/ck/ - Food & Cooking

I wish alcohol overdoses would kill you in the same way other drug overdoses do. Like if I just keep drinking until I peacefully pass out and then never wake up it would be perfect.

>>10351117
I've been raging for over a week now and I'm hitting a wall now. The remote communications I was having with people were just fucked.

>>10351122
I fall asleep every night wishing for no wakeys but then wakeys and "god damnit"

Round 2.

I woke up shaking so bad this morning my ex wife even took pity on me and gave me one of her Valium when she came over to check to make sure I was still alive this morning.

Then drove me to the liquor store because I was too shaky to drive, God bless that woman.

>>10351128
i feel ya, all i was doing with my "friends" was drinking and i had to invite myself everytime.

>>10351133
stop it okay. that vodka is way too cheap.

>>10351122
Why not just acquire the drugs that do give a 'proper' overdose like fentalogs or barbiturates?

>>10351133
whoa, keep that girl, no matter what happens, keep her dude. This is coming from a guy that could have been married while drinking heavily twice... Keep her if she'll keep you, you won't get any better at drinking.

>>10351137
All of my friends and I moved to different places. So I talk to them by text and email at times. I have to try to make them not too bizarre the drunker I get. They really are the only people I have to talk to though, I have 0 friends where I live now.
Over a week ago I sent multiple messages out insulting people and disparaging them.

>>10351133
Sounds like she's enabling you to be an alkie

lmao drunk faggots

>>10351137

Ha
>party/birthday/wedding invites - bring a plus one
i brought along my liver and no shame

>>10351150
I obviously don't have a way to

>>10351144
I couldn't stop even if I wanted to

>>10351188
Glad I haven't reached this point where I drink the cheapest looking shit yet to be honest. I'm still on buying Smirnoff when it's on discount

>>10351156
>contact women ive not spoken too in years
>no reply
>fuck it a normal person would go ok, not interested, im gonna carry on sending shit that makes me laugh until the polis say im being stalkerish

>>10351155
We've been married and divorced already because of my drinking.


We dated from 16/17 to (sort of) current and now I'm 28 and she's 29.

She loves me and I love her, But she can't live with me or be married to me because of my drinking. She still checks on me daily and occasionally we have sex and go to dinner when I'm not hammered drunk


>>10351158
She knows I will never stop, She gave up trying to stop me. An now just makes sure I don't crash cars or break the law

>>10351188

This is like a 3rd of my glass collection. I'm going to return them now because I just make my own.

>>10351225
You can return those?

You distill your own?

Why not use them to store your liquor?

>>10351206
she's sounds like a good woman. and they are rare. why not get help for her?

>>10351241

I only need a few handles to hold my booze. Not 120 bottles.

Yes I distill my own every 5 days.

>>10351225
this one isn't that bad

ok... my old laptop's keyboard just shat out on me the day i was planning to sell it. i am broke until this thing is gone and need it off my hands to make rent in a week. i just wanna catch a fucking break.

>>10351242
Why would he get help for her when he is the alkie?

>>10351251

>ooh fancy

i think i just burned my lips. i squished on the cigs filter and breathed bunch of still burning tobacco.
at least i doesn't feel too painful

>>10351242
She's an amazing woman, I love her very much. But I have issues man....I have PTSD and PTSD takes a toll on a man. I need alcohol, It's my medicine

Seeing what I had to see and doing what I had to do for almost 600 days (3 tours)....I don't blame anyone who's a combat vet for drinking or using drugs.

It's hard to do that job, Then come back to civilian life. You question your decisions and to be honest and I'm not being edgy...Killing people is not easy. It haunts you daily

People make it seem like waxing a dude is no sweat, Well... if you have feelings and aren't a psychopath...You can't kill people and just never think about it again. Even if those people chose the wrong side to fight for, It haunts you.

Don't join the military folks, Your just fighting a rich mans war and it will only make you a bitter, mean, paranoid, alcoholic.

I thought it was a good career choice, Like a naive fucking moron. And look at me now...

>>10351290
Plenty of vets get pstd help but it's your path, man.

>>10351261
The point is to get help for himself, for her sake.

>>10351290
Have you considered a different drug? I have two friends who served and have PTSD and they both have had great success with weed. I'm not claiming it's a perfect solution, but it's a hell of a lot better than alcohol from a safety/health perspective.

>>10351305
>Have you considered a different drug?


I tried marijuana, It's OK.

I smoke it sometimes when I'm drunk, But by itself it kind of makes me more paranoid and doesn't help with sleep or feels.

I've never tried any other drugs besides taking benzos occasionally for the shakes. I

>>10351298
Honestly man...

Every VA is a year plus wait to be seen, A lot of people like me are not living well because of the things they had to see and do. Plus the ones who have physical issues as well...

Also if you've ever been to a VA, There kind of a pussy mentality about it. Like other service members are judging you for being weak. It's fucking tough going there...

I quit going and just use alcohol

>>10351251
Can you post pics of your still?

>>10351342
>Also if you've ever been to a VA, There kind of a pussy mentality about it. Like other service members are judging you for being weak. It's fucking tough going there...


>getting pissed on alcohol isnt weak

>>10351355

>>10351430
what kind of mash are you using?

do any other alchies have a consistent bad cough? when i'm not drinking i tend to always feel a bit nauseous, and i gag-cough all day long. it sucks.

>>10351510
I don't get any physical withdrawals except for constantly shaky hands so I'm not sure if I'm even actually an alcoholice desu

>>10351493

http://shuggo.com/birdwatchers/calculator.htm

>>10351515
oy vey

>>10351206

I've lost a couple of those. One was the best friend I ever had and now wont even talk to me.

>>10351514
i take it you have a decent paying job and can manage to take care of yourself decently well for an alchie. i'm sure a lot of my issues stem from/are compounded by a lack of any nutrition whatsoever. i'm one of those skinny alchies who loses weight when they up their drinking.

>>10351553
feels. only woman i've ever really loved was visiting my city a year ago exactly with a couple of her friends. she invited me out and all was well until i learned she had a boyfriend, and i just got depressed as shit, clammed up, got shitfaced, and left in a huff and puff. she accepted my apology, but hasn't talked to me since and probably never will. cheers

>>10351117

>tfw got laid off today

>>10351601
>i take it you have a decent paying job and can manage to take care of yourself decently well for an alchie
not at all. i quit my job last november and while i've passively been looking for a new job I really would just rather die.

>>10351647
Have a drink, man

>>10351647
sorry anon. at least it's a valid excuse to drink. join us unemployed alchies.

did they at least give you two weeks notice?

what are the requirements to fit into this thread?
i drink a handle of vodka in a night so i think i qualify.

Tourist here. These threads are a fucking disgrace. You might treat it like some form of 'Alcoholics Anonymous' but it doesn't read that way. It reads like any other /r9k/ thread where people bask in each other's self-loathing to point of romanticising it. Absolutely disgraceful. That's where this sort of shit belongs, /r9k/. I'd say 'seek help' but I'm sure you're all bloody aware of the fact that you need help but you're certainly not going to find it here.

>>10351848
It's a lot better than /r9k/. /r9k/ is mostly about sex, where this is definitely more about empathising with fellow alcoholics.

>>10351884
It's like /r9k/ in that it's an echo chamber of self-loathing that people get mired in it and make no attempt to improve themselves. Whether it's sex or alcohol is irrelevant.

>>10351848
This isn't anything near AA

>>10351918
Yeah no fucking shit. Read the post. Everyone who seriously posts in this thread NEEDS AA, or some sort of rehab. I've known alcoholics, read ones, the kind that drink so much they shit their pants (in the prior thread we had people go on about shitting themselves as though it were a laughing matter). That's all you can do for these people. Drug addicts, that's all it is. Just because you can buy it at the store doesn't make it any nicer.

>>10351122
It uh...actually can kill you bro. Try harder I guess.

>>10351896
ok

>>10351918
It kinda does sound like AA to me. Bunch of drunks who romanticize drinking and revel in the self loathing and pity, they're just not drinking.

>>10351933

Being able to laugh about shitting the bed is kind of the point of al/ck/ threads, dum dum.

>>10351290
I was talking to a vet buddy about this the other day actually. I made the comment that he joined the military because he despised american culture, couldn't see himself as a part of it, felt like an outsider, so he joined the military in search of identity and glory, then just got shot at for years, and came back to the exact same world he hated and didn't feel part of, and now he's got to live in it, plus with ptsd and bullet wounds and all that shit too. He started crying.

>>10351305
I know it's cliche but you have to stop for yourself

cut way back the same way i did cigarettes getting mad at all the money I was blowing. but sometimes you need a drink, I understand that. sometimes you need a lot of drinks.

1 Month on the wagon and I'm more high strung and stressed out than ever. Just beat the shit of of my kitchen because a recipe wasn't working for me lol

Small question,
What's the most respectable/dignified way to dispose of 20+ spirit bottles and 100+ beer cans in a single night?
I live in an apartment complex that requires each individual bottle/can to be deposited one at a time through a whole in the bin but I can't be arsed (and it would be noisy as fuck)
Also don't want to just chuck the whole load in general waste though, my crappy habit shouldn't make somebody else's day crappy sorting through that

>>10351933
It's a misery loves company sort of thing. You say they need AA but most of these people have no desire to quit. Also, some of the stories are funny and others can be related to.

>>10352126
crush the cans with your feet and maybe break the bottles if you possibly can.
don't do it drunk though you will fuck yourself up for real if you do.

>>10352115
Sure, sure, sometimes you need to be drunk for six months and live in an abandoned grain silo.

>>10352119

I don't really like the term "Dry Drunk", because dickfucks in AA throw it around so much that it's meaningless, but this is kind of the definition of it.

You're not dealing with the issues that are causing you to drink, you're just not drinking (and it probably won't last that long, even when I was a stone cold hopeless drunk I could muscle out a month of sobriety without that much difficulty).

>>10352126
Find some kid, say you'll give him a few bucks, or beer or drugs or something, to get rid of them for you.

I've been spending way too much money at the bar and liquor store recently. I'm about to go down to the bar now to have a drink. It took me a while this morning to even remember if I went there last night (I did). Is there really anything wrong with loving to drink? I just wish I could stop drinking at work.

>>10351967
I cry too, Man.

I try to not make a habit of it and/or do it alone because It's ultra shameful.

>>10352197
how long have you been drinking?

>>10352187
He wants to dispose of it properly, not just "just get rid of it" by any means necessary

The kid will most likely just chuck it in general waste, which is what that anon doesn't want

>>10352168
no no I wish I could, my point was that the only access to the bottle/tin bin is a little bristled slit; they've locked the door shut
They all have to be inserted by hand, I can't do that.
I have three bags full of cider bottles, four bags full of cans and two bags full of spirit bottles. It's 1am. I would piss off EVERYONE

>>10352197
>Is there really anything wrong with loving to drink?
I don't think so. But my health is suffering because of it so I cut it out for now. Take it easy with it and enjoy the long game of drinking for decades, anon.

>>10352126
Do you have a car? Load up your trunk and drive to the recycling depot.

>>10351884
Huh?

How bad are your teeth guys?


Mine are pretty fucking bad.

>>10352213
If the guy was 20 and said he loves drinking, I might believe him. Everybody really loves it at first. But if you 35 and drinking at work, I'm almost positive you don't do it because you love it, you're doing it because you fucking need to do it, seeing how you're completely addicted to it.

Once you become an addict, it's not really fun at all, it's just a shitty wreck that you keep dragging out because you can't find your way out.

>>10352223
After a binge I'll get that weird off-set coated feeling across all my teech; feels fucking disgusting. Generally that ends up to a 3 or 4 day run without brushing.
But no, no actual dental problems so far. Only a matter of time though

>>10352223
i brush my teeth no matter how drunk i am, unless i pass out and vomit. vomit actually damages your teeth quite a lot.
still i have to get fillings every year or so.

sober me said to diet BUT PISSED ME WANTS FOOD!
Going to order me something at the glorious hour of 2am, what culture of food would other al/ck/ys recommend?
I'm thinking Chinese, but I don't know any good Chinese foods (could use help in this area as well)

>>10352283
order food at 2AM? huh, what do you know?

>>10352291
?
I legitimately don't get it

>>10352283
i usually get pork lo mein and some egg rolls

One time I was shitfaced, and I called this chinese place and said, "Hey, I want some dick lo dick, get over here and let me suck your dick!" and the chinese guys just goes, "Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure, sure, I be right over." and I was just like cool, and hung up.

The fucked up thing was a chinese delivery guy did knock on my door a few hours later, but he just had the wrong house. Wierded me out though.

>>10352336

>>10352223
This is the alky thread, you want the meth thread.

>>10352543
>t. someone who's never drank longer than daily for a year


Come back after you've been drinking daily for a solid decade, Soyboy.

Vomiting and alcohol are not good for your teeth.

>>10351848
i was a regular al/ck/ poster for years.

I'm one month sober now and I come here to remind me of what happens to me if I ever go back. Al/ck/ is the best.

Most sincere people on the fucking site.

>>10352212
What I do in this town is I leave my bags of empties in the back alley for whatever bum picks cans. Usually it barely takes an hour and it's gone.

Lately though my deadbeat roommate has been bringing them in since I don't give him smokes mo more and he's rolled all the buts I had accumulated outside.

>>10351683

yes, they're going to pay me for a week and pay me out all of my vacation time. which is honest and fair. after that i'm on my own.

>>10351133
She deserves better than you. Get your fucking life together, man.

My body is crumbling beneath the weight of my crippling alcoholism. Send help.

>>10351933
>in the prior thread we had people go on about shitting themselves as though it were a laughing matter
but it is a laughing matter. Poopie is funny lol

>>10352753
may flights of angels sing thee to thy rest

Jesus even the superspergs at work have a wife and kid. I mean I don't want to pass my horrible addict and possibly bipolar genes on but these fuckers manage to get women and build a life with them for at least a short time. Fuck.

>>10352126
Throw them at muslims.

>>10352853
eh i was in rehab and the fucking opiate addicts had wives and girlfriends and shit. was kinda reeeing until i saw that most of them were fat and ugly and i would rather fuck a goat.

>>10351188
>pinnacle
my man

Got a bottle of Jack to celebrate 2 weeks sober.
That's not cognitive dissonance, is it?

>>10353043
i suppose that depends on whether you drink it.

>>10353049
I am currently drinking it

>tfw every time I have a place to stay I end up getting drunk until I lose everything
>tfw camping out like a hobo and I don't touch the stuff even when I still work and have more cash than before due to no rent

>>10351510
Always, and like you its when I'm not drinking, or when I'm entering withdrawal.
I never have it when I'm drunk or in the process of getting drunk, but when that's not happening I get like two coughs followed by a gaggy, phlegmy cough.
Lozenges help, try some of those maybe.

My skin is turning yellow. Who else getting into the jaundice stage of alcoholism?

>>10353181
Have you resigned yourself to death?

>>10353193
God I wish that were me

i am so fucking frustrated with technology brehs

>>10353289
What problems are your having

any of you guys every worked as a social network manager? some lady called me for an interview tomorrow's pm, but the business is still young so she would pay me a misery salary (it doesn't really matter, I would work from home and r my phone most of the time and it would count as social service for my school so it's ok), I would appreciate the extra income, but I don't know what I'm getting into

>>10351967
99% of vets have never taken a shot at someone or has had bullets shot at them. Most disabled vets are disabled for other reasons besides actual combat.

>>10353289
I’m trying to help you and you ignored me. Just like everyone else in life.

>>10353385
i reformatted my HDD and uninstalled+tried to reinstall my OS in preparation for someone else to buy my laptop. now my laptop is saying the HDD is damaged and can't be repaired, so it can't boot an OS. i currently have an OS-less computer i was supposed to sell this evening. gonna try to get it fixed tmrw morning, but i have a feeling it's gonna be costly out of pocket.

>>10353560
sorry if you replied earlier and i missed it. i was switching between two machines so i think i missed some (You)s.

>>10351133
are you the guy that drank 2.5 liters in <24 hours?

>general

haha funny man

>>10353640
Does the bios screen recognize the HDD?

>>10353060
How do you shower?

i am the machine

>>10353849
prefer tonic to club soda desu

>>10353859
>adding more calories

>losing your second job in less than a month

HR is genuinely trying to help me find affordable rehab, which is nice of them. However, I won't be able to afford my rent, so I think I'm going to sell my stuff and either commit suicide or get arrested and go from there.

>>10353870
Just go from rehab to sober living, silly. Stuff isn't important anyway.

>>10353867
>Caring about calories while your liver is getting fatter and fatter every day.

>>10353881
I do a shitload of cardio and sauna and eat anti-inflammatory foods. Plus I fast pretty frequently.

>>10353888

>i sauna and fast pretty frequently

Welp, you're like the poster child of healthy living.

>>10353872
You're logically correct, but shame is a powerful feeling.

I get to tell my family I relapsed, again. This will be so much fun.

Why can't someone attack me randomly and very violently and give me an excuse to die so I can die without feel guilty? Is this so much to ask for?

Kicking this shitty habit of drinking every weekend to destress from the week.

What have you guys found to replace alcohol? I just need my mind to shut the fuck up and allow me to enjoy video games / movies / internet for a few hours each weekend. Alcohol has been doing that amazingly well but I can't keep fucking up weekend plans because I drank fucking half a handle, and then going into the week with withdrawals.

I tried weed and I think i'll try it again, but the high I get from weed is just not very satisfying at all compared to alc.

>>10351290
>nt and now I'm 28 and she's 29.
muh addiction is federal probs.
Nigger, please.
You can't (i mean shouldn't if you have any sort of self respect) lean on gov bucks forever.
Git gud.
t. 5th of wild turkey per night.

Git
Gud

Faggit

>>10353933
You're getting withdrawals despite only drinking on the weekend?

>>10353922
Sell your shit and hop a flight to africa. Die manning a technical for some warlord or become Col Kurtz. Seeing the people here both makes me want to quit and realize my own drinking isn't all that insane.

>>10353944

3 nights in a row gives withdrawals. Every now and then I binge on Sunday as well as Sunday is usually crazy busy for me and one drink turns into 20.

If I stick to 2 nights no WDs, which I manage to do decently often.

>>10351133
and i cant even get a girl to text me back

>empty stomach
>beers are delicious and I can guzzle them freely
>full
>beers are disgusting and hard to force down

>>10354018
Now try it with wine.

>>10353960
Back when my drug habit was really bad, I tricked my ass out pretty hard. I made pretty fucking good money, from what I could remember to not blow on booze and coke. Only thing I honestly regret was waking up after some old fucker did a job on my asshole and his sperm dripping out my asshole when I went to take a piss/dump early in the morning.

It's not that I haven't learned my lesson, it's just, I guess I hate myself. Somehow I've never picked up and sti or the bug, so I guess I don't have the worst luck in the world.

>>10354025
Whats the difference?

>>10352126
1. put that shit in trash bags
2. take them to a dumpster and put them in it

>>10353933

Nobody has successfully replaced alcohol with something else?

>>10354030
>Only thing I honestly regret was waking up after some old fucker did a job on my asshole and his sperm dripping out my asshole when I went to take a piss/dump early in the morning

can someone vocaroo this

>>10353933

>video games/movies/internet
>weekend plans

Kek. You're never going to kick booze if you just sit in your room looking at a screen in all of your off time. I'm here every day, I should know.

>>10354050
probably weed is your best bet for something that's less harmful.
or actually try to address your addiction and problems and become a healthy individual

>>10354018

Real al/ck/s drink vodka out of practicality.

>>10354058
No bully plz

>>10354030
>Back when my drug habit was really bad, I tricked my ass out pretty hard. I made pretty fucking good money, from what I could remember to not blow on booze and coke. Only thing I honestly regret was waking up after some old fucker did a job on my asshole and his sperm dripping out my asshole when I went to take a piss/dump early in the morning.

>>10351133
Jesus dude, you are going to kill yourself very quickly on that much. Be careful man

>>10354185

Yeah, everything that anon posted sounds just like me, but I only average half a handle of cheap vodka a day and still need to be driven to the liquor store lest I start losing it. Can't imagine doing over a handle a day regularly.

Somehow I got a promotion to a more senior position. There's no way I can handle this extra responsibility and my alcoholism will become more obvious to everyone.

>>10354292
option 1: quit your job
option 2: quit your drinking
hmmm

listening to ASMR video while blackingout
literally better than heroin

>>10354265
Is a handle 1.75 litres? At my very worst I was drinking a 0.7 litre bottle of whisky every day and I genuinely thought I was going to die at the end of it. Tapering down from that was a fucking nightmare, but I managed it somehow. I don't understand how anyone can drink a 1.75 litre bottle every day

>>10351117
Who are you quoting?

>>10354418

>is a handle 1.75 litres

Yeah. I honestly don't understand how anyone can drink that much; at my worst I was doing maybe 2/3 of a handle on my rare "worst" days, and that was when I didn't have a job and drank from the time I got up to whenever I passed out. I think that anon must be a pretty big guy to stomach all that vodka, because I'm completely gone and over the toilet the next day if I even come close to that, even though I don't even wake up hung over drinking half a handle.

>drink a 1.5L bottle of 13% white wine plus most of a second 750ml bottle of red in a few hours
>fall asleep for 12 hours and have vivid dreams about stumbling around the house barely conscious in my underwear while dying from symptoms like bloody saliva and brown urine
>remember asking myself if I'm dreaming and then looking down at my hands and thinking that this is pretty real and I'm not dreaming
>fight sleep paralysis to wake up
>have absolutely no physical hangover symptoms but all day I've had this detached, amnesiac spaced out feeling like I haven't woken up yet and I'm still dreaming
I think I finally found the motivation to cut back

>>10354617
sort of same for me when was having dreams I was driving my truck and couldn't control it. Wasn't dreams.

>>10353653
That's me

>>10353935
Who said I collect any government bucks?

Fuck off, I piss a fifth in the morning before I shower.

750ml a day, lmfao.

Enjoy high school buddy

>>10354185
I want to die, I'm not drinking for my health.


As soon as alcoholism makes noticeable damage to my body/well being (like jaundice, liver failure, or something like that) I'm going to.....Well you know...

>>10351188
>vodka so cheap it comes in plastic bottles

I didn't even know this existed

>>10354617
I have weird fucking dreams when I'm semi sober too man, Shits strange.

Like dreams I'm getting arrested for public intox or dreams I finally go get a blood test and find out I have cancer, or cirrhosis and 2 months to live.

Also sleep paralysis is scary af

Dreams of shit that could actually really happen

>>10354516
Actually I'm not.

6ft, 185-190lbs


Tolerance builds up quick man....

I remember when I was 21 (7 years ago), I could have 4 shots in an hour and I was visibily intoxicated.

Now I have 6-8 shots in the morning before I even shower or take a shit, It's not even something I want to do. I just HAVE to do it or I'm shaking like a leaf and can't even wipe my own ass. Or am worried about having a seizure in the shower and cracking my head on the toilet or floor


Tolerance man...It's real.

>>10354694
What do you do while you are drinking? Just sit at your computer and shitpost / watch tv etc?

Completely blacked out last night for the first time in a while. Still drunk now. It’s nice how when I black out I literally don’t do anything except go to sleep.

>>10354694

>tolerance man...It's real

I'm 5'8" and just hit 200lbs for the first time in my life not long ago, and am not proud of it (it's actually the worst thing about my drinking, especially since I haven't bought new clothes in a year and am pretty sure I look terrible when I go out side - plus it's 90% gut).

Still, I'm 32 and am pretty aware that I've reached my tolerance threshold. I mean, there's no middle ground between waking up with a slight headache and waking up with full blown alcohol poisoning. I can recognize it immediately at this point. I'm also pretty consistent in what I consume, though; it's not like I go out and do a bunch of shots of tequila.

>>10354299
never thought of that, thanks for the input.

>>10354694
Calling bullshit on the handle a day thing. Even the most hardcore al/ck/ies only drink a 750ml a day, a bit more on a bad day. There is a ceiling based on how big you are and how well your organs deal with alcohol for tolerance. If you're fucking Andre the Giant then I could believe a handle a day. But not someone your size.

>>10354650
Enjoy cirrhosis faggot

>>10354655
Lots of cheap liquor of all kinds come in plastic

>>10354760
>Even the most hardcore al/ck/ies only drink a 750ml a day

HAHAHAHAHA!!!

Women constantly keep me entertained. Seriously lol

>>10354760
>>10354760
you don't know what you're talking about

>>10354694
So do you actually fill up a shot glass and drink it seven times or are you using shot glass as a unit of measurement?

>>10354783
>looking down on someone because you're more of a loser than they are

I meet faggots like you in NA and AA looking down on others because the only virtue they believe they have is how much they can handle. Fucking pathetic

>>10354760
>Calling bullshit on the handle a day thing. Even the most hardcore al/ck/ies only drink a 750ml a day, a bit more on a bad day
Bollocks. I'm a relatively moderate alcoholic - and by relatively I mean compared to other alcoholics, not compared to non-drinkers and casual drinkers - and 750ml in a night is completely normal for me. I'm 23, small, and only drink on weekends. Hardcore alcoholics drink a lot more than that, and i have known plenty. I have drank double that myself towards the tail end of a week-long bender (haven't had one of those in years though). You would be surprised how quickly your tolerance increases.

>>10354783
Smirnoffbro, considered to be one of the most far gone al/ck/ies on here, only drank at max 2 750ml bottles a day. Same for Simpsonbro

>>10354787
Agreed, 22 been on a year binge and lately I've been putting down 750ml-1.25 liters some days, wouldn't doubt a career drinker could do it

>>10354795
You gotta remember the world is a much bigger place with much bigger alcoholics that can't afford internet to whine on a message board. Kid.

>>10354795
>Simpsonbro
Did we ever hear what happened to him? He was pretty young as well, poor guy

>>10354806
I fucking grew up in Tennessee in the hills. I don't think I met a sober person until I moved out of that shithole at 19. Even the old timers who had been drinking nonstop since they were 12 didn't drink as much as a handle in a day. And if you can't afford internet you sure as fuck can't afford a handle a day of alcohol, so nice argument there.

>>10354760
>Even the most hardcore al/ck/ies only drink a 750ml a day
I thought this for a while until I went down that path. For context, my aunt died suddenly at 36 from liver related issues and she was on 750ml a day for a good few years. I fell down that rabbit hole too, and 750ml was more than enough if I started drinking at 5 or 6pm until I fell asleep, but if I started in the morning and ate as well I could be a bottle down by 4pm and feel pretty much fine. Another bottle was doable over the evening, and the worst part was I didn't feel THAT hammered. That was my wake up call anyway, thank fuck I am away from that misery

>>10354818
Story?

>>10354821
Did i strike a nerve?

>>10354831
From what I remember he was late 20s / early 30s, drank at least a 70cl bottle of vodka a day and had done for years. Was housesitting for a mate and woke up in hospital, supposedly if his mate hand't come home a day early he would have died. He posted here and shared photos about his recovery, he didn't need a transplant but was never allowed to drink again. He seemed committed to turning his life around, but all of a sudden he stopped posting and that was it. Maybe part of his recovery is avoiding here, maybe he died. Who knows. I remember seeing his photos and they gave me a hell of a wake up call, he is partly why I cut way back from where I used to be

>>10354847
You said something stupid. I refuted it. I guess you're used to people just ignoring you though if you think me replying means you struck a nerve

>2 drunks arguing about who drinks more on a Taiwanese knitting forum
Never change al/ck/

>>10354860
Stay mad, there are people who do it, not sure why it's so hard for you to accept, you hick

I think I have a fiveskin.

>>10354852
Wow, I know reading these threads gives me the urge to drink just as much as it wants to make me not turn back to it
Was he called Simpson bro cause of jaundice? Hope he's okay

>>10354821
Places with a culture of casual daily drinking tend not to contain hardcore alcoholics. I live in the UK, where it definitely isn't normal to drink every single day, and the legit alcoholics go hard as hell.

Having grown up somewhere where getting drunk every day is part of the culture has skewed your view on what an alcoholic actually is.

>>10354874
I'm sure there are people who can down a handle in a 24 hour period. But do down a handle every day for years? No. Just fucking look at >>10354852
Simpsonbro was only doing a 750ml a day and he almost died. Smirnoffbro was doing 1-2 bottles a day and he almost died. As I said before I grew up in hillpeople land where it was common to see people drinking naked on their porch. A handle a day is something that only a massive in size al/ck/ie could do. Not some 6'0 180 pound larper on /ck/

>>10354912
Boom. Roasted.

>>10354912
>Smirnoffbro was doing 1-2 bottles a day and he almost died.
It was a bit worse than that unfortunately. At his very worst here he was on 3-5 for about a week, that landed him in hospital and he nearly died. He was fucked, brain lesions, vision problems, speech problems, the works. I hope he is ok.

>>10353640
Just reformat the drive again.
Anyway, you can get a 500GB SSD for 150$, so not that costly

>>10354961
If you're selling it and it's a laptop fuck it why not just a regular hdd and save the 100 bucks

>>10354760
What.
I'm 5'8 and 190 and I put down 1100-1250ml a day. I believe someone can drink a handle or more daily. In fact i've known a couple guys to do it.

>>10354912
Lol no Smirnoff would drink 2-4 bottles a day.
on top of railing lines of dope.

Where are you getting this information that smaller people cant drink more than a fifth a day?

>>10354852
That guy is in his late 20s? He looks like he is pushing 60 in that pic

Fuck I need to quit drinking

>>10351290
Anon, what you've been through fucking sucks. But the world aint fair. You still have a path, you have someone you could spend your life with.
No matter how hard it is for you, realize that you are throwing it away. I don't mean to say you're the one to blame - but you are and will be the one suffering.
Today could be the first day you drink atleast a little less. Tomorrow could be the day you decide to gather everything you have and seek help. In ten years you could be looking back at the years you drove the darkness away.
I believe in you.

>>10354978
You need to lose some weight

>>10355315
Also, you never know when you last chance is. Right now, if you're reading this, then you still got a chance to turn things around.

What happens 5 minutes from now is an entirely different story. I knew quite a few people who passed up their last chance, I was even there for some of them and saw their goddamn last chance along with them, and they turned it down and went out and got in a car wreck, or fell down the steps, or took the one drink that caused the cancer to finally take over, or whatever.

Alkys always have mindset that they'll change some other time, they never think that there might not be another time. I was lucky because when I decided to quit, I still had a chance. Not everybody can say that.

>>10355315
>>10355388


I sincerely and genuinely appreciate that.

But my life is already over, I'm just waiting to die.

I've tried everything to help my PTSD and try to forget the past, It never helps or goes away.

I've tried just about every psychotropic drug for anxiety and PTSD on earth. There are literally only a few that I never tried because a doctor would not prescribe them to me.

The only thing that keeps me calm, lowers my anxiety, hyper vigilance, depression, paranoia, and lets me sleep...Is alcohol.

I've been drinking heavily daily for many years, It's definitely done damage.

The last time I was at a doctors office was 4 years ago and they said I had severe scarring on my liver. So I don't even want to think about what it looks like now, I have severe pain in my side and back every other day. To the point drinking doesn't even numb it.


It's too late now.

If i was 17 again, I could change it all. But not now

>get black out drunk
>wake up light, TV and PC are on
>see logged into facebook
>oh god what did I post
>shared videos from Asian pages I like with Asians doing retarded things

Everytime I get black out drunk I fear that I go on facebook and spam the word nigger thankfully hasn't happened yet

>>10355465
Got to be honest with you, I felt the same thing before I quit.

I was seriously suicidal, thought my life was collapsing, there was no hope at all for any of my problems.

One reason I was thinking that was because I was injesting a huge amount of alcohol daily, and alcohol is a DEPRESSANT, which tends to really fuck with your head when you consume massive quantities of it.

Once I sobered up, I still had problems yeah, but I realized they were nowhere near as bad as I made them out, they could be dealt with, more than anything it was the alcohol that was fucking with my way of thinking.

I also had health problems in the end of my alcoholism, liver numbers off the chart, insane blood pressure, pancreas and liver hurt all the time. I've been sober for about 2 years now, my numbers are all far below normal readings now.

Not saying everything is going to go right for you if you quit....but just telling you it's possible. You'll never know if you don't, however. If nothing else, wouldn't you like to die with a clean mind at least? be rid of this alcoholic nightmare and at least die in peace? if that's still what you want to do once you quit?

>>10355465

You tried Ketamine? That shit hits the spot on that crap.

>>10355548
No never, Wish I could find it.

I'd try it at very least

>>10355527
I am super racist on youtube when drunk.
You should never write with people you know offline when drunk.

>>10355628
I just watched Disco Apache on a loop

>>10355465
stop reddit spacing

>>10353849
fat fuck

>>10354030
Are you Brandon Novak?

Anyone else get this weird white film on their teeth after a bender? I brushed like 5 times today and the inside of my mouth still tastes awful

>>10351133
>>10351188
>>10351206
>>10351290
>>10351342
>>10354648
>>10354654
>>10354694
>>10355465
Anon, I'm genuinely concerned about you. I got my al/ck problem from being a nuke in the navy, but that's shit compared to what you went through.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9607614
I don't fully buy this, but it can't hurt to try.

Also, Brandon Novak has posted his personal phone number on his youtube vids and reddit AmA's to help people get sober.

Please listen to this guy...>>10355529

>>10356541
I have a cavity that only hurts when i touch it. I am also unemploied so I am kind of scared of going to the dentist and getting assfucked economicaly. 5 years ago I had to pay 140 dollars as an entrance fee for an appontment where the dentist valuated my problem, no treatment. Fuck I was mad after that.

>>10351122
Drink way over your current limit then go beddy buys on your back.

>>10351175
Darknet isn't hard to use man.

>>10351133
You must have a massive dick because no woman comes near me and my booze sweats.

How does one know if they're depressed

>>10356682
Do you feel like you want to kill yourself, and think about it often?

>when you see a guy shit himself in the liquor aisle
I know you're here you big bald fuck.

>>10356705
I once saw a guy break into a full out seizure in the whiskey aisle of a Spec's.

>>10356705
need some more details
how could you tell he shit himself
was it liquidy, solid, dripping down his legs??
what was his faciail expression like? did he flee or pay for his booze and leave calmly?

>>10356625
He wants to dye peacefully from opioids his numbing his neurons.
- Dying of body failure can be nightmare torture.

The middelgound is using inert gas with an exitbag.
>Helium or Argon.

>>10356690
Sometimes, rarely. But lost all motivation and drive, and energy. I just sit around and do nothing all day. I can barely get out of bed

>>10356717
He just bent over a little bit, went red, and a brown stain started coming through his trackies and ran down onto the floor. Guy hobbled off to the loo real quick.

>>10356716
Imagine falling so close yet so far.

>>10353709
update, the drive is officially broken. reformatting it must have caused something to fuck up. my ex lent me money to buy a new one, bless her heart

>>10356518
Nah, just some random dude that figured out anal sex, while under the influence of several drugs, when presented with the opportunity of relatively reasonably cost effective time allocation of being fucked by a complete or innocuous character results in a decent amount of money, concluded that, "hey I'm poor, may as well take the easy way out".

I have really pretty blue eyes and I work out. I also have had a serious drinking problem for a long time.

It's not the best life, but it's my life.

A lot of my johns loved me making them eggs. I make some mean omelets and I made some sick money off half assed soufflés.

>>10356749
sounds about right

What does straight Everclear taste like?

>>10356805
That's a real homie...

>>10356975
exactly like ethanol.

>>10356761
I mean, I just saw him in passing (employees were already helping him out/clearing the aisle) while on the way to the register, but he seemed put together enough. I think he probably just had epilepsy or some shit rather than it being an alky thing.

>>10356975
taste isn't the concern so much as burn. i've had enough 151 to know i'm not fucking with anything north of it.

>>10356909
How do I go about getting a prescription for antidepressants?

>>10357062
Walk into any therapist place and say you're depressed they will shove prescriptions down your gullet for you.

>>10357077
Maybe I should talk to my mom. I don't know any therapists

>>10356975
Just like really strong vodka really. Vodka is actually just watered down everclear, technically.

>>10356975
I did a shot of it and it tastes like rubbing alcohol, burned and numbed my throat for a good 5 or 10 minutes
Actually used to exclusively drink it for about a month then my liver started feeling sore and decided it isn't worth it

>>10357077
If you find a shrink who does that, walk away. I had one of those for a while, really listened to her, tried the drugs and all that, didn't work, so I quit therapy for a long time.

Didn't realize until I found an actually good shrink that good ones rarely push drugs on people, unless you have some actual physiological flaws that you would need them, good ones tend to think of them as a last resort.

Of course....if you walk in saying you're drinking your ass off all day, have no intention of quitting, but magically want to make your life better, they probably will just throw a few pills at you and tell you to go away.

>>10357157
What drugs did you try that didn't work, and how long were you on them?

>drink 80% of a bottle last night and pass out nicely
>drink the last 20 tonight but it's not enough and now I won't feel good or be able to sleep
I need to plan ahead and stop doing this.

>>10357262
why not go get more?

>>10353710
My workplace has one.

>>10357267
local shops are all closed at this time

>>10357238
I don't even remember the names. I was on like 4 or 5 different anti-depressants. Try one, didn't do anything, they tell me to stay on it until it does, never does, then they give me another one. The side effects of those things are fucking incredible, I could never get used to them.

Even when they were supposedly working, they just made me feel numb, not happy or anything. It just felt like mental novocaine i guess. I felt like a fucking zombie the entire time. I was on them for about a year, funny thing is I don't really remember that much about that year, and what I do remember I didn't seem like myself at all.

save me im getting beer gut

>>10357378
switch to spirits

>>10357315
Hmm maybe i should just not use them then. I just want to feel the way i used to. And I don't know how.

>>10357392
2spooky4me

>>10351848
No one gives a shit how it fucking reads to you you absolute piece of shit faggot. Stay out and hide or filter the thread if it bothers you, holy shit. No one fucking cares about you.

>father, brother and independant plumber coming tomorrow to fix the pipes of my student room I probably fucked up by myself.

I will face the worst humiliation in my life. I have dozens of empty whisky bottles filled with piss and no way to throw them out.

>>10351933
I've been to AA in different places for a long time. It doesn't help you at all to quit unless you can really latch onto the group and think it matters. I mean I was trying to quit those times, but the reality is I didn't want to myself and that's why I didn't.
AA isn't help. It's only help if you have the pathology for it and I don't have that pathology. It's never wrong to try it.

>>10357394
>I just want to feel the way i used to
You can't.

>>10357448
*It's never wrong to try it though.
I'm getting drunk.

>>10357437
dump out of window at night

>>10357437
Use your critical thinking skills to solve your problem.

>>10357437
I'm guessing by no way, you mean you can't stop being stinking drunk long enough to figure out a solution to a very easy problem?

>>10357437
do you have a closet or any sort of space that you could relocate your piss bottles too that would be out of their line of sight? It probably smells like piss and irredeemably so, but you can at least make sure you don't suffer further humiliation by ensuring they are out of the area where the repairs will be done.

>>10357448
It can help people, that doesn't mean it will however. I guess you do have to have a pretty special makeup to fit in.

I went to it for about a year, was sober during that time and have stayed sober since, but I didn't really feel like AA had much to do with my sobriety.

I left because ultimately it got to the point where I just couldn't trust any of those fucks, I can't count how many times I'd listen to somebody's lead and really feel like they were speaking to me, then hours later I'd be driving and see them walking out of a bar.

It's like a big dysfunctional, toxic family. Most everyone is just lying to each other, they relapse all the damn time, some of the "old timers" i'm almost positive never actually quit drinking in the first place. It gets fucking weird in there man...

>>10357150
>my liver started feeling sore
What does that feel like? Abdominal pains?

>>10357604
Not him, but after drinking for so long my liver would feel like it was burnt. Like...sunburn inside you. Actually most everything in my digestion would feel that way too.

Then towards the end, you'd get that really deep liver pain. Like...a deep throbbing ache, I dunno, no other pain feels quite like that deep liver pain.

>>10357604
Before your liver goes to absolute shit, liver pain is just an ache on the left side of your belly.

>>10357638
liver's on the right bucko

>drank a mickey + tall cans every night for like 3 years straight.
>didnt ever once feel liver pains

>>10357728
and? 3 years isn't that long. Probably took about 7 before I did.

>>10357728
I feel like I've only ever noticed it with liquor, I'm at the end of my 7 month binge which I started with drinking 4-8 tallboy of steel reserve then the last 3 months ive been drinking anywhere from 500-1000ml of vodka day and I'm just stating to feel a tenderness by my liver, If I push down on my pancreas it kinda hurts too

>>10357754
I never try to help someone on 4chan but:
You
Do
Not
Want
Pancreatitis

>>10357778
I had it for quite a while when I was drinking, 10 years maybe?

Didn't go away until about maybe a year and a half of not drinking. Still feels a little weird, I dunno.

>>10357778
Is it possible to get it this quick?
I had another stint when I was 19 for 8 months and I was downing about 3/4 liter of whiskey a day and at the end I was drinking everclear
>>10357150
I'm this guy btw

>>10357795
>>10357778
My last binge was 2 years ago btw, actually ended it in March, same time I'm trying to end this one too

>>10357737
yeah took me 6 years

>>10357795
Huh

>>10357795
everyone's physiology is different, m8

>>10357665
The bulk of it is, but a smaller more vulnerable portion proceeds to the left. The pain will tend to start on the left and proceed to the right as the condition gets worse.

>>10357778
i had it one time, pancreas was hurting like normal and i bent over to pick something up and it felt like something popped inside me, absolute worst pain i've ever felt in my life
i managed to make it to my couch and lie down, stayed there for about five days
i was in all actual seriousness considering just urinating on myself and my couch because getting up to use the restroom was so incredibly painful
also if i wanted to move my left arm i had to pick it up with the right one. it wouldn't work.
not fun times

>>10358007
Didn't go to ER for that?
Not sure if stupid or hardcore.
My appendix popped and it's a good thing I went immediately.

>>10357778
some guy I know used to drink a while liter of whisky everyday for +10 years
he got pancreatitis and now he can't drink nor eat fats anymore
shit must be hell, imagine being him and some guy comes around with a cold pack and a box of spicy fried chicken

>>10358048
no insurance, didn't care whether i died or not.
i was considering calling for an ambulance just for the sheer pain though.

>>10351117
Being a bartender has tripled the amount of alcohol I consume every day, at the rate I'm going it's all going to be over soon and I embrace it

I came here looking for people that love alcohol, and all I found was people using it to kill themselves.
Pretty fucking dissapointed my men

>>10358103
I can't speak for the rest of these mutants but I love alcohol. It's intent to kill me is coincidental.

>>10358103
made me laugh pretty hard, thanks for the chuckle man

>>10358103
we love alcohol my dude, that's why we are killing ourselves with it

Any of you work as Bartenders? I quit from my job a week ago since it was way too intense lately for me to handle without drinking myself into sleep every night

>>10357378
>falling for the beer meme
You do realize that shit has a fuckton of estrogen in it, right?

shit, this thread makes me sad.

>>10358153
was your job bartending?

>>10358221
Yes, there was some nights where it would get crazy and I would serve drinks for 160 customers alone throughout the entire night and it was at an insane pace, I needed to drink something to be able to sleep

>>10358233
but dem tips, amirite?

>>10358240
Yes the sweet tips were great, sad that I would waste all of them drinking Gin Tonic once I got out of work, that was the only way to calm myself after a night like that, otherwise I would be lying on my bed thinking about orders coming in without being able to sleep

>>10358250
sounds like you made the right choice. i'm considering getting my bartender's license. i know it will only feed my alcoholism, but on the other hand, it will feed my alcoholism

>>10358289
Yeah, get ready to suffer some stress if you end up working as one.
Especially if you have a big ass selection of cocktails in the bar, use your head and try to make the process as fast and easy as possible, because you will repeat it a lot.
And once you become a bartender you will be looking for new ways to drink the same beverages and get creative, that's another positive

>>10358250
the working pace in the food/alcohol industry is pretty frenetic man
I used to be a waiter back in the time, and man, Sundays were a damn hell for everyone working, the waiters, the cashier, the boss, the cookers, the dishwasher, everyone running around doing three things at once while keeping a cool face for the costumers

What do you guys think about SAD
Seasonal Affective Disorder

I used to think it's bullshit, but my feelings for the last half year seem to fall right into place with it. Nothing has really changed in my life, yet I stopped working out in October. And now that the sun is around for more than few hours, I have such an urge to go do things and go back to the gym.

>>10358316
Yeah it gets pretty fucking crazy sometimes, d
especially when everything has to get out perfectly, and fast. Thank fuck I stopped doing it, it was getting way too heavy to endure, I was working almost every single day and fuck, the last weeks I was only sleeping from 2 to 3 hours per night

It's definitely a thing. Also the holidays can be a very lonely time for people as well

>>10357620
Not an alkie, but got hepatitis and my liver has been in not-so-stellar condition ever since. When I drink, I can feel a numb pain in my right side, but it's even more intense when I eat something greasy. Maybe it's not liver itself, but my gallbladder...

what's the worst morning after text you've seen that you don't remember sending

any other bipolar people here?

>>10358402
I asked a girl out that I knew in highschool.
I drunkenly said some shit like "I always had a crush on you"
She accepted. We agreed on a date
Then she stood me up and ghosted me.

I don't message anyone when I'm drunk anymore.

Who drink only when they get angry. Lost in my video game and bought a 12 pack of busch ice

>>10358316
very true in my extremely limited experience. i've worked in tech (obviously chill) and retail (relatively chill). i spent one day working at a local pizza place when i was younger, a friday, and i was absolutely fried afterwards. wiped the fuck out. decided to nope out of the food industry at that point, no regrets with that decision

>>10358402
I asked a girl i liked in high school to have sex with me when i was slightly drunk to appear really drunk to see if she would take advantage of me. Well when I woke up after actually being drunk she replied telling me I needed to get help or she couldn't be my friend anymore

I'm not that awkward anymore

>>10358436
I got rid of that kind of anger in my early 20s
I was playing Street Fighter 2 HD. Never played a SF game before. Didn't even know to hold back to block.
I lost 100 games for ever 1 I won.
I got so fucking mad.

But then like, I had an epiphany. Being mad didn't make me lose any less. Being mad only made me feel bad.

Now I don't feel that kind of anger any more

>>10358436
cannot relate. i drink when i'm happy, sad, angry, anxious, etc. i drink when it's sunny, when it's rainy, cloudy, stormy. everything is an excuse to drink for me.

>>10358436
I'm going to drink tomorrow when i inevitably fail an exam i haven't studied for. my grades are in the shitter

>>10358333
i have the opposite of that, when its sunny out i get pissed
>>10358427
sounds like a cunt. This ghosting/flaking epidemic is getting way the fuck out of hand, it's the default now. It's like they have a negative amount of loyalty. They have infinitely more loyalty to their dog than to you

srs question: is there a nutritional benefit to cider for alchies who lack food intake altogether? i know it's simple sugar, but that's better than just beer, right?

>>10358488
there are worse things in life than failing a single class. it sucks when it happens, but there's redemption. i failed all of my classes one quarter and proceeded dropped out. don't be like me. focus on doing well in your other classes, and if you fail a class due to some shit tests, well fuck, just take it again if you need to.

>>10358518
>and proceeded dropped out
lel classic

*proceeded to drop out

coming down from adderall (not much) and alcohol at the same time. i feel like absolute shit. about to go buy more beer and some food to try to ride this shit out. i guess this is the price i pay.

st-stop harming yourself anon

>>10358623
Jack off and then go to sleep
You'll feel better about not spending money while high in the morning

>>10358530
Oh come off it man, he's probably had a few too many

>>10358641
lol, if only it were so easy. i've had insomnia issues since adolescence and am basically guaranteed no sleep for ~8-10 hours after i take IR addy. i could drink a handle and it wouldn't put me to sleep.

the main issue is this fucking headache, though. feels like a clamp around my skull.

>>10358672
>drinks
>takes amphetamines
>has trouble sleeping
WOW
WHAT A SURPRISE

>>10358709
yes, it is blatantly obvious that my drug and alcohol use doesn't help my sleep. hence

>i guess this is the price i pay.

i don't know what you're trying to do here besides shit on me for being a drug-addled addict. which is ok, but you're probably in the wrong place for that.

>>10358729
I'm trying to shame you mate
This is what we do here.
We support but push us out of our shit habits.
Or at least this is what we pretend to do

Do you want to talk about why you take a double load of drugs?
I'm all ears.

I'm glad i haven't drunk texted or called anyone since middle school. I learned my lesson early on

NEW THREAD

>>10358811


NEW THREAD

>>10358811

People keep asking me about beer. I'm just gonna come out and say it you know PBR is the best cheap beer!

>>10358752
i've only taken a total of 10mg throughout the day, 5mg in the morning, 5mg at around 5 PM. i had to get up early and chose to take the remaining 5mg to help with the comedown of the initial dose.

>>10358761
>tfw no one to text

>>10358821
used to love PBR, but it's hard for me now. reminds me of rainier. loved it as a kid, but it tastes too sweet and swilly for me these days

>>10351306
What did he mean by this?

>>10351342
>I quit going and just use alcohol
I respect that, but at the same time I don't

>>10355555
Fucking checked. You could try DXM instead, over the counter, same dissociative effect.

>>10359034
>dxm
>otc
>dissociative

tell me more (and no, I'm using data and googling it would use a shit load of it)
not him btw

best cheap white wine?

yellow tail is gross

keep it under 7USD

>>10355548
GHB > ket desu

New thread?

>>10359926

scroll up m8

>>10359034
i wanna try dxm, but i can't find dxm on its lonesome anywhere around me. always mixed with guaifenesin and ibuprofen.