/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>10578587
because chain restaurants have lost their charm. its not a big deal since you can get it on every corner now. with the help of instagram and youtube, local produce is where its at now, the hip crowd loves it.

>>10578587
Because their food constitutes a micro aggression

Should millennials be required to eat at each chain restaurant once a month, or do we just need to establish a minimum number of visits to any Darden Brands franchise?

Every time I go to a chain restaurant, it is a mediocre experience that I payed too much for. Why spend the money on food that's not so great?

>>10578611
it’s microwaved food. the same stuff you eat at home but better quality and cheaper if you don’t tip.

>>10578594
in the old days you thought you had een special moment by going out with your family to a chain restaurant. Due over stimulation thanks to facebook people don't find it special enough for the money. They prefer to cook something 'special' at home or goe to a gluten free vegtable spaghetti bar that makes their own mustard cream and serves in tiny hats.

>>10578601
Sure I'll go to capital grill every day if the government pays for it

they poor

>>10578626
quite the opposite tbf
millennial choose to spend their disposable income on high quality meal choices than what chain restos can offer

>>10578638
And for that I give you one tip of my chef hat

>>10578595
you are being ironic but the quality of food at places like applebees and olive garden should actually be considered a microaggression on human culinary achievement. fast food at least doesnt have the pretense

>>10578643
No I'm not. I'm a vendor at Olive garden and I see the "food" that is "cooked". It is highly laughable and a crime against humanity

>>10578616
What a retard.
People in the US are learning how to cook again. And now nobody wants to go pay 10 times the amount for lower quality food than they could make at home.
Restaurants suck.
Plain and simple.

>>10578587
Because the menu listings don't have enough adjectives.

>Free-range, organic, gluten-free, local, low-carb, seasonal, and other dumbfuckery.

>>10578638
>that'll be 19.95 plus one fedora tip for m'lady

>>10578587
Because $10 for wings that were microwaved is a rip when I can get hotwings from a fryer for less at a bar down the street.

>>10578587
Because they serve overpriced, shitty food. There's better for cheaper, and I can make anything at a chain restaurant myself and it'll be tastier, and I'll have more fun doing it than I'd have at a fucking Denny's.

>>10578802
>People in the US are learning how to cook again.

Chain sit down restaurants appealed to boomers who have proven time and again they have no taste. Millennials are a sophisticated discriminating generation who refuse to accept boomer mediocrity.

>>10579052
Memes and greentexts are not arguments.

>>10578587
Most are retarded expensive
Only absolute idiots, or rich people, buy a fucking sugar drink for 10 bucks
I wish ols age poverty on them, but theyll just gang up and enforce socialism

>>10579151
he's right

most americans aren't learning to cook
they're getting fatter and stupider.

Good for you for not being one of them, but you do not represent the average

>>10578587
he cute

>go buy stuff to make burgers and fries, get a 6 pack and juiceboxes
>Make a family of 4 dinner for $30 max and have leftover stuff for another time

>Go to applebees
>Spend $70 on burgers that were frozen for the last 2 weeks, fries that were microwaved, $5 glasses of juice and $7 pints
>All thats left is some shitty fries

>>10579216
You THINK they're getting fatter and stupider but cooking is in with the hipster crowd now.Granted none of the cooking being done is exactly high fucking art but that's because America is still rediscovering the basics after a 50 year fucking drought of any at home cooking skills whatsoever, but it's happening now.

Chain restaurants got big for two reasons, first post war commercialization making it hip and successful to eat out rather than cook your own food it was a sign of affluence, second the rise of the international highways making reliable and predictable food important.

However, in the decades since then, the country has shrunk - people fly instead of drive cross country - and now cooking your own food is a sign of affluence and sophistication, a complete 180 from the boomer era. Cross that with hipsters, dietary movements, and the E-Culture that makes waiting 20 minutes for mediocre food an interminable wait like going to the DMV, and your seeing huge shrinkage in the industry that has a lot of companies and restaurants scrambling to find new footing

You aight millennial boy

Some of you faggots are alright don't go to applebees tomorrow

>>10579255
So what I got out of that is you're a hipster and you're offended that America is fatter and dumber than ever

and like always, america is divided into extremes. The fatties didn't just dissolve away.
Dennys and the like might be in decline, but McDonalds isn't

chain restaurants selling overpriced food that isnt the worth the money are going out of business.

I remember going to TGIF like 3-4 months ago with some family, meal was like 20 quid a head (including drinks) and it was pretty sub-standard stuff.

going down to maccy ds with 5 quid and getting yourself a meal deal and an extra cheeseburger is shitty food, but it still tastes solid for its price range.

>ctrl-f yelp
>0 instances
Really, Yelp is what's killing chain restaurants. You can look at your phone most anywhere and find a nearby restaurant that has made a few hundred complete strangers happy to give a try.

>>10579284
>mcdonalds isnt
What their market share has shrank drastically and now they have to compete

>>10578587
because paying $20 plus tip per plate of reheated frozen garbage is absurd

>>10578587
he cute

>wait to be seated
>the whole experience takes at least an hour, sometimes close to twice that
>server who is most likely barely literate expects 25% of the total cost of the meal for correctly delivering a simple order
>food is nearly all microwaved, yet still takes 45 minutes to be served
>overall food quality has just gone to total shit in the last 15 years, tastes worse than most items from the frozen isle in the grocery store

It's like McDonald's quality food at 3 times the price and with an hour wait. I honestly don't know how they're currently in business.

Boomers optimized the shit out of every Business so Millenials have barely any freely spendable income.
The financial state of these restaurants is actually a good indicator of how much the average joe earns.

Because the local restaurants in my area are cheaper and better.

>>10578587
Horrible experience every damn time. Too many people. Too many people bringing their fucking children that run around bumping your chair and their screaming babies behind your head. Too loud of an experience usually where you have to practically shout to the people sitting right next to you. Too expensive and you're always expected to tip as well, otherwise you're an asshole. Servers barge in the middle of a meal/conversation. Niggers are allowed in and you can hear their lip-smacking from across the restaurant.

Why even go?

>>10580476
I hope this is a paragraph from some 20 something millennial's draft novel where he's writing the next "Ulysses," kek.

>>10578587
Unironically because they have way higher standards even if they don't deserve to in some cases.

>>10578587
Do you people need to be so fucking aggressively contrarian?

First chain restaurants suck. Now millennials suck for not wanting them around? Make up your fucking pea brained minds.

>>10579284
Not the guy you were talking to, but you're being overly antagonistic and it just seems like you hope for the worst for people, in my opinion.

>>10579052
I cook. My girlfriend cooks. Everyone I know cooks. Sorry your irrelevant country doesn't get better.

>>10579138
>(insert younger generation here) are a discriminating generation who refuse to accept (insert older generation here).

People don't become more sophisticated like that. They just rebel against the previous generation.

>>10579432
>>the whole experience takes at least an hour, sometimes close to twice that

I might be in the minority but this is exactly why I do not eat out.

My girlfriend and mom love to and I don't fucking understand it.

Order on the phone. FUCKING TAKE IT HOME. I'm comfortable and I'm eating. Why the fuck would I want to wait so long to eat at a place with terrible chairs

>>10580586
people have become hugely more sophisticated in regards to food. tremendously so

>>10580608
Which is simply a pushback based on the previous generation. Which itself was a pushback from the generation that preceded it.

>>10580640
>simply a pushback
No shit! So what's your point since the next generation realized what the previous generation held dear (i.e., sysco microwaved pig slop with a 20% gratuity tacked on 'cause muh owner needs tuh screw both the employees and customer) was inferior and rejected it for the myriad other choices that have cropped up to sagisfy that demand. But then, since if it isn't a megacorp it's literally hipster communism. You're the kind of idiot that proves some anons belong on certain containment boards.

>>10578616
oh, boomers
>going to a shitty cheap cookie cutter restaurant serving microwaved gray patties
>a special moment
you retard, genx and millennials evolved into people with an actual taste for food instead of being mindless children (i.e boomers) who will refuse to eat anything that isn't packed with sugar and lard

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSeua1JuZqc

Literally no one in america knows how to cook. Anderson Cooper is a 50 year old man and this looks like the first time he's even stepped in a kitchen in his entire life. Eating food that doesn't come from a fucking microwave is considered "pushing his culinary boundaries." And he's amazed by the dicing of an onion. Think about that for awhile.

>>10580518
>implying writing books is bad
Tell us again how you dropped out at 15, did a bunch of drugs and fucked a bunch of whores all on a quest to be a rockstar with your garage band that never really took off, grandpa.

Can't believe the disrespect of the eldery I see in this thread. You all need to respect your elders and if the chain restaurants need a bailout you better work hard to pay for it.

>>10580597
>Girlfriend and Mom love to dine out.

And you don't get this?
Do you cook/clean up after every night?
The kitchen can feel like a gulag when it's cook and clean up after every meal every day.

>>10580777
The fucked thing of it is plenty of millenials grew up totally believing that they would be living in an age of plenty and their folks told them to worry about absolutely nothing. In the worst cases of this, the millennials not only don't care about their parents in spite of the drastic changes society and the world underwent compared to their expectations, but millennials also don't care about each other at all, sometimes not even themselves.

>>10580777
Wasted trips.

>>10580736
>he's amazed by the dicing of an onion
Well to be fair he has to act that way for the cameras because he's a fucking journo and that's his job to act impressed towards people he talks to.

>>10580812
>everything's pretty good given that you're in the middle class
>don't get a job dude you don't need to it's fine, just go to school
>college is real dude I got a career afterward so all you need to do is get a BA and you're fine
>9/11
>economy becomes fucked later in the decade
>kids realize too late that undergrad is literally high school 2.0 and a huge money sink
>all these shitty degrees that mean absolutely nothing that no one fucking cares about at all

>>10580817
wasted birth

>>10578587
theyre shit

>>10580800
I guarantee neither cook, Anon didn't mention a dad so it implicates a single mother. Women like going out so they can play dress up and typically aren't expected to pay, also social media
>Look at my pasta, I'm eating out I have a such a vibrant and busy social life

chain restaurants can die out for all i care, hopefully the flyover fatasses that frequent them die too. yeah there's plenty of dumb shit in this new age of milliennial restaurants (dont even get me started on that disingenuous "farm to table" marketing), but i'd rather go out to a place with a good beer selection and a patio and pay a little more than go to a chili's where there's kids screaming everywhere and running around and you order shit that was thrown in a microwave.

>>10580846
this. looking back a decade ago to high school, it's insane how much of the high school experience was geared toward going to college. we had "guidance counselors" that we met with once a month to figure out what we wanted to major in and what colleges we were interested in. and this is from a town that had a well-known regional vocational school one town over. thankfully i picked smart and did computer science and now make 6 figures (and had my schooling paid for), but i look at friends making a fraction of what i do and with massive student loan debt and feel bad.

>>10580895
This
Like repels like

the new semi-fast food chains like chipotle, five guys, blaze pizza, and now poke all blow shitty tier chain restaurants out of the water because they offer relatively good quality food for cheaper
these are the news chains that are actually successful

>>10578587
Boomer tier food.

>>10581043
Proving people still have shit taste, the food's still mediocre, just the parameters have changed and it's 'healthy'now.

>>10578587

Because they're frogposters

>>10580872
Hey at least MY parents wanted me.

>>10580736
Anderson Cooper is an unashamed faggot and child molester

>>10578611
You go to a restaurant to eat good tasting food you don't have to make if you're looking for more of an experience then that, you are wasting your money

>>10579216
>they're getting fatter and stupider.
No, sweetie. Why do you think that people are so desperate to import a bunch of squatamalans?

>>10578587

food channel on TV became popular and millennial started to cook for themselves

I am really confused I thought we hated chain restaurants. That is how everything used to be here.

Why are there so many millennials on here LARPing as 63 year old rural flyover boomers? Killing off chains? Who gives a fuck?? What is lost if all the McDonalds close down? Your lardass won't know where to go for lunch anymore? Are we losing a precious piece of """"""""American culture""""""""? Please fucking tell me, because I'm at a loss.

>>10578587
Very funny OP you get me.

>>10580983
It's not just a flyover thing dude. I live in Commiefornia and every city I have lived in there has had a lot of chain restaurants always full of people

>>10579027
>t. Boomer who subsisys solely on Jew agriculture lobby “food products”

>>10578587
you can really see the entitlement and short attention span of the newer generations on display here

everything has to be fancy schmancy and new for them and they can't go two days eating the same thing. gastronomic ADHD basically

I weep for the future

>>10580736
Bourdain is a fucking mess. Why does he feel the need to cut the onion in the horizontal direction, the fucking layers already divide it. Guy need to sort himself out, maybe clean his room a little.

>>10579027
Have you actually eaten at these places? The food is salty microwaved crap.

>>10581422
The layers are circles anon. Each of the three planes you can cut an onion on will still make the pieces smaller.

>>10580983
You sound like an insufferable faggot, and don’t you know everyone is a computer science grad making 6 figures?

>>10578587
>killing off something only poor people and negros eat at
i see no problem tbqh family

>>10581430
He only ends up bisecting one of the circular layers though. Could accomplish the same by making more vertical cuts.

Thank you based millennials

>>10581396
Well, what value is there in eating the same thing two or more days in a row if I don't want to and have the resources to avoid it?

DAB ON EM KID!

>>10581443
The lower you are on the onion (ie the closer a horizontal cut is to penetrating the layer at a right angle) the more valuable horizontal cuts are, and vice versa. Assuming the cuts are evenly spaced, a horizontal cut right near the top barely cuts anything and produces a big chunk, while a horizontal cut at the bottom cuts through a bunch of layers and produces small chunks.

Fortunately for us, it's also easier and safer to do the cuts where they are most effective, vertical ones in the top / middle, horizontal at the bottom / sides.

>>10578587
Based frog in a tuxedo poster.

>>10581434
>making 6 figures?
if you're in NYC/bay area/seattle/austin. other than that, unless you're senior/a manager, you're not

>>10579052
Gordon Ramsey has inspired me bro.

>>10581396

nah fuck that.
Unlike a lot of young people I really do revere the past, and I think there's something special to American culture, even our dietary culture. A good old fashioned American diner, for instance, is one of the best things around in my opinion. But chain restaurants are something we could do with less of. That being said, I think plenty of chains will survive, and even simplistic and cheap burger and fries menus can still be successful with younger generations as long as they're good. See: Wendy's, Chick-fil-a

>>10580752
pls dlt this

>>10580576
Not that guy, but he's being realistic and doesn't sound like he wants it.

>>10579465
>this
One of the few sensible posts in this thread.

>>10579255
I think what's happening in america is not only what you are talking about, but also combined with the fact that amazon is killing chains of all kinds, I think what will end up happening is one giant big box amazon umbrella and the renewal of the "mom and pop" store. Chains will die in favor of the giant conglomerate and the local corner shop and I couldn't be happier because of it

>>10578802
This is laughable, mutt.

>>10579398
kek

>>10579465
>optimized the shit out of
That's a funny way to spell 'shipped to China'

>>10578587

>90% of people 4chan are Millenials
>rest is gen z

===4chan is killing chain restos

>>10580571
I'm super contrarian but am 100% on the side of millenials, and even the most hipster faggot bowtie bacon and ipa millenials- in the crusade against chain restaurants

>>10580579
>girlfriend(male)

>>10578587
>gf and I go to Olive Garden because that's what she wants
>my entree was $17 and the chicken on my pasta was fucking microwaved
>manager didn't understand why I was so pissed when I sent it back

>>10582092
Nah it seems more like he wants to use any excuse he can to criticize america while also ignoring the renaissance happening around cooking in america because it conflict with the "everything america does is bad" narrative. Of course we still have a problem with obesity but so does the UK and a few other european countries, the only point about mcdonalds is that it's convenient, not necessarily that americans love it

>>10582139
Don't speak to me.

>>10582150
>gen x
>14% of the population
So that whole hippie free love decade happens to coincide with a halved birthrate compared to both before and after? What's up with that?

>>10578802
this

>>10582163
>not loving McDonalds
Reported to FBI for sedition. Have fun in supermax, commie scum.

>>10582139
Please stop calling us mutts, it's actually really hurtful. I'm of mixed decent and I am proud to be a "mutt".

>>10582192
kek, don't get me wrong I love a good double cheeseburger and fries with a small nuggets when I just can't be arsed but I immediately feel like I gotta hit the gym afterwards. Or sleep the rest of the day. I'm just saying

>>10579304
This pretty much, fast food and takeout places are basically serving the same food but at a lower cost.

>>10582201
Everyone's a fucking mutt tbf

>>10582158
>manager didn't understand why I was so pissed when I sent it back
that's actually kind of sad

>>10582158
On the one hand I agree with your anger and disgust, on the other hand it's an Olive Garden so not sure what you expect

>>10582214
Nuh uh, black people are from Wakanda and are kangz.

>>10580846
hey sienc degrees arent shitty!

>>10582178
the pill dude

>>10582141
fuck you. I said he cute way before him and you didnt give me a kek.

>>10579027
Wrong

Hey tip me for throwing this plate at you!

Aren't these establishments funded and operated by bored rich kids?

>>10578587
Are they? If that's true that's a damn good thing, chains are rarely as good as independents.

>>10582494
sorry dude let me find your post real quick

>>10579227
kek, but even harder than that other post

>>10581750
It’s a known fact that everyone wpon 4chan is a volcel Chad who makes lots of money as an engineer, computer scientist, or financier

>>10583215
>tfw actually a staff engineer taking part in a drive to hire 60+ entry level positions for my branch of a major consulting firm
>Stopped giving advice because blackpilled juniors in college are getting too hopped up on NEET memes to realize that the internet isnt real life
We are still talking down requirements with the principal but soon its going to be 60 "anyone who can write fizzbuzz on a whiteboard"

>>10581340
That is one old image you got there

>>10582214
Yes, that's what we're mocking...

>>10583408
>consulting
cancer
>entry level
so, instead of indeed people who can code fizzbuzz but need more expeirence, you're looking for people with 50 years of experience with C# and React, right?

>>10583514
Yeah, those NEET memes. I bet you wont take 55 starting either right?

>>10583521
I would like to make more than 55$ a year, yes.

>>10583533
Wow what an ungrateful little shit in my day we worked all week for some garlic cloves and a shekel at Jew Christmas. But really, we send people back to their campus to try and get grads from the area to come work for us. The seniors think a 25k extra in their salary to go work in silicon valley is a good idea and the juniors think we wont take anyone at less than a Ph.D unless they have a retarded experience bill behind them. Most of it is because those indeed listings (i still get spam from monster after 5 years change your email) are written by IA guys that think more words is better. The fact that you went to college for 4 years and have a high school diploma means we will totally believe whatever you put for 5 years experience

>>10583408
>search entry level coding job
>3years of experience asked in every fucking post
Do you hr niggers at least know what entry level means?

>>10583562
>and the juniors think we wont take anyone at less than a Ph.D unless they have a retarded experience bill behind them.
that's because it's absolutely true. I'm not in software myself, but have you ever tried to get a job that wasn't handed to you by mommy or daddy? It's fucking impossible. I ended up having to join the navy reserves and even then I needed a ton of references and security shit and had to wave around robotics and school club "leadership" shit to get enlisted

even getting into school in the first place, they require you already be very familiar with the content, even at the lowest levels. wanna go into an engineering program? your math and science aren't good enough, better have some robotics comp awards or an indie sandbox game or something under your belt. Wanna get a machining certificate? better have a driver's license and a portfolio of machines or sculptures you've made. wanna go to culinary arts school? better have a rosette or two or you're not getting in. art school or 3dcg? better have a portfolio and have worked on some animated movies or games by now when you're fucking 17 and applying for community college

>The fact that you went to college for 4 years and have a high school diploma means we will totally believe whatever you put for 5 years experience
why do you lie to the children?

>>10580736
Anderson Cooper is some fucking clone slug pulled out of a ZOG vat, kike scientists are lucky they got half of these monsters to walk and talk.

>>10581279
When I say "experience" it should be obvious that I'm talking about the food. Chain restaurants usually serve microwaved and mediocre food.

>>10580736
i hate america because they're slowly making other countries like this (especially canada) and i hate it

>>10583562
>the juniors think we wont take anyone at less than a Ph.D
why do you think they believe this is the case

>>10583583
>I'm not in software myself, but have you ever tried to get a job that wasn't handed to you by mommy or daddy?
Like the one I have now or the temp work I did before this? I moved out at 18 and only see the family for Christmas anymore, most of them couldnt even be assed to come to my wedding. Most of the blackpill memes these kids are dealing with come from them being shit. Good for you getting that extra leadership stuff in because that what we need, not "muh 4.0" trash from some stoner that did the homework and spent the rest of college playing melee. If I wanted someone with a 4.0 I have like 50 Pajeets and 60 Zhu's that have that and some BS internship from the same professor in their home country.
>why do you lie to the children
What uni are you applying to that wants work experience for any program as a requirement? Because I have trashed resumes from plenty of nice places specifically because their program is an expensive polished turd. Our best pipeline for talent has been a fucking public university that was everyones 3rd backup

>>10583583
>a driver's license
in turn requires going to driver's ed, which is private but accredited, and requires a pre-evaluation of your understanding of the rules of the road as well as at least a few FIA recognized amateur motorsport wins (preferably Formula Ford, Superkart, or Autocross) to get in to do your year of instruction before you can do your first road test.

>>10583632
>your first road test.
Don't you have to bring your own car to those, too?

>>10583624
>Most of the blackpill memes these kids are dealing with come from them being shit.
so basically, "entry level" indeed is not the place for shitters and noobs to become amateurs and pros, but a place for pros only.

>What uni are you applying to that wants work experience for any program as a requirement?
literally any art or design program/school anywhere ever will require a portfolio of completed works and are hilariously competitive, engineering technology (i.e. machining, but not quite) tend to also require portfolios and proof of mechanical knowledge through awards or notable clubs attended (like if you can point yourself out as The Guy Who Brought A Su-27 With Functional Thrust Vectoring To The RC Aircraft Show on some youtube from 2004), CS programs have coding tests just to get in like the typical fizzbuzz and other sofware-oriented shit-testing.

the only programs that don't do this are MBAs, and yet they're the ones that always get hired at these (((consulting))) firms to prattle on about what software and programming languages need using in the current year

>>10583583
>>10583566
What exactly did you losers do in college? If you leave school with nothing to show for it but your homework assignments thats really on you. Christ go do some coding golf or join an academic club, those count as experience before you get your degree

>>10578587
Chain restaurants SUCK.

>>10583643
>so basically, "entry level" indeed is not the place for shitters and noobs to become amateurs and pros, but a place for pros only.
What is University. Ill take "Dumb shit NEET memes claim" for 800, Alex
>literally any art or design program/school anywhere ever will require a portfolio of completed works and are hilariously competitive, engineering technology (i.e. machining, but not quite) tend to also require portfolios and proof of mechanical knowledge through awards or notable clubs attended (like if you can point yourself out as The Guy Who Brought A Su-27 With Functional Thrust Vectoring To The RC Aircraft Show on some youtube from 2004), CS programs have coding tests just to get in like the typical fizzbuzz and other sofware-oriented shit-testing
What is taking tip-top art university requirements and claiming every program everywhere does this.

>>10583632
>to get a driver's license, you have to first prove you can drive
>/r9k/ blackpill memelords are actually upset about this

>As soon as someone has a different answer than I do, I ask them to get out of my office and then quietly call security to deal with that blackpiller

>>10583666
>tip-top art university requirements
cry hyperbole all you want, satan, but even my local community colleges require portfolios and write out that they are not willing to help students get better at drawing throughout the program, even in technical programs about using 3d software or whatever other non-traditional media

>>10578587
Because it's overpriced garbage. Last time I went to a Denny's they fucking charged me $2 per cup of coffee (I had two) and $3 per cup of orange juice. On top of that their food was mediocre trash.

>>10583566
It actually takes more like 5 years to learn how to code decently. Good news is that you're literally sitting in front of everything you need to learn how right now. Bad news is that most peoples' brains just don't work well enough to code. Companies obviously don't want to pay salary to find out which you are; write something useful and you can get an interview anywhere.

>>10583686
How competitive is this school? Is it a shit filter or are teenagers really banging down the door here? The link in the corner doesnt really go anywhere except some college in NYC. They also make a convincing arguement as to why they do it but that doesnt really carry over into the disciplines youre bitching about primarily.

>>10583695
it takes 5 years
interesting how it's juuuuuuuuuuuust long enough to make the 4 years you spent in school being actively taught about it completely null and void

>Good news is that you're literally sitting in front of everything you need to learn how right now.
>le just look it up online and be le self-made man :^)
But then you don't have certificates to show for it, ensuring you never get through the automated HR filters.

>>10583686
>then to
Your community college doesn't seem very good

>>10583698
It's literally where most english-speaking people here go straight out of high school. The average, or at least modal, age of people enrolling for the first time is LITERALLY 17 years of age. Maybe the actual mean is a little higher, but most people you'll meet who are in their first year will be 17 or 18.

>be 17 years old
>have been playing with level editors or whatever for a bit
>"I wanna make buildings for movies and vidya!"
>can't paint like da vinci
>school tells you to fuck off and not come back until you've had your own line of comic books

>>10583514
That's sort of funny. I once saw a job years ago that was asking for more experience in node than it was out. I think the wrong people are creating those job postings.

>>10583643
Not going to speak to the other professions but yeah, you can't just show up to an interview and not know how to code at all. Although I will concede most tests are testing the wrong type of thing. Implementing quicksort or some such thing is not what you will be doing in most jobs. Fizzbuzz though, that's something you should know how to do.

>>10583673
I think I sort of see where the first guy is coming from in that you would rather have much more readable code instead of trying to save a tiny bit of memory. Also the second guys example only works with numbers (of course you could implement a similar solution but it would be less efficient and less readable). However you certainly shouldn't write somebody off for that. That's idiocy.

>>10583673
That one is completely justified. Easy problems require easy solutions, not smart ones. I don't want to turn on my internal SMT solver just to comprehend that someone wanted to swap two values.
Now, "how would you swap to integers without using a new variable" would be a good follow-up question.

>>10583698
>he link in the corner doesnt really go anywhere
>not seeing that it's obviously and badly cropped
the absolute STATE of programmers

>>10583715
>a 5 line well known algorithm that can be processed over one frame is less of an "easy solution" than instantiating variables and writing shit so you can swap variables over two or three frames?

>"how would you swap to integers without using a new variable"
floor() and maybe re instantiate it as an int if that's even necessary in your chosen language

>>10583713
>fizzbuzz
2bh my dude I had NEVER heard of this game in my life before so even if I were an expert programmer, and I was told "Code FizzBuzz!" I would not be able to do it. A potential job lost because my knowledge of kids' games is ever so slightly different from yours. Nice!

>you would rather have much more readable code instead of trying to save a tiny bit of memory.
have you heard of these things called "comments" and "documentation"?
i never even liked programming, not even doing markup as a child with HTML with my dad, but holy fuck, I will never EVER become a programmer, because of having to deal with ""senior"" programmers (i.e. junior programmers who were lucky enough to get handed an internship) who think they're such hot shit but are capable of approximately nothing

it's especially bad among indie game devs too, i fucking hate those people so much

>>10583713
>>10583713
>That's sort of funny. I once saw a job years ago that was asking for more experience in node than it was out
I see this all the time, usually for React or HTML5

also funny stuff like 200 YEARS OF JQUERY EXPERIENCE REQUIRED but then no mention of javascript itself

>>10583711
Well if its any consolation plenty of european art school rejects have gone on to do great things.

>>10583686
>>10583698
>>10583711
you know what, maybe if I need to be able to draw to get into this 3d modelling and animation program, I should take a drawing cla--

oh wait, I need to have taken a drawing class to get into the drawing class.

>>10583647
>oh i see you have personal projects but what about previous jobs :^)

>>10578587
Exhibit A.
Millennials aren't killing businesses. Consumers aren't obligated to buy a shitty overpriced products that they aren't interested in.

If a business fails to adapt to the market or declines in quality so much that they can't turn a profit, then they only have themselves to blame.

>>10583730
You seem angry. They wouldn't ask you to "code fizzbuzz" they would explain the a test they wanted you to write up. Also, comments are great but often become out of date or are left out completely. The real source of truth is the actual code which should be made as simply as possible. Also what are you talking about by frame? A cycle? Again this is completely negligible. Sometimes you need to make concessions to make something more performant. This is not one of those times lol

>>10583647
what in the fuck is coding golf

>>10583753
one time when i was literally 14 and looking to make some pocket money, someone asked about my previous work experience

it was for a job selling ice cream out of a bike-mounted cart in the touristy area of our port in town

>>10583755
Its where you go golfing with middle management and do some networking. You DO have coding clubs right?

>>10583744
just like MC Ride Says, looks like it's time to gas and bomb

>>10583755
I dunno but whatever it is you need 12 years experience in it to get an entry level job as a janitor anywhere that has a computer in it

>>10582139
Why though?

>>10583761
>went to public school
>now doomed to literally never EVER get a job because I couldn't go "golfing" with old dudes and be their playtoy in exchange for an unpaid internship in 10 years

>>10583730
>a 5 line well known algorithm that can be processed over one frame is less of an "easy solution" than instantiating variables and writing shit so you can swap variables over two or three frames?
Yes. There's still an interrupt in your thought flow when you're reading it: "What... oh, that". I'd prefer to concentrate on the important parts, not trivial ones made hard.

>have you heard of these things called "comments" and "documentation"?
If your trivial code requires comments, you have failed. Damn, in our >100KLOC C++ codebase with some heavy optimizations in certain places the comments (aside from 1-2 sentences explaining what the file does) are very rare, because it's just readable by itself.

>>10583754
>>10583730
Unless you are talking about a rendering frame in which case they are all made in the same frame. I am curious what you mean by frame.

>>10583769
>There's still an interrupt in your thought flow when you're reading it:
who gives a fuck, is the end user reading your code or are you concerned with it working fast and being maintainable?

>If your trivial code requires comments
ah I see, you're one of those retards who literally thinks comments make code worse. do you think comments also make it run slower, too?

why are numales so deathly afraid of comments in code?

>>10578587
Why is every frog poster awful, every time?

>>10583755
Its part of a popular a site where you do puzzles with code. The goal is to complete an objective in the least lines of code.

>>10583769
This exactly. Trivial code should not need comments. I don't want to read a paragraph about how clever you think you are. It only slows work down

>>10583772
>I am curious what you mean by frame.
one execution/cycle/whatever you want to call it

a frame is actually not only from rendering, the origin of the word is most likely from networking where one frame is one full packet with header and footer (or more accurately, it refers to the header and footer itself, but you wouldn't have those if you didn't have a packet to send)

>>10583788
Ah yeah I have heard it used with packets. Not in reference to a clock cycle though

Comments literally make a codebase less maintainable and less readable.

>>10583704
FOC just means entry level; companies will happily teach you the day-to-day if you can show them you learned all the shit you were supposed to have learned by then. Big tech companies especially love fresh faces with a degree who can explain red-black trees and binomial heaps and the difference between top-down and bottom-up parsers.
You can also prove you can hack it by actually writing something that's not shit (or a bunch of shit that's at least coded competently). Companies will also be happy to bring you up to speed on CS fundamentals if they see you can code complex behaviors correctly, i.e properly accounting for edge cases and program state, even if it's just via the million if statements approach beloved by self-taught programmers.
It's just if you come to them having accomplished nothing and learned nothing, chances are you are nothing. People who have brains functional enough to code and who desire to code usually end up being provably able to code.

>>10583758
I think you meant to respond to
>>10583749
>>10583647
>>10583566

But yeah, it's bullshit. You can't even get an entry level job these days without some prior on-the-job experience. As a recent college grad I've been looking for a job, but every time I see an entry level position they're always looking for 1-3 years of relevant on-the-job experience.

I've noticed that even a lot minimum wage retail jobs are like this too. In fact I've found that the applications for these types of jobs are even longer than the professional ones.

The bottom line is that everyone wants someone with on-the-job experience but no one wants to hire a beginner so they can get that experience.

>>10583808
Its something people who only write code dont get. Documentations isnt always needed but it should be there for things like
>Widely used libraries if you work on open source stuff that doesnt have a readme
>Code you are going to be coming back to like a sticky note, packages being used have this IO (Deprecated: most IDEs do this for you)
>Quick explanation why you did something unusual i.e. I didnt return set.add because the new IE version broke that
>

>>10578611
This.

It's the same reason Subway's being run into the ground right now. If I go in there I can get the worst shittiest sandwich I've ever had for the price of a great sandwich at the local shop down the block. Hours are better at Subway but that's about it and that's not going to cut it.

>>10583801
I'm only used to shitheaded indie devs, speedrunners, and networking people, so it's easy to generalize "frame" as "one cycle" or at least "whatever can change in the smallest unit of time the software has between cycles"

even speedrunners and indie shitheads who aren't quite too shitheaded will differentiate between a visual frame and an actual frame where appropriate, sorta like how there's pixels and then "subpixels"

>>10583818
>Big tech companies especially love fresh faces with a degree who can explain red-black trees and binomial heaps and the difference between top-down and bottom-up parsers.
no they don't not even indie studios like those people. i've worked with some, in fact, they're all like this: lazy, haughty, self-centered, unwilling to cooperate, and unwilling to learn or even double-check documentation. and very bizarrely unwilling to ever write comments or consolidate/modularize code.

again, why do you lie to the children?

>You can also prove you can hack it by actually writing something that's not shit
wow really because just look at the reactions to >>10583673
>If your trivial code requires comments, you have failed.
>There's still an interrupt in your thought flow when you're reading it: "What... oh, that".
>I don't want to read a paragraph about how clever you think you are. It only slows work down

programmers need to be gassed and bombed

>>10583775
>who gives a fuck
Me, because I'm the one who will read the code years down the line.
>are you concerned with it working fast and being maintainable?
First and foremost, I am concerned with my code being correct, and that is firstly achieved by using the most simple method you can think of.
>fast
Making a third variable will make the compiler instantly emit the XCHG instruction. For the other solution it has to start a symbolic expression solver to understand that it swaps the variables, and if it finds the solution it will again emit XCHG instruction. So, in the best case, you're making your compilation slower. In the worst case, the exchange will be done exactly as it was written. Next expression depends on the previous, it's a data hazard, which means you will stall the pipeline for a bit. The "clever" solution is literally worse in every possible way.

But if we're talking about the general nontrivial case, most of the time you'll have a very clear place where most of the time is spent. Just the other week I had to implement something ~2 thousands line slong. And you know what it spent 70% of the time? NV12->RGB conversion. 100 lines. THAT is where I want spending my time thinking. THAT is where I want to concentrate my effort on. Not the useless fluff that will literally save 0.2 processor cycles.

>maintainable
What you're proposing is the antonym of "maintainable".

>you're one of those retards who literally thinks comments make code worse
No. There are hard problems, that require hard solutions. You will need to comment on that. You will need to comment somewhere where you cheated an OS or a compiler. You will need to comment the purpose of a class (if its name doesn't say enough).

>>10578611
>that I payed too much for.
this is really the problem. i know mcdos and subway and even chain sit-down places like boston pizza or w/e are gonna be trash, but why are they charging the same as actual decent cuisine? it's reached a point where I can get a cheaper burger and fries at any pub than I can at mcdonalds. a trio there is like 10 bucks, a burger and fries at a pub is 5 and a pint is another 5.

>>10581479
Its an onion it doesnt have to be even. Just chop and cook. Salads and other decoration are different.

>>10583834
You can. There's no one threatening to break their kneecaps if they don't adhere to these """"""job requirements""''""". Just don't be afraid to challenge them, tell them what you think about their bullshit requirements. Call them a pussy for not taking a chance on you. You want to get your foot in the door? Fuck that, kick the door in.

>>10583808
This. Anyone who disagrees is a hack and I would never hire them.

>>10583852
Hey retards no one cares about your shity coding careers

>>10583839
I'm honestly curious, why do you think it would be better to save a single instruction and write comments instead of just writing it plainly? Do you think that additional instruction would make a difference? Especially with today's technology. Is it faster for you or more importantly the next dev who needs to read it?

>>10583862
>You should code badly on purpose because computers are fast

I really hope you don't write code

>>10583840
I think the guy is just rusing us. I guess I am done with this conversation.

>>10583834
>Doesnt have a git
>Doesnt have a capstone
>Doesnt have an internship
>Yeah I was in gamers club does that count I was sitting at a computer
In my experience theres never an in between. Its always either some A student slacker that did nothing in school but smoke weed and go to class because its how he did so well in highschool or its the kid that had three internships, has his name on a bunch of gnu libraries, lead the IEEE club to greatness in states in micromouse and has latent psychic abilities. My advice is the same as the other guy, if a place wants work experience apply anyways, the HR and IA people who write those ads rarely know what the job actually needs

>$70 meal for 2 vs. $10 worth of filling fast food
shiggy

>>10583851
>There's no one threatening to break their kneecaps if they don't adhere to these """"""job requirements""''"""
uhhhh what are Human Resouces and Middle/Upper Management?

>Fuck that, kick the door in.
I frequently consider going to software design houses and throwing in some incendiaries or smoke ordinance, actually

>>10583862
>why do you think it would be better to save a single instruction and write comments instead of just writing it plainly?
gotta save those frames, baby

>Is it faster for you or more importantly the next dev who needs to read it?
the next dev who reads it should be capable of basic math, and even if he's not, he's hopefully literate and can understand the comment left explaining the process

why do you hate comments so much? why do numales hate comments so much? I know a few programmers, mostly indie dev types, and they all loathe comments, and I see this sort of thing elsewhere online too. why do numales get so triggered by comments in code?

>>10583872
he's not. go to /g/, go to /vg/agdg, go to reddit, go to stackexchange, most programmers are actually like this, and the ones in hiring positions and those who go entrepreneurial are almost ALL like this.

>>10579327
who gives a shit about yelp? Nobody I know even has the app, and at this point it's a normie meme that yelp reviews are shit.

>>10581300
>millenials watching TV cooking shows
is this an alternate reality, or you are just simply retarded?

>>10583875
>>Doesnt have a git
>>Doesnt have a capstone
>>Doesnt have an internship
if he had those things he wouldnt need your slave wage coding monkey "job"

>>10578587
Because we want higher quality, responsibly sourced food instead of microwaved slop. A lot of chains recognize that and have started adjusting their menus to fit that want, but it's probably too late

>>10582139
>mutt
tryhard newfag

>>10583878
HR writes all that shit, but they really just want someone who knows what they're doing and is confident that they know what they're doing. Whatever you're like outside of work doesn't matter, but when you're trying to get a job, you gotta command respect or you won't get it. There's a reason assholes get ahead.

>>10582153
huh?

>>10583858
Where is your git?

>>10583896
This is a complete non-sequitur. What the fuck are you even addressing? I guess it was a bit much to expect even basic literacy and any ability to follow a conversation out of a so-called programmer.

>>10583878
I think you are misunderstanding. I think you are the one rusing us. You fail to actually reply to what we say and instead throw out insults or deliberately try to twist words lol. Clearly a novice ruseman but you did have me going for a bit.

>>10583889
Yeah, he might have been worth something and not in the codelet pit with the game design majors and H1B hopefuls

>>10583839
>calling clock cycles frames
>not instantly realizing derek's solution is completely retarded
Nice LARP faggot, but if you're a programmer, I'm the pope.

>>10583758
>one time when i was literally 14 and looking to make some pocket money, someone asked about my previous work experience
how does anyone actually get a job when it's like this, realtalk

>>10583867
There is a difference between "coding badly" and "not spending time on something that wouldn't have any effect". To translate to the language of the freshman uni student (which you most likely are): of course you shouldn't use bubble sort, but there's literally nothing wrong with using internal sort function that's not optimized to your specific usecase if it's not in the hot path".
Before you say it: yes, you still do have to understand all the different sorting algorithms.

>>10583695
>It actually takes more like 5 years to learn how to code decently
you are retarded. It depends of the technology, but if you are not a fucking data scientist(you need more to do that than coding, statistics, machine learning, BI stuff) and you only need to build and maintain websites and mobile apps then you don't even need to go to college. Go to a bootcamp, and spend the next year getting certifications. Then your good to go. I hate when a newfag cocky wordpress developer tries to larp about how programing is hard. It's not, you just need to start doing it.
T. big data analyst/former backend architect

>>10583906
Unpaid chores pham, you want to get ahead you gotta start early its fuckin cutthroat out here on the paperboy routes

>>10583905
>if you're a programmer
i never said im a programmer, i said the opposite, i dont want to go into programming because programmers are filth who need to be gassed and bombed

that doesnt change the fundamentals of arithmetic and execution order, though

>>10583911
>Go to a bootcamp, and spend the next year getting certifications.
But where will the necessary 30+ years of React and Node.js and jQuery experience all come from that I need to work as a secretary?

>>10583918
>that doesnt change the fundamentals of arithmetic and execution order, though
Then respond to the point I made in >>10583840 about compilers.

>>10581396
Tell us about how you deserve your pensions AND social security even though we're paying for more than 70% of it.

>>10583875
>Doesnt have an internship
>Doesnt have a capstone

>thinking these things will get you anywhere.

First not all majors at all schools assign/offer capstone projects.

However my brother did do a capstone project and he still can't find work in his field. Most of these HR cucks don't seem to even know what a capstone project is. Also I've done 2 internships, but they want to see actual paid experience or it doesn't matter to them.

>git
This is only applicable to people who are looking to get jobs in programing, and again, it's no replacement for experience working with people at a company.

>>10583925
the only point you made in >>10583925 is that you're a lazy nitwit who can't read

>>10583929
I'm done. You won. Take this one internet, you earned it.

>apply to be a line cook at a greasy spoon
>"Sorry, I know you went to culinary arts school and have worked at the Ritz Carlton for 9 years, but we really can't hire you. We're looking for someone who has more experience. We need someone with at least 10 years experience."

>>10583928
Capstones an unpaid internship to your professor as far as HR is concerned, they dont know the difference. What field are you looking at that internships arent actually worth anything?

>>10582145
This.

>>10583905
Not him but you sound like a really self-absorbed junior who doesn't know shit but thinks that he's the hotest fuck because he knows some linear regression/flashy calculus or something like that. That's why I hate newgrads so fucking much, scummiest lazyest motherfuckers in the field.
>>10583923
I wold rather hire a self-made junior, they are hard-working, self-motivated, and have genuine love for the field. You don't need to have years of experience, but you need to prove yourself somehow - so go and get certifications and contribute to open-source projects. It's not that fucking hard.

>>10582201

>>10583930
90% of your post was just outlining that you're unwilling to read "complex" code and if you think the difference of one or two lines that won't throw some kind of fatal error entirely will significantly affect compile time you're a retard

and that's on top of you not getting the point that being asked "how to swap two variables' values" having multiple solutions shouldn't be a trigger to so-called ""senior programmers""

>If they don't start with creating a third variable they're a badwrong programmer because they didn't do the exact solution i would REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
no wonder software is all shit these days, actual coding departments are all run by iraq army tier buffoons who are deathly afraid of anyone more competent than them (or even just more creative than or just slightly different from them) taking their jobs

>>10583940
>I wold rather hire a self-made junior,
t. unemployed

>>10583940
>but you need to prove yourself somehow
yeah i guess having been to school for something isn't enough to prove you studied something
>so go and get certifications and contribute to open-source projects. It's not that fucking hard.
so to get a programming job, you need to have worked for at least 20 years at Canonical or Mozilla, ok cool thanks for the info

>ask someone online if i can help with their FOSS thing
>"What have you worked on before? We have to be sure we can trust your commits"

Because you can afford to eat expensive vegan restaurants and whole foods take out when Mommy and Daddy are still paying the bills, even though you're 32.

>>10583808
agreed tbqh

>>10583953
>yeah i guess having been to school for something isn't enough to prove you studied something
It sounds silly now, but you should screencap that and keep it in your wallet or something. University didnt prep you for anything and youll realize that within a year of your first real job in the field. When its you sitting there looking over resumes youll look back and laugh at this

>>10583956
>Because you can afford to eat expensive vegan restaurants and whole foods take out when Mommy and Daddy are still paying the bills, even though you're 32.

Jesus, this is my kids. I try to give them the best and they literally try to take all they can from me. But they're my progeny... can't just disown them. lol

>>10583818
>companies will happily teach you the day-to-day
blatantly untrue, i have never worked for a company that did this.

even when I did customer support, just asking for documentation on the game I was supporting was met with a resounding "No; download the game and play it yourself to figure it out."

And this isn't even programming proper, this is just corporate work in tertiary mcjob roles.

It was a p2w mobile base building game.

>>10583956

Hit the nail on the head. I have so many friends that don't work hard and basically are just comfortable living in their parent's basements. And then they go out and blame society for their lack of accomplishment.

I can understand why everybody hates our generation.

>>10583963

You need to kick them out. For their own good. Seriously, they'll just leech off of you until you're dead and then become trailer trash.

You need to force them to be independent asap.

>>10583956

That's not just us millenials. That's generation Z as well. Mostly gen z actually.

>know how to cook basic meals
>its cheaper than buying them in a restaurant

>>10583964
>Work for a game dev
>Get treated like shit
Go get a real job, that field is asscancer

>>10583953
What the are you talking about, getting a certification is what, like 2 weeks tops? And yeah every idiot can flunk high school, it really doesn't prove jack shit. Also the only way to get really good with coding is practice. And by contributing to open source stuff you get
1: free code review
2: your name on something important(street cred basically)
3: knowledge of reading and understanding large code bases(they don't really teach that in college, and it's like the most important shit)

>>10583948
are you saying that you are an unemployed junior or something?

>>10583963
>Jesus, this is my kids. I try to give them the best and they literally try to take all they can from me. But they're my progeny... can't just disown them. lol

And I bet your kids are all snotty and hate you don't they? Classic spoiled rotten kid syndrome.

>>10583962
>University didnt prep you for anything and youll realize that within a year of your first real job in the field.
well actually I joined the navy

programmers still need to be gassed and fucking bombed, as a field itself it's not bad but the people in it are the most vile vitrolic pieces of garbage i've ever encountered, vidya or webdev or otherwise

>>10583965
>And then they go out and blame society for their lack of accomplishment.
can you really blame them?
>school is a trap to saddle you with debt but getting a job **REQUIRES** an advanced degree (but isn't enough to get a job)
>entrepreneurialship is impossible and requires too much capital and has an abysmal success rate
>even employers the same age as them are complete cancer and refuse to hire anyone that doesn't have 50+ years experience and at least a PhD

>>10583975
i'm saying that YOU are unemployed and not in any kind of hiring position if you honestly say you would rather hire a young person fresh out of school, or you're at least just fucking lying like the rest of them

>>10583963

Don't you just love supporting your kids and then having them turn around and spew hatred towards the Boomer generation? Word of advice: you need to cut them off and kick them out. They'll eventually thank you when they mature.

>>10583978
>Vidya
>Webdev
Man you need to get transferred to a research site. Doing R&D for this great nation has been the best work I ever had. Its all database and backend and agents here, no faggy game devs

i dont know who is rusing who here

>>10583978
>this brainlet getting this mad over people smarter than him realizing they're smarter than him

>>10583963

I blame you shitty Boomer parents for creating an entire generation of lame, spoiled, lazy white children. YOU are the problem. You spoiled those fucking kids, now you deal with them.

>>10578613
>cheaper

Sorry, but paying $10 for a bowl of spaghetti with canned tomato sauce isn't cheaper than something I can make at home.

>>10583975
>contributing to open source stuff
hmmmm seems like a good idea
>ask to contribute to things you like on GitHub
>"no thank you we can't trust that your commits will be appropriate but please consider donating :) "
>fug
>go to a ton of for-profit schools, get all the certifications you can
>they immediately become out of date as the current meme frameworks are replaced with other meme frameworks
>find new project
>"ok can i contribute to your project i have all these certifications"
>they finally let you, but only in minor areas like font selection and UI colors
>well at least it's some kind of experience and your name is on it so on the CV it goes
>get to job interview at the age of 48
>first time you've gotten this far because you finally have ~experience~
>"Well*snicker* all this open source... stuff... looks okay, but what about your actual work experience at a REAL company?"
>have none to speak of
>dragged out by security
>hope they beat you badly enough that you can get on disability to someday pay the company you interviewed at back for their time
i can dig it, this seems like a viable plan

>>10583984
m8 im getting transferred to a fucking base before long, room and board and all I have to do is relay messages. fuck programmers and fuck programming. when my contract is up I'm going to use my profits to buy explosives and firearms and attack software design houses and indie conferences

>>10583978
Oh is see. Fuck you then. I'm in charge of my company's social media analytics division(t. big data dev) and I need juniors(at least 2) to write sql for ad-hoc reports and make dashboards with powerbi. I'd rather train a junior myself if they are smart and motivated then have a snotty fresh grad who thinks that they are so fucking smart and they know everything already. When in reality they don't know jack shit(at least not what you need to know for basic day-to day production stuff).

>>10584021
>with powerbi
havent heard of this one before but im not into analytics. how many years ago did it come out, and how many more years of experience do you demand of anyone who applies for a job?

>>10584015
>contract is up I'm going to use my profits to buy explosives and firearms and attack software design houses and indie conferences
Well I wont be anywhere near it all my shit is coms mobile and [Redacted Redacted oh shit nigger what are you doing Redacted Redacted]. Youre doing gods work

>>10584021
sounds like you're demanding senior programmers to do the job of data entry clerks and are mad that you can't get some 20 year old with the brain of a 55 year old tech wizard but the obedience of a 12 year old cabin boy who manages to have 25 years of experience in your specific company's choice of tools instead of just having a manual for it on hand somewhere

>>10583912
>Unpaid chores pham
Fucking Jews
>"Oh goyim you've got to work for free to get paid to work, but first tell me why you want to work for my business"

>>10584028
it's a new flashy microsoft thing, it's basically excel but with advanced data visualisation tools and a fast(er) data manipulating engine. Still a piece of shit but you can make impressive looking reports/dashboards with it a lot faster than tableau/redash/something like that.

>>10584021
>the average hr nigger

>>10584035
>but first tell me why you want to work for my business
every time i've gotten asked this question I've answered "I have rent to pay"

even at one, which was telephone sales, I even said "It's a job you're offering, and I fully intend on leaving as soon as something better comes up". I actually got that job and did indeed leave a week later when a buddy said he got a pile of grants to start an indie game studio

what a fukken mistake that was

>>10584038
>it's basically excel but with advanced data visualisation tools and a fast(er) data manipulating engine.
so it's Excel 2017 and instead of using normal software that normal people can expect to have used, you're getting pissy that all these fresh-out-of-school programmers aren't up to date on your specific choice of microsoft widget.

You may as well have said you require x years experience in OpenOffice. Shit, I've seen TONS of classifieds that actually have

>>10584039
>>the average hr nigger

"Affirmative Action" quota hire. Get used to it.

>>10584021
>I'm in charge of my company's social media analytics division
so you're not a programmer or anything, you're the head of a bunch of data entry monkeys and phone surveyors and professional tweeters

how much are the invoices for when you interview people? 300$? 500$ maybe a grand? how many years experience with WordPress do you need, about 20?

>>10584021
>sql
>powerbi
>programming
Sorry, I only program HTML and Powerpoint.

>>10583963
>I try to give them the best
do you do anything besides give them money? do you have a relationship with your kids? i can tell my dad hurts when all my siblings do is ask him for money, but when he and my mom were going through a divorce his big fatherly advice was "i cant provide you with emotional support but ill always provide you with financial support". he reduced himself to a walking wallet with no personal relationships with his kids, yet hes sad how they treat him. I feel guilty taking money from him when he offers it but thats really all he does as a father. I try my best to include him in events and maintain contact with him, but I dont feel any big family bond. hes like a neighbor that ive had my entire life and am friendly with. any deeper emotion feels more like an obligation than a true connection. I dont know if thats what your relationship is like with your kids, but I always feel sad reading posts like yours because im on the other side of the story

>>10583624
what uni is the best pipeline? Im curious desu.

>>10583624
>Go to university!
>>10583962
>University is a scam!

so which is it you hook nosed nigger

>>10584033
>>10584039
Listen fuckheads, no need to be this fucking triggered, all I'm saying that hands-on experience beats formal education, at least in my opinion.
>>10584046
No, knowing a specific tool it's not a requirement, that's what I'm saying you gay person. I'm not looking for drones, I'm looking for people who are willing to learn our in-house tools.
>>10584039
I'm not fucking hr, I'm a fucking programer. I need to hire people. I don't like hiring people. You are ruining my day :'(
>>10584053
I'm a big data dev, my job is to build data pipelines and manage our data warehousing clusters, mainly for facebook data to get timeseries-like data for backtesting ML models, and figuring out the current weights of the fb algo.

>>10584015
>no thank you we can't trust that your commits will be appropriate but please consider donating
I've literally didn't encounter anything like. Sure, I didn't make that many patches, but it always went down one of two ways:
>go to IRC/Jabber/Slack/whatever
>"Hey guys can I do X"
>"Yeah sure"
>make PR with patch
>they review
>LGTM
>push
Or:
>go to IRC/Jabber/Slack/whatever
>"Hey guys I did X, can I make a PR?"
>"Yeah sure, we'll take a look"
>make PR with patch
>they review
>LGTM
>push

Granted, that wasn't any high-profile stuff like Oracle or Apache's open-source projects, but from what I've heard they just require more red tape. Hell, if you're committing to Linux, the only thing you need to do is send an e-mail with patch to the correct maintainer.

>>10584076
>I'm a big data dev,
you're a grocery store clerk who counts receipts

>>10584041
I pulled that a couple times and got asked to leave, like why the fuck would I care about your soulless Jewish conglomerates well being like it's a puppy?
>How dare you not metaphorically fellate me and my company
Sucking actual cock would be less demeaning than pretending you want to work for Tesco's or Wallmart because you just love their selection of products and atmosphere that much
Worse still is when they ask why you want to join their "family"

>>10584066
Both options are rigged Anon, you should know by now Jews play both sides

>>10584078
>if you're committing to Linux, the only thing you need to do is send an e-mail with patch to the correct maintainer.
which will promptly be marked as spam. you basically need to work directly for Mozilla or Canonica, or some other big name for git "experience" to count anyway

>>10583934
>What field are you looking at that internships arent actually worth anything?

Warning: blogging ahead but you asked:

For me at first it was just graphic design, but I couldn't get a job in that so then I decided to learn how to build websites and a bit of programming, so now it's graphic design and front end web development. I've had a couple of freelance jobs but it's stressful, not enough to pay the bills, and I'm not good at negotiating payment, so I really just want to work for a company and get paid a set amount with benefits.

As for my brother, his major was in bioengineering.

>>10584097
Guess I was just much luckier than you were.

This is why I hate computer nerds. They get the weirdest egos and try to jerk themselves off any chance they get

this threads making me scared lads. I always thought comp sci was an easy job major and the field was free money/50k starting. My major is much less employable (physics/math) and im already shitting bricks about not getting into academia or some government job and having to work for shekel corp. If I cant even find a cubicle job do i have to join the army or something?

>>10584107
>He said while posting on an image board made by anime loving computer nerds, for computer nerds on a device made by computer nerds
You're just feeling intellectually threatened as you understand nothing of which is currently being discussed

>>10584115
theres no such thing as an easy job major anymore

>>10584116
4chan is a direct ripoff of Wakaba, and was made by an inept anime nerd, for creepy anime nerds.

>>10583970
Gen Z is barely old enough to drink lol of course they fucking live with their parents

>>10584122
this
even when you're LITERALLY FOURTEEN YEARS OF AGE, expect to be asked about your prior sales and public affairs experience when you're asking about a job selling ice cream out of a cart, let alone trying to survive a job interview for any sort of skilled labor without getting an invoice for it at the end like >>10584015

>>10584131
And?

>>10584116
Oh I know absolutely nothing about any of this shit. You people just arent special enough to spew the amount of shit you always do. Science geeks do the same thing and have the hardest time admitting their wrong about anything. It's probably the worst quality you can have while applying yourself to such a beneficial part of modern life.

>>10583976
>haha your kids are snotty bratty brat brats because they won't eat hormone-pumped, GMO, ground-up and bleached sponge "chicken patties" and box pasta with yellow, not-sure-if-cheese powder like my children
Neck yourself

>>10584154
>You people just arent special
>Same people are responsible for all technology of the last 3 decades
Sounding a little desperate there, you are inherently of less worth than anyone in this thread
Yes even the boomer cunts, tell us exactly what do you do?

>>10584015
>billed for a job interview
DO AMERICANS REALLY

>>10584169
>all technology of the last 3 decades
i have never met a programmer or other CS nerd who could even faintly understand electrical engineering at all, let alone **ACTUAL** computer science

i don't think most programmers even know the physical reasons of why binary is a thing in the first place

>>10584137
4chan is not for loli and furry not linux and f.lux ok

>>10584076
Answer the question. How much do you bill people when you interview them and they're not good enough for you?

>>10583673
"solution" presupposes arbitrary-precision integers, lolz.

>>10584173
I don't think you've ever met a programmer nor engineer and if you had you would be unable to identify them, as you type like a normalfag roastie with a double digit IQ

>>10584174
That's not a loli

>>10584171
It sucks man, the job hunt gets brutal when they start piling up, Im still paying off the loans from when I was laid off 2 years ago. Is that something covered by your socialist heathenry or what?

>>10584031
>oh shit nigger what are you doing
programmers need to be exposed to CS agents and then destroyed with high pressure waves

>>10584180
>That's not a loli
right, that is a succubus(male)

>>10584169
>same people
No not really. 98% of you are just bodies like the rest of us. Working our way through life, never actually achieving greatness but convincing ourselves we did our part.

programmers are the most self-righteous and unwarrantedly self-important people I have ever met, and 90% of them can't even do basic arithmetic or trig and have no idea about basic concepts common to most programming languages

>>10584184
Did you know in mythology all succubi are actually male incubi and only take on the appearance of the victims sexual taste?

>>10584186
>Dodging the question
You've never produced anything of value, you can keep telling yourself that everyone does very little but you've still done nothing, even a NEET's meme makes them an inherently more valuable person than you as they're contributed to culture

>>10584196
>Did you know in mythology all succubi are actually male incubi and only take on the appearance of the victims sexual taste?
no, actually, but that sounds like bullshit since it runs counter to every other sort of charming in all other mythology

>>10584196
Dodging the question of what I do? I'm a welder and metal fabricator at a company that makes industrial ovens and solar panel tech.

once I was hanging out with my bro who is an actual programmer, and wants to get into game dev instead of what he was doing before (accounting software iirc) and he was faffing about with gamemaker while I watched. I asked him if floor, ceil, or clamp functions exist in GameMaker and it was a whole big thing he was offended over me confusing floor and ceiling for how they're used everywhere else (as the real top and bottom values of something, as opposed to just rounding in programming) and that can't be used to find bounds of functions, and I was told that clamping literally is not even a real concept at all ever and no such function could ever exist

programmers are shit people

>>10583892
>t.mutt

another time, online somewhere, someone asked how they could convert a number that's between 0 and 1 into one that's between 0 and 255 in Unity. I responded that they just need to multiply the first number by 255 and all the "programmers" around dogpiled me saying it's wrong and bad and the absolute worst possible solution and wouldn't even work assuming it even compiled

programmers are human refuse

>>10584236
But that's actually incorrect though. Do you even know math?

>>10581396
>I weep for the future
The every old generation past us feels the same about their corresponding newer generation, sit down, it's gonna be alright.

>>10584236
>>10584225
post your code

>>10584236
You don't need to do anything to convert a number between 0 and 1 to make it into a number between 0 and 255. I suppose it was a question about typing and constraints, in which case your solution is definitely wrong.

>>10584236
>I responded that they just need to multiply the first number by 255

>>10584228
purebreed and you still end up on 4chins. you should kys to end the shame of your people.

>>10584251
This argument doesn't work anymore, and isn't valid anymore. Things used to not really change in the world. Pants would look slightly different, books would have shinier covers, food would change.

It's not like that anymore. We're entering an era of leaps and bounds of gigantic, transformative changes. The existence of the internet alone changed humanity more in 20 years than humanity had changed in 500 years prior to that

>>10584258
the context was incredibly clear that they had a float or int that they just needed to map to a wider range for some reason

>>10584270
>The existence of the internet alone changed humanity more in 20 years than humanity had changed in 500 years prior to that
yes anon and warfare was all honorable guys in loud colored outfits before some guy invented the machine gun, and the fundamental nature of transit changed forever when Gerald Ford invented the automobile in 1901

>>10584272
Yes, and the "solution" is bad.

>>10584272
>>10584236
You are actually retarded. Seek assistance.

>>10584236
that's not how math works at all

>>10584236
>>10584225

>>10584236
Where is your Git?

>/ck/ - Food and Cooking

>>10584236
With any real numbers, X*Y, where Y is between 0 and 1, will not fall between 0 and X.

>>10584306
Ah, good ol' Brainlet's lemma

>>10584225
>>10584236

>>10584236
Maybe you'd know what the matter with what you're saying is if you had enough years of coding experience. It's 10 years too soon for you to act like you know even a single thing...

so-called "programmers" need to be gassed and bombed.

>>10584236
You're the human refuse here, you can't even do the most basic shit you'd find in a job interview hahhahahhahaahahahaha

>>10584225
>>10584236
Why haven't you posted your git yet?

>>10584236
That solution is extremely unstable near 1. It oscillates as fuck. Let x be your value. If x == 1.0, then y = 255. If x == 0.9999999, then y = 254, which, almost certainly, is not something you want. You need something more robust for that.

>>10584357
>It oscillates as fuck.
This. For all values below 0.1 it will return either +infinity or -infinity.

>>10584357
>no mention of the value type
>assumes it's from float to int
>not from float to float
bad programmer

>>10584236
>>10584383
Kill yourself you fucking retarded nigger. Do you even know how to program at all?

>>10584383
I stand corrected. You're right. But I do think that if someone asked that question, it would be float to int, so I assumed it.

>>10584225
>floor, ceil, or clamp
Literally what?

>>10584393
just in terms of natural language, there's no reason to assume the type of value is changing when the only information about the value type you have is "a number" and it's never brought up again but hey dont let that stop 666 different people from shitting on "if you want to make a range bigger, multiply it by something"

>>10584401
We're shitting on it because it's wrong, you retard.

wtf is a clamp

>>10584423
What's a frame? It's bullshit that non-programmers parrot to make themselves feel like they contribute to society, lol.

>>10584427
Do you have a personal vendetta against people in this thread? Why do you shit it up with your samefagness?

>>10578616
>cooking something at home is a bad thing
Only in murrika

>>10584236
>they just need to multiply the first number by 255
You can't really believe this, can you?
Are americans really so bad at programming?

>>10584458
>>10584459
OBSESSED
youre just mad that your shithole country has never made a software

>>10584236
holy fuck lmao

>>10583588
And yet he knows as much about cooking as the average american. Nothing.

>>10584272
>int
You obviously don't remember the actual question if you aren't sure if it was a float or an int - There are only two ints (inclusively) between 0 and 1...0 and 1, which makes the question completely different.

>>10584958
>>10584958
>You obviously don't remember the actual question
the actual question was literally "how do i convert a number between 0 and 1 to make it into a number between 0 and 255 in Unity" with no other context

with how stupid the question itself is, and that it was from some Unitybabby, anything is possible they could have been working with something that either throws 0 or 1 as an int but need it to throw 0 or 255 because whatever jumble of assets they bought won't play nice unless that becomes the case

>>10584978
Well in that case "multiply by 255" is the correct answer and I'm surprised anyone would try to call you out for that. If he had more specific requirements, like "I want 256 equal sized ranges between floats 0 and 1 to map to the 256 integers between 0 and 255 (inclusive)", you'd be wrong, but "multiply by 255" isn't unreasonable given the wording you describe.

>>10584978
You sound a little dumb. Are you well? Are you ok?

>>10584236
whats actually wrong with this

>>10585504
It depends on what you actually need.

If you take a float inclusive between 0 and 1, multiply by 255, and convert to an integer type (which almost always happens by truncation), then the only input value that will produce 255 is 1. 0.9999 will become 254, because when you multiply by 255 it becomes 254.xxxxx, which when truncated equals 254. Sometimes this is the behavior you want, sometimes it isn't. If the range is [0, 1), ie containing 0 but not 1, then you'll never see 255 at all, which is almost definitely not what you want. (This isn't strictly a correct due to the details of floating point numbers, but it still explains why "multiply by 255" may not be correct)

If you're doing a float-to-float conversion then multiplying by 255 is the correct answer. Same for rational number, and fixed point numbers, etc.