place in the world for beer

>>11019290
It's not very hard after visiting the coasts

>>11013947
cut your fucking nails holy shit dude

I've started drinking some wheat beers because they don't have the bitterness/sharpness of lagers which put me off beers for the longest time.

Someone mentioned in one of these threads (or it might have been a friend) that they effect you way quicker than regular beer and I've just finished my fourth pint and it's really starting to hit me now. I'm not much of a drinker obviously (was hard to be with regular lager making me want to spew just from the taste) but even if I could force myself to drink 4 regular pints it wouldn't have effected me as much as 3 or 4 wheat beers have.

Is there any science behind the different kinds of beer (with same alc%) effecting you differently? I was 3 beers in and struggling to follow (or at least pay attention) to a TV series I'm watching so it's pretty substantial.

>>11019362
>Is there any science behind the different kinds of beer (with same alc%) effecting you differently
No, its almost certainly all in your head

>>11019371
Well, theoretically, wouldn't it get absorbed differently or at different rates based on what the alcohol is mixed with?

>>11019362
It's called being buzzed, you child.

>>11019362
Wheats tend to be higher in carbonation; and the NIH will tell you that higher carbonation speeds alcohol adsorption. What could more likely is that since they taste better to you, you're drinking them faster.

>>11019378
I think any effect would be negligible

>>11019362
>bitterness/sharpness of lagers

What kind of lagers are you drinking? Lagers are supposed to be crisp and slightly dry, and macrobrew lagers always cheap out on bittering hops.

>>11019386
Probably the correct answer actually, I can sit and stew on a pint of regular lager for an hour or two, I've been drinking these in 3 or 4 mouthfuls because they don't taste horrendous.

I tried a Hoegaarden which I was looking forward to and it was probably the worst of the wheat beers I've tried, others being Franscikaner and Patronus, but I've been drinking them pretty quickly compared to how I'd drink a regular beer (I guess if it takes me 1 or 2 hours to drink a regular pint I've basically had the alcohol flush through my system by the time the next pint starts to be consumed so it never really hits me)

>>11019391
I might be confusing my descriptors since I'm not so familiar with them since it tastes bad to me, I don't really know the difference between crispness and sharpness (might be a translation issue as well)

I can tell the difference between pepsi and coke for example but someone who's 45 and never drank either might struggle because they aren't as familiar, I guess is a similar scenario. Same reason all lagers taste the same to me.

>>11019397
>Hoegaarden
Wits have coriander and citrus in them, anon. They're not everyone's cup of tea.
>one to two hours a pint
Unless you're Tiny Tim, you never had any real amount of alcohol in your system, anon.

>>11019435
Coriander and orange peel is actually what I was looking forward to with Hoegaarden, but I couldn't taste either, it actually tasted more like regular lager than the other two I described (Franzikaner/Patronus) with that bitterness in the aftertaste.

I still need to try and source some Blue Moon but I don't have high hopes after being kind of let down with Hoegaarden. I guess I need to be much more familiar with the taste of wheatbeer itself before I can even start to taste any of the undertones let alone appreciate them properly.

>>11019435
Used to get my buzz through womens drinks (taboo, sambuca, rum and coke, orange and vokda, etc.) rather than lagers and what not, although I'll admit I haven't had any real amount in my in quite a few years (was completely sober for about 4 years until I started trying to enjoy craft beers a few months ago)

>>11019517
Hoegaarden is notoriously light tasting. Try a local wit. Blue moon is okay, and better than hoegaarden, but not the best example of a traditional wit beer.

>>11019554
He's knocking a beer down in three or four gulps, anon. He's not tasting anything that wasn't overused by the brewer.

>>11019290
What shitty coastal region do you want to pretend I cant get the best product out of by trading my regional cast offs?

You coastie niggers have no sense of value and are so used to paying way to much that I can do things like the aforementioned sale of a $300 case of beer for $1200. Niggers on the west coast will trade anything to drink some of that shit, and east coasters are always up for a trade. Its 2018 man, you can get anything from anywhere.

>>11019290
>>11019934
International beer is also easy to come by as we have a lively beer market and most stores fill the shelves with good shit. Also get fucked coastie elitist. Red is coming for yah

>>11019934
>pretend I cant get the best product out of by trading my regional cast offs

Who are you trading that swill with? I'm sure there are autists out here who view Untappd like pokemon go and will trade Pliny for some tap room exclusive 3 Floyds just so they can say they've tried everything, but getting skunked beer that's been flown half way around the country isn't anything to be proud of.

>>11019978
>skunked beer
>from a can

>>11019991
>canned beer isn't affected by the extreme temperature changes of being kept in a cargo hold at 30,000 feet

And if you ship it by ground it wont be fresh unless you get it shipped as soon as it's canned/bottled.

>>11019978
Elder is shit and younger you can't get (I can) so fuck off. West coast ipas are garbage. As you inferred from my beer selection I live in the heart of the country, not the fucking amazon (and I'm sure you could probably ship beer there in under a week if you put your mind to it.) I would also recommend that you learn about how beer degradation works before you try to talk shit like you have any knowledge or your opinion fucking matters. Drink whatever ernesto down at the bodega tells you is great while you flee the fires and let the big boys talk beer.

>>11019978
>but getting skunked beer that's been flown half way around the country
How long do you think it takes to fly across the country?

>>11020019
Even the most fragile of NEIPAs will last well beyond the time it takes to ship across the country

>>11020019
What the fuck are you talking about?

A) cargo is in a hold not strapped to the fucking wing. Notice how your fucking stuff shows up in one piece?
B) we are talking about beer from a brewery, with actual canning/bottling facilities not shit you cooked on your stove and racked into dirty bottles with loose caps. It can last a few days of transit just like it can last from the brewery to distribution. I'm guessing you haven't had a single day IPA or anything which you could notice a change from but I can assure you that I can, have and am able to get the east coasts finest here to the mitten in time that it's not degraded.

C) you still dont know how beer spoilage works, or that if it was in unpressurized cargo hold at 30k feet it would explode, so I'm guessing you are too stupid to realize how wrong you are to talk about shit you have no experience with.

>>11020054
>younger you can't get (I can)
>west coast ipas are garbage
>as you inferred i live in flyover

You seem to have inferred that I live on the West Coast, so why on Earth would you think that I can't get PtY? I basically live in the sticks, but there are 3 places that get a keg or two within half an hour of me. You seem bitter (pun intended).

>>11020071
>Even the most fragile of NEIPAs

NEIPAs are the worst fad to sweep the country.

>>11020118
Sure they are. Keep telling yourself that coastie.

>>11020161
>flyover doesn't realize that new england is a mostly coastal region

>>11018687
Man, I loved Doom. Wonder if Devil Dancers will be back, too...always thought that shit was yummy

>miss boltcutter for.realzies, tho

>>11011812
St. Feuillien Triple and Quad also.

>>11019302
they're not that bad

>>11020118
I inferred that you live on the west coast from your arrogance and insistence on make statements that are ludicrous from a position of ignorance. I cant tell if it's the stupid or the smoke I can smell from here but hopefully nature runs its course and you demonstrate your stupidity further by not following an evacuation and help make the world a better place.

>>11020173
What the fuck does that have to do with your stupid fucking statement? No shit.

>>11020190
A rumor is out that bolt cutter will be doing the frosty the snowman impersonation some time in the next 12 months.

>>11020233
It is pretty fucking smokey here right now. I only moved out recently after living in the Chicago area for a few years, after commuting between NYC and Providence for half a decade, after living in the PNW. The West Coast sucks for a lot of reasons, but it still makes the best beer in the world.

>>11020240
You defended coastie beer and then used "coastie" as an insult in the same breath.

>>11020261
Some of the best NEIPA is made in Michigan. It is a style named after a region, like midwestern ipa's: the best in the country. We insult coasties because they act like you.

>>11020261
All of california is pretty shit at beer. Oregon is great. Washington is solid.

>>11020280
San Diego has decent beer to be fair.

>>11020342
True. Sierra nevada and lagunitas are both consistent as well.

>>11020416
Anderson Valley, North Coast, Lost Coast, Mad River are all good too

>>11020422
And Fall River

>>11020342
>>11020416
>>11020422
>>11020425
My favorites are Bear Republic, Dust Bowl, Almanac, Mraz, Moonraker (doing NEIPAs before it was a thing out here), and Berryessa. If you go SoCal there are too many good breweries to name (Green Flash, Stone, AleSmith, Port/Lost Abbey, Modern Times, The Bruery...).

>>11020422
I haven't tried anything memorable from Anderson valley, even their gose series was sort of just okay imo, but north coast I agree. They haven't put out anything super new in awhile though. They remind me of great divide in that sense.

Firestone is another left off the list. All good. The cali fag who knows nothing about beer though is I'm guessing I'll equipped to recognize why.

>>11011585
I just had this. Definitely not for me, tasted like straight syrup.

>>11020538
>ill

Fucking phone post got me =(

>>11020261
>You defended coastie beer
I wouldn't exactly call rural Vermont "coastie"

>>11020342
San Diego has a lot of good breweries, but surprisingly bad beer selections at grocery stores and restaurants given what is nearby. A lot of cool beer-centric places to visit, but the beer is lacking at not specifically beer-centric places

>>11011585
I've already asked you to stop talking about that here

if you turn this shit into a meme so help me I will reee so fucking hard at you!

>>11013947
Tastes awful, and just drinking one bottle gave me a worse hangover than a fifth of whiskey does. Fuck that shit.

>>11020496
I like Anderson Valley's briney melon gose. Northcoast's seasonal berliner weisses are good.

For me it's the Duchesse

>>11018556
>Then again I don't drink beer while hanging out in the hot sun nor do I drink while exercising, or as a "thirst quencher", because I'm not a degenerate raging alcoholic. All my drinking happens after sunset.
If you have to place such strict and arbitrary rules upon yourself you can't be far off being one, or at least you have to be similarly lacking in restraint.

>>11021205
Fuck off hipster

>>11021275
tastes like balsamic vinegar, in a good way

>>11021275
If this wasnt so spendy I'd buy it a lot more

>>11021513
what ? it's about 6-7 euros for a 75cl one

>>11022501
Its $22-28 a 4 pack for 333ml in the states

>>11020019
Beer skunking is caused by exposure to light.

>>11020019
You understand cargo holds stay at about 44 degrees at altitude right? No? I'm guessing you also dont understand that things freezing in space is a function of depreasurization not conductivity as their is no conduction in a near vacume right? Your commonly held delusions about beer spoilage, atmospheric flight, logistics and the quality of beer in general really bring out doubts about not just your intelligence but your age and social standing. Who are you retard anon, and why do you keep making yourself a jackass in front of strangers on the internet?

>>11011585
Piraat by the same people is my favorite beer. Just so damn tasty.

>>11011585
I don't really like it desu.

anon, why aren't you drinking the best pilsner in the US?

>>11022501
Importing beer costs more

>>11012324
Oh, honey...

For me, it's Pabst Blue Ribbon™. The best cheap beer.

>>11020620
yeah not my favorite. really astringent and weird

>>11026235

This. Hard to beat an ice cold pbr tallboy

>>11026197
Ayyyy

>>11012321
>>11012990
>>11020206
I recently got back from a trip to Belgium and finally got to try some Westvletern 12, and I think I still preferred St. Bernardus 12, by a miniscule margin.
Any recommendations for belgians St. Bernardus and Chimay I might find in Austin, TX? I can't say I'm in love with Three Philosphers (though very good); and the only good Belgian I can find here is an occasional cask aged Chimay @$50/bomber

>>11020280
I have lived in Oregon for most of my life and definitely don't think Oregon beer is better than Californian beer. Realistically it is mostly pretentious yuppie shit and very amateurish/self-indulgent. Barley Brown's is consistently great. Deschutes is sometimes great but usually boring. But the rest is definitely less than great. Look at what's popular among "craft beer" people-- hophead IPAs, mostly. And over-hopped takes on styles where the piney hops seem inappropriate. And then silly "artisanal" approximations of belgian styles, for the New Seasons beer and wine aisle. Many Californian breweries are distributed and admired the world over; oregon beer culture is mostly just a circlejerk. It is a great state for distribution but it does not generate as much as it takes from elsewhere

>>11021275
Tastes like balsamic vinegar, and that's a good thing! Here's why:

guys don't you faggots know that beer makes you fat as fuck? I bet you guys are the same morons who complains daily about how they can't get women to like you.

>>11027533
I want vegans and straight edge faggots to fuck off.

>>11011585
Time to go for gold OP

>>11011812
based Bernardus

>>11026235
>>11026462
pleb alert

>>11027533
Me and my gf drink a lot of craft beer and are both skinny, you sound like a projecting insecure incel fuck

>>11029865
What does your gf's bull drink?

>>11011585
I'll just sit this over here.

>>11027533
This is actually fairly true. Gf and I are fairly active people, tryna get /fit/ but progress was super fucking slow. Realised we drank about 6 cans of beer/lager/cider 3 times a week. Cut that shit out for G&Ts and screwdrivers, finally seeing progress on weight loss.

For me, it's the grape beers from Dogfish Head. Their midas touch was great. I just had their mixed media and it hides the 7.5% abv very well. Wonder what other cu/ck/s out there think about these wine beers.

>>11031419
I take it you pay attention to what tonic water you use?

>>11031419
You traded carbs for carbs. Congrats

>>11019302
It's a woman lol, come on dude.

>>11031208

>peanut butter porter
Good. Keep it over there.

>>11013740
my man

I'll be honest I've not had Pannepot in a few years now but I've never enjoyed a drink as much as the times I've had that beer.

>>11015721
>i'd take tripel karmeliet over both

fuck yeah

Living in England, have some incredible European breweries at my fingertips.

Next year I have to move back to fucking Ontario, Canada where beer is ruled with the LCBO Iron fist.

I know there are some good local breweries there, but they're certainly not as accessible

Feels shitty man.