/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>10702016

Look at that anarchist. He doesn’t care he got caught. All he can see is the flames and his spirit rises with the embers.

>>10702022
Way to pick up on a completely irrelevant detail.
Good for you I guess.

>>10702016
why would people in a holding cell admit to their crimes?

>>10702016
>libertarian cucks weeping and imagining serving real time for selling shitty milk
Lmao, I've only ever experienced victim complexes like this in young women

but farmers are allowed to sell unpasturized milk directly to consumers
its just not allowed in regular retail

>>10702203

Do you have any idea how many people confess on the monitored jail phone lines when talking to their mother or babymommas?

It's a whole lot of them, and it's no secret that the lines are monitored either. They didn't get there by being intelligent.

>>10702029
Honestly, that's not even the worst of it. The big black guy is wearing a belt. Do you have any idea how dangerous that is in a prison setting? Especially one whose overcrowding conditions are so bad that 5 inmates are confined together with a mere bench?

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>>10702263
Is this a bane post?

>>10702263
With overcrowding like that, it makes sense that they don't get to bring friends.

>>10702016
normal humans dont require milk

Dairy milk promotes excess estrogen in the body due to it containing estrogen from female cows.

>>10703021
It would be very raw and unpasteurized

>>10703059
Milk doesn't make cold-adapted humans shit themselves because all the "normal humans" who couldn't process milk died off. It's a very useful adaptation to have for the coming ice age.

Milk is literally baby food. It's supposed to make babies gain weight fast. Humans are the only animal on Earth that drink this shit after puberty.

>>10702016
All milk is unhealthy.

>>10703129
Many animals drink it if you leave it out in a bowl They're just not smart enough to get their own.

>>10703129
>Humans are the only animal on Earth that drink this shit after puberty.
There are tons of things humans alone have developed among the animals on Earth. Terrible argument. I don't see any non-humans here on /b/

>>10703172
On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog.

>>10703179
Woof

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>>10703464
Okay well now I know.

>>10703129
>Wheat is literally cow feed, it's supposed to make cows gain weight fast. Humans are the only animal on Earth who grind this crap and make it into bread.

Gee, I wonder why energy rich sources of nutrition gained predominance when starving was common. Why are vegans always the ones with no sense, the ones you'd know would die in two days if left with nothing but some twine in the national park?

>>10703122
>because all the "normal humans" who couldn't process milk died off
Hardly, much of Europe is still 10-20% lactose intolerant.
>It's a very useful adaptation to have for the coming ice age.
It's a trade-off, because lactose is a prebiotic if you cannot hydrolyze it. You get a little bit of energy in exchange for a weakened gut microbiome.

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>>10702016
>I set fire to a crowded apartment complex
lol

>>10703797
dad, you freak!
stop sucking moms tits!

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>>10703481
>Four (you's)

>>10702016
I work in an industry that listens to and deals with a lot of complaints across the board. Funny enough, one of the complaints today was "Both my kids got sick from e. coli after drinking this farm's raw milk."

It was hard to take seriously because of how fucking ridiculous you have to be to have that happen to your kids in the first place. It's hard enough getting raw milk in this state because even our retarded lawmakers had enough sense to realize it's not a good idea to make something readily available that is still giving a handful of idiots fucking bovine TB, usually food poisoning from either salmonella or listeria. What really drove home the crazy, though, was this person obviously supported the 'raw milk movement' and was blaming their kids' infections on the farm's 'cleanliness' despite it having a very clean record and zero reported problems with its pasteurized products, instead of accepting the obvious risks and being a dumbass who put bacteria-laden raw milk in her kids' lucky charms.

I'm okay with people drinking raw milk, but this anti-vaxxer level shit of a more than century-old process of heating up milk to kill bacteria being unhealthy has got to fucking stop. I would've joked that "raw water" is the next stop on the crazy train, but...

>heat milk for a short duration to kill pathogens
>somehow less healthy now

>>10702231
This, there's no law against private sale

>>10702016
our intestines only absorb 40% of cow milk's nutrients anyway, goat milk is where it's at

>>10703795
>Hardly, much of Europe is still 10-20% lactose intolerant.
We have >10% non western immigrants in my European country too, less "still" more "again".

>>10702263
Lol can you imagine a guy whipping people with his belt in a holding cell?

>>10703129
Humans are also the only species to be able to access the internet

>Amish knuckle-heads trying to hawk their dangerous raw milk to gullible consumers.

>>10705262
Yeah I don't get this. And it's not even like some conspiracies which have clearly-drawn political lines on who believes, there are people all over the political spectrum that believe this kind of shit.

Like GMOs. There is less scholarly debate on the safety of GMOs than there is on fucking global warming, we literally would not be able to sustain the population numbers we have if we didn't use science to increase the crop yields.

>>10705316
The US can easily feed itself, the EU if push came to shove could too.

We need technology to feed Africans, but there is no guarantee that technology can keep pace with their population growth.

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>>10705316
Because natural is better bro didn't you know that? It's worth it to pay 3x the price for this """natural""" product
>>10705337
The US could feed the world minus Asia
The problem isn't production the problem is logistics, there are not supply lines in place to transport shit to Africa and none will be made if there aren't enough importers buying shit to make the initial costs worth it

>>10705337
>but there is no guarantee that technology can keep pace with their population growth.
We grow enough food right now to easily feed 12 billion people, the problem is distribution and that a lot of perfectly good food is thrown away.

Not to mention as people leave poverty, they stop having so many children. Why do you think arabs who have lived in Europe for 30 years have far less children than ones fresh off the boat?

>>10705262
>this anti-vaxxer level shit of a more than century-old process of heating up milk to kill bacteria being unhealthy has got to fucking stop.

Wait, what? I've been involved in a lot of foodie shit for a long time and while I've heard plenty of people praise raw milk for its flavor or its properties for cheesemaking I've never once heard anyone claim that pasteurization is unhealthy. Is that even a thing? Where the fuck did it come from?

Personally I love raw milk, for the taste. I understand that it's riskier to consume it, but I accept that risk, and I certainly don't go around serving it to children or the elderly. I have no clue where the fuck this "its healthier" crap came from--never heard of it before.

>>10705359
>Is that even a thing? Where the fuck did it come from?
Distrust in government/corporations. Same thing with water flouridation, the reason we stopped doing that is because toothpaste makers put flouride in toothpaste so it was no longer necesary.

>>10705316
>use science
>>10705316
science is not like a hammer or wrench that you can apply to a specific physical problem. anyone who treats "science" as such a tool is instantly identifiable as someone whose opinions are 100% worthless

and just watch, because you are such a predictable boorish moron, i can already tell that after reading the other paragraph you got upset and all ready to post something along the lines of "how could you diss SCIENCE didnt you know that SCIENCE is what made your computer?? :^)" like some kind of dipshit redditor, still unable to grasp the concept that science is not a manufacturer nor researcher nor even an activity that you can specifically do

>>10705373
fluoridation of water supplies isnt done for dental health, the amount of fluoride in there is too small to make a difference

the actual reason it's done is that it causes reactions in common steel pipes that actively corrode the surface but that corroded surface is largely inert and fairly hard, as opposed to steel which will corrode and that corrosion will just flake off and result in shitty brown water full of literal rust. on top of not having people drink rust and steel burrs and shit, it prevents the pipes from rusting through as quickly. it's to make it so you have to replace pipes less often.

some american cities do it becuase >MUH FLORIDE TEEF CARE but those cities are mostly ones who started doing it later than most after the public official soothing explanation became popular, creating a self-fulfilling meme after various engineers realized that it was easier to get funding for doing this by saying "It's like your toothpaste!" rather than the boring details of saving a net couple hundred bucks a month by not using different treatments or outright replacing pipes as often

>>10705359
There is a small-but-growing portion of the population that believes 'not natural' = not healthy' because of hardline distrust in regulatory authorities and the medical field at large thanks to the power of social media persuasion and snake oil sales. I joked about 'raw water,' but there are a significant number of people who believe that drinking unfiltered, untreated water that animals pissed and shat in is healthy for you and that 'chemically treated' water is giving people cancer.

It's a lot of false equivalency and a lack of understanding for the risk factors behind many modern ailments (mostly cancer and things like IBS) that are affecting people because we no longer have pandemics and deadly bacterial diseases killing people first anymore. Also, snake oil sales are really at the heart of it all. Not that raw milk really falls into that category, it's more of an arbitrary demand that grew around other shit like holistic medicine and a bastardized interpretation of 'buying local.'

>>10705398
>nor even an activity that you can specifically do

I'm with you in general, but that statement is just plain retarded. you most certainly can "do" science. It is, in fact, an activity. Science is the process of testing hypotheses via experimentation and drawing conclusions from the data, as opposed to drawing conclusions from other sources (dogma, tradition, hearsay, etc.)

you certainly can use science to improve crop yields, by determining experimentally which strains of a given crop provide the best production efficiency, disease and drought resistance, and so on.

>>10705316
>40% of the food produced in the US is thrown away
>b-but we need muh agent orange based dicambra soaked veg to keep an already overpopulated planet's ever increasing virus spawn alive for 20 years more before they have to begin paying for chemo therapy.
Good goy!

>>10705424
>There is a small-but-growing portion of the population that believes 'not natural' = not healthy...

Yeah, I've met those types. I've just never seen anyone extend that way of thinking to things that make logical sense, like say pasteurization or the sterilization of medical equipment. It's one thing to argue that you are concerned about chemical additives to food. It's pants-on-head retarded to claim that pasteurization somehow makes milk unhealthy.

>>10705426
>Science is the process of testing hypotheses via experimentation and drawing conclusions from the data
literally 100% of human activity, including those driven by tradtition, by way of the existence of positive and negative reinforcement (e.g. "I joined the village's rain dance, and rain came; i guess it works!" or "I joined the village's rain dance, and rain never came; given my previous data and any self-evident premises, I can only conclude that god found my dancing unimpressive.")

to "do science" or "use science" is obvious shorthand for "use modern technology and techniques". if anything, anti-GMO people are better at "science" than you are since you take the modern state of technology at face value and assume it all works, while the anti-GMO people generally go on about unknown effects or newly observed effects of GMO food.

personally, i dont give a shit about it in terms of consumption, and see it as a fairly natural extension of normal crop breeding, but to say that it's "science" in the same way ceilings always being around 8 feet high is "architecture" and bridges being mostly based on arches being "engineering" and computer rendering software being "mathematics" is disingenuous and outright dogmatic, like atheists who treat their atheism as a de facto religion. basically, i recommend you return to /r/iflscience and watching Neil Degrasse Tyson videos inbetween Rick & Morty episodes

>>10705479
I'm not sure what your first sentence is trying to say. That your rain dance example is equivalent to science somehow? Nonsense; the rain dance is not repeatable nor limited to one variable under study.

>> obvious shorthand for "use modern technology and techniques"
You can argue semantics if you like but I don't see how that really matters.

>>if anything, anti-GMO people are better at "science" than you are since you take the modern state of technology at face value and assume it all works
I don't assume that at all.

>>but to say that it's "science" in the same way ceilings always being around 8 feet high...blah...blah....is disingenuous and outright dogmatic
I'm not sure anyone made those sorts of claims here, anon. You seem to be reading into things that weren't actually stated.

>>10705426
Yeah but we don't. It's like the suppression of electric vehicle tech by the petroleum industry in the 70's. Big agri/chemical is concerned with one thing: Scorching and killing the earth with petrochemicals to wring the most profit per acre w/o regard to the populations health and well being. If half of the corporate welfare tax subsidies these thieves receive were granted to research on sustainable agricultural production, most of it would have moved to sustainable methods by now. There are a number of medium sized organic and biodynamic farms getting higher yields. Those methods and techniques need the funding to develop larger scale. The problem is the same tired old story of late stage capitalism where the monolithic corporations own the whores in govt. and agencies overseeing monetary expenditures. Sad really.

I don't want it to be legal because I don't want to have to worry every time I buy food from somewhere unfamiliar or under new management, whether the milk isn' pasteurized or they leave their meat out too long or their water is frim an untreated supply. I think it's important to have some basic standards everyone who sells to the general public should follow, because if freedon means having to research the QC and business practices and infrastructure of wherever I go, I'd rather have a little less freedom if I ever own a business, in exchange for more freedom in the form of not worrying about this shit.

I don't think a small time farmer should be improsoned for selling unpasteurized milk at a farmers market or something but in a lot of states I don't even think it's illegal, in the rest it can be sold in some venues or has to meet some standards with respect to pathogen count in the milk, I've never heard of anyone being imprisoned for it.

>>10705359
>Nutrient Loss

>Adding heat to raw milk causes mild nutrient loss in pasteurized milk. The University of Minnesota reports that pasteurized milk loses 3 to 4 percent thiamin, less than 5 percent vitamin E and less than 10 percent of biotin during the heating process. Jesse Gregory III demonstrated in 1982 that the denaturation of milk’s whey proteins through pasteurization can decrease how well your body absorbs the milk’s vitamin B12. Ultra-pasteurization may further degrade these nutrients, though the increased shelf life of the milk often offsets the additional nutritional cost.

It's mild but heating milk does reduce nutrient availability somewhat. I'm with you on the flavor though. When I was a teen and I tried raw milk for the first time, I was amazed by the flavor. I realized store bought milk tasted burnt after that. Quite strange.

t. lactose intolerant adult

>>10705262
Talk about how soi doesn't give you moobs next. Nobody's listening.

>>10705502
>Yeah but we don't
We DO, but simply for different goals.

GMO crops for example: we have made them grow faster, with less water, and with fewer pesticides. We have also made them last longer in storage and better handle long-distance shipping. But what we have also done is fucked over their flavor. Same thing with factory farmed meat, etc.

>>If half of the corporate welfare tax subsidies these thieves receive were granted to research on sustainable agricultural production, most of it would have moved to sustainable methods by now.
I'm not disagreeing with that. But what you're describing isn't a failure of science or people not using the scientific method. Rather it's people with totally different goals than yours. Big Ag cares about making a profit. How does it optimize it's profits? By catering to the demands of its biggest customers: i.e. buying agents for huge supermarket chains, high-level wholesalers, and big companies who produce premade foods. What do those customers demand? Cheaper. Faster. More durable in shipping. And for a fraction of them (the supermarket buyers): how good the product looks on the shelf. Those people don't give two shits about flavor or sustainability, so Big Ag doesn't either.

Industry follows the demands of the market. If the market as a whole doesn't care about sustainability or quality then industry won't follow suit.

>>where the monolithic corporations own the whores in govt
I'm not defending that in the slightest. I just think you have your blame misdirected. It's not "capitalism"'s fault that the majority of human beings don't give a shit about sustainabilty or quality. They're happy if they can eat their McMeat while binge-watching breaking bad and playing with their Apple phone toy.

>>10705516
>in exchange for more freedom in the form of not worrying about this shit.

You don't have to make an exchange to be rid of that worry. You can simply not worry about it.

>>10705558
But there's an attendant risk to not paying attention to who is doing the pasteurization, water treatment, etc., and whether it's being done in a competent and reliable manner.

>>10705839
I don't deny there is a risk. I just don't think it's a large one, assuming you are a healthy adult. You take far more significant risks every time you get in a motor vehicle, for example. Of course if we are talking about people who are immunocompromised the risk is far more significant.