/ck/ - Food & Cooking

Jaimie Oliver literally learned to cook in italy and he still couldn't get it right. What a fucking hack.

>>10611198
jamie oliver never learned to cook

>>10611220
Apparently not.

>have traditional recipe
>one simple additional ingredient makes it not suck
>"no, you must not use the forbidden ingredient"
Why are Italians like this about literally every Italian dish?

>>10610963
>guanciale is cured pork jelly
>pork jelly
god i hate this man more than i hate Jack

>>10610963
That was great. Really enjoyed that.

>>10611268
They're autistic retards for the most part

>reddit's guy babish getting exposed

great video

>>10610963
Little known fact, it's illegal, carrying a maximum penalty of 5 years in a federal penitentiary.

>>10611311
I would have loved to see them critique Jack's recipe

>>10611198
>make the recipe yours!

>>10611268
>can't use cream
uhh no one tell shitalians but I smother my pasta in sour cream

>>10611268
Italians are the most retarded nation of all Europe.

ITT: plebs who are mad that they cant do correctly a dish that even retards can do with the ingredients you are supposed to use

>>10610963
sometimes i just add some ham to fetuccine alfredo to make carbonara

>>10611268
in such a basic recipe, if you add one ingredient, it's not really the same thing

>>10611780
idk I can see something like cream making a difference in that regard but flavoring with a bit of garlic shouldn't be enough to get them all up in arms

>>10610963
Because it's better with cream. Buttered noodles with parmesan is nothing special.
It was litteraly made for a nauseated post pregnancy wife who hadn't eaten for days as something bland and fattening. Don't get haughty.

>>10611898
And this goes without saying, but I'm not defending the jack strawman.

>>10610963
Why can't Italians make an aerospace company?
Why can't Italians make a high-tech company?
Why can't Italians make a world top 100 university, by any international metric of such things?
Why can't Italians into space?

etc, etc, etc...nice pasta though....

so to make them happy, it would have been

>wheat pasta in salty water
>guanciale or bacon rough chopped into ~1cm pieces fried until slightly browned
>eggs, pecorino romano, and generous black pepper mixed together
>add pasta to pork with a decent amount of pasta water
>once heat has dropped, add egg/cheese/pepper mixture and mix vigorously

is that it? doesn't seem very hard desu

>>10611965
its hard for americans

>>10611393
Jackposting?

>>10611965
I didn't watch it, but I'm pretty sure romano instead of parmesan is also heresy.

>>10612003
You got it backwards. Carbonara is a signature dish of Rome, therefore you must use Grana Padano.

>>10613081
you are fucking dumb. grana padano is from pianura padana, which is in the northen part of italy.

>>10611404

You are an abomination. The only way this could be acceptable is if you use cured mackerel and dill with it, also poppy seeds.

Itt. "Autistic italian retard"

n.b. American fat fucker with soiled tastebuds

>>10613214

Exactly, in Rome they do use Pecorino Romano. Probably better for this recipe.

Also Parmigiano Reggiano>Grana Padano, not same thing for Durricans Murricans itt

>>10611422
But with the highest IQ, go check that

When did sentient E.coli colonies get American citizenship?

>>10611965
here's a vid of the 3 chefs cooking carbonara
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elq1UYbJ-JQ

>>10611921
Don't they supposedly have good universities? Trieste, Bologna, Bocconi are supposed to be good. They're also pretty good at math.

>>10611380

lol they went in on babish.

>the worst
>i totally agree
>i'm just asking a question: why don't you pick up a book and look at the ingredients?

>>10613474
they were harsh on Jamie Oliver too, but at no point were they not fair (expected better of him)
would love to see plebbit defend babish

>>10611268
>have traditional recipe
>one simple additional ingredient makes it fundamentally different and nothing like what someone expecting the original recipe would want
>"aha, fucking elitists, food tastes exactly the same even if you drown it in cream!"

Why can't Americans taste anything anymore? Have massive amounts of HFCS in everything they eat destroyed their tastebuds to the point where they're unironically unable to even taste what they're changing in a dish anymore?

>>10613516
>would love to see plebbit defend babish
They did. His brain damaged fans just dismiss the criticism because he's basing it off a recipe from a tv show. Or in other words, "doing it wrong on purpose."

>>10610963
>It think the worst is the cream. I don't want to demonize it, but I'm tired of how every dish needs to finish on this idiotic "and then add cream" tip regardless of what came before it

I agreed with this more than anything in the video.
"And then add cream" is the mark of a poor cook. It's the equivalent of dousing your food in hot sauce and spice to hide how shitty your dish was.
By adding a shitton cream at the end you're not cooking anything.
You just want to eat cream by the spoonful and using what came before it as a pretext to do so.

>>10613528
thought so
just watched the start of the clip to find out what he is basing it on
nowhere does it look like in Master of None that he uses cream or garlic, he does make fresh pasta though and unlike faggish he used pepper

>>10611776
This pic is fucking disgusting, delete it

>>10610963
>They have this culture of Italian food where they think that you have to add garlic to make it taste Italian
kek
100% accurate

>>10613552
straight guy here. I don't know who this girl is but to me she has all the feminine qualities i look for in a woman

>>10613590
Guy who posted her here.
I agree, she looks like a small and cute girl you'd be lucky to protect.
Being hugged in bed from behind by her so that you can feel her throbbing heart must be an amazing thing to experience.

>>10611921
you ignorant pig, Politecnico di Milano has ranked #5 in the world for its Design faculty fuck off

>>10610963

I think the thing that we can take from this, is all these chefs feel they have to add garlic and other seasoning to cater to the tastes of the general non-italian audience. They're not getting it wrong they probably just think the classic way is just TOO simple.

>>10613597
here comes the babish defense

>>10613597

A lot of classic italian food is just wartime food or invented for sick people. They are too simple

>>10613597
>is all these chefs feel they have to add garlic and other seasoning to cater to the tastes of the general non-italian audience
I think that they're scared that if they don't add garlic, then ignorant customers are going to complain that it doesn't taste Italian.

Fuck not putting some garlic in while browning the guanciale. I don't give a shit about what some greasy Italians think, im not having any pasta dish without some garlic aromatic in it.

>>10613618
>A lot of classic italian food is just wartime food or invented for sick people.

>>10613650
>im not having any pasta dish without some garlic aromatic in it.
America in a nutshell

>>10613662
Its delicious and good for you. I really don't see the hate for it here by these wops, it really doesn't do anything to the dish itself, as you're not actually putting garlic into it. How could garlic possibly be worse than fucking cream?

>>10613670
It's not bad, or worse than cream.
It's just a taste that has its place, and it can get tiring to have all the time.

You have to remember that, for an American, pasta is "ethnic food" that is consumed occasionally.
But for us, it's a daily affair.
Consuming garlic on every single meal would be dreadful, not to mention that with enough consumption your sweat starts to smell like it too.

Plus, with most of our recipes being tasty despite their simplicity, it just strikes us with confusion to see people adding contrasting or unnecessary complication to things.
Going back to cream, it's like watching someone put ketchup on a steak.
Sure, it makes it "more tasty", but if you need that boost to begin with I'm going to wonder about the quality of the meat.

>>10611380
I fucking hate the guy. He's a homo, right? No straight man would attempt to make a career out of cooking food that was featured in Disney cartoons.

Matty is a disgusting pig but at least he's entertaining.

>>10613679
to americans, carbonara is a restaurant dish. nobody cooks that kind of stuff at home. so in a way it makes sense to be loaded with garlic and cream, people dining out and potentially spending $20+ on a plate of the stuff expect something rich and heavily spiced.

americans do eat a lot of pasta but it's primarily noodles with some kind of tomato sauce that came out of a jar or in some kind of horrible casserole dish. outside of actual descendants of italians, it just isn't that widespread.

>>10613697
>to americans, carbonara is a restaurant dish. nobody cooks that kind of stuff at home.
But why? It's three ingredients, there's instant noodle types that take more work than an actual carbonara to make

>potentially spending $20 (+tip) on a plate of the stuff
For noodles and cream?

>>10613679
I could see the argument that if you were actually consuming the garlic( like if its finely diced or whatever) at every meal it would be too much, but letting it a clove or two fry into the meat for a few minutes just doesn't seem detrimental to me, but I get that. I wouldn't even want garlic at every meal either. Is it really true that you're eating pasta at every meal though? Surely that cant be good.

>>10613670
>it really doesn't do anything to the dish itself
but it does. you add it because you want to taste the garlic, right? well that flavor is not something those italians want in their sauce, it's a strong and pronounced flavor that really doesn't add anything to the dish, unless you just want that garlic flavor.

>>10613709
Lunch is usually some kind of pasta.
But just saying "pasta" could mean literally thousands of dishes, it's the same as asking "Aren't asians unhealthy, eating rice every day?"
Yes, eating only plain pasta every day would be bad. But there's more going on than that.

>>10613697
I cook carbonara all the time, although not to the Italians' satisfaction.

>>10613697
This is not true, I make 'Nara almost once a week, spaghetti probably 2-3 times a month. I love Italian pasta dishes, and I feel that outside of occasianly fancying up my meat gravy with some extra flavors I stick to pretty simple ingredients. Since we've kind of moved into a broader topic of the cuisine in general, what are some traditional pasta sauces you guys would make? ID like to contrast and compare.

>>10613719
No one can cook carbonara to the Italians' satisfaction.
Carbonara is one of the most popular dishes to have cook-offs on to establish dominance here.
When you have so few ingredients, every minor change to the procedure results in a big change in taste.

>>10613708
>But why?
Because it sounds fancy and most people here have either never heard of it or don't know what goes into it. I think of my parent's generation (born in the 50s) and while there is some sophistication in their food, cooking traditional italian stuff is not gonna happen. Most ethnic foods that aren't a bastardization of something that came over in the 1800s in the US are a product of the last 25 years. I hate to play the "unsophisticated americans" card but it can be fairly true, especially when talking about older generations and food.

>>10613719
you are also posting on a food image board and not 75 years old.

>>10613727
I've done it the traditional way as well. Its great, I just like that slight garlic taste on the meat. Also I typically use reggiano because pecorino is like 12$ for a 6oz wedge here for some reason.

>>10613745
Most people use parmiggiano in Italy too.
Pecorino is a more specific taste that goes on specific things, while parmiggiano is something you can just dump on anything.
So you're always more likely to have the latter rather than the former in your fridge.

>>10610963
>we wuz the ancient foodtender 'nd shieet
I'm italian and I hate this attitude from this bunch of pretencious assholes

>>10613786
I mean, everybody has to have something. What else is going on in Italy aside from the food culture? Outside of Milan and Turin, the place is basically a non-functional mess of farms, tourist traps, and trains that are never on time. Let the old men have their moment.

>>10613817
>What else is going on in Italy aside from the food culture?
>two worthless meme towns in the north
lmao, kys

>>10613837
I think they built a car once and sold it to some rich arab. Not sure what else goes on there aside from well dressed men smoking cigarettes and drinking espresso out on a patio

>>10613879
>well dressed men smoking cigarettes and drinking espresso out on a patio
that sounds a hell of a lot better than what goes on in some other shithole countries I could name

>>10613547
Dont tell me what to do

>>10610963
Carbonara is the "roguelike" of cooking.

>>10613590
>>10613552
its a cartoon...
Y'all need Jordan.

>>10611921
There are some spaghetti aerospace companies but they are comparatively small time lol

>>10614399
Most aerospace companies in the US only exist because of military contracting. It's not hard to have a lot of aerospace when you're literally burning a trillion tax dollars on a shitty new plane every 5 years.

>>10610963
>Babish completely BTFO
How will redditors ever recover?

>>10614428
>t. no-planes

https://youtu.be/fMQYY3e6kcM
thoughts on cozinha de jack's carbonara. how come hue jack is superior to american jack?

>>10613399
The last one is a hack

https://youtu.be/jJIbgp7OQYM
>fat daddy jack can't make carbonara

>>10613214
The joke is that parmigiana reggiano, pecorino romano, and grana padano all taste nearly identical and it doesn't actually matter what you use in carbonara. Why are Italians all such autistic spergs when it comes to cuisine?

>>10610963
Fat ass

>>10611422
Nah, they're fine. Italians care about their culinary traditions and that's why they're fiercely admonish idiots like you for fucking it up. USA taking everything sacred and adulterating it until it's lowest common denominator junk for the average fat fuck is the problem.

>>10614608
Romano doesn't taste anything like the other two.

>>10614722
I guarantee that I could make carbonara with all three and you would not be able to tell the difference.

>>10611268
Because italians are as fucking short-sighted as americans. They truly do believe bullshit like "red wine for meat white wine for fish" because they only know the 2 or 3 types of wine they produce in Italy to be the only ones in existence.

Also italian cuisine is highly overrated because of it's "tradition". It makes nips look like improvisers.

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>>10613727
I think we're all missing a fundamental difference between italian cuisine and the rest of europe/america.

Are the chefs right to be autistic about the garlic? Yeah, but it also goes to show how unaware they are of how the rest of the world cooks.

Italian cuisine is uber ingredient-focused, because, frankly, they grow some of the best produce in the world. I once visited a tomato farm on holiday near naples and jesus the smell of the entire place was intoxicating and incredibly pungent. Anything you can get in a supermarket stateside won't come close, unless you're buying straight up canned san marzanos.

So, if you live in the states, or anywhere else really, and try and make italian dishes, it's gonna be less flavorful, plain and simple. If you're using dime a dozen eggs and GREAT VALUE spaghetti, you ain't getting the experience, so the idea of adding garlic or cream or any other supplementary flavors is totally understandable.

That's also the reason why the chefs are so autistic about toasting the pepper, because if you're using good pepper and good fat then you'll make a sub par meal if you add the pepper too soon. thing is, if your pepper is average and your meat is average then the overall dish is gonna be average no matter what you do, and there's nothing wrong with that either.

TLDR: neither side seems to understand how the other cooks so everyone looks autistic and stubborn in the end

>>10614754
US produce is fine. I think the argument is more level of sophistication on how to use it and abundance of high calorie easy shit in the post WW2 environment.

People never had to do fancy shit with tomatoes or other produce because there were hot dogs, ground beef, and corn on the cob. Eating "italian" meant spaghetti or ordering a pizza. Cooking pasta with an egg sauce is completely foreign to what most Americans grew up eating, and it isn't because we can't grow plants.

>>10614730
To someone who can't pick out the differences, sure, but if you were to substitute a pecorino romano with a parmigiana reggiano I could quickly tell you which one you used.

>>10610963
Babish made good carbonara

>>10613517
>Have massive amounts of HFCS in everything they eat destroyed their tastebuds to the point where they're unironically unable to even taste what they're changing in a dish anymore?
Yes.

>>10615885
>US produce is fine.
1. no it's not
2. even if it were, 99% of americans, including ""chefs"", do not use fresh produce anyway. even amazing produce, once frozen, becomes not so good anymore. it's still edible and enjoyable, but it's not as though you're getting fresh fish and vegetables from your guy a mile up the road, where you can start getting autistic about ingredient quality and letting the ingredients themselves shine through

>>10615885
>US produce is fine.
i have never met anyone who is happy about buying US produce.

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>>10615977
Special regional shit that is dependent on the soil like San Marzano tomatoes or bordeaux grapes obviously aren't going to happen. But the US is the agricultural industrial capital of the world. Growing produce is literally our biggest industry. Our produce is fine, people tend to get butthurt over the industrial corn/soy production but believe me you can head to literally any supermarket in the 48 states and get equivalent stuff to what you would find in europe. The local movement is also a thing now, bubba down the road can hook you up with organic carrots and tomatoes or whatever given that it's seasonal.

>>10616111
The difference is that in the US industrial shit is the norm and the organic heirloom stuff is niche, whereas in Europe the organic heirloom stuff is the norm rather than a niche.

>>It's fine
Fine isn't good enough. Who wants mediocrity?