/ck/ - Food & Cooking

if you cheat you lose all your status

>>10421718
vegans have a year when they become adults where they leave the vegan village and go eat tons of meat and then come back and don't do it anymore

>>10421718
Try lamb chops if you're gonna cheat

>>10421718
A vegan is just someone who calls themselves a vegan (usually very publicly and often)
You are not legally required to follow any rules to call yourself such

No, no cheat days


The whole concept is you dont eat meat and dairy and that you dont want to eat meat and dairy not that you dont eat meat and dairy but that you secretly want to eat meat and dairy. Youre a poser bro!

>>10421730
Based lambchopfag

>>10421736
>>10421734
Loving this bait. The only winning option for a vegan is not to bite

A vagan that cheats regularly is just a normal guy who eats less meat.
No special snowflake status.

>>10421736
The question is what is better, being a poser, or a picky eater who refuses good food?

>>10421736
Technically we would be vegans 6 days a week I think.

Its like being a smoker
If you quit for a day, but then relapse into smoking the next you are still a smoker. Just like you are still a vegan if you can't manage to shake the habit despite occasionally trying

>>10421718
We need a vegan-only poll and a vegetarian-only poll to weigh in on this issue and come to a democratic solution.

>>10421767
What if you stopped smoking by vaping? You get more nicotine and it doesn't make you reek.

>>10421783
Thats like going from vegan to vegetarian I guess

>>10421718
Just do what you want. I won't judge.

>>10421813
On behalf of the vegan community, thank you! We will!

>>10421718
I am strictly vegan on my sunday, but I eat bacon on daily basis. Gonna have that vegan sunday because you know, I'm a vegan. I'd be ashamed if I violated my rules and eat meat.
Don't listen to other vehans here, they're just posers.

>>10421718
On behalf of Sakata Seeds North America you mind deleting this image?

Veganism is just a meme. If someone says they are vegan I immediately dismiss them as a retard. Now vegetarians on the other hand, I dont mind them. Heres a little "meme factor comparison"
vegan = oh i only eat gluten free tehe!
vegetarian = eats gluten free because actually has celiacs

>>10422048
>being this triggered by altruism

>>10422048
This analogy makes no sense. Vegetarians are just vegan lites. They aren't as bad, but its only a matter of degree

>>10421718
>cheat day

Why would there even be a cheat day? Aren't you vegan or vegetarian because you don't actually like meat and animal products? I mean that's like eating normal food but on your "cheat day" you eat steaming feces even though you dislike it. Why?

>>10421951
>owning pets and giving your energy and resrouces to them.

You are literally taking food out of your children's mouths and stunting their social and emotional development. If you don't have children, you are a complete failure at life. Animals are for food, nothing else.

My brother is vegan but allows himself meat on special occasions. If animal products are no longer a staple to your diet, you are vegan.

>>10422183
Usually people are vegetarians because modern meat industry is unethical. So obviously theres no cheat days.

>>10422183
There are some vegans that are vegans for health reasons, not moral.

newsflash: you can eat whatever you want whenever you want

>>10422278
>for health reasons
ha ya, because so many doctors and scientists advocate being vegan for good health

Maybe you should say "perceived health reasons"

>>10422262
What do you mean, does it mean I can't have steaks every now and then?
>>10422330
According to some people you cannot.

>>10422189
>Animals are for food, nothing else.
My dog has bigger heart than you, worthless meat eatercucks
Hahaha btfo!!

>>10421718
This was Hitler's diet.

>>10422725
This

>>10421718
I'm a vegan reading this thread is making my fucking blood boil.

I hear more shit from people ragging on vegans than I do from the fucking vegans themselves, Jesus Christ. The only thing more obnoxious than a proselytizing vegan is the proselytizing carnivore that baited them into arguing.

>>10422904
what is your problem? i'm a vegan and the weekend are my cheat days. eggs for breakfast, lamb shank for lunch, surf n turf for dinner.

>>10422922
probably because there are like 75 times as many non vegans as vegans. Relative to how many people they have vegans are much louder

>>10422926
You're not a vegan.

Don't get me wrong, it's not an all or nothing thing, and reducing your meat consumption by any amount is overall good for your health and for the environment, but what your'e doing isn't veganism.

>>10422922
>/fit/ is over there
could you be less of a faggot?

>>10422939
don't assume my identity faggot. i'm vegan because i say i'm vegan.

>>10422934
I have never seen a vegan start an argument or judge someone based on their food choices. Honestly it's the opposite, every vegan I know seems to be painfully aware of the stereotype and struggles to not let it affect their interactions, but inevitably they get shit for it when it comes out.

>>10422950
What

>>10422964
>but inevitably they get shit for it when it comes out
I mean, what do you expect? When people have strong convictions toward weird and nonsensical things people are gonna give them shit for it

I've been vegan all day, but had a supreme pizza at the bar last night

>>10422986
I'm talking beyond standard ribbing, they get verbally attacked and accused of being this holier-than-though missionary even if they haven't said a word about it. It just strikes me as defensive, like how the politicians who are vocally against gay marriage are the ones sucking cock in a bathroom stall. The ones who are that loud and aggressive against it without being provoked are the ones who know they probably should eat less meat but don't have the willpower. That's my theory, anyway.

>>10421718
No, Vegans are insane and will act like your Hitler if you cheat even once.

>>10423012
>and accused of being this holier-than-though
Yeah, thats what you get when you adopt arbitrary rich people morals

>>10421767
So just one strip of bacon can lead you you eating an entire bucket of KFC extra crispy chicken?

>>10423012
yeah one day someone will photograph me eating a salad and veggies in a bathroom stall. probably will kms soon afterward from embarrassment

>>10423023
In what fucking world is it cheaper to buy meat than it is to buy vegetables?

I'm not vegan and I'm not arguing for veganism, but this idea that you have to be rich to go vegetarian at least is absurd.

>>10423042
I'm saying they're aggressively against it because they think they should but don't. Obviously not everyone thinks like this, but those are the people who aren't so thin skinned and thin dicked to think that someone choosing to eat a certain way is a personal attack on them and their lifestyle.

>>10421718
lmao no they don't
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLpCZ8g5uK8

>>10422939
Wtf I'm vegan, eating one egg or honey on chat days is acceptable. I am vegan because I am keeping my diet.

>>10423012
>even if they haven't said a word about it.
Yeah right. Now stop eating meat.

>>10423063
>In what fucking world is it cheaper to buy meat than it is to buy vegetables?
In America/Europe veganism is almost exclusively an upper class white person thing.

Poor people don't have the time or energy to worry about arbitrary dietary restrictions

>>10423063
In America, where meat gets like 3000x higher subsidies than fruits and vegetables

>>10423035
If you're big gulp obese level, shur.

>>10421747
It's not wrong though

>>10422332
A whole foods plant based diet is objectively the healthiest diet. Notice I didn't say vegan because veganism isn't inherently healthy and you can be vegan and very unhealthy. Moral/ethical vegans are usually terrible people and have poor dietary habits. Vegetarianism is also actually less healthy than both a whole foods plant based diet and a varied omnivorous diet.

If you look at the blue zones most eat completely whole food plant based diets and those that do not consume very little meat. The currently healthiest in the world are the 7th day Adventists of Loma Linda, CA.

Atherosclerosis and arteriosclerosis resulting from consumption of animal products in addition to heart attacks and stokes kill more people than anything else. Curiously enough atherosclerosis is only found in herbivores that consume animal products and is completely absent in omnivores and carnivores despite their animal consumption. It is also found in human who consume animal products and a whole foods plant based diet can actually remove arterial buildup.

As for doctors and scientists I would encourage you to look up Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn, Dr. Neil Bernard, and Dr Kim Williams, president of the American College of Cardiology.

Now, I'm not saying that you can't be healthy and eat a varied diet including animal products because you certainly can. However if you are talking about the healthiest diet period then it is objectively a whole foods plant based diet.

I eat meat, I've always eaten meat, and will likely never stop eating meat or consuming animal products. I also work out, eat a lot of fruits, vegetables, and grains and am reasonably healthy. For me, the trade off is worth it for the pleasure I derive from consuming animal products but it is still an avoidable risk and while it is reasonably healthy, especially compared to a lot of diets out there it isn't the healthiest.

>>10423472
Americans definitely eat more meat than is ideal for longevity, but there is little evidence that avoiding meat altogether is a beneficial thing

>>10422739
That may be true, but he was taking orders from entities above him, and plants are not the diet of those entities. Look into it if you're interested.

>>10423513
There is little evidence because that evidence has been strategically discarded. Read The China Study.

>>10423072
There's a significant difference between eating one egg or one bit of honey every now and then vs. eating three full course meat meals two days out of the week.

>>10421718
If you knowingly cheat as a vegan you're not vegan. You're just eating a plant diet.

>>10423023
Youre buying the worlds cheapest foods on a vegan diet. Even with government subsidization of animal agriculture you get more calories per dollar spent on grains and legumes. Fuck dude I make minimum wage abd over half my paycheck goes to rent, power, insurance, etc not even including food and I'm able to afford it and eat fine.

>>10424500
Doesn't change the fact that basically only people that are well off enough that the don't have many real problems to worry about even consider becoming a vegan

>>10424482
False

>>10424381
>i don't eat animal products at all, except now and then
You're not a vegan bro

>>10424860
Not him but why not?

>>10422189
Based

This thread is like watching retarded kids fight on the playground.

>>10425108
Because if you eat eggs, you literally cannot be a vegan. You're a vegetarian at best.

>>10425284
Welcome to 4chan, enjoy your stay

>>10421783
It does make you reek. Vapes smells disgusting and you should euthanise yourself for the common good. Cunt.

>>10421783
Smoking is high test. Vaping turns you gay. Trust me...
>>10425478
You’re a bigger faggot than me, and I fuck guys who dress like girls.

>>10422330
Thanks for this. I used to feel really guilty about my habit of eating toddler's faces but now I feel liberated.

>>10422048
You're fucking stupid. Just call them yuppie faggots and call it a day.

>>10423130
stop this stupid stereotype please.
this is what the gov / media wants you to think about veganism so you can hate it even more.

you dont need fake meats, you dont need tofu, you dont need fucking processed shit.
also oil is expensive af and perfectly avoidable.

PROCESSED VEGANISM IS EXPENSIVE

real veganism is fucking not.
just buy fruit veggies nuts cereals. buy in bulk always.

>>10421718
>Do vegans really get a cheat day?
Some might, depending on their reasons for becoming one. I don't.

>>10425714
>you dont need tofu
what if I want tofu?

>>10422939
Dude I only eat some eggs and cheese on Sunday to keep from getting sick, otherwise I’m a raw vegan. Dehydration and everything.

>>10425293
That's not true. 99% of Vegans grew up eating animal products before they became a vegan. Technically speaking there is literally no difference between that and getting a cheat day

>>10423175
And that's a good thing

>>10426134
Buy it. 500g are 90 cents here, just find a good asian store that sells fresh tofu. If there is none you're shit out of luck I guess, some things just aren't available everywhere.

>>10421718
That's not fair, if vegans get to do it I will too

>>10422183
This better be a porno...

>>10426134
if you have some time best bet is to make it yourself, its fairly easy. otherwise buy plain basic tofu and marinate at home or whatever u want.

>>10426134
btw checkout on youtube burmese tofu

>>10425714
>this is what the gov / media wants you to think about veganism
Ok, first why would the government care about what we think of vegans?
Also the media? The media is super in favor of leftists shit like veganism

Keep in mind that this isn't as much a comment on the price of cooking vegan food, simply that only well off people have enough time to care about trivial shit like veganism. Its a classic white person problem, run out of real problems so we invent some new ones

>>10427260
If vegans and vegetarians get cheat days than pescetarians do too it's only fair

>>10429066
This

>>10421718

Vegan here

I once ordered a veggie pizza (from a place that specifically advertized in the newspaper that they were vegan friendly and had nondairy cheese), and I ordered it with double cheese and every vegetable. Plus delivery and tip (I was in a hotel room in a las vegas casino so it was a pita to deliver), I paid like $40 for the pizza. The pizza arrived with double nondairy cheese *covered in sausage*.

I was hungry and wasted, so I picked the sausage off and ate around it. But I still ate the grease because I couldn't exactly remove it.

Not 26 minutes later, my gf and I were fighting over the toilet because we both had severe diarrhea. Spent the rest of the night bloated and miserable. Drove to winco and ate nothing but hummus, V8 and mixed nuts the rest of the stay.

Tl;dr if you have been vegan a while, cheat day = toilet night

>>10430012
accurate af

>>10430012
why did you pick the sausage off ? an animal died for it, now you throw it away for nothing.

>>10430012
the absolute STATE of americans

>>10430012
Vegans get the grumpy dumpies from eating meat

>>10421951
Geez I think we won't be a match then cuz I'm a butcher.
But no worries I'll get something better than roast beef.

>>10426282
Yeah that's true. I'm vegan but I still eat my sundays roast, it feels good to care animals and make myself feel better too.

>>10430012
>ARRGGGHH MY BOWEL IS ALLERGIC TO SAUSAGE OIL REEE
fucking wimps like you should be shot, being this weak human
Also totally deserved it to be a faggot bougie, who orders a 40$ pizzas.

>>10421718
>meat eater with vegan cheat day
i love this thread so much

I only have sex with adults, but this "cheat day" seem very intriguing.

>>10433506
>had sex
liar.

>>10422042
shan't

>>10421718
This is why vegetarianism makes more since>>10421725

>>10426131
I do and I became a vegan for ethical reasons

>>10433480
There isn't any thing wrong with that. Im a vegan too but I still eat a meat lovers pizza twice a month on my cheat day

>>10433506
Onii-chan the police is knocking on the door.

This is really funny, it's like what?
I have stopped smoking, but I smoke on my cheat days
What an absolute joke

>vegetarians

A cheat day is whatever. You want to eat meat one day, then you eat meat that day. If not, then you don't. If you do, then you do. If you do, and you want to do it the next day, and the next, then you do.

There's no rules for this shit. I'm more concerned about some fucktard fucking with me because he felt bad about eating meat and decided to take it out on all vegans despite me never really telling anyone about what I eat or trying to push my diet, which is personal, on others. But I can watch a random episode of any random TV show and see someone with my diet being picked on. So I don't see any reason to worry about cheat days. Like things are complex as fuck, and so if one day I decide to smoke a bit of a herb that I bought from some dude that traces his routes down to some grower hundreds of miles away, and I get the munchies, and decide to eat meat when someone decides to cook shrimp in the oven because I happen to be at a party at the time, and I have the craving for it, I might eat it. And I'm cheating what? Is it a game to begin with? Just let it go and do what you want. The shrimp in that bag was already dead, I didn't create demand to it, so would you call it cheating? probably.

The unfortunate thing is that meat can be tasty and we know it, just like some inedible things are tasty (idk any off the top of my head). Just.. the way things go. Sometimes you'll be in a situation where you can eat some and you didn't buy it it -- it just happened to be there, and you're craving it. Don't fucking worry about cheating or calling it a "guilty meal", if you eat it then you do and if you don't then you don't. The next day you might continue not eating meat. Nothing ends there. It's not like you're automatically setting up a butcher shop to slaughter cows every minute.

TL;DR: Explain "cheating"

>>10421718
Humans are omnivore.

>>10423683
Lol. Bait?

>>10435859
>>10435845
Imagine being this autistic and butthurt over food.

>>10421718
You're retarded if you think anyone gives a shit when you go against your own shitty lifestyle that you evidently don't like

found the vegan

>>10437691
Imagine this vegetarian's dairy moobs

>>10421718
Yes, yes you should

>>10437725
I'm a vegan and I LOVE eating tofu and soy. The thought of taking a bite of meat makes me sick to the pit of my stomach

>>10439390
>Soyboy

>>10439390
Literally delusional.

>>10439408
I'm not delusional the last time I found out my fries were cooked in lard I couldn't eat for a week and I started cutting again out of grief

>>10439408
>falling for bait this hard
>calling others delusional

>>10439439
>cooked in animal fat that I had no control or knowledge over
>crying and cutting myself for week

Veganism is certainly a mental illness.

No one cares about your ridiculous fad diet.

You wouldn't be a vegan if you couldn't tell everybody about it.

Look up classifications of vegetarianism. It's broader than you think

>>10439476
Yeah, but it's all just idiot variations of the same nonsense.

>>10439476
True I'm technically a vegetarian even though I eat waterfowl

>>10439456
Not him, but I had to go on SSRIs after I found out the cake at my sister's wedding was egg-based. I havenr1 spoken to her since. It's unforgivable and should be against the law

>>10439487
Idk about just waterfowl but chicken eating vegetarians are considered pesco-vegitarian.

>>10421718
I just lie and say I'm a vegetarian. When I eat meat, I say "don't worry about it". If they continue to profess, I ask them to drop it, not worry about it. Then I continue claiming I'm a vegetarian. They can't do anything about it.

>>10439510
Actually your thinking of pescetetarians and they only eat seafood, no meat or veggies.

>>10439516
I'm a vegan and I would punch someone as hard as I can if they called me a "vege*arian"

>>10439620
Then you'll go to carnivore prison where they put people who abuse animals like humans, sow, and dogs. You're kept in an ironic cage with internet access so you can weep to the facebook media about food conditions.

Just eat meat, anon. Vegetarians and vegans are so sad.

I'm a vegan all of the time that I'm not chewing on the flesh of a dead animal for sustenance.

>>10421718
Vegans don't actually exist. They are a meme concocted by /fit/ to trick newfags and sap their gains so there isn't any competition at the top. You would have to be retarded to believe any of this bullshit.

YOU'RE WELCOME NEWFAGS.

>>10439647
I've been to prison and the only way I could post online is if I traded favors for a contraband iPhone. They don't let you have Wi-Fi or electronics at all

>>10439843
lmfao he thinks they get iPhones in prison and not knockoff brands... nice larp tho

>>10439855
iPhone is just my preferred brand, I was too afraid of getting caught to get contraband. I wish I never lost 6 years of my life for nothing

Vegans are the most pathetic and annoying cultists in existence.
t. plant based diet-fag

>>10439902
You're a fucking idiot and a miserable excuse for a human being if you aren't a vegan. Not even kidding. You have the power to end the suffering of billions of lives but you don't out of greed, laziness and gluttony. There's a special place in Hell for your kind.

>>10439937
Anon read your own post and ask yourself, what would others consider suspect of it? Take your time, this board is slow.

>>10439940
You're slow since didn't even understand my posts and are begging me to explain it

>>10439843
>>10439620
>being vegan
>being a filthy criminal scum
>got malnutrition by eating oats
>dies in colc prison floor

>>10439937
>the power to end the suffering of billions of lives but you don't out of greed, laziness and gluttony.
Get a load of this faggot

>>10439959
I didn't die in prison, idiot. I served my sentence and was released

>>10439951
Thou shalth reach no depth, for you sow no seeds that bear root, but those of thorn.

aka im saying your post is in no way deep, In my first post I pointed out an issue I had with vegan behaviour, I think you can figure out why I said what I did in the 2nd post :)

>>10439976
Oh you're a fundie, no wonder you're so retarded.

>>10439981
Anon, reconsider your actions. Im worried for you, I think you might be enabling bad emotional patterns?

Also I just wanted to show you what a small amount of depth on a post would actually look like lol.

>>10439992
Not him, but you lost the argument as soon as you quoted the Bible.

>>10440000
>as soon as you quoted the Bible.
I didnt, I came up with that quote myself in 70 seconds. Though Im flattered that you say that.

>>10439992
You don't even know how to spell, sweetie. Go back to >>>/b/ to have discussions that are more your speed.

>>10439967
>was released
Whew seems it was a mistake then skinhead

>>10440005
You're pretty autistic for timing your shitposts.

>>10440013
I'm NOT a Nazi you meat sucking dipshit. I was in prison for rape

>>10440017
>ameriturds cannot see the timestamp of each post
Urrhhhgggshh uurghh gaa gaahrgh?

>>10440011
Anon, not everyone is American, or futureproofing their posts, some might be posting on phones where fixing a post would take a lot of time and furstration for something where people normally give no acknowledgement. Has it ever happened to you, that you do something good without acknowledgement?

>>10440017
Arigato gonzales

>>10440022
>was not a nazi
>was a rapist
Oh a similar kind of scum then.

>>10440028
Dont associate us
t. /pol/

>>10440028
You sound like an altrighturd projecting your nazism onto me

>>10440034
>coming from a vegan rapist himself
You seems upset, have your hippie caravan towed off by the police?

>>10440044
Me being a vegan had nothing to do with the rape charge and committing rape doesn't make me a bad person, just a good person that made a small mistake

>>10440032
I don't know, mein himmler. Nu/pol/ is lefty/pol/ anyway, won't be surprising to find a vegetablist rapist among the bunch.

>>10440054
>committing rape doesn't make me a bad person
Seems you need more jailtime to fix up your head, creep

>>10440054
>instantly presuming you are being judged by character
>neo-veganism is associated with mental illness
>also a rapist
let me think...

>>10440070
You're just jealous that he's had sex unlike you, weeb virgin.

>>10440082
>virgin is worse than a rapist
Has the leftist got lost of their plot?

>>10423513
You couldn't be more wrong. The preponderance of evidence says meat and dairy consumption are correlated with heart disease, diabetes, and many chronic health conditions.

>>10440109
Most virgins are rapists in the making.

>>10440112
So nuns are rapists by that logic, as well monks?
Great logic there you rapist apologist

>>10440117
I'm not an apologist.

>tfw just bought some leather shoes and am about to go out with my bruvs to a vegan dinner

>>10426144
>eggs and cheese to keep from getting sick
?????

>>10440129
You're still a vegan even if you wear leather. It's the 6 days of the week that you eat vegan food that makes you a vegan. Nothing else

>>10439620
>getting punched by a vegan
lol who cares

>>10440173
>>10440173
You would if I knocked your teeth into your throat and gave you a concussion

>>10440206
>said the vegan while waving his malnutritioned hands

>>10440229
>malnourished
I'm 5'7 and I weigh 365 pounds. 1 punch from me is like being hit by a freight train at full speed.
I eat a balanced diet and most of my diet consists of nuts rich in protein. I get more proteins from a week of eating nuts than a carnist does eating 1 steak

>>10440239
>365 pounds
nigga you fat

>>10440242
Most of it is muscle and I'm not your "nigga" you racist moron

>>10440239
>>10440247
>A fat manlet vegan rapist
Do you count your moobs as 'muscles' too?

>>10440247
>racist
the fuck u sayin you pale ass honkey post ur fuckin insta imma beat you to a pulp fatass

>>10440239
>eating nuts
No wonder with that height you must be teavagged a lot

>>10440247
>Most of it is muscle
>365 lbs
Sure thing Björnsson.

>>10440239
>eating nuts rich with protein
No wonder with that height you must be got teabagged a lot

>longest living people eat primarily fruits and veggies with the occasional high quality meat, eggs, dairy or fish, and live in stres free enviroments
Explain

>>10440239
>nuts rich with proteins
Never change /fit/

>>10440276
2soon

>>10423683
Junk studies it is
>All animal protein is bad
>Why is it bad?
>Indian researchers found that rats with a high animal protein diet died earlier than rats with a high plant protein diet when also administered aflatoxin (peanut stuff)
Where does this become junk studies?
>The rats were fed a high protein diet comprised entirely of casein (one of many milk proteins) or a high protein diet comprised of whey.
>Rats already have seperate findings that they have a far worse susceptibility to cancer growth with casein specifically, and the inverse for whey
>In fact, we have been through preliminary studies that whey might even reduces cancer risks in humans
>Despite this, campbell only uses this study, using a specific protein that gives mice cancer against a specific protein that reduces the same cancer
But wait, we havnt even dug into the data yet!
>Cancer development was cited, but what wasnt cited was how long the rats actually lived
>Of the low protein diet 22, 6 died in the first six months, the last died after two years
>None of the casein rats died in the first year, but they did die before the last vegan rat
>The amount of peanut stuff given? The human equivalent would have been 280,000 PB sandwiches over 4 days worth of aflatoxin.
This is the Aha! Moment that lead Campbell to begin his crusade against animal proteins. But like him, I left out the other part of the study.
>They did a similar study alongside this with chimps, same diet but a realistic aflatoxin intake.
Cont. In the next post

>>10440274
Literally every study that claims non-vegans are doomed to die of colon cancer doesnt differentiate between a McDonalds burger and a 200g serving of lean beef. Meat wont kill you, the excessive nitrate intake of the average first world adult will

>>10440274
They would've lived longer if they cut out the eggs, dairy, meat, and fish from their diet.

>>10423683
To quote those darling poo doctors
>Monkeys on low protein diet surviving for 90 weeks or more show foci of preneoplastic lesions, whereas those on high protein diet reveal no such alterations at the corresponding time interval...It appears that in the simian model used by us, the liver injury caused by [aflatoxin] is accentuated by simultaneous restriction of dietary protein and in animals on such combined regimen preneoplastic lesions appear around 90 weeks of experiment. These observations suggest a synergism between protein calorie malnutrition and aflatoxin induced hepatocarcinogenesis and may explain the higher incidence of hepatocellular carcinoma in certain areas of the world where contamination of foods with aflatoxin and malnutrition are prevalent.
Simply put, animal protein, or at least casein, was counteracting the known carcinogen in peanuts. All you had to do was not study an animal that literally gets cancer from what youre testing.

The China Study, not the book but the study of chinese diets and mortality, was junk studies. It was just a collection of data from a bunch of counties of how people lived and how they died, pulling a conclusion from raw numbers like that would be silly. The numbers Campbell quotes are raw data that includes being stabbed, hit by a car or sucked into an escalator alongside cancer as its just a total death rate. Any number of researchers who worked to decipher the meaning of this raw data, >>10400815 denise for one, showed literally the opposite of what Campbell is insisting.

>Among those aged 0-64, total protein returned a 29% negative association with overall mortality. In other words, increasing protein intake was associated with a decreasing risk of death. This finding was statistically significant. In all age groups, egg consumption was negatively associated with all-cause mortality, with a statistically significant 43% decrease in overall mortality among those aged 0-64.

Raw lies or number games next?

>>10440282
You copied my post <3

>>10440292
xoxoxooxo

>>10421718
Of course you can have a cheat day.

I'm a vegan and every saturday I lock myself in my basement and gorge myself on 5lbs of raw hamburger.

>>10440288
Lmao if you actually believe this. These centenarian societies aren't taking truck loads of supplements to stay alive, they actually eat a well balanced diet unlike vegans.

>>10440239
>you_may_not_like_it_but_this_is_what_peak_performance_looks_like.jpg

>>10440307
>oozing mental illness
every last one of them, jesus fucking christ

>>10440307
A true vegan diet rich in protein filled nuts is objectively speaking the only way to live past 105.

>>10440304
I never did get around to writing the raw lies or numbers games. The vegan peddling Cambells weapons grade bullshit ran off shortly after it was posted and the thread finally died.

>>10440318
What about that pic makes you think she's mentally ill in any way?

>>10440239
How hateful God needs to be that he lets you be a vegan and still fat

>>10440325
lol
fuck off

>>10440307
I can land a chopper on that forehead
Also is that a mtf tranny?

>>10440329
cus those foos be starving all the time. they gotta take like a hundred nuts to the face to feel even half satisfied had they gone for a nice steak.

>>10440325
Vegans tend to have a weird sickly/malnourished look to them. Probably the off hue skin color and insane eyes from their brain eating itself inside out due to lack of proper nutrition.

>>10440323
Well when you present holes in their argument two posts in, they turn to scurry away.

>>10422189
This. Fuck pets. Buy your brat a bat and teach him how to swing.

>>10423472
>A whole foods plant based diet is objectively the healthiest diet.
>objectively
I don't think you know what that word means.

>>10440329
I gained 250lb when I switched to a vegan diet because it takes more food to be full. Also god isn't real

>>10440320
>eating protein filled nuts

>>10440345
The best part is he STILL insists on telling people about a "study" thats been proven to him to be a load of shit.

>>10440357
>gained 250lb
Congrats then for proving veganism is a mental illness fatso

>>10423472
This is the truth that Big Meat doesn't want the public to know about

>>10440360
Nuts have more protein pound for pound than any meat product

>>10440356
Yes, that is why I used that term. Please feel free to refute the post instead of arguing with logical fallacies or no substance.

Reminder:
>if you drink beer but also call people soyboys, you are consuming a phytoestrogen between one and two orders of magnitude more potent when you drink beer
>soy is a clean protein source with protective effects when consumed as a whole/close to whole food (tempeh, tofu, edamame).

>>10440476
Soy based beer has more phytoestrogens in it then a bowl of edamame (soy beans)

>>10440378
250lb and 200 of it is muscle,

>>10422183
>5'11"
>6'0"

>>10421718
I consider myself a vegan but I still eat honey, wear crocodile and use indoor pesticides

>>10440686
How dare you, flies, roach and mosquitos are our friend. We should love all animals

>>10440971
Flies and roaches break down waste.
Mosquitos have killed more humans than any other single thing, and if that's not worthy of admiration I don't know what is.

So, whats the most reliable dietary study relating to health? Theres so much conflicting info literally everywhere.

>>10441841
>whats the most reliable dietary study relating to health?
https://adventure.howstuffworks.com/universal-edibility-test.htm

>>10441841
Just go to nutritionfacts.org
Dr. Greger is humble, honest, and does not profit off of anything he does. You will also understand why there is so much conflicting evidence once you start watching his videos. He explains how certain industries (meat, dairy, salt, egg, etc.) sponsor/fix studies which reflect desirable results for their products. The pharmaceutical industry also tries to suppress the health benefits of such a simple diet because what money is there to be made from broccoli? Even those in the ketogenic cult admit that whole-food plant based diet is strongly associated with longevity compared to any other diet, since the evidence is pretty much undeniable.

>>10441910
>Run site called nutritionfacts
>Its actually just a vegan propaganda outlet to sell snake oil to retards

>>10442155
>>10441910
The amount of bad science in industries such as pharmacy, environmental science, medicine, and agriculture is astounding. All of these "scientists" need to be put on trial. As an actual scientist it makes my skin crawl. Capitalism was truly a mistake.

>>10442155
he doesn't market or sell anything you fucking shill

>>10442222
>As an actual scientist
t. psych undergrad

I've been a vegan for 5 years. When I broke my arm, I ate salmon for a few weeks to try to speak up the healing process. Honestly, it was very spiritually trying. I started veganism as a means to protest the negative environmental effects of animal product production, but I quickly came to appreciate all life and develop my spirituality as I grew. I found myself praying to Brahman before every serving of salmon and as soon as my arm was almost healed, I stopped.

>>10442228
Really? You havnt bought any of his books? The "How not to die" cookbook just came out this year, its section for making reptilian salves from quinoa and aloe worked wonders for my mortal condition

>>10439937
What if buying chicken meat made mexicans die? Might make me drop veganism.

>>10442228
your a shill

Unlike bribed people, Vegans are completely devoted into obfuscating their research for the sake of ideology, and doing so continuosly, while those bribed tend to try and get out as fast as possible.

>>10442785
I'm a vegan and this is true. We have no empathy for people. Most vegans are psychopaths and sociopaths desu.

>>10442288
https://nutritionfacts.org/faq
Site runs on donations, all profits from books, etc. go to charity. Disinfo faggot. All that meat must have rotten your brain. I bet you're a nu-male twink.

>>10442916
Not him, but I'm a vegan too and we pay them through donations to spread misinformation to make veganism look better.

>>10442916
>all profits go to charity
>"I just pay myself half a million dollars as my salary for basic living expenses"

"10/12/16 UPDATE: Dr. Greger’s public health director position was eliminated, and so while the above answer was accurate for the first 5 years of the existence of the site, Dr. Greger now draws a salary from NutritionFacts.org as Chief Science Officer. All the proceeds he receives from the sales of his books, DVDs, and speaking engagements continue to be donated to charity."

Even if this guy made 0$ off this shit, people have their own biases/agendas to push. It's pretty obvious what agenda a vegan would have (get people to stop eating animals..).

How dumb are you.

>>10442936
What stake do you have in this? Dr. Greger specifically does not advocate solely for the abstention of animal products because he knows that this alone is not enough. He advocates a whole food plant based diet. You can live off beer and potato chips and be "vegan".

>>10442955
All conjecture on your behalf.

>>10442916
>All proceeds from buying his snake oil go to charity and non profits
>His site is a non profit, of which he is a paid executive
Youre a gullible retard.

>>10442965
I just want to turn more people into vegans to spare the lives of trillions of animals. Dr. Greger is a sheep in wolf's clothing. He takes vegan blood money to misinform the public. Did you know he drives a Maserati?

>>10442981
How is he misinforming the public?

>>10442980
You're the kind of faggot that thinks if someone is making money at all, they aren't trustworthy. Slave morality society. Dumb little commie meat eating smooth brain.

>>10443036
>claim doctor makes no profit from spreading lies
>gets called out on bullshit
>"HE NEEDS TO EARN A LIVING TOO"

don't make false claims then moron.

>>10443036
>Oh lawdy that snake oil salesman he just a hard workin man going town to town saving lives with his miraculous oil
So are we going to skip to the part where I peel apart his cherry picked meta analysis trash or are we going to have to keep up a back and forth of why the slimy turd is a slimy turd until the goal posts are in a different area code?

>>10443043
You have yet to point out any "lies" that he had spread or point out whose pocket he is in. "Big Broccoli"?

>>10443064
He doesn't need to be in anybodies pocket because he clearly makes enough selling his snakeoil to retards like yourself.

>>10443075
>I'm gonna keep smoking because that greedy snake oil salesman is making a ton of money off of his anti-tobacco website where he informs people about the dangers of smoking
>and the gullible retards believe what he says and actually give him money to support this message so that he can focus on his work full-time!
>d-did you know he drives a n-nice car too?!

>>10443049
Go ahead and pick it apart. Debunk his shit and I'll go out and buy a steak tonight.

>>10443109
No you wont, your a gullible retard with a loyalty. If you knew how to read a study you would have seen his extreme reliance on meta analysis for 90% of his work and had a think about why he uses the least reliable for of study to prop up his claims. If you ever cared to read into his other work instead of his blog youd notice the pattern of obfuscating inconvenient facts that show animal proteins as more beneficial than his plant based alternatives (his "beans cure kidney cancer" bit from his dvd series comes to mind). You probably dont even have a favorite work of creative writing he has put out for me to rip up, you just read the headlines and roll with it because he has an MD on his title.

>>10443098
>>10443064
>>10443018
>>10442965
>>10442916
>>10441910
Geez all that green veggies must be making your brain malnutritioned.
Really vegans only have squirrel's brains.

>>10443136
How is animal protein more beneficial? It taxes the liver and kidneys more because of its skewed amino acid profile.

>>10422955
no, you are a moron because you look like one

>>10443174
The claims come from what we call a meta analysis where you compile a study based on other studies. That liver and kidney failure your talking about has hundreds of confounding elements that are more relevent than the broad spectrum of different proteins that we get from animal products. The thing I was talking about was a bit where he claims that the best protection against kidney failure is a diet free of red meat and animal fats. The study he says he cites found beans to be a great way to have healthy kidneys. What he doesnt mention is that switching to a low fat milk is just as good for your kidneys as cutting out all red meat and animal fats, and the study was only based on one semi-rare disease to begin with.

>>10443174
And to answer your question, there are certain proteins we omnivores and carnivores have evolved to use over the last hundreds of millennia that only come from animal products. The trace amounts of stuff like taurine and carnitine you get from red meat are major players in our endocrine and nervous systems health.

>>10443303
Okay look, here's the other thing that pisses me off about meat eaters, is that if you're arguing about the beneficial nutrients our ancestors got from meat, they were likely from organ meats. Most modern diets only consist of flesh which is nutritionally deplete comparatively speaking and just straight up hypocritical.

>>10443440
So what tree do you pick a kidney off of then genius? Flesh isnt "nutritionally deplete" whatever your basis for that is, I literally just listed 2 of several things we get our daily % of from flesh.

>>10443501
The baggage that comes along with consuming meat is more detrimental than whatever nutrients you're leaving behind by not consuming meat. Meat consumption is negatively correlated with longevity.

>>10443556
Got a study for that? If you say The China Study I am going to laugh at you. Youll confidently claim we dont get anything valuable from it saying its "Nutritionally Deplete" then upon finding out that it isnt, you claim it isnt worth it anyways. Link me something

>>10443556
What baggage exactly?
You know it's possible to eat meat without having anything to do with factory farming or over-consumption, right?

>>10443556
Longevity isn't a good determinant of quality of life. High testosterone/being a man are also negatively correlated with longevity.

>>10443602
Well yeah above normal levels test is pretty shitty for everything except building muscles. Being a man is literally just a phrase.

>>10443018
A better question would be how is he not?

ALRIGHT FAGS SHOW ME STUDIES ON THE BEST MEME DIET, KETO, PLANTO, PALEO, OMNIVO, RIGHT FUCKING NOW OR IM GOING TO CLOSE THIS THREAD

>>10443743
It's vegan

>>10443758
vegan is not a dieto

>>10443778
My vegan diet cured my diabetes but now I'm morbidly obese and I have gynocomstia

>>10443743
>ALRIGHT FAGS SHOW ME STUDIES ON THE BEST MEME DIET
Best diet for what? Weight loss? General health? Bulkan?

>>10443785
veganarino is no dietarino is a lifestylerino

>>10443788
Living good living long living brain living strong

>>10443799
>Living good
Hedonistic omnivore
>living long
Talk to a nutritionist, high quality ingredients and meticulous weighing will be needed
>living brain
Mediterranean, not the fad diet the literal greek diet of vegetables, fatty plants and fish
>living strong
increase meat and fish by 25%, this will be more lifestyle changes than anything else because food wont exactly do it alone

Op your dad is straight but he has a lot of cheat days.

Probably why he created a shit posting son.

>>10421718
Yes, and I eat pussy on my cheat day.

>>10443501
All I'm saying is that evolutionarily, occasional advantageous consumption of (all parts of) animals makes more sense than eating flesh three times per day. Evolutionarily this makes more sense.

>>10443556
>an egg laying on ground
>REEE YOU CANNOT EAT IT ANIMAL CRUELTY REEEE
>honey dripping from the nest
>REEE YOU CANNOT EAT CRUELTY EXPLOITATION REEE

>>10422262
Im a vegan for health reasons. Ethics cucks are setting back the vegan movement. Veganism is about being healthy and wanting to murder fat people.

>>10444910
I'm a health vegan and I wouldn't eat an egg because it's just heart disease incarnate.
I do eat honey though because there is nothing unhealthy about it (if you live an active lifestyle which I do)

>>10444930
>I'm a health vegan and I wouldn't eat an egg because it's just heart disease incarnate
m8 this has been proven false since 2006. Even the yolks are nowhere near as bad as we thought

>>10444924
>>10444930
pescetarian is much healthier than veganism if you are only going on health.

Also don't worry mate, eating honey is more vegan than not eating it. Bees are exploited for mass pollination of crops (blueberries, apples, etc.) and are killed by the truck loads in the process. Huge amounts of colonies die in the process, and the ones that live get tons of diseases and are beyond stressed. It's like comparing an abused dog to one from a happy family, night and day difference working on hives in mass pollination compared to just honey production.

Vegans have no problem exploiting bees and essentially torturing them but taking honey (doesn't harm the bees at all) is a problem to them...vegans are retarded.
>t.beekeeper.

>>10444930
>vegan
>eating honey
What does he mean by this?

>>10444924
>Veganism is about being healthy and wanting to murder fat people.

Hold up, you guys had this awesome selling point this entire time and didn't use it? Idiots.

remember, ethical vegans can eat meat that is donated freely. so they can chew on their own forearm. or their mothers. but not their childrens, children are selfish cows that never surrender their flesh

>>10421718
Yes, it's true. My wife is vegan, and about once a month she gets a "cheat day" where she'll fly out to Detroit to have meals with meat from her favorite restaurants (she doesn't allow us to have meat in our house).

>>10421718
Anon I really don't think shooting up YouTube HQ counted as a vegan "cheat day."

>>10421729
lol but actually

>what's worse than a vegan?
>a cheating vegan.
Ishygddt, fucking scum.

>>10446033
How's your wife's son doing

>>10434204
i have your IP sorry haha

>>10445583
Honey is a vegan food. Bees aren't animals

Vegetarianism is a mental disorder

>>10445808
An ethical vegan who is orthodox Jewish may consume the foreskin from the brisk

>>10447768
Bees 100% are animals and honey is definitely not vegan.

>>10445614
Its not. There is nothing inherently healthy about veganism or a vegan diet. The stipulating factor is no consumption of animal products. That is it. Many vegans are unhealthy and most vegans are ethical vegans which is retarded.

If you want to have a healthy diet you should be consuming a whole foods plant based diet which is not the same thing as a vegan.

>>10448374
I'm a vegan and bees are bugs not animals and honey is a vegan food

>>10448382
lol, why have rules if you just break them when convenient?

>>10448382
Bugs are animals. Are you actually retarded?

There are only 6 kingdoms: Animalia, Plantae, Fungi, Protista, Archaea/Archaeabacteria, and Bacteria/Eubacteria

Bees fall under the animal kingdom as well as sponges.

>>10448382
>bugs aren't animals
Geez starting now I'll consider cow as a non-animal too.

>>10448382
Crustaceans might as well be vegan then. Lobster prices are going to fucking soar because of these herbivores.

>>10421754
This. I’m not going to inconvenience my friends and family. I’ll eat a grilled cheese at a greasy spoon or something to get along and have a good time. I am privately exclusively vegan because that’s how I choose to live. I try to suggest Mexican or Indian places because it’s easier to be a plant eater within the bounds of that cuisine

>>10439784
Wise
>>10443098
Pilpul

>>10444930
Honey is fine from the perspective of non animal eaters. It’s not ethical tho. Agave is basically the same only a little runnier.

>>10448382
True and wise.

>>10448512
>Crustaceans might as well be vegan then
They are

>>10448404
False equivalency, appeal to nature fallacy, strawman.

Eating anything that has ever had a face is evil! Yucky!

>>10448715
True. Thanks for identifying pilpul friend:)

>>10448715
>taking sarcasm as an object of fallacy

>>10448736
Eating any moving creature, including micro organisms, is downright evil

>>10448709
>>10448737
>I'm not going to eat only animals that I'm thinking it is non-animal
>but it's animal
>but it's not in MY opinion
Yeah no wonder coming from the mouths of people who are living as 25 genders.
Wilted brainlets

>>10448757
Crustaceans are bugs, retard.

>what's worse than a vegan?
>a cheating vegan who eats animals they selected based on their opinion.
Ishygddt, fucking scum.

>>10448762
Do you even know what an animal is or are you just a braindead?

>>10448388
>sponges are animals
They're plants nigga. Are u for real? They don't even have legs

>>10448768
Bugs aren't warm blooded like people and mammals they are cold blooded like plants which is why it's okay to eat them as a vegan

>>10448388
This nigga be watchin sponge[B]o[B] and now he be thinkin they really walk and talk and shit like real animals lmao

>>10421951
>>10422189
You are also contributing to global warming. A medium breed dog generates as much CO2 annually as owning a huge fucking SUV. Outdoor cats kill literally billions of birds and small mammals annually, just in the U.S. alone.

KILL YOUR PETS. KILL FERAL CATS AND DOGS.

>>10448775
>cold blooded like plants
Yeah nice try faggot

>>10448795
Cats and dogs aren't animals they're pests wtf that's why it's okay to eat them

>>10448771
>>10448388
>Sponges (Porifera) are a group of animals that includes about 10,000 living species.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sponge

>>10448791
see>>10448850

>>10448771
Haha for real

>>10448804
Poor response,Zo. Adapt to kinder and
neutral standards. Thanks!

>>10448913
Go and eat bags of dicks, phony.
Good for your 'vegan' brain.

>>10448984
Tay, please be safe. I’ll be there soon