/ck/ - Food & Cooking

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>>10492367

>>10492367
>unironically wasting money on culinary school

>>10492377
how else do you become a chef

>>10492391
by literally just calling yourself one, it doesnt actually mean anything

>>10492406
so if i call myself gordon ramsey ill make a lot of money

>that guy who still posts wojak

>>10492367
>age shaming
>on the board with the oldest average demographic

>>10492421
i‘m literally 18 years old since the last two weeks, how does that make you feel, oldfart?

>>10492429
i dont feel anything, and soon it'll happen to you boy

>>10492413
Gordon Ramsay is a celebrity tv star and business owner, who owns several successful high end hotlels and restaurants he doesn't cook in, being a chef doesn't make him rich

>>10492429
>i‘m literally 18 years old since the last two weeks
Christ, judging by this sentence I'd say that the education system really is getting worse.

>>10492468
>cope

>when you close /fit/ and open /ck/ but you're still on /fit/
wew lad

>>10492391
Restaurant experience

You don't need debt and a piece of paper to become a chef

>>10492535
You can't escape old man, your knees are too frail

>>10492541
i-is this true? if I slave away hard enough in this shithole will I eventually be able to run the place and finally make it better?

line chef rn

>>10492612
for smaller places, yeah. dont expect to work at some michelin star place in new york with no degree but it's more than enough for a mom n pop or chain restaurant to only have experience

moving up is a meme though, you have to quit and join a new place at a higher position. once youre good at something, places are reluctant to promote you, since promoting you would mean losing your good skills at that low level and putting you into a position where you have been untested and might not be so good. business owners see promoting people as a risk, because business owners are lizard people who don't understand human drives

>>10492625
fuck. so i'll have to go job hunting in 2-5 years to make sous or even head?

>>10492496
Our education is fine, it just isn't catered as well to tards.
t. barely legal

>>10492784
No, our education is catered TOO MUCH to tards.
Do you know what "No Child Left Behind" is?

>>10492831
He is a product of no child left behind
He is too stupid to insult

>>10492831
A program to defund already failing schools

>>10492377
>>10492406
>>10492541

Found the highschool dropouts that ended up getting shitty jobs cooking in dirty pubs to make rent and were too lazy and unmotivated to ever become anything else. Too lazy and cheap to even go to culinary school.

Now you call yourselves a chef because you can't call yourself what you really are, it's too pathetic and embarrassing for a 40 year old man to be called a Line Cook.

>>10492612
No, you're a line COOK. You will never be a chef unless you go to school and get your red seal.

working on cars doesn't make you a mechanic, no matter how good you are at it. If you aren't cetified, you aren't shit.

>>10492890
so will I eventually be able to make KM or even GM if I pay my dues?

>>10492899
My bad. I'm unrationally angry today and bitter about my time in kitchens. Yes you can work your way up and become KM or GM fairly easily without going to culinary school.

The other anon was right, it is pretty pointless to do unless your goal is to work in really nice kitchens.

My wife worked her way up from dishwasher at red robin to general manager and makes 80k/year + bonuses and she ran the kitchen for awhile too.

>>10492882
no kiddo, im a web developer. you know, something that actually takes skill to do that a monkey couldnt be trained to do in a week

>>10493077
should we tell him bros?

>>10493077
How are you a web developer if you can't into punctuation? Isn't that shit important for code and whatnot?

>>10492890
>working on cars doesn't make you a mechanic
but it literally does

me·chan·ic
məˈkanik/Submit
noun
1.
a person who repairs and maintains machinery.
"a car mechanic"
synonyms: technician, engineer, repairman, serviceman; informalgrease monkey
"ask the mechanic for an estimate on the repairs"

>>10493083
>syntax in programming is the same as in english

you are very dumb

>>10492421
>the board with the oldest average demographic
I highly doubt this
either way, regardless of age the behavior is the same if not worse
I think /trv/ and maybe /p/ are older on average

>>10492367
hey man dont judge,its admirable that someone is trying to learn to cook instead of continuing to live off canned food and junk food

>>10493089
Of course it's the same. One is correct. The other is not. It's no different between the two.

>>10493165
you shouldnt be just learning how to cook if you are 30 and just starting culinary school

>>10493081
Keked hard

>>10493086
Don't argue semantics. You know exactly what I'm saying.

>>10492890
>If you aren't cetified, you aren't shit.
Who told you that? The person selling certifications, or someone who blew all their money getting certified?

>>10493268
dude thats the literal definition of the word, just admit you were wrong and dont know what you are talking about. godi hate it when stupid people get defensive about how stupid they are

>>10493395
does working on a car means you know every detail and engineering that goes on the construction of an automobile? wind resistance? drag? downforce? does it mean you can calculate the fuel efficiency of the vehicle's design and all the fluid dynamics that affect it? does it mean you can create a new iteration of a vehicle?
he might have used the wrong word, but don't sit there looking smug when you're completely ignoring the point being discussed.
tldr; stop baiting or bait smarter, dumbass

>>10493426
me·chan·ic
məˈkanik/Submit
noun
1.
a person who repairs and maintains machinery.
"a car mechanic"
synonyms: technician, engineer, repairman, serviceman; informalgrease monkey
"ask the mechanic for an estimate on the repairs"

>im going to ignore the definition of the word because im too ass blasted to admit im wrong
k

>>10493426
Are you suggesting that an ASE certified mechanic knows now to calculate downforce and design cars? Fuck no. A certified mechanic simply took standardized courses on auto repair.

More to the point at hand:
A chef is a job title. It derives from the French military rank of "Cheif". The Chef is the guy in charge of running the kitchen. It's a supervisory role. The person who holds that position may or may not have graduated from a cooking school. Most commonly they have not.

Likewise, a person who has graduated cooking school has a certificate to their name but may or may not be employed as a chef. In fact, most recent graduates from cooking school work as line cooks or other lower ranking kitchen jobs. Some of them might, after getting enough experience, get hired as a chef.

Do you get it now, cockholster?

>>10492391
>I didn't go to culinary school, I go to restaurants

>>10492632
being sous requires you to have have motivating leadership qualities also demands a lot of responsibility of everything that goes in and out the kitchen all shift. Being a sous/head chef also involves a lot of recording of temperatures and paperwork ordering, so when the owner/gm is pissed off because the trainee is fucking up it's the responsibility of the trainer when the trainee fucks up.

>>10493880
motivation I don't lack. and a lot of these tasks sound like what the km has me doing whilst prep and stocks. is there a difference between km and sous?

>>10492530
great argument

>>10493426
>does working on a car means you know every detail and engineering that goes on the construction of an automobile? wind resistance? drag? downforce? does it mean you can calculate the fuel efficiency of the vehicle's design and all the fluid dynamics that affect it? does it mean you can create a new iteration of a vehicle?
no but mechanics dont do those things so it doesnt matter

>>10492418
The irony is palpable

>>10493128
/p/ is full of gearfags and memers, it is in no way an old demographic

>>10493426
neck already will you

>that guy who makes fun of other culinary students while wasting money to learn how to get paid slightly over min wage at a job other people sich as me just started working without formal training

>>10492625
Disregard all of this

You do not need to have a fucking culinary school background to cook anywhere in the fucking world.
Fucking retard. A line cook at a michelin star famous place is just as likely to have started as a prep boy or dish hog

Idiotic posts in here

>that guy who didn't take a STEM major

My class had was small, had 3 or 4 people 35 or over, whose careers had fallen apart and were trying something new. I guarantee I'm the only one still in the industry.

>>10492882
This is moronic and a little embarassing how you are justifying your tuition. The real world is a bit different, if you are driven and talented you just learn on the job and keep going, no culinary school guarantees you a place at top spots if you arent good

>tfw you remember food you forgot you had

>>10493185
Says who? You? Your fucked up neurotic expectations?

>>10493275
I agree. But have fun paying for (((culinary school))) and (((certifications))). Cooking is punk rock and you fuckin normies and youe MUH SCHOOLING

Go to any fine dining kitchen and you will find talented people who didnt go to school. This thread is full of fuckin naive, arrogant children.

>>10492530
Kys smug faggot

I fight you next time i see u irl thinkin u hot shit

I feel bad for young people that pay 30K+ for school to work in a kitchen making 11-14$ an hour. Most will never become chefs. Why go to school to be a cook and then realize you fucked up and it’s a shit profession with shit pay. Unless you’re a chef at a world class spot you’re still a broke motherfucker. The food industry is not a smart decision unless you’re connected

>>10496361

Forgot to add that being connected applies to most professions

Speaking as someone who went to culinary school, 9 times out of 10, it's a waste of time. I went because I wanted to specialize in baking, I already had kitchen experience but I wanted to broaden my skill set. It was worth it because technically it helped land me a job where I actually learned a shit load about baking.

It was also good for building a universal vocabulary, and for letting me do and see some things that I wouldn't have gotten to see otherwise.

But most of the classes were a massive waste of time, we spent weeks on projects that we were never going to see in the real world, and most of the people who were there expected that they were going to leave school and open a bakery somewhere.

On top of that, the admissions people are fucking predators who do very little to disillusion you of this.

We've had to fire four bakers in the 2 and a half years I've been at my job because they thought they were hot shit from their school experience. Every single one of them refused to take criticism, and months in were still making basic mistakes.

You're much better off begging a dishwashing gig and working your way up than going to school. If you do go, have realistic goals, and pick a good program. (Don't go to Le Cordon Bleu, unless it's the original in paris. The American franchise bullshit is terribad.)

>>10496418
>Le Cordon Bleu
isnt this just literally the food equivalent of DeVry or Full Sail

>>10496441
I think it depends on the place. Before it was lcb in portland, it was the western culinary institute, which was apparently decent. We still had some okay chefs, but yeah, I think for the most part it is basically that.

>>10496441

Not that guy but yeah pretty much. I’d like to add that culinary grads are almost always smug shits that can’t cook worth a fuck. My sous can barely handle simple recipes yet thinks he’s hot shit. His knife skills are sharp but that’s about it.

>>10496479
To a person they never seem to understand that, in the professional environment, time management and fucking hustle are the important things. The fact the you could make a single serving beef bourginon or souffle in your entire two and half hours of lab doesn't mean shit during production.

Our best baker right now is a dude who, until six months ago, was a part time mason and coffee roaster. Never put hand to dough in his life. He is quick, has attention to detail, pays attention, and follows instruction. 99 times out of 100, I'd rather have someone with those traits to grain from the ground up than a CIA grad with his head firmly in his rectum who has pretensions of being "a pastry chef." My boss and I have over 20 years experience between us and neither of us considers ourselves chefs, we're fucking bakers. Ever Thomas Keller says he's just a cook.

>>10496513

I always tell my chefs that, you’re a damn cook you just have your name on your coat fuck outta here

>>10496513
>CIA grad

>>10492391
>wash dishes fast
>'hey i did all the dishes can i help with any kitchen stuff'
>do prep work every once in a while
>become prep cook in 3 months or whatever wa la

>>10496538
>>'hey i did all the dishes can i help with any kitchen stuff'
no, we need you to wash dishes. fuck off. btw you don't get tipped out abymore as of May, we'll be taking your tips instead but now you get minimum wage, flat :)

>>10493083
most web markup languages are actually spacing agnostic, or whatever the buzzphrase is. basically, spaces and letter case are meaningless and don't get interpreted at all

>70 replies

>>10496574

Most pot sink dudes prep when it’s slow. A lot become cooks, it’s not some made up shit

>>10493077
lol at a web dev thinking they're a skilled programmer. Bet you think js is awesome too

>>10496638
i helped on the grill and with prep at the place i worked at and they never let me become a cook or move to bussing. it's a fucking meme

>>10492882
culinary school is literally just learning under an experience chef and studying the basics from a book you can buy online. except in culinary school you are paying out the ass for a tradeschool degree while having dedicated attention cucked out by the rest of the class you are sharing a few instructors with, who are usually old burnouts who dont give a fuck by that point.

I'm not doubting there are a lot of shitty linecooks on /ck/ who never had any ambition, but there is nothing stopping an ambitious guy to start on dishes and work his ass off up to a Michelin level kitchen from the bottom, especially if he is studying the same damn materials on his own time.

On the contrary the last 2 cooks I interviewed that graduated Cordon Blue were 30-60 minutes late to show, 60 minutes late finishing the 2 servings they had a week to prep and plan, and used shitty quality ingrediants for a result that tasted worse than my mother's average home cooking.

>>10497686
lmao you must have been really shit at it then. I made prep in 3 weeks, line in 1 month

>That guy who claimed to love cooking as a profression but worked in fast food for almost 20 years

>>10497717
all the best cooks ive none hate cooking, or begrudgingly like it due to how stressful and hard work it is to do properly. I remember the same time I got really good at making Japanese home cooking was the same day I stopped cooking Japanese food altogether.

>>10497717
>implying running a local burger joint with passion and making damn good fast food isn't an art in itself

>>10497723
4 years working BOH, never hated cooking in general. does it get that bad?
it's stressful, sure, on a busy day, but i never felt any hatred towards cooking. just the occasional food throwing when FOH fucks up.

>>10492367
>sacré bleu
>37-year old giantess in MY cooking class
>le stupid Americans...

>>10496794
doesnt have to be, i make more in 3 months than any of these "chefs" make in 2 years

>>10498019
As a web dev you also make 30-50% less than real developers, since you do front end work and nobody doing back end work would debase themselves by calling themselves a web dev unless they were making the same shitty pay because they only know javascript.

>>10498065
still making more than any "chef" in this thread, now get back to making my steak medium rare cuck

My dad went back to university at 35 when my whore mom divorced him and started making 6 figures as an electrical engineer in his 40s. Most of the young kids in university are retards with no drive.

>>10498069
>He thinks a chef has indepth knowledge of the intricacies of the developer market, their salaries, and what technology
>Too stupid to realize that other people might call him out for being a huge dick

You're definitley on the low end of the web dev pay scale and I definitely make more money than you.

>>10498093
t. retard with no drive

>>10492421
>w-were all 40 yr old alcoholics here right?

>>10498094
we all know you are a NEET anon, why are you lying on the internet?

>>10498178
Post your salary

>>10496578
What do spacing and letter case have to do with punctuation?

>>10498213
93k a year, senior front end software engineer is my actual title. get back to the dish pit boy

>>10498213
>resorting to ad homonim instead of giving a counter-argument

>>10498274
Entry level Android dev - 95k + up to 10% salary bonus. You lose JS dev

>>10498274
>>10498306
Pfft nice meme degrees I make 300k starting right out of college

>>10498306
why are you lying?

>>10498372
he said $95k, not $295k. trying to call someone out for lying over $15k difference than your random google search is hilarious. dude is either good or lives where people are paid more.

>>10498379
>entry is 95k
>a quick google search shows the average is less than 80k

he obviously doesnt have any idea what he is talking about. he probably a first year programming student at a shitty community college trying to act like he knows anything

>>10498388
maybe he works for google doing kernel shit, who knows. i diddle in Excel all day, guess how much i make

>>10492457
Underrated as fuck

>>10498306
>>10498274
how in the fuck do entry anything make 100K a year? I'm going to be a self-taught dev fuck this shit

>>10496297
I regret it everyday

>>10498093
nice

>>10498388
>>10498372
Do you live in the sticks? Do you not know that salaries are higher in cities, especially tech hubs

I just went to the local community college while cooking and got a culinary degree. Cost me around six grand. It was worth it. Good on resumes and I can transfer some of that to a four year if I want. The cooking schools were like fifteen grand a year I think back than.

>>10493077
>no kiddo, im a web developer. you know, something that actually takes skill to do that a monkey couldnt be trained to do in a week
Have you defecated on any streets today?

I went to the culinary program at a local community college where said program is pretty well respected by the chefs hiring cooks in this city.

it has made getting hired for jobs at decent restaurants fairly easy, and all the cooks I work with do have culinary school of some sort.

that said, it's true that this is a hard and stressful job for the money, you basically have to be appalled at the idea of doing anything other than making food for a job. I have tried many other jobs and they were all horrific in other ways that I couldn't get used to like I seem to have gotten used to the brutality of working on the line.

sitting in front of a computer all day is total bullshit no matter how much money you take home. but it sure takes a lot of years to make decent money in the kitchen

>>10496324
punk rock is inherently against western values

>>10500800
What the fuck are you on
It's against the establishment, not western values

>>10493077
Web dev pays money but it cetainly doesn't take much skill.

>>10500807
so you don't know shit about the actual philosophy of punk music

>>10500823
>t. never listened to punk music except for that one The Clash song

>>10500833
I don't think you are in any position to be calling anyone else's music knowledge in to question.

>>10500842
Nice argument m8, definitely showed me

>>10500859
I don't know how you think that's an argument

>>10500876
Exactly it's not, fuck off and go research music for a bit

>>10492406
Youre an idiot.
Yes...nearly anyone can learn to cook without going to school...and for the first 5 to 10 years educated and uneducated cooks will progress at roughly the same rate. There will however come a point when the uneducated cook will be passed over. There will be a point when the slightly younger but educated line cook is interviewed for the executive chef position before the more seasoned but uneducated sous chef. There will be a point where a cook is too well-seasoned and just tastes salty. There will be a point where the uneducated sous chef is just the old line cook while the educated line cook is being featured in a local nightlife magazine. Education matters. Educated people become managers and owners. Those managers and owners promote like-minded and educated people. This is not hard to understand unless you are uneducated.

>>10492882

this guy makes 15 dollars an hour, for 60 hours a week of miserable, filthy, demeaning, demanding labor.

meanwhile i work about 30 hours a week at 34.25 dollars per flag hour doing alignments on semi's, at a leisurely but professional pace.

>>10500921
educated people generally don't work in food service other than management

>>10499875
Anyone can learn to code hello world and figure out an if else statement. Its fucking hard to actually make something even approaching useful

>>10492541
Unless you're happy with just flipping burgers at Wendy's, then yes you do.

Lmao why do /fit/ memes always leak into other boards

>>10500890
lmao

>>10492367
What?
Fuck you

>>10492882
I'm late to this thread but my high school buddy fancied himself a "self taught" chef. He couldn't get hired anywhere, and I mean literally anywhere. Not even at a place like red lobster or tgi Fridays. He decided to go to one of the better culinary institutes and put himself over 100k in debt. Wanna guess where he works now? At a fucking Outback steakhouse as a line cook. A degree means very little without the skill or talent to back it up.

I AM THE MOST SUCCESSFUL LOSER: THE THREAD

>>10500814
>certainly doesn't take much skill

neither does cooking

>>10493000
Your wife fucked her way up, idiot