/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>10849230
why not give them that and use the success from that to make a more upscale restaurant?

Wa la!

>kept his restaurant open for nine months
>is complaining

>>10849239
Good point. I have my cooks, and when I cook, not even focus on decent technique or anything, just making it pretty

I swear I could heat up frozen stoufers lasagna and plate it on a shovel with fresh parsley accompanied with a spring green mix with dollar general vinaigrette and it'd sale for $35 and get 5 star reviews on yelp

>>10849230
>>10849257
>I swear I could heat up frozen stoufers lasagna and plate it on a shovel with fresh parsley accompanied with a spring green mix with dollar general vinaigrette and it'd sale for $35 and get 5 star reviews on yelp
I'm sure this isn't news to you, but most restaurants do this with Sysco Catalogue bullshit. It very well might be a good business move for you to shift over to reheating Sysco slop

>inb4 t. Sysco sales rep

>>10849340
For me it's Sysco chicken wings with Sysco vinegar and red pepper sauce for only 14.99.

WITH RANCH PLEASE.

>>10849230
I honestly don't believe you own a restaurant. What's your turnover rate? What's your spoilage rate? Are you just a LARPing diddlefunk?

>>10849357
Boh is only 20% roughly, foh is 60%,spoilage is pretty high at 17% (I'm annualizing)

At end of this year, I might make 20k for myself after everything

>>10849230
Kick out diners you see taking pictures of food and put a sign on the door.

Boom. instant local news story, reddit coverage, etc. You will be fine if your food is good.

>>10849417
Wow great idea, alienate the entire customer base :^)

>>10849398
What kind of establishment are you running? This is actually a successful recipe for a supper club.

>>10849417
this but you gotta be at least a little tongue in cheek about it

>>10849444
A subway

>>10849456
lel, yer not OhPee

>>10849442
if the entire customer base is people who make you miserable, so be it. there's something like a 5% statistical chance his restaurant will make it anyway.

have some balls in your life kids.

>>10849490
This is the stupidest advice I've ever heard provided. Congratulations!

>>10849493
>don't just play it safe and let misery whittle you down, be yourself, it'll even get you publicity
>DUHH HTHIS IS STUPID

nobody cares what children think, or old men who never once ventured.

>>10849509
And you're what? A child whose never ventured beyond his keyboard? Would you go to a shop that treats you like shit? Fucking dungerbunt.

>>10849523
I'm yelp elite, and make sure they know that before I'm seated. I always get great service, or else ;)

>>10849532
Well that's nice, hope you the best ;)

>>10849230
Where did you open this resturant?
Try to stick it out, if your food is better it'll take time for people who like eating to hear about it (because they don't transmit information via social media faggotry)

>>10849538
ok rethought

have a few staples that you are proud of because they are fucking awesome

then have the faggotry pretty picture part of the menu that is made with garbage ingredients but looks super pretty.

when people order the good stuff, make sure the severs let them know it is the good stuff without disparaging the meme tier food.

>>10849230
>things that never happened

>>10849549
why won't you let me dream!

>>10849557
Dreams are for children, dreams are suppressed by the ethanolic reaction.

>>10849562
no op

also half in the bag
didn't start a restaurant
i hear you

>>10849230
Use this to your advantage, anon.
develop 2 tier menu
one for higher quality food
second one would be cheep, crap level food, displayed in artsy fartsy manner to appeal to the social media fuqsticks and douchebags.
charge more for the social media, decoration platters.
advertise the "special" social media menu as an extra value feature, to appeal to the narcissistic nature of the insta/snapchat/twitter crowd.
PROFIT! more $$$ in yer pocket by targeting 2 different markets

>>10849970
This is so stupid and insane that it could work.

>>10849398
How many covers do you get on a Saturday night?
Do you have a PR company marketing for you?
Do you run any specials throughout the week? The restaurant I manage does service industry night every Monday. Brings in a lot of people on typically the slowest day of the week. We take 50% off all food except specials and our high end dishes like A5 steak as well as some alcohol specials. We don’t really verify is anybody is truly in the hospitality industry, but a lot of then do come in which drives up the tip amount my servers make while simultaneously generating me revenue. Albeit not as much if the food wasnt half off, but I wouldnt get 150 people through the door on a Monday without it. Since we started SI night our net sales on Mondays have practically doubled. We also do all day happy hour on Tuesdays which brings in a decent crowd.
Do you open for brunch? It can be very profitable since most breakfast foods are cheap to make. Keep the menu small, but creative and it’ll draw people in. You could utilize some of what is already on your menu for brunch so you arent ordering extra shit increasing food cost and training cooks on how to make a bunch of different shit.

>>10849230
So you make everything from
Scratch but don't plate it beautifully? Obviously you are running a poor restaurant, plating is just as important as how the food tastes, maybe more so. Something plated beautiful will give the appearance of good taste over something that isn't plated well

>>10849230
>opened upper-middle class restaurant that's open for 9 months
>can't spell and complains about trivial shit a business owner wouldn't care about
Fucking RPers, admit it you just came here because you wanted to talk about social media food picture culture, you sad fucking autismaloid

>>10849451
Yes, tell them you are kicking them out because of their race/are a woman.

>>10850006
Are you kidding? It would totally fucking work. Remember the meme: Millennials pay for EXPERIENCES and won't shell out a dime for pesky material possessions like houses.

>>10850260
I agree that your idea would work but the housing problem is a bit more complex than that lmao

>>10849230
My girlfriend has this same mentality. Every fucking place we go she has to take a thousand pictures of everything. What's the point? Most of them you'll never look at. Too many people have that "if I don't post this on the internet it might as well have never happened" thought process. It's like they're trying to justify being alive.

Taking photos of food is like piercings and tattoos, they allow me to filter out a woman on the first date.

>>10849230
You're missing a valuable business opportunity here -- include on your menu an option to Gramify your meal for a nominal charge and then have fun with it.

>>10850196
>what is reading comprehension

>>10849230

Why dont you just get better at plating, dumbass?

>not knowing how to utilize common shit to make functional/aesthetic garnish
>he doesnt grow micro greens and flowers in house

A lot of them are literally weeds that thrive on neglect. Buy a couple nice cookbooks. Id recommend the 11 madison park and the noma book for garnish/plating ideas.

Rereading Ops post, I believe he isn't saying that customers are shitting on his plating, but rather that's all they talk/care about. OP is doing fine but only has contempt for his customers.

>>10849230
>opened middle-upper class restaurant
translation, Hipster. Found your fucking problem. No one gives a fucking shit what BBQ or Soulfood looks like on the plate. Maybe don't serve hipster food if you don't like hipsters

>>10850461
>include on your menu an option to Gramify
This is so soulless and nakedly greedy it's brilliant.

>Gramify for meal! For just $5 more our plating artisans will hand-craft assemble your plate with 3 star flourish, perfect for photographs or special occasions

it's so fucking evil I can't see it doing anything but succeeding

>>10850544
fund it

>>10850544

Or he could just.. Be better and not jew his customers?

>>10850563
Or his customers could be better and jump off a fucking bridge

>>10850461
That's the most evil thing I've ever heard.
If I ran a company I'd want you on my board of directors.

>>10849230
What exactly is soul-destroying about plating food to a high standard? You reference the French laundry and heads-up they pay a lot of attention to plating.

>>10849230
Okay, so plate your food

>>10849340
How's business? Probably pretty good, right?

>>10850700
>What exactly is soul-destroying about plating food to a high standard?
nothing.

It's the fact that the diners:
a) don't care about flavor at all
b) don't care about the presentation for themselves, but instead only care about it for the purpose of social media posting. That means it's 100% pretentious.

>>10850912
This. I would also be sad if the only reason people wanted to go to my restaurant was to make vain attempts to impress people on fucking Instagram.

>>10850912
Caring about flavor is 80% as pretentious

>>10850925
>Caring about flavor is 80% as pretentious
That doesn't make any sense.

Pretention is about the motivation for an action. If someone likes food because they enjoy the taste there is zero pretentiousness. OTOH if they order the food because it lets them show off to other people (i.e. photos on instagram) then that is pretentious. Since it's impossible to "show off" flavor a person who cares about flavor can't possibly be doing so in a pretentious manner.

>>10850938
The existence of michelin stars already disproves this

>>10850943
how so?
Again, pretense (or the lack thereof) is based on motivation.

If a person wants to go to a starred place because they want to impress their friends & show off their fancy taste or how expensive of a meal they can afford that's pretentious.

OTOH if a person goes to the same restaurant because they really like the food but aren't showing off then there's zero pretentiousness.

>>10850957
You're acting like "liking the food" is something objective in a vacuum, it's not. If anything it's more built up than the presentation is, just of different components.

>>10849230
>French Laundry level food
I'm sure

>>10850544
Way to transparent nobody would ever bother with that. A collage or art wall out side the restaurant with a hashtag would be a decent way to get free advertising from the social media kiss but charging then a fiver to plate the dish better won't do shit

Just replace your plates with some stupid fucking bullshit and you'll be fine. Serve it in dog bowls. Who gives a fuck? It'll make your twat customers happy and you'll still be producing high quality food.

>>10849417
Ahh I'd hate that because sometimes I take pics just to show a friend what I'm eating or how big the portion is if I'm shilling and I don't own any social media.

>>10850917
Why it's free advertising and shows off your food if it looks good to people who would care about flavor

purchase a cell jammer and put to a sign, be really snobby about it

easy news story

>>10850964
>If anything it's more built up than the presentation is, just of different components.
I'm not denying that at all.

My point is that it's not the food or the presentation that defines pretentiousness. Rather it's the diner's motivation that does. Is the motivation personal enjoyment? Not pretentious. Is the motivation to show off to others? Pretentious.

>>10849230
>from scratch
>french laundry quality food
I can absolutely guarantee your food is bad.

>>10851008
Great idea, and would make fantastic press, but is sadly illegal.

One could, however, have a "no cell phone" policy, and get waiters to enforce it. I'm sure some diners would welcome it, and it would make a great news story / advertising.

>>10851023
You don't need a second person to be pretentious, you can show off to yourself.

>>10851039
the point remains unchanged. Pretentiousness is predicated upon showing off, as opposed to actual enjoyment.

>>10851096
For affected people pretension IS actual enjoyment. That's the point.

>>10851000
Checked.
I don't know. It just seems shallow that the driving force to do something is just to make your Facebook friends jealous rather than because they actually enjoy your service.

>>10849230
Lulz, my larping shitpost from last night got a lot of replies

Of course the only thing they're going to care about is how it looks. Why the fuck do you think so many places make nearly an entire meal before refrigerating it to microwave back up when ordered?
You could give someone some of the most delectable steaks ever but half the time people will still choose Sizzlers.

>>10851110
>>For affected people pretension IS actual enjoyment
But thats nonsense.
the enjoyment is false because it is based upon showing off as opposed to being directly enjoyable on its own merits.

>>10851159
Does a false sense of enjoyment negate the pleasurable neurotransmitter dump? No, perception is reality. A fool you are!

>>10851159
You can meme yourself into liking basically anything, I generally hate this kind of relativist argument but taste really is just a massive subjective black hole that sucks up all sorts of unrelated things that have no business being there.

>>10849230
Why not make good food and also plate it well?

>>10849230
op you are a one gaping fucking faggot today
fix your fucking plating and do your fucking job
nobody wants to pay to eat slop, it doesnt matter how good it is

WE EAT WITH OUR EYES TOO YOU PEICE OF SHIT

t. cook

>>10851171
Nobody is talking about neurotransmitters or how genuine the feeling is in your head.

We're talking about a person's motivation, for which there is a clear distinction between enjoying the food on its own merits or being blind to that but seeking it out because it's impressive or "show off".

>>10851206
What if you just enjoy the fact that the plebs will never have the experience?

>>10851237
Pretentious.

>>10851246
Oh, there's no pretense. I just enjoy lording things over people and making them feel inferior.

>>10851206
I sell sex. When the plate goes out I want you to bite your lip and say oh fuck
eating is a sexual experience and the presentation is just as important as flavor balance and aroma

>>10851251
>I just enjoy lording things over people and making them feel inferior.
that is pretense.

Become a meme chef who serves good food.

OP do your ccustomers also make you do those fucking spoon smears where you drizzle some sauce onto the plate and then swipe a spoon through it so it turns into a comma shape? I am so fucking sick of seeing that. I want to see plating where everything is perfectly lined up in in grids and rows in the best OCD fashion, with the sauce arranged in straight parallel lines. Just for shits and giggles. Maybe it would set off a new trend. I'd love to see the customers faces when they seet that plate. tell them you're autistic and nobody will dare say anything.

>>10849230

>thinks his restaurant is even middle class, much less middle - upper despite his plating being shit

>>10849230
Meh. And remember if it's on yelp or online reviews..they only want it to be pretty.
Most of these online reviewers are retards, especially millenials who love gimmicks.

>>10849230
you eat with your eyes first