/ck/ - Food & Cooking

so their master plan is to take a rewards program that got you a 6 inch sub after spending $50
and now making it so you need to spend $100
and that's going to win customers back?

lemme tell you, we just had a jersey mikes open up last week and holy fug, I'm not surprised subway is going out of business when stuff like that is their competition
they have really achieved the pinnacle of the art form when it comes to cheese steaks
that big kahuna was a perspective changing experience on how good a fast food item can be

>>10186492
>that big kahuna was a perspective changing experience on how good a fast food item can be
I'm no fan of Subway but holy shit could you shill any harder?

>>10186500
Yeah, fuck him for wanting to share his experience

>>10186500
are you trying to deny it's a great sandwich?
I've been getting regular sized ones all week because I have a bunch of grand opening coupons

is this fallout because of pedo Jarrod?

>>10186524
I don't eat fast food

>>10186541
Why are you so weird, anon?

>>10186541
lets play a little devils nutsack here for a moment

do you ever get a sandwich from a deli, where they slice the meat right there in front of you and build your sandwich out of fresh ingredients?

if yes; if that same exact process took place in a chain rather than a single family operated deli would you not eat there?

if you would not eat there; why?
more specifically. Why does a chain bother you when they often have a better product than family operated places?

>>10186535
Doubtful. I think most people have forgotten that incidence and many don't even know about it.

They need to try advertising outside of cable TV and improving their terrible bread and soggy vegetables. I'll pay an extra 2 dollars for premium sandwich with one more slice of cheese and some bread and vegetables that don't suck. Make 4 good breads instead of 8 crappy ones.

>>10186570
I know that my local deli serves actual meat.

>>10186587
doubtful most delis are run by jews.

>>10186587
Yes, as opposed to the cellulose/fibre mixture sold at subway

>>10186535
>is this fallout because of pedo Jarrod?

My mom is a multi-franchise owner.

What killed subway was that their "5 dollar footlong" jingle was so successful, that people just associated subway with $5 and refused to pay anything more for the subs. And at $5, we were barely breaking even. That hurt the franchisees badly.

And now, when we try to charge $7 or $8 for the same sandwich, customers balk and leave. They think "for $7, I can get superior Togos or Jersey Mikes or etc, and not bottom tier subway."

Subway is a great case study on how a major advertising campaign and discount can hurt market share in the long run and create warped customer expectations.

Subway should probably stop using the ass end of meats and not shit tier bread.

>>10186602
they still have 5 dollar footlongs at my local franchise.

>>10186602

That and the fact that news outlets revealed that no matter what meat you order at subway, it's made of turkey.

And Jared didn't help... lol

>>10186602
Cry more.

>>10186608
>they still have 5 dollar footlongs at my local franchise.

Probably outside of cali. Over here, $5 footlongs are a loss leader. It's not great when your main product is your loss leader. lol

>>10186612

How am I crying? Subway food sucks and they deserve to go under.

Or does me explaining some basic facts trigger you somehow?

>he doesn't have local delis everywhere

>>10186625
>it costs more than 5 bucks to make a deli sandwich
they were making profit anon.

>>10186634
And your mother is a whore.

>>10186637
>go to deli
>order a breakfast sandwich and coffee
>hand me an empty cup and points at a coffee pot over to the side
motherfucker if I wanted to make my own coffee I would have done it at home!

>>10186474
How to save Subway:

1. Stop selling franchises to poo in the loo Indians.
2. Actually stock fresh produce and meat that isn't turkey by-product
3. you can't do #2 because you've locked yourself into into a $5 price with your stupid $5 footlong program

>>10186602
I agree with this. Something funny I've found is that while they offer a mixed salad, it's cheaper to just get a standard veggie sandwich and cram it full as much of the same plant-based toppings as you want then eat it with a fork (treating it like you got 2 bread-sticks on the side).

Maybe they should just bring these back.

>>10186638
> labor is free
> utilities are free
> rent is cheap as fuck in California
> franchisees don't need to pay their franchisors

Being such a savvy business man, you should start your own restaurant.

remember jared?

>>10186637
>only deli near me is vegan

>>10186682
>Maybe they should just bring these back.

I think the only way they can save Subway is to kill off about 1/3 of the franchises. We have 3 subways within 2 minutes of my office and none of them are ever busy.

>>10186701
>vegan deli

>>10186535
No, it’s because you can get a better product for a similar price anywhere else

>>10186688
No, you dolt. it' was inflation.
The 5 dollar footlong program was 10 years ago; it would cut into the margins if they did it now.
They were slim margins but the margins were there.

>>10186587
Except you actually don't.

How about... how about they get meat that actually tastes good?

>>10186726
>The 5 dollar footlong program was 10 years ago

Might want to get your facts straight first...

> Subway $5 footlong returns, angering franchisees - 1/2/2018

http://www.businessinsider.com/subway-5-footlong-returns-2018-1

>>10186742
It's no better or worse than any other shit chain deli.

>>10186745
It started in 2009 you dumb fuck.

>>10186752
> it would cut into the margins if they did it now.

You're just triggered because OP exposed your ignorance. lol

>>10186760
Read the fucking article. It is a loss leader in some locations (ie cali) , but isn't in others.
Basically shitty state minimum wage laws are making the sandwiches too expensive in shithole 15/hr states.

>>10186474
>With the revamp, customers can earn $4, roughly enough for a 6-inch sub and drink, after spending $100. Along the way, they will also receive “surprise” rewards such as cookies, chips and possibly sandwiches, Ganelli said. Before, they needed to spend $50 to get a 6-inch sandwich.

Wait, I'm really confused. So they're making it worse by making you need to spend twice as much to get less money?

>>10186597

I too doubt that most delis are run by jews.

>>10186746
But it is worse, and their cookies taste of ham.

>>10186706
I've also noticed this. Not sure if they're clueless or shameless about oversaturating their markets. They are one of the less expensive franchises out there, though, so I wouldn't put it past them to cannibalize some of their footprint if it meant total domination.

>>10186790
if it isn't run by a jew then you're getting a shit corned beef.

>>10186760
>> it would cut into the margins if they did it now.
literally says that in the article.

>>10186570
Because Subway looks and tastes like filth, and costs far more than it's worth.

>>10186816
He was describing Jersey Mike's.

>>10186474
>customers can earn $4, roughly enough for a 6-inch sub and drink, after spending $100
Lol fuck off

>>10186832
>you have to buy 150 subs to get one sub for """"free"""" including sales tax

>>10186638
Not how business works young one

>>10186871
>calls others young
>posts cartoons when trying to make a point.

>>10186871
if taking care of all those factors is so stressful, why doesn't he simply swap with the guy in the first pic?

>>10186877
>Political comic
Sorry is the text at the bottom too long to read or too hard to comprehend?

>>10186602
I worked at Burger King HQ and this was a big issue with the Whopper Wednesday. When your business revolves around how cheap your product is, people will see it as cheap, even if they are selling at cost or at a loss.

It also doesn't help that in Subways case, without the sale, you can get a better sub elsewhere for the same price. Subway needs to have something unique to standout.

>>10186866
>150 subs cost $100 dollars
>a sub at subway costs 67 cents
brainlet_wojak.jfif

>>10186871
Nice kike propaganda, shlomo.

>>10186474
Mfw your selling food people can make at home easy and you complain about sales
XD

>>10186888
Oh yeah, thought it was 100 subs not $. Spending $150 for enough to cover one """""free""""" sub with sales tax is still goofy tho.

>>10186882
Some people feel the risk is worth making it big. Most of us don't, the vast majority of restaurants fail and we'd rather take a sure bet.

Subway is fucking garbage, especially in SoCal, where I can take the $8 I would spend on a footlong for an actual hot meal

I had a breakfast sandwich with eggs and ham from Subway and it gave me a headache. The eggs were precooked, frozen and thawed. It tasted and felt like play dough

>>10186638
>were
There's this thing called inflation, anon. 5 dollars when it started in 08 is equivalent to 5.68 today. And that's assuming that not a single cost has increased in the meantime too.

>>10186938
>And that's assuming that not a single cost has increased in the meantime too.
Minimum wage in cali has increased ~40% since then.

>>10186884
You wish, airhead

>>10186474
>>10186602
This goes hand in hand with this post, but one other problem Subway has is that the franchise owners have no say in advertising and Subway corporate releases other brain-dead "deals" like National Sandwich Day. I used to manage one and we were hemorrhaging money by basically giving away free food. We ran out of bread constantly, we couldn't physically bake enough to meet the demand even though I made more than twice what we actually needed before lunch. The franchise owners can opt out of that nonsense but then you piss off hundreds and hundreds of potential future customers. But on the other hand most of the people who take advantage of those deals only come in when they have them. The food costs are just too high (meat, cheese and olives being astronomical at times) and as you said most people just aren't willing to pay the same price for the bottom-tier subs compared to Jimmy Johns, Firehouse Subs, Jersey Mike's, etc . It's a lose-lose for the owner.

>>10187219
>I made more than twice what we actually needed
Meant to say I made more than twice what we usually do. They also over-expanded and you can't throw a rock without hitting a fucking Subway which is another problem they have.

its the same kind of shit we see in many businesses
it's a real suckers move to become a franchisee most of the time, corporate makes their money off of you with no risk to themselves, they don't care if you are successful or not

I work at I love kickboxing and its the same shit at the studio. Corporate raised the prices from $125 a month to $165 a month this year which priced us way out of the market
went from 2-5 sign ups a day to we are lucky to see 2 in a week since the year began
corporate doesn't give a fuck though, they make 100% of the money people pay for groupons to come take class for the first time
then we pay out of pocket to give them boxing gloves for "free" with their introductory class
if they don't sign up with us after their groupon class we gained nothing from them coming to see us
we essentially lose $20 every time someone new walks through the door and doesn't sign up while corporate made $50

this type of shit is probably similar to how subway is handling it which is why they are all going belly up
it's not a sustainable way to run a business

>>10186934
>Subway is fucking garbage
You could have just stopped right there

My local Subway gives you two cookies when you order them, still, it's better to eat a sub either at Firehouse Subs or El Meson Sandwiches. Subway's oven "roasted" chicken taste like watery cardboard, no idea why it has become so popular.

I work at Subway and feel bad for people that eat there

There are a lot more sandwich chains now and they're all leagues better.

>>10187219
>The food costs are just too high (meat, cheese and olives being astronomical at times) and as you said most people just aren't willing to pay the same price for the bottom-tier subs compared to Jimmy Johns, Firehouse Subs, Jersey Mike's, etc . It's a lose-lose for the owner.
I'd also say that they're hurt by the advent of upscale "grocerants" that have a good deli and bakery.

>>10187249
>Subway's oven "roasted" chicken taste like watery cardboard, no idea why it has become so popular.
Yeah...about that:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xd3Trr8Xrdc
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/03/01/517920680/dna-tests-find-subway-chicken-only-50-percent-meat-canadian-media-reports
>The tests were conducted by a DNA researcher at Trent University's Wildlife Forensic DNA Laboratory, for a CBC Marketplace episode dedicated to testing fast-food chicken dishes, and have not been independently confirmed.

>the show found that dishes from McDonald's, Wendy's, A&W and Tim Horton's restaurants in Canada came in at 80 percent and 90 percent chicken DNA. (The meat was tested without any sauce or condiment, but seasoning and marinating would keep any chicken down from a pure 100 percent result, the CBC notes.)

>But Subway's dishes were an outlier. "The oven roasted chicken scored 53.6 per cent chicken DNA, and the chicken strips were found to have just 42.8 per cent chicken DNA," the CBC reports. "The majority of the remaining DNA? Soy."

Subway actually issued their own press release in response with their own sponsored lab results:
http://www.subway.com/en-us/menunutrition/nutrition/realchicken

>>10187236
You can kiss my ass

Northeast U.S. fag reporting in, we have wawa, sheetz and many other local franchises that blow subway out of the water in every way possible, they have no chance around here.
I havent eaten at a subway ever. My family tried to go to one in PA while on a road trip because it was central pa and their was nothing around. When my family entered there was an indian man with a large mustache mopping the floor with the foulest smelling water I have ever smelled in my entire life. My family immediatly started gagging and we ran out. The old indian manager chased after us and promised a 50% discount but we jumped in our vehicle and my dad told him to go fuck himself.

>>10187557
The rotisserie chicken isn't that bad. It's just about the only thing I'll order from there on the very rare occasion I get Subway even though there's one on my block.

i always get a hardy chuckle out of "subway" fans.

Its like being a Mcdonalds fan.

Your basic bitch tier.

>>10187502
Pub subs are 10x better than anything at Shitway.

>>10186474
cheaper to buy your own stuff and spend 2 minutes making a sandwich

>people are arguing that some of the lowest tier meat spear headed by one of the lowest quality food restaurants wasn't profitable enough to exist.

When your bread is made with petro filler.
When your meat is "All Turkey".

You don't turn around and say we want 30-40% more for our death sandwhich.

Because your competitors sell higher quality products then you.

And people can get more bang for there buck at tacobell and mcdonalds...

I'm sorry your entire business model is shit. All your customers probable started dieing off and now all millennials want to eat are avocado toast and tacos.

Can someone explain to me how a 6" sandwich can cost subway $5 to make? The bread probably costs a whopping 12 cents to make, lettuce is cheap, that processed cheese is inexpensive, the meat is kinda low quality, refrigeration probably costs the most out of everything in the sandwich. Its always a mexican or indian making it for minimum wage.

Seriously, if I make a similar sandwich at home, its $2

>>10187846
I mean, it really isn't even a matter of cost.

If you really like submarine sandwiches you can buy higher quality meats and cheeses sliced by the pound at your grocer deli and then make them ahead for 1-2 weeks' worth of lunch meals so you end up saving money per sandwich serving. You could even prep some poolish/biga boules over the weekend and have freshly home baked bread to slice off daily during the week (flour and instant yeast are literally pennies/oz) since most of the "work" is just proofing that can be done overnight ahead and there are many no-knead recipes online.

I know there is conveyance at play here, but overall what are mostly plain cold-cuts (not even toasted) just doesn't seem that specialized to me. If there were exotic topping options or they were barbecue sandwiches it'd be a different story.

>>10187920
From what I understand most of any franchise's costs stem from fixed costs like utilities, insurance, and most of all rent.

>>10186535
No. It's because their sammiches suck

>>10186646
do you happen to be subway's ceo fred deluca

>>10186474
>customers can earn $4, roughly enough for a 6-inch sub and drink, after spending $100
Wow such loyalty

>>10187557
>http://www.subway.com/en-us/menunutrition/nutrition/realchicken
>Our Oven Roasted Chicken and chicken strips are made from 100 percent all white meat chicken. The chicken is mixed with spices, seasoning and marinade then cooked and seared to perfection. When we add spices and seasoning to the marinade, we also add – in some regions – dried soy protein, like a spice. When the chicken and marinade are all mixed together, our chicken contains 1% or less of soy protein.

>After the chicken is marinated and cooked, a finished chicken patty or strip still contains a small percentage of the marinade ingredients, which help keeps the chicken moist and flavorful.

>>10187959
Buy my sandwiches

>>10186535
>is this fallout because of pedo Jarrod?
No, nobody cared about that. It's not like he was going around to each Subway location and sticking flash drives with underage porn in your sandwiches. It's this:
>>10186602
>Subway is a great case study on how a major advertising campaign and discount can hurt market share in the long run and create warped customer expectations.
Yeah, whoever came up with that jingle / gimmick should've realized even modest amounts of inflation would eventually make any absolute dollar amount not be sustainable indefinitely.

>>10187557

So what's the other 50% of the chicken? Textured Soy Protein?

I mean I'm not surprised, everything at subway is disappointing unless you're dumping a small fortune on a steak and cheese. The meatball sub is good but I can't trust farts after I eat one for a while

why should I feel bad for any asshat that becomes a franchisee of a fucking sandwich shop
like, go buy a slicer and cold cuts
there is literally nothing special about any sandwich chain, these people don't make money because they don't have a brain.

Maybe you should improve your product nerds.

>>10188068
>So what's the other 50% of the chicken?
How did you manage to read that post without reading it?
>>10187557
>But Subway's dishes were an outlier. "The oven roasted chicken scored 53.6 per cent chicken DNA, and the chicken strips were found to have just 42.8 per cent chicken DNA," the CBC reports. "The majority of the remaining DNA? Soy."
>The majority of the remaining DNA? Soy.
>Soy

>>10188109
>there is literally nothing special about any sandwich chain
I'm pretty sure you will get more business if your sandwich store belongs to a well known franchise vs. if you just stick a sign that says "Craig's Franchise Unaffiliated Sandwich Shop" on a random building.
Not that I would do either of those two things personally, but it's ridiculous to suggest there's no benefit to using an already well known brand name.

>>10186474
Dear Subway: YOUR BREAD IS SHIT

Plz pay me a $30K consultancy fee.

>>10187751
that's kinda sad.

Btw wawa is based, I tried it for the first time when I went back to Philly last summer

>>10188313
Maybe in rural areas or deep in suburbia, but in any decently sized city people are going to prefer a neighborhood deli to a chain sandwich shop.

>>10188313

this goes back to the $5 foot long and subway being to incompetent and greedy to survive vs natural competition.

The only reason people eat at shitty franchise resturants is for promos and deals, fast food.

so if their price is almost at the same as a local place theres no point anymore too them.

>>10188357
>Maybe in rural areas or deep in suburbia, but in any decently sized city people are going to prefer a neighborhood deli to a chain sandwich shop.
I've never lived in a rural area and I know that's not true for cities in New Jersey, Massachusetts, Arizona (Tempe / Phoenix), Texas (Dallas, Fort Worth, Houston, Austin).
At absolute best to salvage your claim as partially true I could agree that there exist specific outlier local shops that are exceptions to the rule and do well for themselves, but if you had to bet your life savings on which of two randomly selected stores, one an instance of a major franchise and the other a mom and pop shop, was making more money in a given year bull fucking shit would you put your money on the random mom and pop shop.

>>10188313
stop being a cunt, I did not say there was no benefit, I said they are all nothing special.
Because its just fucking sandwiches.
If you have the kind of cash to pay franchise fees, you can go your own way and put that obscene money towards your own sandwich shop gimmicks, and not have to bend to the will of whatever's board of directors.
PS, I know plenty of very successful, independent sub shops. The key is to have a good product, weird.

>>10188394
Have you been in a city in the last 10 years? Local is king.

>>10188374
>The only reason people eat at shitty franchise resturants is for promos and deals, fast food.
That's not true either. People eat at franchise restaurants because you know what you're getting.
Subway isn't some amazing gourmet experience, but you don't need to wonder whether you'll be served something great or something terrible. You'll know exactly what to expect pretty much anywhere in the country when you walk into one of those places. That's by far the most attractive element to franchises. Same thing with Coca-Cola vs. buying some random unknown soda a guy mixed himself. You might not love Coca-Cola, but most everyone knows what a Coca-Cola is going to be like and most everyone is OK with it, hence most everyone drinks them all the time. There might very well be much better sodas a random guy could mix on his own but why would you want to go around trying random amateur hour sodas when you could just buy the already infinitely more established overwhelmingly dominant name brand best seller?

>>10188414
I've lived nowhere but cities my entire life from early childhood through my 30s. Just because you and your friends have some local dive you all love doesn't mean franchises aren't overall ridiculously more successful than mom and pop shops.

>>10188440
you keep saying mom and pop like chef driven, 'farm to table' hasn't been a thing for like, a decade now
this is just absurd

>>10188440
Which cities?

>>10188057
>It's not like he was going around to each Subway location and sticking flash drives with underage porn in your sandwiches.


with that kind of promo they could have counted on the 4chan vote

>>10188415
>dominant name brand best seller?
Idk, maybe because when you are near a subway the overpowering stench of their bread baking smells like a yeast infection mixed with some chemical surfactants that make me retch and gag? Real bread smells heavenly when it's baking (real estate agents recommend baking a loaf prior to showing a house)

t. home bread baker

what is more important to you
same day baked bread
or
same day cooked/sliced meat

>>10188501
>chef driven, 'farm to table'
Are you even saying anything here or just using buzzwords?
What restaurant isn't "chef driven?" Do non-chefs normally come up with the plan for which foods to prepare and how to prepare them and then show chefs how to do their own job?
And what does "farm to table" have to do with anything? Are mom and pop shops required to use middlemen for their ingredients?
???

I just checked the loyalty program for Mr. Sub. Seems they got rid of their stamp card (with no expiry, IIRC) and instead have this weird electronic "rewards" card with points that expire.

>>10188845
>Do non-chefs normally come up with the plan for which foods to prepare and how to prepare them and then show chefs how to do their own job
Yes, they're called chain restaurants.

>>10188863
http://www.slate.com/articles/video/food/2013/07/subway_executive_chef_interview_the_science_behind_the_sandwiches_video.html

There is nothing worth eating at Subway. It's a cheap franchise that plays on the fact that people are stupid and lazy.

You can get a loaf of bread, deli meat, vegetables, and condiments of choice and make multiple sandwiches for much cheaper.

>>10188863
>>10188894
Find me a chain that doesn't have a chef making decisions, you literally cannot. Even McDonalds has a chef.

>>10186535
Doubt it. Subway has reached new lows this decade in terms of shit product and they've found the resistance point of customers. Also they franchised so aggressively and expanded to breakfast so they were bound to lose out on average sales person hour. Sucks for them too because pivoting to higher quality ingredients will be harder than it would for a newcomer, they have built in logistics and expectations around shit food "product".

I expect them to fuck off and die namelessly. Good thing to because keto/paleo/grain free is on the rise and it ain't going back ever again. We're going to look back at the age of pounding grains and processed shit deli meat and think what savages we all were.

>>10188894
>implying he doesn't have to answer to executives, marketers, and other stuffed shirt dirtbags

>>10186535
No, it's because Subway gives you expensive small portions and advertises itself on being 'good' for you when it's just a damn baguette.

>>10188904
>Good thing to because keto/paleo/grain free is on the rise
They survived atkins they will survive other fad diets.

>>10188906
Why would any chain bother spending the exorbitant amount of money required to keep an executive chef on salary if they're just going to come up with all the food decisions themselves?
They wouldn't, that's why.

Why does Subway discontinue everything they make that you couldn't get much cheaper/better anywhere else, like the Flatizza? Sure, it wasn't great, but it was unique.

>>10188954
>Why does [restaurant] discontinue X
Because it wasn't profitable.

>>10186474
If they installed automated kiosks at more stores I would start going just because it saves me some hassle of ordering

>he eats bread

>>10188845
Most restaurants are not chef driven, they follow a formula and stick to it. There's a guy in charge, he does ordering and the yelling and the scheduling, but they arent, you know, chef, except to normies maybe.
Plenty of independent places follow the same formula too. I know, because I've worked for both.

Buddy I'm not even really sure what you're trying to argue here, I think its just for arguments sake?
I think you're trying to defend franchises, and I'm not really sure why. They are all garbage. Their has been a real shift in the way people eat out, away from the chains, and the trend has been towards exactly what I brought up, very different from the 'mom and pop' greasy spoon deal.

In short, I don't think you really have a solid grasp on this subject.

Funny that their sales sunk in 2016 - it was the year I ate the most subway.

>>10188845
buddy I'm not sure what you are arguing for, I think maybe just to argue. Chain restaurants are terrible, what are you defending?
I actually work in this industry and not as some salty little microwave munchkin at ruby Tuesdays either. There are real changes in the ways Americans eat out happening right now, and it doesn't involve franchise food in the slightest.

>>10189063
>>10189095
damn you moot you fucked me twice

>>10188936
So they can say they have an executive chef. If you think any one employee who isn't a high level executive in a large corporation has as much decision making power as a chef in an actual restaurant, you're delusional.

>>10186535
No it's because

>come out big with 5 dollar foot longs to build a name
>make franchising easy as pissing
>Indians and others open them up everywhere to try and import their families over
>subways EVERYWHERE NOW
>cut quality to keep deals going
>doesn't work, get caught on it
>raise prices, takes away deals on footlongs
>Pedo Jared comes out
>reminds people the negative of subway
>no reason to go there even more now that Firehouse, Jimmy Johns, Goodcents, etc is around

Fuck Subway. They could have brought the V-Cut back and got more hype than loyalty point bullshit.

>>10186500
>holy shit could you shill any harder?
How dare he express his enjoyment fuck him.

>tfw work as a bottom level sandwich stacker at a national sandwich/cafe chain with absurd expectations of their labor
end me lads and lasses

>work downtown
>8 subway within walking distance
>all run by indians who are very stringent on the amount of food you get
fuck i just don't know why these indians just don't start a bunch of fucking indian restaurants like how they do in Britain
and the only time i ever seen a subway run by a non indian is one that was run by chinese

>>10189503
>go to indian subway
>they count the meat even if it's a fucking philly steak
>TONS of tomatos lettuce and onions
>anything else? tough to get enough coverage
>Drink my friend?
No
>Chips?
No
>combo today?
NO
>You sure? good price!

Subway is good and healthy. It is better to get it often than any other under 8 dollar lunch spot.

>>10189545
Yeah, Indians are horrible and jew you over on everything. Just stop doing business with them. It isn't worth it.

>>10186602
I owned a few myself. The five dollar footlong definitely hit us hard, but the real downfall was corporate Subway. They thought being the biggest franchise would translate to success, but they ended up fucking over the individual owner. I own multiple different fast casual restaurants and the rules are once you open a shop you own the territory so no one can open up the same place a few streets away. Subway didn’t give a shit if your location failed so they would let someone open one up next door and you couldn’t stop them. This in combination with forced promotions like the five dollar foot long devestated most stores. One stood can deal with the five dollar footlong, but when you have multiple sites within the area it becomes impossible to stay profitable. Lucky for me I say the writing on the wall and was able to sell before I lost too much. I currently own multiple Jersey Mike’s, one is the most profitable stores in the nation, Jimmy Johns, Firehouse, and Sacko. None of them have the horrible corporate policies like Subway. If I had to do it all again I would probably reply to this post or your mother will die in her sleep tonight. Aside from that it was a good learning experience in what not to look for in a franchise opportunity.

>>10189793
lmao you got me

>>10189793
Immunity doggo is shocked and appalled at this unsustainable business practice.

>>10189063
>Their has been a real shift in the way people eat out, away from the chains
>very different from the 'mom and pop' greasy spoon deal.
What definition of "mom and pop" are you using where they can't be "chef driven" and/or "farm to table?"
"Mom and pop" just means it's a small non-chain business.
http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/mom-and-pop-store.html
>A small, independent, usually family-owned, controlled, and operated business that has a minimum amount of employees, has only a small amount of business volume, and is typically not franchised, therefore open for business only in a single location.
Nothing about "mom and pop" has anything to do with the stuff you're talking about. Just because a chef has more control over business decisions or the food comes from farms without middlemen doesn't make the business not a mom and pop store.

My problem with Subway is its shitty sides. I understand why they don't have fries because they don't want a fryer - but can you guys think of something decent? Chips or cookies don't cut it.

Subway needs more variety in soups
or at least all the ones near me
all we have is chicken noodle and cheddar broccoli

>>10186602
>And now, when we try to charge $7 or $8 for the same sandwich, customers balk and leave. They think "for $7, I can get superior Togos or Jersey Mikes or etc, and not bottom tier subway."

>Subway is a great case study on how a major advertising campaign and discount can hurt market share in the long run and create warped customer expectations.

exactly correct. If they beefed up what they put into their sandwiches when they went up 2/3 dollars it almost might be worth it. But same thing with In'n'Out it's decent but if you can pay a little more for something better than do it.
Port'o'subs has way better sandwiches for about the same price if not cheaper.

>>10189992
As you can see from the responses in this thread subway is essentially up against other chains that cost more but are of substantially better quality and in addition to this are also competing against local stores.

>In NYC for training
>subway is charging tourist trap prices for a sub
>See Lenwich, same price, better ingredients, larger portions

How the fuck does Subway stay in business in NYC when they're charging close to 10$ for their shitty sandwiches?

>engrain a certain price int your customer's head
>lose all customers once you raise the price
$5 footlong was the rise and fall of Subway

>>10186500
Fuck that, I will pound Jersey Mike's til I die. I eat a regular Italian Mike's way and it's the only sandwich I will go out for. Subway is garbage tier compared to Mike's

>>10189793
Damn

>>10188415
Your argument is intellectually dishonest for the following reason; yes people "know what they are getting" at chains and with brand names, what they "know" (or really believe) is what the previous anon mentioned, a deal. People think that because they know the item, and they know the price, they are not going to be duped, even if and when they are. It's simple psychology. But placing airs around a familiar name and acting as if familiarity has innate virtue is not true. Familiarity only has relevance in relation to the relationship. The relationship with people and brand name is going to be price and quality.

Again, I find your argument half-hearted and acquiescent to a culture of mediocrity. In answer to your closing question, why try x over established y? Because intellectual observation tells you the established y has nothing to lose and x has everything to win.

>>10190171
Nope. The anon you replied to was right.

>>10190189
Why would I believe you when this thread mirrors my beliefs, fucking idiots. I imagine you also eat subway.

>>10190204
>I imagine you also eat subway.
Ahhh it's all coming together nice and pretty once again. You figured us out.

>>10189945
hey I'm right, you're just one of those 4channers that needs to be a cunt about semantics and argue for the sake of it.
What have you accomplished here today?

>>10189545
you sound like the jew

>>10186701
What the fuck is a vegan deli

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>>10190077
Thanks for shilling Jersey Kike.

>>10190384
They're OK but they're not THAT much better than Subway. I prefer DiBella's.

Honestly the only thing they have that I wish other Sub places did is the toaster oven.

>buy 25 sandwiches, get one free!
Lmao, only one place in the world could call this a 'revamp' or a 'loyalty program'

I don't eat there because you stink like Subway for the rest of the day, even after washing your hands.

>>10188313
>Craig's Franchise Unaffiliated Sandwich Shop
I'd eat there

>>10186610
>no matter what meat you order at subway, it's made of turkey.

even the tuna?

>>10186474
Why not just have a kiosk where you put your order and money then and just 2 dudes making the sandwiches. Surely that saves more money than having the sandwich makers +cashier

The last time I had subway was 8 years ago when someone gave me one for free. I can go to any of my chain grocery stores and for 5 dollars get a whole big cold cut on a big French loaf, or for 8 dollars the fancier subs. Then there are all the local sandwich shops or delis hell even cafe's and coffee shops have large sandwich selections for cheaper or equivalent to subway. Even the fancy pants local pizza joint has footlong fresh subs for 6.75 including a meatball sub with 10 of em. I didn't understand how they existed anymore then I went to Texas where they are on every fucking corner with zero competition. It's literally flyovers and retards that eat at subway.

>>10186500
Why haven't you fucked him yet?

Humans have been making bread for like ten thousand years, how does Subway manage to fuck it up? It's practically stale when freshly baked somehow and when toasted it's incredibly dry.

Subway doesn't spread mayo on the bread like normal delis do, they just squirt it all over the top of the sub like Jared ejaculating on a child's face.

>>10190444
I remember when McDonalds moved out of the super Walmart’s and the subways moved in it just made walmart smell like straight asshole and it already smelled terrible

>>10187929
The only problem with home made sammiches for me is my desire for them is intermittent, and my good bread will go stale in a day or two

Subway turned themselves into the McDonalds of sandwhich places, and then got hit with loads of competition.

5 dollar footlong didn't help but the bottom line is their quality is shit, their stores are shit, and their employee's are shit.

Chick Fil A is mediocre/ok food that is somewhat overpriced but thrives. Why? Because they are incredibly strict about their stores and employees

>>10189793
Hahaha. Nice move.

The only people I see buying shitty $7 subs at Subway nowadays are niggers too stupid to go to the Publix that always seems to be in the same shopping center.

>>10190806
Kek

>>10190373
>t. Buttmad pajeet.
Every time I see an indian in the cuisine or serving my food I just leave. I know his disgusting tribal instincts will forget about the minimum in hygiène.

>>10186602
Yeah I have to admit the day I walked into subway and my regular blt wasnt $5 anymore, was the last day I ever went. Unless someone else was paying for me.

>>10190013
They dont, they're closing down a lot. The one across the street from me closed down and is now a dominos. In places where they have little or no competition and a high population of customers I guess they're still holding up.

>>10186602
>Subway is a great case study on how a major advertising campaign and discount can hurt market share in the long run and create warped customer expectations.

I never go to subway nowadays except when they have $5 promos. I'd probably never bay full price for a subway sub again... just easier to go somewhere better.

My problem with Subway is its shitty sides. I understand why they don't have fries because they don't want a fryer - but can you guys think of something decent? Chips or cookies don't cut it.

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