/ck/ - Food & Cooking

Vegan diets are completely unhealthy and everyone who does them willingly is extremely deluded and a snob.

>>10749206
>comic text is closer to person on left, implying person on right is the vegan
>person on right is shoving face full of vegan junk food thinking it's healthy

Looks about right.

>>10749206
Won't work around my active life style to get the same amount of nutrients per day I need

>>10749210
You sound a bit overly defensive.

>>10749206
I need a reason?

>>10749230
I'm just completely tired of Vegans bragging about stupid shit.

>>10749225
What makes you think they think it's healthy or care?

>>10749226
Have you tried cronometer?

I don't like animals and I don't care about environmentalism. A future without me here is irrelevant to my concerns, and--as far as I'm concerned--lower species deserve to suffer and be enslaved for human interests.

>>10749206
>why aren't you vegan

pic related

>>10749233
You don't have to adopt the personality of the few vegans you've come into contact with in order to be vegan.

>>10749225
It's a joke implying that being a vegan doesn't require strong willpower, since the vegan the character on the left is speaking to clearly doesn't have much if they're gorging on junk food.

not gay

>>10749232
You can just say you've never thought about it I guess.

>>10749247
You don't have to be gay to be vegan. Most vegans are not gay.

Too much effort. Fast food mostly isn't vegan.

Two primary reasons:

Meat is healthy and I feel better eating it than not eating it.

My morality doesn't rely on specious ideas such as animal consciousness.

>>10749206
I've been vegan since 2014, vegetarian since 2010

>>10749272
Your morality may not be specious, but it sure is speciesist!

>>10749245
Yeah. I'm vegan and today I ate rice crispies with soy milk, beans and chips, a Tofurky and Just Mayo sandwich with pickles, WinCo chocolate chip cookies, saltine crackers, and Boston Baked Beans. I literally just eat anything I want and should be ashamed. But at least I'm not funding animal torture while I binge.

>>10749206
Because I enjoy animal products.

>>10749206
I'm not sugar addicted.

>>10749281
Gluttony is a sin, whereas animals have no souls, so callous indifference towards them isn't.

>>10749270
Taco Bell has a certified vegan menu, and The Habit now has a fully vegan burger. White Castle has vegan burgers. Burger King has vegan French toast sticks, Pizza Hut, Little Caesar's, and Papa John's all have vegan pizzas.

>>10749281
Add to that some Twizzlers bites. Somebody stop me.

>>10749294
>animals have no souls
It makes me sad that people believe this.

>>10749281
Rice Crispies aren't actually vegan

>>10749310
This is why they're total pieces of shit. Animals reap what they sow, and this is why evil behaviour is always associated with behaving like a beast. In your example, you eat like a pig.

>>10749277
Nice. What made you go vegan? I went vegan immediately after going to www.meat.org and watching Paul McCartney's video. (9 years ago) It shook my world upside down.

>>10749206
I want to die before 60, and since I have suffered for the benefit of others through no decision of my own, so should others suffer for my benefit. Such is life.

The whole "reduce my carbon footprint thru veganism lul" thing is a meme, too. Sure, cows produce lots of methane and literal shit, but they convert millions of acres of what would be considered non-arable land into edible calories for humans, as do other animals. Also, animal products as we know them are some of the most sustainable and renewable, provided they're byproducts of domestic animals.

>>10749206
Even just being vegetarian for a year made my iron levels drop too low once I became more physically active. I had such strong cravings for iron and didn't feel well. I mainly use eggs and cheese for meals and have meat once a week.

I still want lab-grown meat to be available in stores and will gladly switch to that if it's nutritionally the same though.

>>10749318
They're an off brand. Sorry, should have clarified.

>>10749319
There are multiple people in this thread. I'm the one who eats like a pig. The person you're responding to is someone else.

>>10749323
This hurts my brain it needs so many corrections. Whatever blogs you're reading, please stop.

>>10749206
Also, in many many places in the world, the only renewable and accessible forms of protein are things like eggs, chicken, and goats milk/meat. There are probably a billion more people that would starve if they were theoretically forced to go vegan. It's not a panacea to the world's problems, and it's that sort of attitude that many vegans have which makes others find them insufferable, and turn their mind off to reducing their meat intake overall.

>>10749324
Going vegan cured my anemia. Milk causes anemia. Maybe you should try going vegan and not just vegetarian. Sorry to hear that though.

>>10749263
Yet, anon. Most vegans are not gay, yet. Let that soy and flaxseed do its work.

>>10749329
It doesn't matter to me who I am speaking to, my comparison is only to illustrate my point on the facts: that animals are evil and humans who behave in an evil fashion are merely replicating beasts.

One sappy vegan behaves like a pig, and similarly has too much sympathy for those murderous creatures. Another whines like a cat in heat, and another will kill his kids like a dog.

>>10749206
Well I eat meat and dairy so therefore that is the reason

>>10749336
Except I know what I'm talking about?

Come to the Texas panhandle where it's all fucking dirt, and tell me that we shouldn't be raising beef on this land.

>>10749338
The question was why aren't you vegan, not people in third world countries lol. And the majority of people in third world countries can go vegan and many already are.

>>10749341
Soy has been proven to have no effect on male hormones. Read a book.

>>10749347
How are you feeding the cattle on dirt? You're destroying forests feeding them soy, or causing drought feeding them alfalfa.

>>10749321
Well I was already vegetarian for a while and just figured I might as well go all the way with it. The hardest thing to give up was cheese for me, otherwise it was relatively easy. I feel "cleaner" without dairy. I really didn't get too much into the moral/ethical implications until after I stopped eating meat. I never watched a peta cruelty video or anything. Perhaps the film The Texas Chain Saw Massacre played that role for me subconsciously early on. It's a pretty anti-meat/cruelty film in a weird way.

>>10749342
>animals are evil
No, they're instructed by their biology to survive and propagate. Biology is not evil. "Evil" is a concept created by man because man has a superior brain and can reason.
>One sappy vegan behaves like a pig, and similarly has too much sympathy for those murderous creatures. Another whines like a cat in heat, and another will kill his kids like a dog.
You type like a faggot redditor.

Vitamin B12.

>>10749351
No, you're wrong. In cohort studies of populations that eat large amounts of soy, there wasn't found to be an association with lower testosterone levels. When you look at an individual on a serological level, it tells a different story. I'm not saying eating half a cup of soy a day is gonna make you grow tits, but when you rely on it as a staple food and main source of protein like many many vegans do, it becomes problematic. There's plenty of compounds plants have that cause zero problems at normal dietary levels, but suddenly cause problems in that one retard who thought it would be a good idea to subsist on nothing but that food for 3 years.

Also, no matter how you slice it, things like bacterial b12 will always be a necessity for vegans, and those things are very energy and cost intensive compared to just getting it from animals. Matter of fact, the entire world's supply of b12 is made by 4 companies, 3 of them in China. HOW SUSTAINABLE!

>>10749366
Since when would that be an excuse for anyone else? If you understand that animals have no will, no desire to do good, and are just worthless automatons who will take as they please--you should have no problem with seeing those selfish cunts suffer. No different from spitting on the corpse of a serial killer or a rapist, the only difference is that even a human murderer has more potential to do good in his life than animal can possibly ever accomplish in their meager, shitty existence--if they even wanted to do anything good in the first place.

Evil is nothing but impulse; to act without reason or temperance. That's why we compare evil people to animals, because animals are the epitome of evil creatures in that they don't even consider anything beyond themselves. As I said--lower species reap what they sow.

The whole thing with vegans is they don't advocate lab grown meat to ease the resources we're using at an alarming rate. Both parties would be happy but no, they go full retard "YOU LIKE MEAT??? YOU'RE A MURDEROUS COLD BLOODED PSYCHOPATH" etc etc. Your pretentious strawman meme comics aren't helping your image either.

>>10749385
>you should have no problem with seeing those selfish cunts suffer
They FEEL, anon. They feel pain and loss. Why would you want to inflict pain on a creature?

>>10749206
I don't have one and I don't think I should either.

>>10749389
So I assume you're gonna go infront of a lion or wild dogs (since they eat their prey alive causing it great levels of pain) and shout "YOU'RE HURTING IT, STAPH DXX"

What's wrong with free ranged eggs?

Seems like a mutually beneficial relationship. You provide the chickens with free food and shelter, and in return they provide you with free protein.

>>10749379
>haha bro just take supplements
>it's a perfectly healty diet

>>10749389
So would a pedophile who has spent his life raping dozens of children--on a level of greater clarity and worth than any lower animal could measure up simply because he is a human, and at some point in his life, he has behaved virtuously and tempered his impulses.

I want to see evil people suffer, as I relish in exposing hypocrisy. Those who would bitch and moan when they're subjected to torture after torturing everyone else around most certainly deserve to experience the maxim of their philosophy. That's why I have no sympathy for a killer who begs for mercy, or a rabbit squealing for help. The only disappointment is that since animals are soulless, they won't even have the opportunity to pay their dues in the afterlife.

>>10749355
>Destroying forests
Deforestation of the type you're talking about is almost entirely thanks to subsistence farmers slash and burning in places like the Amazon. Soybeans grown in the US are not causing deforestation. Anyway, you can still grow hay fields quite easily in this area. It's producing something consumable for humans that's tough.

Just admit you get all your sources from the WWF and Vegan Daily or whatever, who by the way are almost certainly owned by that same soybean industry that would just rather sell their cattle feed at human food prices.

>>10749389
It's had a whole life of never worrying about it's next meal or new predators. A bit of loss and suffering is just another natural part of anyone's life.

>>10749384
I can cite studies backing up my claim, can you?
https://www.fertstert.org/article/S0015-0282(09)00966-2/abstract

Milk and meat on the other hand, do actually significantly affect male hormones.

Also, your animals are supplemented with B12 lol.

Plus animal products aren't even a reliable source.
https://www.ars.usda.gov/news-events/news/research-news/2000/b12-deficiency-may-be-more-widespread-than-thought/

>>10749242
>Personalities of a few vegans

I have met so many pretentious snobbing vegans who think they're morally Superior to me or me having a standard diet that has been working good since the beginning of modern man. Veganism is completely unhealthy and turns you into a complete söyboy, providing no real proteins into adding soy to literally everything to eat

>>10749411
>Also, your animals are supplemented with B12 lol.
Most animals supplement themselves with B12 by eating their own shit.

Are you gonna start eating shit just to get those bacteria back?

>>10749387
Are you okay? You seem unreasonably mad. No vegans I know would ever say that, and I regularly speak with many of the most unapologetic vegans. Their reason for not supporting lab grown meat is because it could still harm animals and there are already better alternatives.

>>10749420
I have literally never met anybody like this irl but always hear them described by meat eaters. Do they live in San Francisco or something?

>>10749351
Also, no long-term effects assuming cessation of high phytoestrogen intake is not the same thing as significant drops in testosterone levels while ingesting it.

Here's one source proving me right:
http://weberlab.byu.edu/Portals/105/Publications/Journal%20of%20Endocrinolgy%20(2001).pdf

In essence, it's saying it won't fuck up your ability to produce testosterone, but it most definitely effects serum levels in the short term. Guess what happens when you eat this shit every day, aka are subject to acute lowered testosterone for years and years?

There's a reason why women have less coronary disease risk, and it's lower T levels (among many other factors, but this is undeniable anyway). That's why they tout things with high isoflavone (aka phytoestrogens, but that would make dudes not want to touch it) and other polyphenols as being anti-heart attack and stroke.

Just for the record, I have a very balanced diet, and I don't rely on meat as a crutch. In fact, I could argue I'm vegetarian 2 days a week at least. But pure veganism is autism and snobbishness, purely.

i am a human being. humans are not vegan. cows are.

>>10749206
because I'm a fucking fatass who works long-ass graveyard shifts, and doesn't have time to measure out vegan calories

The science that I agree with agrees with my tummy whereas the science I disagree with agrees with chicks I've hate fucked.

>>10749420
I'm sorry to hear the vegans bullied you. Most of us have sympathy for the mentally handicapped and it's unfortunate you had such a traumatizing experience. My recommendation is to turn off your computer so this mistake never happens again.

>>10749424
>No vegans I know would ever say that
Either you only know two or three vegans, or you're willingly being blind to the rhetoric majority of vegans spew at nonvegans.

>It could still harm animals
Holy fuck, why are you so butthurt over humans killing animals but not animals like lions and hyenas doing it? You realize that compared to them, we give our food mercy with a quick kill compared to having their flesh torn from them while still alive.

>>10749411
Your source blows dick. They literally say they just did a metanalysis using keywords, and that included studies involving men eating isolated soy protein, which the study goes on to say is 90% protein. I refuse to believe that a protein isolate has the same concentrations of isoflavones.

I'm not gonna hold your hand on this. Go do your own research dude.

>>10749445
Many animals in even the best slaughterhouses have their flesh torn from them while they're still alive though. They return to their senses after being stunned and are slaughtered fully conscious. It's a big source of PTSD in slaughterhouse workers, and injuries from kicking cattle.

Pigs and chickens are boiled alive as well. Male chicks are ground up alive in giant blenders. Or they get tossed in a trash bag and are slowly crushed and suffocated under the weight of hundreds of their brothers.

And their lives are filled with torture.

>>10749506
I have never heard of pigs and chicken being boiled alive. China isn't America you tard.
>Many animals in even the best slaughterhouses have their flesh torn from them while they're still alive though."
I bet you 100$ it's not gonna be the same "torn flesh" of claws and technology.
>male chicks are ground up alive in giant blenders. Even then, it's instantaneous death. The ones that do make it and suffer is your only valid point.

Also answer my question, why aren't you travelling to the savannas and walking right up to the lions to tell them that they're hurting their prey? Why keep dodging it?

I don't want to support liberal democrats.

>>10749545
>I equate human rationality and thinking to a carnivorous animals’

>>10749545
Pigs and chickens are boiled alive in America.

And I ignored it because it's fucking retarded lol.

>>10749206
going vegan means low testosterone
also, one person going vegan doesn't make the earth more greener, it just wastes more food

>>10749569

>>10749440
Geez I feel bad for you that the only meat you try out is from your boyfriend's schlong while you suck him dry behind an alleyway. Man it must feel real good to be a pretentious faggot like yourself.

Anyway have fun with your tofu and your boyfriends man meat you self-absorbed niggerfaggot

>>10749551
>carnivorous animals are excused because humans are rational thinkers
lmao. Just say you would abandon your morals in between a starving lion and its prey.

>>10749553
Concession accepted.

>>10749206
I hate animals. If I could buy meat that greatly and needlessly suffered before it was slaughtered, I would. I eat veal and I don’t even like veal. Fuck animals.

>>10749577
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4236320/
https://www.spandidos-publications.com/mmr/14/6/5325
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0739724018300158
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/13880209.2016.1258425
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1110570418300055
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/and.12394
inb4 it's wrong because meat industry or whatever nonsense confirmation bias uses to justify itself

>>10749506
>It's a big source of PTSD in slaughterhouse workers

If this was a real problem, they’d quit.

>>10749206
I had to live off entirely white rice and dried beans for about 6 months, and I can no longer stand eating them, let alone using them as my primary source of protein again. Seitan is too expensive; even if I make it myself it's 2.5 times the price by weight of my current primary protein; chicken breast. Tofu was quite unpleasant. Nuts aren't a terrible option, but they also have triple the calorie density.

Some day if I have a better income I might give it an earnest shot, but unless the lifestyle is subsidized or otherwise accommodated, it's just not going to happen for the foreseeable future.

>>10749620
Zoosadism correlates with psychopathic traits in humans. Future serial killer spotted.

>>10749206
I do not have to be part of a group of smugs that like to smell their own farts just to feel less suicidal. I feel fine right now.

>>10749206
I like eating lots of nonvegan foods and I don't want to be a pain and have my friends and family constantly making plans around my self imposed dietary restrictions - I love my vegan friends but it's really annoying trying to find a nice restaurant we can go out to together

>>10749599
I'm female and wouldn't be insulted if I was gay anyway. Would rather be gay than dumb and obnoxious.

>>10749340
I eat no dairy, but I am not vegan / vegetarian......

You know you do not have to be vegan in order to avoid dairy...... Like you do not be a cyclist in order to avoid owning a car....

>>10749720
Yet you manage to be both, congrats!

>>10749206
I'm a normal, mentally stable human being

>>10749720
Shit bait/10

Tits or GTFO

Main reason: don't care enough about animals, especially chickens and fish.

Have you ever spent time around chickens or fish? They're automatons. The way groups of chickens or fish move in groups seems totally automatic and devoid of any consciousness. If you go near them it's like you're a negative charge magnet and they're just some balls of metal. You go left, they go right, and so on. After a short time it's hard to view them as anything other than objects with automatic movement and no consciousness. With cows and sheep I get it a little, but definitely not with chicken and fish.

>>10749206
Daily reminder that threads about exclusion-based meme diets don't belong on /ck/. Vegans: tastelets in disguise. Remember to sage and hide!

I'm vegan btw

>>10749692
Psychopaths can feel love and sadness, and the majority won't ever kill or even hurt someone. Most psychopaths are just socially manipulative leeches that drink too much, and don't think about how their shitty behavior bothers others.

As much as 7% of men are this way, depending on your source or definition (going by Antisocial Personality Disorder, in this case), and literally like half of people in prison.

>>10749401

fuck, dude.

is this what happens when you beat the shit out of your kids and never hug them?

>>10749206
I hate all animals except cats

>>10749206
I'm heterosexual.

>>10749206
i'm not a globalist cocksucker

>>10750297
>i voted for Trump and Brexit and still think I made the right decision

>>10750340
>everyone on the innernette is either an ameriburger or a britbong

>>10750340
I did.
Keep crying as we send your families back.

>>10749206
Lots of reasons, all of them justifications for the fact I don't wanna.

>>10749506
>PTSD
Oh fuck off. My girlfriends dad runs a farm in South Dakota and could not give a fuck about killing those little pink fatties. It's what men do to survive. Get over it and grow up. Also it's funny you have all these opinions while living at mommy and daddy's house

>>10749206
I like meat.

>>10749506
>he doesn't eat halal-certified meat
I came here to laugh at you

>>10749506
>They return to their senses after being stunned and are slaughtered fully conscious
Are you one of those retards that thinks a "captive stun bolt" is something cows can just wake up from?

>>10749206
I like to eat meat.

>>10749206
thats what happens when you eat nothing but sugar and carbs
have some chicken

>>10749206
>What's your primary reason for not being vegan?
Why are vegans and faggots unable to discuss anything other than their dumb choices?

Vegetarian diets can work for women. Their bodies crave and use different nutrients. I don't think it's a healthy option for men. And pure veganism is just denying your body of what it was built to process.

>>10749403
https://www.ciwf.org.uk/news/2013/01/food-waste-factory-farming
>For every six kg of plant protein such as cereals etc. fed to livestock, only one kg of protein on average is given back in the form of meat or other livestock products. In terms of food value, for every 100 food calories of edible crops fed to livestock, we get back just 30 calories in the form of meat and milk; a 70% loss.

Animal husbandry is a demonstrably inefficient use of resources.

>>10749298
>Little Caesars
no we fucking don't

t. employee

Too much trouble. Vegans are cool but I have other battles to fight

I like eating tasty meat. I made a ham the other day with my mom. Glazed with pineapple and maraschino cherries, came out juicy and tender.
But what's your primary reason for wanting me to be vegan? It' always why aren't we vegans, never why you want us to be part of the cult.

>>10749206
because the idea of us being somehow removed from the rest of the animal kingdom is delusional at best and dangerous at worst.

>>10749206
Because milk is mainly my diet and it's cheap as dirt here. Vegetables and grains don't make me feel satisfied, so I eat way too much and get fat.

Smoked meat also gives me an orgasm sometimes.

I eat meat because it tastes good.

I tried it and felt bad. But eating meat is immoral.

>>10749206
>What's your primary reason for not being vegan?
I'm straight

>>10749206
because i want to eat meat and i can

>>10750340
>Implying they aren't
Name one downside to either, I'll wait

>>10749401
Jesus christ, you're like a living, breathing billboard advertising the dangers of bad parenting

>>10750875
>posts anime
>claims to be straight
I thought most paedophiles swing both ways?

>>10750931
Dunno, ask your dad?

>>10750371
Actually it's what retards who can't get a decent job do to survive, but whatever you guys need to tell yourselves lol.

>>10750540
When it's improperly done, as is often the case, yes. It happens at least 2% of the time in the best slaughterhouses under the best conditions, and that percentage is much higher elsewhere.

>>10750662
Is the crust no longer vegan?

>>10749206
It's extremely unhealthy.

>>10749384
Provide sources/proof or gtfo

>>10750706
Cult? We're not the ones sacrificing animals for no reason on a daily basis and using mass brainwashing to justify it.

And I tell people why I'm vegan all the time, but it's interesting when people give genuine answers to why they aren't vegan despite the fact that animals are tortured on a mass scale and the environment is being irreparably destroyed for their habits. Human psychology is fascinating.

>>10749385
>Worthless
>No potential
>Inability to consider consequences
Should we kill and eat NEETs such as yourself?

>>10751018
So which propaganda outlet are you getting this from? Because it literally never happened when I was working a beef farm. Putting a hole in the brain of an animal tends to keep it from waking up

>>10751089
Multiple studies.

One benchmark is provided by audit reports — the best slaughter plants under the best conditions average 97% to 98% successful stuns (5). “Successful” does not mean that these stuns were irreversible or that the animal was killed.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1852607/

>>10751073

lmfao. retard.

animals aren't human, their 'suffering' doesn't actually exist because you have to have an identity to suffer, and animals don't have identities. there is no one 'there' to suffer. and even if they did, so what? they're food. the environment can't be destroyed, only changed, and whether it's for the better or the worse is a matter of opinion, you soft headed retard.

You done falseflagging? Larping is a lot of fun isn't it?

>>10751073
>Human psychology is fascinating

Those zany humans, right? It must be fucked up inside their heads. Good thing you’re not one of them!

>>10749206

I don't care enough. I eat vegetarian food, vegan food, meat, whatever. Fresh, bought as unprocessed as I can. Some of it I kill and collect myself. If meat was banned tomorrow, idgaf. I can cook vegan just as well. Just a pity since food I hunt/fish, kill and clean myself always tastes better.

Vegans, however, are ideologically motivated nutcases, comparable to the westboro fuckeads in my experience. I do not want to be associated with such terrible people.

I don't eat fad diets.

>>10749340

Vegan breastmilk kills babies. You should not have children.

>>10749411

>Keyword meta-analysis

Vegan sources, everyone. Pls.

>>10751109
One study, quoting a short range of audits from 2005, mentioning explicitly that this percentage is from improper use of a bolt gun, in a study about culling diseased herds where its hard as fuck to "properly" kill the cattle compared to a slaughterhouse. Even the "much higher rates" come out of a single english slaughterhouse where they use a percentage to give an inflated appearence to 4/7 young bulls not staying down after nigel missed the brain
>“Successful” does not mean that these stuns were irreversible or that the animal was killed.
They die from bleeding out after, you leave the brain stem intact so that its heart pushes the blood out for you.

>>10749427

And this as well.

>>10749206
Which one is the vegan?

>>10751182
The one eating the junk food in their underwear.

>>10751153
Your mother should not have children. The least she could do to mitigate the damage done is to bar you from the internet.

>>10751213

If your kids are breastfed by a vegan, they will die as well. It's unfortunate that they will suffer doing so, but it's going to be your fault and your guilt to bear. The best option is to kill yourself now. Spare the children the pain and suffering.

>>10749206
I like eating meat

>>10751264
I will die if I'm not breastfed daily by a pretty mommy.

>>10749206
9/10 days I am.

Vegan diets cannot provide a human with all their necessary nutrition without supplements. Why supplement when you can get all your nutrition through an omnivorous diet?

>>10751475
Please stop getting your information from blogs.

>>10751475
Why post online when you could use a pen and paper?

>>10749206
because veganism is the height of edge

>>10749206

>>10749438
fucking based.

>>10750340
>trying to shame people for making the two greatest political decisions in the last century
libcucks, everyone.

>>10751484
except eating vegan is going backward, dummy

>>10749210
Prove it

You can't.

>>10749206
Meat tastes good and might makes right. Take your slave morality and stick it where the sun don't shine.

>>10751815
>might makes right
yep, anyone who believes otherwise only has that luxury because the mighty have decreed it so

>>10751695
Enjoy those mycotoxins from all the pickled vegetables you have to eat to maintain B12 levels.