/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>10904615
Your steak is shit, and will remain shit until such time as we can grow and exercise steaks on robotic meat skeletons in bioreactors. The End.

Looks like someone gently blowtorched a whole fried potato.

Why is it unethical to eat steak?

I don't eat food for it's looks, I mostly eat it for it's taste. The steaks I eat are also healthy enough, in the amounts I eat them, that I don't really care about the health aspect if it means I have to give up flavor. Sorry OP, I just like the taste of real meat too much. I've tried a lot of substitutes via a vegan friend and while they're not anywhere near bad in of themselves, they're not really anywhere near close to being an actual substitute for meat in terms of taste.

If you don't want to eat any on ethical that's fine. No, really, I'll have no problem admitting you're likely a more ethical person than me, and you're doing a good thing for the world. I'm still gonna keep eating my actual steak though.

>>10904651
And I like fucking your five year old daughter's pussy too much. Sorry, that's just the way it is.

>>10904615
i like to eat animals, their "suffering" means nothing to me. they lack moral agency so there is no ethical dilemma. this argument is moot.

>>10904615

You’re right, I’d have never guessed it was a vegan “steak”, because it looks like a potato pancake or something.

>>10904676
That's illegal though.

>>10904615
Yea I bet it's much more "healthy" but why should I care about animals suffering?
I mean we can agree that human lives matter more than animal lives right?
So if I spend more money to buy vegan food, than why don't I just eat meat and instead donate my money to organizations that help kids live longer?
Also "This steak is vegan. But you'd never know it..." I wouldn't have even guessed it's a vegan steak, looks more like a cow paddy.
Oh and one last thing steaks are when you cut against the muscle fibers on meat, so that's not even a steak, that's a shitty vegan abomination.

>>10904632
it’s not

There is nothing unethical about a sapient predatory species consuming the flesh of a prey species they domesticated to be a source of food.

>>10904615
Bahahhaha vegan, what a faggot, i bet you suck cock too

>>10904615
its not a steak, its a "steak-like thing"

>>10904868
you're being generous. it isn't even very steak-like, its just his poor vegan brain is so shriveled that he now has the cognitive abilities of a child that still thinks play-doh is food.

pathetic display of meat envy.
you notice you never see meatatarians trying to make their steaks look like brussels sprouts or celery stalks.

>>10904615
>literally 300x healthier
I'd laugh heartily along with everyone else.
>completely ethical
reason #217 why vegans are hypocritical retards. you are indirectly but wholly responsible for the murder and butchery of the plants that went into that ... thing ..., and for what? so you could larp as an omnivore? that's completely and utterly degenerate, and you are a morally bad person for doing it, but bragging about your ill deeds with no remorse whatsoever takes you right into the levels of actual unalloyed evil. may god have mercy on your soul, for your fellow men will not.

>>10904615
>But you'd never know it...
what are you on about

>>10904615
>How can you tell a vegan steak
>They'll tell you.

Fuck off.

>>10904615
>What if I told you
Then you'd be a liar, as members of the vegan cult so often are.

>>10904814
>I mean we can agree that human lives matter more than animal lives right?
You'd be amazed what some (((People))) will try to debate.

>>10904868
Its a vegan steak.

However, it should be well known by now that "Vegan" as a qualifier is a bit like putting "Trans" in front of somebody's gender:
It means that every word which follows is a lie.

>>10904615
Probably tastes like shit tho

>>10905259
It takes way more plants to make an actual steak than it does to make that imitation so not hypocritical at all since the vegans are making a good-faith move to minimize their impact.

Looks like someone decided to take a dump on hot pavement.

>>10904615
I'm not going to say I wouldn't try a vegan steak, but if I was served something that looked like that, I would be really disappointed.

>>10904615
Vegans will always be the greatest argument against themselves since they insist on creating pale imitations of real foods (as if to demonstrate how awful it is to live without meat)

>>10904615
Cost. Vegan shit in stores is more expensive than meat. I'd buy it if it was cheaper.

>>10905461
>good-faith
they're doing to for personal aggrandizement and virtue signalling. that's pretty much the complete opposite of "good faith"
but if it helps you sleep at night knowing that the amazon rain forest is being cut down to grow your food crops, hey just keep believing in your "minimize the impact" myth, its no more harmful than the christfags belief in transubstantiation, except for the rainforest but who cares about that amirite.

I don't even like steak and I eat meat every fucking day

>>10905516
Not sure what kind of country you live in, then. All the vegan ready meals are cheaper, just the meat is cheaper and shit like cauliflower steak is cheaper.

>>10904615

I thought it looked off, real dry, but I guess it's because it's vegan.

>>10905540
>I don't like steak

>>10904615
regular stake is completely ethical

>>10905558
it sucks. get over it, faeg.

^ You're not the faggot I replied to, so stop baiting, cunt. Not even gonna give you the (you)

>>10904615
>What if I told you it was literally 300x healthier than a regular steak, and completely ethical?

Then I would tell you it isn't actually steak and tastes like ass.

>>10904615
i would like to see a cross section

>>10904615
>What if I told you it was literally 300x healthier than a regular steak, and completely ethical?
I'd tell you that you're literally 300x more retarded than the average person.

>>10904615
>This steak is vegan. But you'd never know it...
fortunately for everyone, we have vegans to tell us constantly

>>10905693
they're trying very hard to convince themselves. they're practically the trannies of the food world.

>>10904615
Anon, covering a roast potato in poz cum then frying it isn't vegan.

>>10904615
The African genome or genetic structure produced a body that was highly electrical, healthy, and strong. Consuming a diet centered on the consumption of electric foods supported the healthy expression of the African genome.

I thought you guys cared about global warming and shit. You directly contribute to the acceleration of climate change when you consume meat.

I'm not telling you not to eat meat, just don't complain about climate change if you do. If you already don't give a shit about it, carry on and eat it.

>>10905899
>You directly contribute to the acceleration of climate change when you consume meat.
not enough to matter.

I do give a shit about climate change, I just don't see meat having an appreciable effect on it. It's like trying to bail out a sinking ship using a thimble.

>>10905899
Plants break down CO2 in the environment. By directly eating plants and vegetables you are destroying the atmosphere with CO2 poisoning.

>>10904615
>ethical
Don't let me see you nearan almond now.

Also plants are sentient. The bar for sentience is extremely low

Any one eat grass fed beef? its texture feels different to the USDA old dairy cow at the grocery store.

Any one confirm?

If you vegans hate meat so much why are you always trying to imitate it
Make your own goddamn food go chew on some grass or some shit like your beloved cows

>>10906167
It tastes different but too lean. I prefer grain fed raised then finish with grass fed before slaughter

>>10906208
>if you dont like the idea of meat why are you eating something that isnt meat?

>>10905528
It takes far more ground to grow feed for 1000 calories of beef than it does to grow 1000 calories of any crop. Loads of that cleared rainforest is being used for grazing and more yet to provide feed for food lots. How do you not get this.

>>10906251
You are right we should remove most of the worlds population so this wouldn't be a problem.

>>10904615
> But you'd never know it...

You can tell immediately that something is wrong with that steak. It looks like shit just like vegan burgers. There is a big visual difference.

Also kill yourself PETA shit.

>>10904615
You know that plants are living things too right? Just because they aren't cute looking animals doesn't mean they aren't alive and feel. You are unethical for killing them.

>>10906251
Why are south americans so stupid?

>>10906251
What you're missing is that cattle can be raised on land that is unsuitable for growing human crops.

>>cleared rainforest
that's an entirely different problem, and a bad one at that.

>>10904615
This is the food and cooking board. Not shoving chemicals down your throat board.
I wish Mods would delete these kinds of thread

I have been just keeping my mouth shut when my mom mocks my veganism. Or in her mind it just a joke. It is beginning to really piss me off. I have told her before that I do not like those type of jokes but, she continues. I don't feel like talking about it to her again if she is just going to still do it. I have never made fun of her Religion or joked about it. Yet she does it to my vegan belief. I am almost tempted of pushing back. Make jokes about her religion. But, then that would only add to the fire. I don't want to hate my mom nor do I want her to hate me.
What should I even do...?

>>10906345
>DAAAAH CHEMICALS!!!

>>10906272
>hurt durr if you can’t fix everything all at once you might as well do nothing

>>10906325
Everyone doing it thinks they’ll die before it’s a problem for them and don’t care what comes after.

>>10906332
I didn’t raise the rainforest canard. You’re correct, and that’s probably how we should raise meat, but even that has a major impact on the land where the cattle are grazed.

>>10906332
Its more to do with dedicating acres of crops for feed for cows rather than for human consumption. And no not all or even most grazing land is unsuitable for anything else

>>10906332
What you're missing is that the insane amount of cattle in the world are causing global warming due to their methane production. A plant based diet is better for beef cows, better for the environment, and better for you too!

>>10906380
I'm not missing that at all. I'm completely opposed to industrialized farming of any sort, and I only buy 100% grass-fed beef.

My point is that there is a lot of land which for various reasons cannot be practically used for growing crops for humans, but cattle can eat the native plants grown there. And as long as the number of cattle on the land is reasonable, can do that job forever.

>>10904615
>300x healthier than a regular steak

Prove it from a nutritional point of view and with a longitudinal study spanning decades which demonstrates this compared to regular steak across a large group representative of the wider population.

>and completely ethical

It is ethical to consume animals for our own sustenance though so in no way can your 'fake' steak be 'more' ethical.

I bet it tastes bad too.

>>10906348
Ignore her comments. She will stop once she realizes she isn't getting a rise out of you anymore. Plus, you're better than her, so that should make you happy.

>>10904676

Is this how a vegans brain operates when it comes to logic and aspects of what is socially legal and moral?

>>10906398
oh youre so quick and smart i bet youre REALLY handsome

>>10906399
I have no f***ing idea as to where my parents stand regarding vegan diets. 1 day it's, " Matthew, we got you some soy milk from the shop and I picked up some flaxseeds and soybeans" and the next it's "Our roof our rules! No vegan diets as long as you live in this house." Honestly, I think there's no hope, in regards to trying to convince them that vegan diets are healthier and more ethical, let alone vegetarian diets. Is there any way you guys think I could convince them?

>>10906398
How and why do you think it's ethical to kill an animal so you can eat? Why should that animal give up it's life for you? With so many other nutritional options, there is absolutely no reason to eat meat.

>>10904814
>but why should I care about animals suffering?

It's a stretch to say they suffer even. Maybe certain current farm practices do contribute to an animals suffering but other alternatives exist which are entirely non-harmful to the animal albeit more expensive and requiring more oversight. The 'death' of the animal also usually involves a stun-gun to knock the animal unconscious before killing them - again pain free.

The 'suffering' argument is not an argument to stop eating meat but rather a criticism of farming practices which can be changed and as well we can still eat meat.

>>10906416
lol nice bait

>>10906413
A thought experiment:
I somehow build an army and conquer all of Europe. I decree that, since I am the conqueror of Europe, it is my right to kill and eat any European living within my conquered territory. Not only do I have that right, but all of my descendants will have the birthright to do the same.

Hundreds of generations later, my descendants are still the rulers of Europe and still eat and kill Europeans whenever they crave to do so. Do you think my descendants have the right to do so? Do you think my descendants are immoral for doing so? If not, what exactly do you think the relevant difference is, between this thought experiment and your argument that we, as conquerors of the planet, have the birthright to eat meat

>>10906451
What is this? A thought experiment for retards?

>>10906413
>How and why do you think it's ethical to kill an animal so you can eat?
I realize that it's impossible to survive without my life causing the direct and indirect deaths of other living things. The idea of killing an animal to eat it does not bother me.

>Why should that animal give up it's life for you?
It's called the "food chain".

>>With so many other nutritional options, there is absolutely no reason to eat meat.
Animal products taste good. They are also the most bio-available sources of many vital nutrients. I am aware that various modern technologies try to emulate this, but in my opinion they aren't there quite yet. I'll trust in my body before anything else. I have experimented with going vegan, BTW. Back when I was a senior in Uni. I did it for 8 months. I noticed a drop in my energy level, academic performance, and my performance at the gym. The first one could be entirely subjective, and the second might be explained away by "harder classes that year". But I logged my gym routine religiously back then and that part was no joke. I lost about 30 seconds on my mile time and about 5% or so on my 5RM across the board except for my grip.

>>10906451
>If not, what exactly do you think the relevant difference is,
Animals =/= humans

>>10906416
>The 'suffering' argument is not an argument to stop eating meat but rather a criticism of farming practices which can be changed and as well we can still eat meat.

Agreed here. I am 100% opposed to factory farming, but thankfully we don't have to resort to that barbaric shit in order to eat meat. And as a lover of meat, the last thing you'd want is factory farming if for no other reason than that of taste. The better an animal's diet the healthier it is the better the resulting meat becomes. We should treat farm animals well and feed them the best food possible if not for ethical reasons, than for reasons of flavor.

>>10906495
We don't have to resort to the "barbaric shit" of killing an animal and eating its flesh either. I'm quite positive that if people in modern society had to either kill animals or gather plants to eat, most would be eating plants. Ending something's life is not an easy thing to deal with.

do vegans eat car milk?

>>10906481
Indirect deaths is a complete different concept from direct support and direct consumption

>the food chain
And what legitimizes this as a reason?

>it taste good!!
Literally a child

>most bio available
Of certain nutrients. Vegetables have way more phytonutrients, polyphenols, and nutrients top to bottom

>in my opinion
That doesn’t matter. There is “technology” whatever the fuck that even means

>>10906504
I think its less about "cruelty" and more about the idea of consent. Animals cannot give freely give consent (at least, not oral consent lol). Similar to pedophilia, children cannot freely and informatively give consent.

Also I don't know (I suppose I would have to research every single case of beastiality to really determine this) but I think that the human engaging in the activity (especially w/ a large animal) usually ends up injured or dead, and clearly theres harm there.

Overall I agree with everyone: I don't think people really care about the animal.. Cruelty is not why its objected to; the fact that its a major taboo is.

>>10906526
>Literally a child
>implying only children do things that are enjoyable
As with many cult members, you are obviously a joyless zombie, filled with nothing but the solemn duty to your moralist crusade.

Killing you would be a mercy (and would make the planet that much more sustainable).

>>10906368
cows don't need "feed" fucktard, this may come as a surprise to you, but what cows eat is something called "grass", which is undigestable by humans, and which grows abundantly in areas that will not crow human-edible crops.

>>10906485
shhhh -- thats far beyond the cognitive ability of shriveled vegan brains. you'll confuse them and they'll start reeeeeing and throwing buckets of poo and fake blood on people again.

>>10906530
I taught sign language to a goat and it said it wanted me to kill it and eat it.

>>10906539
jewdan petuhsun my favwit daddy two!!

i only want my meeties!

>>10906504
>We don't have to resort to the "barbaric shit" of killing an animal and eating its flesh either
You're right that we don't have to, but I'd rather not shoot myself in the nutritional foot. Furthermore, I don't consider it "barbaric" in the slightest if the animal lives a happy life and is properly slaughered without pain and suffering.

>Ending something's life is not an easy thing to deal with.
I am well aware. I have been hunting and fishing since a young age. I grow my own veggies and keep chickens, so I sometimes have to deal with pest animals as well. I have no problem with killing, butchering, and eating an animal. I will never forget the first time I shot and butchered a deer, or the first time I caught, killed, and ate a fish. But that said, it's just one of many meaningful events in a person's life, nothing to be worried over.

>>10906540
it may come as a surprise but a vast majority do get “feed” you enormous fucking retard, whether they need has nothing to do with what actually happens you obtuse nigger

>>10904615
that doesnt look like steak at all.

>>10906548
It's not essentially wrong if it isn't harmful to anyone, but there is an immense taboo attached to it which should not be disregarded. Even if there was no harm, it's very likely that vegan advocates who support bestiality will hurt the movement by pushing it closer to that "extreme" edge. I believe more people will be deterred from becoming vegan if vegans support bestiality, and it's more important to increase the number of vegans than make it ok to have sex with animals.
Not to mention, it may not be possible for a third party to determine whether the animal consented or not in many cases. If it's made legal, more people can freely rape animals.

>>10904615
Food has to
-have nutritional value
-be tasty
-be affordable
thats it, I don't care if the stake is real or not, if it's tasty, does its job of feeding, and is not 3x times the price of a real one, I have no problem with it.

>>10906526
>Indirect deaths is a complete different concept from direct support and direct consumption
not in my opinion.

>And what legitimizes this as a reason?
Empirical observation.

>>it taste good!!
>Literally a child
I literally don't care. you asked for a reason and I gave it to you. If you didn't want to hear the answer then don't ask the question. I also noticed that you conveniently ignored my more elaborate answer.

>>Of certain nutrients. Vegetables have way more phytonutrients, polyphenols, and nutrients top to bottom
Agreed. I'm not advocating a meat-centric diet. People do eat far too much meat in general. I am advocating a low-meat diet, especially highly nutritious organ meats.

>>There is “technology” whatever the fuck that even means
Can you name a vegan source of Vitamin A that is as bioavailable as that from liver? What about a source of Omega3's that can compete with fish? My point is that there are vegan options available, but they aren't as good as the natural ones.

>>10906451
Not a vegan, but you bring up an interesting point. Carnists argue they are superior to all other animals by virtue of intelligence, "soul," sentience, etc., which gives them the right to kill and consume other animals which reduces the human to the same level as any other apex carnivore who they claim lack those very qualities. Those qualities supposedly placing humans above other animals do no such thing if they aren't used to transcend the lust for meat which exists in any carnivore. The carnist himself proves by his own argument human superiority to other animals is clearly false and thus his entire assertion crumbles to dust.

tl;dr carnist logic btfo

>>10904615
>we eat steak because of how it looks
Huh

>>10906554
To add to this: most field crops are produced solely for cow feed, rather than human consumption

>>10904621
You might be able get close to beef with 3D printing. Print strands of some protein goop to emulate muscle fibers, then covering them with meat glue to keep them separate and provide some structure, and printing marbling with refined coconut oil.

>>10906582
I was assuming, that since those varieties used for animals are are not in the market for human consumption, they are not edible. Those crops can after all, be produced on more types of land, so it would make sense to me that those would be the go to choice if they were edible. Is it the processing of the varieties for livestock that is more expensive than the human ones, or do humans not enjoy the taste or something?

>>10906595
How do you expect it to taste like beef if you are using refined coconut oil?

"close" my ass....

>>10906638
Humans cannot digest cellulose, cows can.

>>10906551
Who in their right mind would think anybody but a child made this post?

looks like a slightly burnt tuna patty

I will admit it makes me hungry for a tuna patty right now.

Taking a shit from this vegan steak would be a million times better than the shit taken after eating a real steak

I was at a family birthday party and people were passing a big stack of grilled meats around. We were sitting so close that the meats were basically 1-2cm away from my face at that point, and the stench of burned flesh was really nauseating. Then I also realized the meat juices from the tray had spilled onto my plate -__-
Maybe I'm too sensitive, but the whole thing pissed me off, especially because it was family and I have explained how eating meat is not a personal choice about 1 billion times.

>>10906573
>not in my opinion
Which is trash

>Empirical evidence
Literally not an argument just stating that alone

>I literally dont care
Feeling your bones crush between my hands would feel better than anything

>rah rah my opinion my temple
Dont say stupid shit if you dont want to be called a stupid shit

>my more elaborate answer
Elaborate is not a substitute for substance

>from the liver
Can you name a more Hypervitaminosis food than liver? Omega 3s wont be helpful when heavy metals are floating around inside you

>>10906661
Lol nice one, dumbass >>10906661

>>10906647
Fiber is still pretty beneficial, especially for gut bacteria for insoluble fiber

>>10906731

>>10906739
Nobody is denying that. The point was to explain why certain crops are not eaten by humans. The answer is that they are totally indigestible to us.

>>10906741
Hold this L while you got my D in your hands

>>10906744
Of course. But some stuff like feed corn which isn’t normally thought to be consumed is digestible when cooked properly

If I had lived in the U.S. during the time of human slavery, and I were an abolitionist with slave-owning family, would I have been willing to go to slave markets to purchase slaves on their behalf (with their money)? No. Absolutely not. So in the context of animal slavery and the products derived from it, why would I be willing to ever purchase nonvegan food for anyone, even if it's for them, and they're ultimately paying for it? What are your thoughts on this? Would you ever purchase anything nonvegan, such as paying for your date's nonvegan dinner or going on a grocery run for your parents (or other friends/family members)?

>>10904676
>pussy
pusy*

>>10906767
Im a firm believer in anarchist-oligarchal fascist vegan capitalism

>>10906767
You can't equate slavery with the meat market. People didn't eat the spaces they bought.

>>10906785
*slaves they bought

>>10906792
How the fuck would you know faggot...did you actually ask them?
>I think not...

>>10904615
What if I told you that your full of shit? I have tied the various veggie burgers and hotdogs, I don't hate them but they aren't the same as the real thing. Your honestly hurting yourselves lying about the taste.

>>10906798
Slaves cost the equivalent of $40,000 today, so I'm sure there were less expensive foods to buy then.

>>10906809
OP made no mention of the taste, retardo

>>10906816
$40k is pretty cheap desu...I'd be into buying a couple to have around the house...

>>10906582
prove it

>>10906838
Purple is feed crops for animals and green is crops for human consumption. India's got the right idea.

It didn't take much honest investigation for me to realize that speciesism and carnism both completely collapse under the smallest level of scrutiny, much like religion, and I after a bit of research I eliminated meat from my diet and other animal products shortly after. However, while the dietary change has been easy for me, I've had an extremely rough time dealing with my sudden awareness of animal rights issues. Nearly everywhere I look, I see reminders of the enslavement of my fellow animals and of my powerlessness to do anything to put an end to it. Every day on my way to classes I walk by a Chick-fil-a construction site which proudly displays a picture of a cow wearing a sign reading "Eat mor chikin." Every time I order a vegan meal, I see dozens of other people gladly handing money over to the animal exploitation industries for meals consisting of meat and dairy. It seems I can scarcely watch a video on youtube without some reverent mention of bakon, the almighty idol of the omnivores. All around me, I see a dogmatic worship of animal products, and I feel as though it has been wearing down on me in way that religion never has

>>10906869
based and redpilled

>>10906869
You're doing good, anon.

>>10906638
Those farmlands could have been used to grow human edible plants instead.

>>10906869
speaking of dogmatic worship, I'm wondering how your brain is going to react when you apply a little scrutiny to your precious pocket idol. once you learn about the slave labor that produces it, the environmental damage caused by mining the rare-earth minerals used to make its chips and screen, the high amount of toxic waste generated to make its battery, and even the poisonous leftovers that it becomes once you've discarded it up to upgrade to the new preacher...I mean model.

But go on and tell me that all that is justified because you "need" your fix.

I love GOT but i'm pretty sure they kill some animals at least for authentication or whatever. The furs alone! But not just that the deer Tywin was skinning, pretty sure that was real, the various rabbits and pigeons....

If its wrong for animals to die for unnecessary consumption then it is wrong for them to die for unnecessary entertainment of any kind.

So, im conflicted I will watch the show but if what I said is true I should boycott it just like animal foods in my life.

Do you people have issues with this? It seems like we should. Or maybe all the instances of seemingly real dead animals were just fake props and I'm whipping myself for nothing.

>>10906876
Superman does good, anon is doing well.

>>10906902
A large amount of literature exists for explaining the dog and the frog but much less to explain the dog and the Smartphone. I chose the Smartphone because it is the highly technological item that has at once become our friend, mentor, assistant and dare I say the interface to our loved ones, our past, our present and the list is long. Add to that the fact that we have started to personalize it to the extreme whether externally or internally. On the interfacing relations ship it has eyes ( camera ), it has ears and a mouth ( microphone and speaker ), it has form and shape by demand ( a display ), it has touch ( touch-sensitive screen, fingerprint etc. ), it has emotional interactivity ( shows us the things we like ), and the list is long but so far there is more than enough to ask the title question, is a Smartphone sentient? In other words does it have senses and does it interact with them through emotional intelligence? Shocking as it may seem the description above seems to indicate that it definitely does.

>>10906913
No, he's doing GOOD by not eating animals, because it's a GOOD thing to do. Thanks for trying though.

>>10906859
oh look at the mspaint project. try harder faggot -
I grew up in one of those purple area and it's all cotton and rice, neither of which are feed stocks.

>>10906978
Keep being ignorant then

>>10904615
>healthier
what does that mean?

>>10906994
cows cause cancer

>>10906902
>whataboutisms

>>10904676
Hey, me too!

>>10906898
Why would that be a good thing? Vegetables are already dirt cheap in case I ever want them.

I caught a bit of a farming show today, one of those Countryfile type programmes. And a cow had to have a caesarean and the calf was unable to stand, and the cow wouldn't bond with the calf. The vet and farmer realised the calf had problems with it's legs and put some splints on. And the poor thing was struggling and distressed, and all the effing farmer could say was 'It's a shame, because it's a big calf'. This poor baby animal was in distress, couldn't walk and being rejected by it's mother. And all he could only think about this beautiful baby animal in terms of size and monetary gain. I just couldn't get my head around how cold he was. I am so thankful I am vegan, I am so glad I'm not lining their pockets any more. How could anyone speak that way about a day old baby who was struggling and in pain?

>>10906575
And yet we are not being eaten by lions.

>>10907028
I would still like to see even cheaper rice and wheat.

>>10907068
I'd like to see rice and wheat become more expensive. I don't eat that much of it, so smaller bags would be more convenient to buy and easier to carry.

>>10907031
>in terms of size and monetary gain
FYI: the size of a calf when its born has nearly nothing to do with how much it will weigh at slaughter. that's determined by its feeding. The size does, however, correlate very well to its chance of survival in general.

I think you saw callousness and cruelty because that's what you wanted to see, and had little understanding of what was actually being stated.

>>How could anyone speak that way about a day old baby who was struggling and in pain?
They've seen it a thousand times before and are used to it. And you have to keep a certain distance from your work. It's no different than vets, nurses, and doctors that see people animals and people die every day. You do your best not to get attached and let it effect you.

>>10907077
In this part of Asia there are some "rice shop" that you can just put as much rice as you like into your own bag, weight it and then pay for it by weight

>>10907087
I'd rather carry heavy bags than live in that part of Asia.

>>10907068
>I would still like to see even cheaper rice and wheat.
That's the last fucking thing we need.
We've already fucked most of the flavor and nutrition out of our industrial cheapo crops. Why do you want to take the last bit too?

I was recently reading a study which stated that in the years 2005-2010, some 127 men (and a few boys) were permanently disfigured as a result of trying sexual activities with animals.
In all of these cases, the male either had part or all of his penis bitten off, and sometimes his testicles as well.

Do you think that in these cases what the men were doing should be considered rape? I'm not saying they should be charged with rape, but do you see it as a form of rape?

Also, do you think the men deserved what happened to them (penis bitten off) for forcing animals into sexual acts?

>>10907094
>>I would still like to see even cheaper rice and wheat.
>That's the last fucking thing we need.
>We've already fucked most of the flavor and nutrition out of our industrial cheapo crops.
what?

>>10907107
>>>/pol/
and it's just natural selection

>>10906859
The green countries are all shitholes. It seems to me that eating meat is correlated to higher GDP. Why do you want to destroy America, OP?

>>10907119
The usual argument against bestiality is that animals cannot give consent, however they cannot consent to the things listed above yet society doesn't prevent them happening. They cannot consent to being taken for a walk any more than they can consent to being eaten.

Morality is occasionally used as an argument against bestiality, however morality is subjective and has been used to justify the criminalization of homosexuality or sex before marriage.

Finally bestiality is used synonymously with animal abuse or rape. This is inaccurate as not all bestiality is forceful. A dog may mount a human of its own free will, animals can reject human advances by moving away, a human zoophile may make a concerted effort to avoid harming his animal partner etc.

>>10907136
More like the richer countries can afford to raise and eat animals. Have you ever seen a fat Indian or African? They have the right idea.

>>10907179
What are you talking about? Tons of countries ban bestiality.

>>10907179
Does your dog bite you when you try to walk it? I bet it would if you tried to fuck it.

>>10907197
I have seen fat africans and indians, sure. They are often richer than average browns.

It looks like it's made out of cornmeal. Looks nothing like steak. Is OP blind?

>>10904615
Where that 300x figure come from?

>>10907789
yes, he's blinded by his politics, like every vegan.

Steak looks like shit OP, mods need to start banning these vegan threads on sight.

>>10907809
>WAHHHHHH IF IT AINT MEAT, I DONT LIKE!!
Shut up, you little baby. Grow up and eat healthy for a change

>>10907816
Eating healthy and eating vegan aren't the same thing sweetie :3

>>10907984
Enjoy your heart attack hon <3

>>10906348
>veganism is my religion
you deserve to be made fun of, your mom is trying to save you from being insufferable

just jacking off some udders on that oh god
squirting udder juice all over

>>10904630
This, it looks like a fucking potato lol

>>10904676

>>10904615
What's the measuring unit of healthiness? How can you quantify that it's exactly 300 times more healthy?

>>10905899
>I thought you guys cared about global warming and shit.
Why in the fuck would you think that?

>>10906530
>Similar to pedophilia, children cannot freely and informatively give consent legally
no is the first word we ever learn

>>10904615
Veganism is slave morality.

>>10910783
Exactly. A carnivorous diet is immoral and selfish, not to mention disgusting.

>>10904676
This is either bait or an actual retard, hard to tell anymore