/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>what is the catalog
>thinking you can try and control people like that and it will work out
>not realizing contractors will take horrible advantage of this

It's been done in the U.S. before, and it was awful. If the quality of food is gonna be on par with the average food you'd find at your regular grocery store, this proposal will have my full support. If it's as shit as it was the previous time, it's gonna be a waste of money for garbage that no one will appreciate.

>>10145732
democrat? you sound unreasonably bitter and cynical about this for no grounded reason

In theory it could work but it will never pass. You can't give people "whole" food and just expect that everyone knows how to cook with staples or expect that everyone has a working oven, etc. Cooking classes or internet videos would also need to be a part of this program. Personally, I think they should just remove the fast food option from the SNAP program and not allow soda or candy to be purchased with SNAP either. If people want fast food, soda, or candy they should pay for that themselves. Just remove those things and leave SNAP program as is.

The poor should be afforded at least the small dignity of picking out their own food with their food stamps. I know the MAGApedes on 4chan hate the poor so most will disagree.

>>10145740
why? they had their chance and proved they can't be responsible

>>10145744
Doesn't mean you have to let them starve.

>>10145740
> The poor deserve
No one deserves anything faggot. If you live off the tax payer buck you will live how the tax payer votes. Welfare recipients should not be allowed to vote. Reason is the only logic behind welfare is feelings and emotions for the poor and dumb ass poor people screaming gibs me dat.

>>10145740
I think the #1 item that EBT is spent on is soda. A lot of people need it to survive or whatever but the system is prone to abuse, especially since convenience stores and take-out counters all take it as payment.

I knew kids in college who applied for EBT/SNAP and got it while they were students. Kids with rich parents, too - all that money got spent at Whole Foods on expensive seafood.

>>10145749
they won't, they just won't be buying Mt Dew and mc chickens on government money

>>10145744
Because they're still human beings and should have the freedom to choose instead of getting a box of powdered milk and Vienna sausages that will go to waste anyway.

>>10145758
ahh yes, nobody is poor if they know someone with money

>>10145770
They have the choice to get their shit together or eat food supplied by the government.

>>10145801
Or both. The welfare programs shouldn't be a means to an end for most peopld

>>10145720
And they say if you don't learn from the past you're doomed to repeat it

>>10145720
this will be given to the highest bidder and a lot of money will be emblezzled and shaved all the way down

>>10145801
kys

They will obviously spin this as a racist idea, somehow

>>10145816
Luckily it's just a proposal and nothing will likely come from it, but it just goes to show the administration's contempt for the poor.

>>10145740
>picking out their own food
And with food desserts, that ends up being Cheetos, soda, and prebaked snacks.

The Obama administration rule to have stores carry healthy foods to keep getting food stamps was the way to go

>>10145738
republican? you seem automatically objective to any criticism of a newly proposed plan by our GLORIOUS LEADER

Haven't read the thread yet but I predict a bunch of partisan loudmouths attacking the idea of literally feeding the poor.

>>10145831
lol seems about right for some

>>10145736
This. People forget that trump is only proposing something that had happened and failed. Much like isolationism.

>>10145830
Yeah, you're a card-carrying tribal dumbass if you immediately gravitated to thinking about Trump and how you could stick it to him on this. I'm not defending the guy or saying he's good, so can you please pull your head out of your ass and quit shit talking food going to the hungry without providing a good reason why? If it's a logistics problem then that makes sense to bring up, but if you can get behind the basic notion of delivering food to people who can't afford it, then you've completely missed the point of government in favor of throwing your favorite little tantrum about people you enjoy hating.

>>10145843
This exactly.

>>10145824
It shows their contempt for excess spending. They need to trim the fat on the SNAP program and this isn't a vendetta against the poor. Citizens pay for this and everybody is fucking broke except for the top earners in America. People can hardly afford to take care of their without assistance own as is.

>>10145843
What a stretch lmao.

>>10145720
African Americans who use food stamps will be in an uproar. You can't go down to the local gas station and sell food boxes, but you sure as hell can go and swipe your ebt card and have the indian give you 50% of what it's worth.

>>10145824
How does this show contempt for the poor at all, is it just because somebody will be paid to make this food? You think a democrat would have personally cooked for everyone in his little kitchen? Where do you think labor comes from?

>>10145818
I work at a job where I watch fresh off the boat immigrants pull themselves up from literally nothing to owning a house. Unless you're disabled, there are plenty of manufacturing jobs all over the US. Seriously theyre desparate.

>>10145739
This.

>>10145856
>somebody will be paid to make food
You just proved you have no idea what your talking about.

>>10145851
>lmao
Thanks facebook poster!

>>10145739
This is probably the only logical solution. People on welfare are too stupid to figure out basic shit. Poverty is a basic education issue. The concept of rationing your money is lost to some people. My sister is a perfect example. Full time job but is burrying herself in debt and lives pay check to paycheck buying dumb shit.

>>10145883
Gotta keep up with the joneses my friend.

Food boxes? You mean the thing that's handed out from the back of military trucks to victims of earthquakes, floods and civil wars? Way to go, 'Murica!

>>10145872
This. People don't want to admit the hard truth but it's really not that hard to move up the ladder in this country. Middle class is so fucking easy it's laughable.

>>10145739
That doesn't solve the problem of food deserts though, which is why >>10145829 is the correct answer along with your suggestion.

There also needs to be some kind of education component as well. They should set up some kind of online food/health education that has to be done to maintain eligibility.

Want to know the real reason why this is a weird and ineffective idea?
[spoiler]EBT is low-key not really just for food and what it takes to live, people takenit and spend it on a bunch of other stuff alongside food they can afford. The American poor aren't all that hungry

Government is shit and inefficient at everything. Simply giving out money to buy things is always the least disruptive option. Government physically giving out food will end up costing $50K a year per person some fucking how. Similarly, a private school system with government assistance for poor kids would be much better and cheaper than we have now.

>>10145892
Soda sweets and fast food being removed from SNAP is the best solution.

What's with the autists pretending it's only 'the 1%' out there and everyone else is poor? That's so not true, there's fucking tons of money in circulation out there. I'm literally middle class, and so is everyone I work with, and most of the people where I live. I know the poor exist, but there's just money out there than people can get. People change class all the time is this country, if you're working hard and not getting enough that's one thing, but a lot of people complaining are just unemployed and perfectly supported, or well off enough and complaining on the behalf of others. Can we get an actual poor person in here who knows what they're talking about?

>>10145720
>just give more millions to corporate fucklords like sodexo you stupid goys! the nigs are spending them food stamps on crack so this is the only solution!
dumb shill

>>10145896
This actually. Which is nice because a lot of people are privately and personally helping the poor in their community.

>>10145720
>instead of junk food, we'll pick the foods
>Peanut butter, govt cheese, dried beans, and canned veg (likely corn)
How fucking healthy

>>10145921
well, you're talking about america, where ketchup is considered a vegetable
what did you expect?

>>10145896
Government can do some things efficiently but they're fucking insane if they think they can do basic food staples delivered to people's houses while saving money compared to just giving them fucking EBT. Just fucking limit it to peanut butter and eggs if they're that desperate to cut out soda and chips

>>10145907
>he thinks class is dictated by income
lmao if you're born working class you will die working class even if you become a billionaire

>>10145845
Exactly. This plan is a great idea from what I've seen so far. However, supporters should be open to criticism. Additionally, take a little humor k?

>>10145843
well, I don't see you trying to give a better deal to your corporate cronies
he's doing his best y'know

How soon before people start pretending they care if poor people get their cigarettes?

>>10145720
People will just complain that the food boxes "aren't enough" or try to bullshit an excuse as to why they can't eat certain foods even they aren't allergic

>>10145937
Lol, now that's funny.

>>10145740
>The poor should be afforded at least the small dignity of picking out their own food with their food stamps
They already do this and what they buy is sugary drinks, junk food, frozen dinners, and candy. Only time they can't pick out their own food is with something like WIC which is meant for infants/toddlers to ensure they get a balanced nutrition growing up, and even then that has a lot of flex because you can still pick out the brand and flavors of shelf items on the WIC.

>>10145732
>>thinking you can try and control people like that and it will work out

How is this control? Its not even your money in the first place. You shouldn't get to decide how you spend money that isn't yours.

>>10145802
>The welfare programs shouldn't be a means to an end for most people
The welfare programs are a means to an end for most people

>>10145824
>Giving welfare queens boxes of organized food with recipe plans instead of a prepaid credit card
>"FCUKING DRUMPF HATES DA PO' PEEPOLE"

>>10145872
>>10145891
The problem is that most Americans don't want to work in anything other than cushy yuppy office jobs while going to college on their parents' money to earn a useless non-trade non-skilled degree. They look at how labor jobs like carpentry or even fast food work have been depicted poorly in entertainment and the media and they decide to just bitch and moan that they can't get the easy life they believed was promised to them while those jobs are just sitting there waiting to be taken.

>>10145720

biggest problems will be

>suppliers being greedy and taking advantage of gubmement money
>people needing to be taught how to cook, most schools don't even teach basics and even if they do people forget that shit quickly once they leave school.

Trump proposed it so I'll tell you exactly what will happen

>starts off good on paper
>media latches on to a story about a 300 pound nigga who couldn't get the six trillion calories need to maintain her weight from the box
>another nigga is unable to open the cardboard box and dies of starvation (will be called a child, will actually be 35)
>subsidized farmers who fill the box will demand some cost cuts, resulting in the solid mix of food inside being reduced to an ear of corn
>democrat stooge for the next presidential election gets on stage; calls these boxes the "Obamacare of food"
>promises a return to food stamps if elected
>niggas love being able to spend their government gibz on alcoholic and barbecque Lays so they vote for him en masse

>>10146004
This, and also this contempt for basic work often leads to terrible work environments where everyone is doing just fine but for some reason they all choose to mope around the job telling eachother stories about how awful and offensive their life is. Of course there's also a lot of positive, productive work environments where one or a few stable people who know how life works elevate the personality of the workforce, and everybody gets along and enjoys their job because being a willfully unhappy layabout is discouraged.

>>10146015
>he a good presiden' he dindu nuffin'!
go back to twitter donald

>>10146015
Don't forget that everyone will start pretending they care if poor people get their cigarettes, and talking about them like a human right.

>>10146023

I'm literally correct.

>>10146028
you're talking about shit that hasn't happened yet, so there is no way you could be literally correct
but I guess it's time for dumb infographics anyway

>>10146031
>time for all these facts that blister my ass

>>10145830
you are a moron

>>10146014
>people needing to be taught how to cook

I know the demographic we're talking about here, but how hard is it to chop some vegetables, throw them into a pan with a little butter and stir?

>>10146031
Are you kidding? You're already protesting the idea just because it came from Trump. You skipped every part of his post just to say he's stupid for daring not to attack Trump.

>>10146028
Why do you faggots always have the worst sourcing? It always scream incompetence.

>>10145732
>thinking you can try and control people like that and it will work out
i know, feeding the poor directly with fresh food, such an evil fascist thing
the only thing wrong with this plan is that it would be hard as hell to deliver all that food, and i dont trust the government
ebt cards are just easier despite them being abusable and a main cause for why so many americans are disgustingly fat

>>10146103
not as fat as you, filthy eurofaggot

Why not just limit what you can use these cards for? And give discount on healthy food?

Looks good on paper as a new corporate welfare subsidy to big agri, but the logistics will cost enormously more than the current system for far less food. Now, the republicucks won't mind that extra spending since their current budget deficit far exceeds anything in the recent past, but in addition, the food will be old, partially rotten, shit quality unmarketable produce.

>>10145907
I am an actual poor person who knows what I'm talking about. Or rather, a previously poor person.

I was born and raised by a working single mother on food stamps. She was raised the same way by her mother. It was a classic case of generations of a family being stuck in poverty. We were all obese or morbidly obese as well. Nobody in my family knew anything at all about nutrition. As a child it was an endless buffet of sugary cereal, snack cakes, candy, frozen dinners, soda, etc. I don't remember having any real food growing up. During my teen years I learned that we had also been selling some of our foodstamps to help pay the bills, or occasionally buy cigarettes and such. My mom had the opportunity to get slightly better jobs over the years, but didn't because they would have cut our welfare handouts by more than what the increase in her income would have been, leaving us worse off than before.

I didn't want to live my life as a welfare bum, so I made it a point to work my way out of poverty as quickly as possible. At age 21, I had a job making $19,000/year and decided that was enough for me to get by on, called the welfare office and told them to remove me from all accounts. I'm 23 now and make $30,000 a year, decided to learn about nutrition and have been losing weight for a year now. I weigh less than I did in elementary school.

The foodstamp system is definitely flawed, but its fixable. Government food boxes would not be the way to go. Their contents would be similar to food bank shit: powdered milk, cans of beans, carrots, and mystery meat, and a big ol' block of government "cheese". Granted, it would make people much more eager to get off of welfare, but there would be millions of malnourished children.

>>10146114

Because people flip their cards for fifty cents on the dollar to buy booze and expensive luxuries and shit and then send their kids to school to get fed

>>10145739
You can't get cooked food via SNAP unless you're you're elderly

>>10145843
Just because it's been tried once doesn't mean we can't attempt it again. You learn from past mistakes

I think it could be a good idea...

If it cuts fraud, waste and abuse,

If it promotes proper portion control among the obese SNAP recipients

and if it promotes healthier eating than a cart full of high fructose corn syrup and refined grains...

it could be to the positive.

>>10145990
Because they choose to make it so.

I'm poor, I work 12 hour days, and I'm not on food stamps. Fuck you if you are. Absolute scum.

It would only work if local governments decided what items went in the boxes.

>>10146151
Good post. Happy for you anon.

>>10145720
I like this idea but chances are big food corps are just going to pay to have their garbage food included so they profit

>>10146151
>I was born and raised by a working single mother on food stamps. She was raised the same way by her mother.
lets listen to the words of this genetic winner, everyone

>>10146164
>If it cuts fraud, waste and abuse

just look at the privatized prison system to know that the exact opposite will occur. all this talk about government staying the fuck out of people's lives, but only when it isn't the middle and ruling class who aren't getting fucked with. a decision like this isn't even done for legitimate reasons, it's just so the right wingers can thumb their noses at the abjectly poor and assume another level of control on them just to satisfy their kicks.

>>10146190
He's got as much or more drive than you, obviously.

>>10146197
>using federal penitentiaries to argue the government should dip their fingers into more industry

>>10146190
They turned their life around supposedly. Why shit on them for recognizing a problem in their family and trying to break free from it

>>10146203
>reading comprehension
Go back to middleschool

>>10146201
>this is what welfare peons actually believe

>>10146151
Cont.

Removing unhealthy options such as soda, snack cakes, candy, ice cream, etc. would definitely be a good first step, but there would be riots in the streets from all the fatties who can't get their mtn dew and little debbies anymore. Restaurants and fast food places shouldn't be options on EBT either, in my state they're not. I didn't know there were places that let you use foodstamps at mcdonald's. The point of welfare isn't for poor people to have luxuries. It's for them to be able to survive.

At age 18 I worked a part time making $7.30/hour. I grossed $5,000 that year. I also got $180/month in foodstamps, and struggled to make it last all month because I blew it all on soda and snacks. At age 21, I got a job making $19,000 a year and told the welfare office to shut me off. I spent almost all of my money on shitty food. I'm now 23, got promoted and make $30,000/year. I also decided to learn about nutrition and get in shape. I now only spend ~$100/month on groceries and end up throwing some away. Now I'm trying to decide if I should get some student loans and go to college, or look for an even better paying job. By rich people standards, I'm still a poorfag. By poor people standards, I make a bunch of money.

Being on a cushy welfare program makes you complacent and just accept being poor. It also makes you afraid to try to better your situation. It's a feeling of security you don't have even with a decent job. I could get fired at any moment and lose everything I've worked so hard for. Welfare bums don't have to worry about that. Maintaining their current life is pretty much a guarantee.

>>10145758
In illinois when I did use link, I could only use it for unprepared food, no 'hot food'. I was surprised a few years ago you could now use it on slushies at a gas station, it used to be no fountain sodas.

>>10146208
>calling prisons "privatized" when they are actually subsidized

>>10145934
Oh lmao okay so you're just offended that you've made yourself useful using your hands, huh? Anyhing less than never working again is a total insult to your class and character, huh? Fuck off, man. Do you seriously think you're going to get anywhere arguing that you shouldn't have to work?

Lots of angry EBT poor trash in here.

>>10146216
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_prison

>>10145720
If it will help get sheboons with two baskets out of the express lane, I'm all for it.

>>10146103

But, jobs will be created via box delivery service. Also for poor people it helps Appalachian Americans due to the fact there are no stores close by.

>>10146225
>A private prison or for-profit prison is a place in which individuals are physically confined or incarcerated by a third party that is contracted by a government agency.

>>10146213
Thanks for the info, you're a good man. It does seem like the main mixup with welfare is of course that people are happy to take it and not try and improve out of the situation. I think that pretty much defines everyone's grievances with the program, though of course it's an extremely hard issue to correct and you certainly can't just do away with it. It's a shame because the program should be designed for progress and to elevate people, but it's an absolute slog and it seems like being stuck on welfare is almost automatic for so many people who otherwise aren't capable or aware enough to want to become a working person. It's a mess, and I know I'm very lucky to be able to say this, but it's kind of okay, because the people who do the right things do get out of that slog every day. Honestly it seems like welfare is only a problem for people who never intend to get jobs in the first place.

>>10146190
I'm not a genetic winner, obviously. But I am constantly working to break free from it. I moved away from my family and am currently living a higher quality life than they are.

Another interesting thing I've noticed. The harder I work at improving my life, the more conservative my world views become, both fiscally and socially. I don't know if it's related or not. But it is ensuring that if I do have a family, it will not continue in the same cycle as the past few generations.

>>10145937
Ha!

Wish so much waste in the country why don't they just give these boxes to everybody? Like UBI but with staples. From the looks of what will be put in it, I'll be able to be fully stocked for societal collapse and it will make some cool threads on here.


I wonder what dino tendies will do with his box?

>>10146190
You're a fucking invalid

>>10145749
>letting them starve
You seem to be confused about what's actually in the box. It's food. The box is full of food.

>I don't like it so I'd rather just not eat at all!
Then they deserve to starve. Simple as that.

>>10146243
That doesn't make them not privately owned. Farms are privately owned but receive subsidies from the government

>>10145740
As a former homeless man: the poor deserve the boot. You can't trust them to produce or even pass without impediment. Whatever is cheapest to the state has my support; there is no end to what we give the "misfortunate", and we need to squeeze every penny so their incompetence doesn't swallow us.

>>10146197

Private prisons are good, though

>>10146316
>arguing something that couldn't exist at all without federal subsidy is truly privatized
>trying to skate by on an inapplicable technicality with the hopes you will seem correct

>>10146171
I was seriously the same way for years, then 5 minutes on the internet and then bam extra 200 for food.

>>10145818
>disagree with me?
>kill yourself.
Liberals, everyone.

>>10146337
It's actually very simple. Does the government own the prison or not? No.

>>10146244
Many people are happy to take it. Others just accept that that's how their life will be. It is a lower quality of life, but it's also living life on easy mode. Others are just afraid to improve. The day I called up the welfare office and told them to shut off my benefits was one of the scariest days of my life. It was like taking the training wheels off of your bike for the first time.

In my opinion, the biggest drain on the system are the people who do not actually NEED the money, but take it just because they are eligible. They say things like "I don't really need it, but I pay my taxes. I pay into the system, so I'm going to take everything I can get from it." For example, I know a single mother who works a factory job, and gets a couple thousand a month in child support because her kids' father is rich. She is also dating a highway inspector who gives her everything she wants and pays her bills. On paper though, she is still eligible for hundreds of dollars a month in foodstamps, free healthcare for her and her children, free heating oil, and a large portion of her electric bill getting paid for by the government. It all adds up to probably at least $2,000/month in benefits that she doesn't even need. But, it's all technically legal.

>>10146352
>Does the government pay the prison to exist?
>Yes
Wow, flawless argument. You sure showed me Keysenism isn't real, that there is only capitalism and communism.

>>10145720
>Proposed plan to replace food stamps and handouts with regulated government issued food boxes for people on low incomes.

They tried to pass this law in Georgia but all the Atlanta niggers flipped out and went ape shit.

I don't think you white people understand just how large the food stamp grey market is. And how important it is as a side hustle for many.

>>10146216
>not reading to the end of the post before posting
>making the same point but presenting it as a counter point
>being stupid and illiterate but having the same opinion
You make the people you agree with look bad.

>>10146363
Just because the government is it's number one customer doesn't mean it isn't privately owned m8.

>>10145753
>Welfare recipients should be allowed 2 votes because they're so poor

> t.democat.poverty.pimp

>>10146209
He dragged himself out of welfare, you lazy fag.

>>10146381
>> t.democat.poverty.pimp

It doesn't matter. In about 20 years, 'Mericas social spending and welfare programs will overtake their tax revenue.

Then, the shit hits the fan.

>>10146381
>> t.democat.poverty.pimp

What do you expect? Entitlements cost $$$. And we need entitlements to keep those niggers voting democrat.

>>10146373
We do realize this. This is what we're trying to do away with. And it's not a gray market, it's a black market. There is nothing legal about welfare fraud. Selling heroin is also an important industry and side hustle to many, does that mean we just let it go on without trying to stop it? If these people would put as much effort into legitimate work as they do illegal markets, they wouldn't need to commit crimes to make a living.

>>10146378
The prison literally could not exist without the government. Putting people in jail is only something the U.S. government can do.

>>10146389
Especially when your president thinks that cutting taxes for rich people is a good thing

>>10145739
Theory and practice fail with snap too. Niggers (and trashy other welfare recipients niggers are just the highest likelihood to be using) want alcohol and drugs first, fast food second. The food they buy isn't nutritious or economical, they go to the local gas station and buy wangz and shieeet. Kids literally starve in ghettos, if it wasn't for the locals doing so much drug dealing and prostitution you would see Ethiopia tier dead skinny bodies. Shit you really want to murk the ghetto give all ebt in the form of scratch-offs with a "play for cash" option it'd be over in a week.

>>10146423
Which leads to the question, what was the point of subsidizing the prison industry in the first place

>>10146408
Gee it's like 2008 wasn't the worst economic crisis in about 80 yrs

>>10146433
Same deal with farms: an ordinary farm probably couldn't afford all that land (or ship all of its crops) without partnering with the government. Thus arguing a farm or prison is truly "private" is disingenuous.

>>10146435
let's blame it on dubya so king negro's legacy remains pristine

>>10145872
That job sounds pretty cool anon, mind telling us a bit more? Also I agree with your point

>>10146441
Depends on the crop. The subsidies for farms just give incentive to grow certain crops over others, at least that's my understanding of it.
What point does subsidizing the prison system have

>>10145911
Is it better than Wal-Mart and Texaco gas station stores?

>>10146451
I'm a welder. Most of the immigrants we hire end up in shipping which still pays decent enough and has tons of overtime opportunities. Some of them can barely even read english.

>>10146433
Well where is their income supposed to come from? I'm genuinely asking, how can a prison be private if they don't produce wealth for themselves?

>>10146446
Let's throw in some fallacies and racial slurs, no one will notice my shilling

>>10145720
literally WAKE UP SHEEPLE time
holy shit

>>10145720
It's a great idea, people will have to eat like normal human beings and maybe learn to cook as well. People complain so much about food deserts but this solves that problem.

>>10146441
There are lots of small, family owned farms that have been operating for generations without government subsidies. Massive commercial farms are another story. Although, farms could exist without subsidies, food would just be more expensive. Prisons on the other hand, have almost no way of existing without money from the government. They produce a product people can buy, or provide a service people would pay for aside from their tax dollars. To be a truly private sector prison, they would have to put every prisoner to work in a way that would be profitable, and hold fundraisers to get the community to donate money to keep it operational.

>>10145848
How about this: we tax those top earners higher so more of the poor can get SNAP, rather than turning different categories of poor against each other?

Okay, so I understand when a poor, homeless, confused mentally disabled person who can hardly dress himself with clothes he doesn't even have can't get a job, but really what's behind this myth that it's impossible to find an income in this country? If you're enslaved by debt and can't recover with a basic income that's one thing, but really what's the narrative on this class determinism that people often complain about? Is it really just indignant people who are offended to work, or won't put forth the effort?

>>10146481
They don't produce a product*

>>10146472
He's not trying to be covert, it's true that people deflect away from any possible negative influence Obama could have. I personally think he did pretty abysmally at quelling race relations, he didn't really pull it out with the MLK speeches, he just kind of pressed the issue of a problem.

>>10146408
> 43 Presidents spanning 200 years. Including great depression & over 12 major recessions.
> Accumulate 10 Trillion in Debt.
> Barrak Obama in 8 years.
> Adds 10 Trillion in Debt.

Americans are dumb as fuck.

>>10146483
>Penalize high performers
>So we can subsidize lazy shits
I'm married to a communist, and even she thinks that's a dumb idea.

>>10146471
There shouldn't be income for prisons. That creates incentive to get more prisoners or keep them longer instead of rehabilitating them so they stop being a drain on society.
That's why the prison guard unions are lobbying so hard against removing marijuana from schedule 1 status. That significantly cuts into their business

>>10146322
This plan would probably end up being more expensive. The cost of delivering all those parcels wasn't addressed in the proposal and would probably eat up any savings the govt would get supplying the food.

>>10146493
>> 43 Presidents spanning 200 years. Including great depression & over 12 major recessions.
>> Accumulate 10 Trillion in Debt.
>> Barrak Obama in 8 years.
>> Adds 10 Trillion in Debt.

Funny thing is that Obama wasn't even that great for the blacks. Hell, Bill Clinton was a better "black president" than Barrak ever was.

>>10146497
I'm saying that prisons don't make income except from government funding. The government pays them to keep the prisoners, they don't make any money besides that and maybe some from using the labor to stamp license plates or whatever. It's true that prisons can be private institutions, but there's no real context for them to operate without subsidies since they produce no real income.

>>10145720
I find a better idea to be more like wic keep the food stamp “cards” limit eligibility of foods to mostly healthy

>>10146501
Yeah Obama was awful for race relations and for the 'uplifting' of any race. He pretty much tolerated riots and passed the buck on any call to resolve these issues.

>>10146510
Public prisons don't, private prisons do n't charging for the convienence fee
https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/062215/business-model-private-prisons.asp

>>10146155
Yes you can. You can use Snap at Mcdonalds or buy a rotisserie chicken if you want. Maybe not all states allow that but many do.

>>10146486
Poor people generally aren't very smart. This makes it harder for them to get high paying jobs. Their best hope is factory jobs or manual labor that will leave them broken and collecting disability by the age of 40 anyway. Poor people also live in poor areas. So that construction job that might pay $25/hr in California is only going to pay $9.25/hr in rural West Virginia. The owner of the construction company is also going to pay you under the table, so you will get no health insurance and if you get hurt on the job, you're fucked. Poor people also don't have enough money to up and move to an area where they could get paid more for the jobs they are qualified for. It is a difficult situation to get out of, and it can take years, even a lifetime, to get out of. And most poor people don't possess the critical thinking and problem solving skills to formulate a plan to get out of their situation.

>>10146542
Care to share which states allow this? None of the states I've lived in have allowed cooked food. There are places that will charge EBT for raw food and then charge you a preparation fee that you have to pay out of pocket so that they can sell you cooked food like rotisserie chicken.

>>10145997
no one said that mr triggered

>>10146501
What are the stats for all ethnicities though?

>>10145878
who do you think is gonna assemble the food boxes?
this is a great idea. not only does it make sure people on food assistance get actual food and not slushies and candy, but it creates jobs for Americans.

>>10146472
you're a nigger in spirit; worse than exterior nigger

>>10146481
>There are lots of small [...] farms
>Same deal with farms: an ordinary farm probably couldn't afford all that land (or ship all of its crops) without partnering with the government.

>>10146556
Here ya go... almost every state allows hot food purchases

https://lowincomerelief.com/fast-food-restaurants-ebt/

>>10146556
The states of Florida, California, Arizona and Michigan already allow select restaurants like Golden Corral, McDonald's, Subway, some Yum! properties and others to accept food stamps. But the new Yum! effort would potentially give their particular brands the ability to accept food stamps in all 50 states

>>10146585
>you're a nigger in spirit; worse than exterior nigger

White liberals are the only reason why your niggers act like spoiled rotten children. I blame all of 'merica's nigger problems on whites.

>>10145761
you cant buy fast food on food stamps, dipshit. youre specifically not allowed to buy hot foods with stamps, only fresh and prepped foods that arent hot, be it a frozen pizza or a bag of chips. thats why so many people on stamps eat nothing but shit, because they would rather get cheap premade shit that requires no effort to make instead of buying fresh and cooking their meals, which many poor people cant even do because of lack of instruction or appliances required to do so.

>>10146594
Did you even read your link?

>>10146619
Yes you can

http://itsateapartyyall.com/food-stamp-snap-card-abuse/

>>10146519
>Yeah Obama was awful for race relations and for the 'uplifting' of any race. He pretty much tolerated riots and passed the buck on any call to resolve these issues.

Not to mention his blatant support of BLM when they were cheering on the shootings of 2 Asians and 1 Latino police officers in So Cal.

It is not a stretch to say that Obama overty supported police shootings and the encouraged rioting in St. Louis.

>>10146592
Define an "ordinary" farm. Where I live, small family farms are the norm.

>>10146639
try reading the shit you forward to people next time. it varies from state to state, and only like 5 states even allow you to do it.

>>10146660
More than none. Maybe you should stop acting like you know everything

>>10146430
>wanting the richest people on the planet to leave the country because you're treating them unfairly
hmm

>>10146676
>>wanting the richest people on the planet to leave the country because you're treating them unfairly

This is basically Italy and Greece in the past 10 years. All the young, smart people with high income have all fled this tax hell and fled to GB or the US.

>>10146640
How are race relation under Trump?

>>10146640
>Not to mention his blatant support of BLM when they were cheering on the shootings of 2 Asians and 1 Latino police officers in So Cal.

Yeah, I remember watching that and thinking to myself, "wtf? THIS is the american president?"

>>10146701
Not great of course, Trump's no healer in that regard. I'm just a bit shocked that Obama is treated as a big racial milestone when his terms saw more race riots and calls for prejudice-based judgement since the early 1990s. I really expected Obama to say that people should come together and take care of their communities instead of destroying them, but his silence on the issue basically has less considerate people thinking race riots are progressive.

>>10146832

Slick Willie Clinton had managed the best race relations in the US. He was by far the best "black president" the US ever had. Then came Bush and relations stayed pretty much the same.

But Obama's constant racism and blame of all of blacks own failures on whites, Asians, Latnios, etc was the wedge that divided America.

Obama is what allowed hate groups like BLM to gain power and flourish. Constant blame and racism by blacks only split the US.

I wish we could go back to the Clinton years.

>>10145720
Yes. Let's send people a bunch of food that they don't know how to cook and will throw half of it away instead of letting them decide what to buy a great idea

This is a great way to generate a lot of food waste without combating hunger. Also guess what foods are going to go into the boxes? Whichever industries pay their lobbyists the most

>>10146858
Yep, absolutely this. Another one of the main reasons Hillary lost is because she was pushing the same brand of race and gender reductionism, and declared herself 'the leader of women', while also openly saying that the problem with America is Americans so we need to use immigration to alter the genetic makeup of the electorate. That 'glass ceiling' idea was so useless to help anyone's lives, she literally insisted that the world's women are being crushed by an invisible wall that can only be broken if she wins the Presidency. It's just a ridiculous context for healing. Just another neo-liberal fearmongering paradigm where they liquidate you down to your demographic and tell you stories about the world wanting you dead, in the hopes that the affected masses will truly believe all hope and love is dead unless they empower the democratic candidate with some electoral spirit bomb. Nobody wanted that, all it's done is leave an increasingly disenfranchised population alone with a schizophrenia they've encouraged, and an asserted dependence on government to solve social issues that government simply isn't equipped to solve.
And she fled election night when she lost lol. You'd think the hero of women would have a message of hope for the world, and wouldn't need the president's chair to make that difference, but she intentionally left everyone out to dry stewing in the discontent of a failed final revolution.

>>10146908
Funny how when someone is handed free food, people start crying that it's unfair a person has to know how to feed themselves in order to eat for free.

>>10146918

>>10146328
Nooooooo they fucking aren’t. Not in the least.

>>10146603
I currently reside in California. Only elderly SNAP recipients can get fast food. Others can get non cooked food like salads at those restaurants

>>10146408
>doubled in 8 years without Barack
>doubled in 8 years with Barack
hmmm

>>10146939
How am I wrong?

>>10145753
>Reason is the only logic behind welfare is feelings and emotions for the poor and dumb ass poor people screaming gibs me dat.
In your dreams. There's one reason to feed the poor and one reason only - poor people get angry, and angry people start revolutions. Want to avoid that? Support bread and circuses.

>>10146924
Well you can't go magically from eating mcdonalds and doritos all day to making chicken breasts overnight

I don't think there is a single silver bullet that will solve all the problems with food stamps. But supplementing the existing program with food boxes could solve many of the most glaring. Food boxes is the best idea I've heard that will solve the food desert issue. It's way better than doing retarded things like forcing businesses to sell 'healthy' food or forcing businesses to open up stores in certain areas with regulations.
Along with food boxes, food stamps should be heavily restricted to only include staples. All junk food, fast food, prepared food and expensive meats like beef and lobster shouldn't be allowed. Food stamps is about keeping people from starving, not allowing people to live in luxury on another persons dime. Don't have have any stores nearby that sell staples? Well then you can have government issued food boxes instead.
Staples are way more nutritionally efficient than junk/fast food per dollar. It's also much more efficient when it comes to health issues. Stuffing your face with candy, soda and fast food will cause very expensive health problems down the line, problems that will be paid for by the tax payer. Having tax payers fund these health problems in the first place is ludicrous.
The only real issues I can see from doing this is people may not know how to prepare staples. A problem that is easily fixed by throwing in a cookbook on request. If you're really so incredibly stupid that you can't follow simple directions to eat, you shouldn't be living on your own anyway.

>>10145997
>What you guys claim it will be:
What you described
>What it will actually be:
The same processed frozen dinner style shit, canned vegetables and fruits, canned fish and meats and maybe dehydrated milk/potatoes/etc

"disenfranchised fellows" would riot as soon as that happened

>>10146264
I have a kind of similar story. And growing up thought communism was the coolest. Marxism? hell yeah. Then when I took out on my own, boy did everything change for me. Am 33 now and though slightly socially liberal (idgaf what people do in their own homes) I am VERY fiscally conservative. All because I started paying my own way.

>>10145720
Good.

They should just get rid of all that shit and let the church deal with them.

There is zero incentive to get off the SNAP program.

Successful people shouldn't be punished by having to pay for the morons, whores, and lazy in a society.

>>10145720
In my country, they simply subsidize basic food items at markets so that poor people can buy rice, legumes, eggs, veggies, and some cuts of chicken. Snacks and other bullshit have to be paid at full price in cash, no welfare scammers.

>>10145934
>tfw Sir Alan Sugar is going to die working class

>>10145934
Britbong please go.

I'm all for restricting food stamps to cover just meats, fish, seafood, vegetables, fruits, whole grains, nuts, and dry goods; while excluding sodas, candy, premade foods and snack items.
But that stupid "food box" idea is just another way for 2 Scoops and his little cronies to skim more money from taxpayers.

>Need to pay to store these boxes
>Need to pay someone to deliver these boxes, because most people who get food stamps have no vehicle and/or are disabled
>Need to have large variety for peopel with food allergies
>Nightmare for picky people, people throwing away half their meals do to not liking included parts

It's more expensive, it's a logistical nightmare, and it's not gonna happen.

>>10146998
>>10147126
>pls give us gibs or we will literally just chimp out
it's incredible how people unironically think appeasing to threats of violence is a good idea. purest nigger logic at its finest

they need to make shooting rioters legal. it's just self-defense. You can't have civilization (at least, not for long) that rewards peak nigger politics like this. Your gibs got cut off? Geez, it's almost like there's an incentive to be a good person and make friends + keep good family relations to help them out in times of need without the state. but nope, gotta reward assholes and also pay them to exist with ur money haha

>>10145934
>Europedans still clinging to their caste systems
You fuckers are as bad as the poo-in-loo's.

>>10147178
This. Agree, that food should be restricted to nutritious whole food items but not in this way which is ripe for corporate abuse and the logistics nightmare will cost much more and provide less food than the current system. Orange obese emperor and his pirate buddies are pillaging infinitely more from the US than the pittance that is food stamps. It won't hurt them to keep their filthy paws out of one thing.

>>10147178
>>10147227
I agree that food stamps probably shouldn't cover potato chips and soda pop, but there's that where do you draw the line issue.

Food box is the dumbest most frightening idea ever. Being assigned food via taxpayer money sounds like another good way for foodservice monopolies to have legally required market control.

>>10147273
Draw the line at 2000 Cal/day. Instead of ringing up prices, it will ring up caloric values, when it's gone for the month the little hoodrats can feast on fat reserves.

>>10147299
>design a nation-wide system designed to measure caloric intake based on number of people, days purchased, cooking method, whether ingredients are eaten raw...
Yeah that won't be the largest tax-burden in history. Fuck, that's Star Trek level of technology.

>>10147311
Just use the Jenny Craig points system.

>>10147319
You can't be serious. You realize how complicated this system is going to get?

>>10147328
>2000cal/person/month
Nigga I don't even need a calculator, interface that with Myfitnesspal, and like magic, skinny, complaining poor people like magic.

>>10147338
Forcing every store to comply to this instead of using money is going to be hilarious. You're delusional.

Well … Mr. Trump has succeeded in suddenly getting liberals to decry Big Brother and embrace the free market! Amazing!

Anyone who truly needs the food won't be upset.

>>10145720
Just let them starve
>>10145761
mc chickens are good value for money as fast food goes, 400 calories at £1.

>>10145720
They should just give those fuckers MRE's.

If it's good enough for the men we ask to fight and die for our fucked up country, it's good enough for Shaneekwa and her 8 "keedz" leeching off the rest of us...

>>10147360
i believe you mean decry crony capitalism and corporate welfare

>>10147347
>Forcing
It's called incentivising. The large chains aren't going to pass up that sweet government money and they already have the needed infastructure. Probably why you are on assistance, can't think of unique solutions to problems.

>>10146949
This

>>10147378
But I'm not Shaneekwa, I'm a former Plumber Joe who got diagnosed with a major illness and am not well enough to work.

>>10147378
This is a good idea, keep them fed and reduce their water bill.

>>10147391
And?

>>10147391
Should have saved those shekels, Joe.

I don't think the spirit of this is that bad, what I don't get is that there's already infrastructure in place for free government food within an approved list, it's called WIC, why not just do something like that?

>>10147391
You think a plumber is too good to eat MRE's?

Then let em' starve, douchebag.

>>10145720
>giving poor people saffron

JUST

>>10147378
MRE's are not designed to be survived off of for long periods, they are simply a supplemental meal for emergencies and when you're stranded someplace and nothing better is available

Government can't get school lunches right, how the fuck can they get this right?

>>10147431
>when you're stranded someplace and nothing better is available
Like being temporarily impoverished until you can get back on your feet, sounds like it fits to me.
>B-but my disability
Fuck off fatty.

>>10145749
>ME NO KNOW HOW TO COOK FOOD
>ME GOING TO STARVE NOW

>all these people suddenly caring about goverment expenses
if only it was sincere and consistent to all parties

>>10147436
>everyone on disability is just fat
you're an idiot

>>10147436
I think you might have a mental illness

>>10147449
I know it's a meme that democrats like to spend but trump want's to pass a budget with a 20% deficit. Face it, both parties like to spend

>>10147402
Because that won't allow the president and his friends to skim. They're treating th e US like their OWN business, and we are the customers, and they're going to beg, borrow, and steal as much as they can before they leave.

I think this is a great idea. Not all of their monthly allotment will be used. If a family of 4 is getting 300 dollars a month then only half of that will be in the box. The other 150 will still be available for the family to spend as needed. Imagine the size and amount of food in that 150 equivalent box per month. Huge!! Bigly box.

The government will be getting the food wholesale as well. Savings for all taxpayers. Sounds like a blue apron idea. I think it's great. I'd be jealous of that monthly food staple box for sure.

>>10147121
Roots, beans, vegetables, certain fruits, grains, flour and cooking oil or butter. This will keep you alive and easily have long enough shelf life.

With some variation in the staples from week to week and a new random spice every now and then you'll have a pretty decent pantry.

>>10147464
of course both parties like to spend, thar's what they fucking do. But it rubs me the wrong way when either party pulls the "but muh spending" card when they NEVER directly address the federal reserve problem, the military industrial complex (that's still going on btw), or the broken aspects of the welfare state, or all the corporate welfare too. Nope, it's selective economic concern and it's such bullshit.

pro tip to all assfaggots so concerned about spending: if you don't want to incur expenses, cut the whole fucking program but no that's too far. There's just no honesty -- of fucking course whatever is being done will be expensive and equally so the status quo.

You just don't like the way other people are approaching the problem, just admit it. Lying about economic concern when YOUR FUCKING PARTY also has big spending plans somewhere else is absolute idiocy

>>10145740
I never understood why it didn't have the same regulations as WIC

>>10145749
These fucks don't even need it, I worked at a Walmart for a year and saw people every day do 2 transactions, 1 for some expensive thing from the electronics department, and a separate snap one, always buying shit food. These people aren't broke they're just leeches.

>>10147459
>>10147460
People with real disabilities long to prove themselves useful and find niche work to accommodate their weaknesses. Lazy fucks sit on their asses and complain about not being handed enough. I can smell the fat on you two.

>>10145720
I think they should do this program and allow all Americans to have access to a wholesale food box. If your on SNAP it comes out of your benefits, if your average joe, you can get a box of food staples for a deep wholesale discount..and that money goes back into the food box program and can also be used as a tax write off for citizens . If I could buy government cheese bricks and peanut butter I would. Shits delicious.

>>10146103
>fresh

>>10146924
Gotta teach a man to cook a fish before giving him one.

>>10145740
4chan has always had a lot of "mah 1500 dollar desktop, mah 200 USD knife, my 150 USD deskchair" etc.

I just figured it's a bunch of children, and adults that got picked on a bunch as kids trying to compensate. Not entirely MAGA.

>>10147549
nice projection faggot because I was the one who picked on bitches like you

>>10145740

>implying maga fags aren't all poor and shit

>>10147560
>implying I wasn't the best of buddies with the in-crowd
Nice try friend.
>projection
>faggot
>picked on
>bitches
>all in one sentence and no punctuation
I feel like orienting a carnival game around guessing people's ages sometimes.

>>10147378
How inhumane! Poor people deserve way better food than that! There was even a huge outrage when people in disaster stricken Puerto Rico were given MREs.

>>10147593
Fuck these people. Maybe they should have been prepared instead of waiting to be taken care of by the gov.
They can starve then. If it's good enough for our military men an women then it's good enough for them for a short time. Ungrateful selfish assholes. I'm triggered. Good lord, if I was legit starving and someone gave me food to eat and survive I would prolly start crying right there and be so thankful.

>>10147593

They gave us MREs after hurricane Iniki. Being a little kid I thought they were pretty awesome. Not sure why anyone would eat them other than out of necessity, though.

>>10147619

Kek. Not sure if joking or legitimately retarded.

>>10147619
The idea of handing out dried rations as food for impoverished people long-term is idiotic. Yes, that man is an ungrateful cunt. But no one going to get back on their feet being fed garbage for months on end; they won't even be thinking straight.

Emergency rations are for short-term emergencies, not for helping a person get their lives or their families back in shape.

>>10147431
>MRE's are not designed to be survived off of for long periods
First, neither should welfare. Second, soldiers have been fed MRE's straight for 6 months at a time with zero issues, and they're active. If they're good enough to feed to the people risking life and limb, then they're good enough for the "poor".

It's not your neighbors job to feed you, douchebag.

>>10147436
This.

>>10147663
I'm not advocating MREs for people on SNAP. Just got triggered by the photo and comment. FEMA doesn't go door to door and drop food off after a disaster. ( unless an area is cutoff) People usually go to a place a get a box of MREs. If the fucker didn't want them then he shouldn't have taken them and sure as hell shouldn't have complained about it.

>>10147675
>First, neither should welfare. Second, soldiers have been fed MRE's straight for 6 months at a time with zero issues, and they're active. If they're good enough to feed to the people risking life and limb, then they're good enough for the "poor".
Depends on your definition of long periods.

Soldiers are by nature fit for and signed up for their occupation. Many people on welfare have no choice in the matter. The things other people volunteered to endure are not relevant to what destitute people have to deal with.

>>10147704
>Destitute people should live luxurious lives
No

>>10147663
>they won't even be thinking straight.

>>10147534
I'd buy a box. Not a bad idea actually

>>10147575
cool grammar checking bro you sure showed me lul

>>10147714
>being able to choose your vegetables and meats based on a limited budget instead of getting dried grains in a bag
>luxury
Back to Moldova with you.

>>10147735
>povertyfags choosing vegetables and meat carefully on a budget with financial sense instead of just wasting it on soda and stupid shit
still no.

>>10147735
Choice is a luxury when you're a literal begger.

>>10147704
>Many people on welfare have no choice in the matter.
Neither do soldiers. They are told what to do, what to eat, and when to eat.

>The things destitute people volunteer to do that leads them into, and sustains, their level of poverty, are not relevant to the fact that normal, hard working, law abiding people should not be forced to provide them with sustenance.
FTFY

This thread makes me glad none of you idiots will ever be remotely put together or successful enough to seek actual political office.

Jesus I am dying here lol you retards

>>10147729
Oh shit, your right.

>>10147749
Giving people something worse than kibbles and bits isn't welfare. Fuck, you're going to drive up debt do to the amount of medical bills you're going to see from this shit. The people who misuse SNAP to buy junk-food are bad enough; you propose forcing everyone else eat enough junk-food to get instant diabetes and rapid organ failure so the state has to pay for that too?

Do you hate yourself as much as you hate them? Do you honestly think there aren't people on disability that got dealt a bad hand? Do you honestly think that dumbass ideas like country-wide uniformity over diet won't cause anything other than increased tax-burden or debt, as well as increased corporate corruption, and decreased public health?

>>10147776
>Jesus I am dying here lol at things I don't understand

Yes timmy. you are special.

>>10147775

I can't wait for the day when all the Vietnam vets are dead so we can all stop pretending like veterans are some kind of sacrificing heroes who deserve any special treatment.

>>10147775
>Neither do soldiers. They are told what to do, what to eat, and when to eat.
Draft ended a long time ago grandpa.

>>10147790
They don't deserve healthcare either, faggot.

>>10147818
You are not guaranteed a job after high-school or college, that doesn't mean you should be euthanized if your field is limited or you become injured.

Faggot.

This country used to take care of it's own and ensure that people found labor. Instead it ensures people find basic shelter and food, and encourages the most impoverished to reproduce and stay unemployed. Instead of encouraging ways to get people back into labor we have idiots like you trying to yank the proverbial rugs out from under them.

Asshole politicians will continue to promote poverty and claim that promoting employment is racism because that's what gets them votes. Molly-coddling minorities really wins support. That doesn't mean welfare isn't a good idea; but employment needs to have incentives.

>>10147704
>>10147714
Rice and beans you fucking faggots.

>>10147848
>Molly-coddling minorities really wins support.

Let's not beat around the bush and just say blacks. Don't pretend like asians and latnios are rioting, looting footlockers, and shooting cops. All the entitlements being passed are catered to blacks.

>>10147848

The sad fact is that most /pol/ tards fall into the impoverished category, but their politicians just keep scapegoating minorities and the hick "muh pride" fuckwits eat it up, just getting madder and madder.

>>10147865
>Rice and beans you fucking faggots.

I grew up poor and lived off of rice & beans. But it's somehow not good enough for blacks? When we struggle, it's normal, but when blacks struggle, they're entitled to free shit?

Why do blacks think they're better than everybody else and are so entitled?

>>10147865
Asking people to deprive themselves, possibly doing damage to their long-term health, because it's survivable is nonsense considering the other fields we're dumping tax-dollars into. If you went on disability tomorrow and were on it for six months, do you honestly think after a little bit of feeling guilty you might be able to realize that your own money was used to support yourself?

>>10147803
What's stopping you now, pumpkin?
>>10147806
>law abiding people from shitty poverty areas of the nation enlist and serve their country at risk of life and limb to avoid becoming a leech on society = not forced into service
>criminal and degenerate people from shitty poverty areas of the nation that make poor life choices that impact their economic viability = forced into poverty
So which is it?

>>10147790
>the only way to do it is by sending out soda and junk food
Fuck no, the very basic produce is what it's supposed to be about. Give them all the legumes, roots, grains, flour and cooking oil they can eat, that's all they need for a boring-ass vegan diet and a cookbook. It'd be cheaper to feed people with than any junk food.

>>10147881
>/pol/

Mexicans and asians are "/pol/" now? lol

You keep using this word /pol/. We do not think it means what you think it means.

>>10147881
This is what 4chan leftists actually believe.

>>10147890
>Why do blacks think they're better than everybody else and are so entitled?
Because Joo's and leftist whites tell them they are.

>>10147803
>all the Vietnam vets are dead so we can all stop pretending like veterans are some kind of sacrificing heroes
Where have you been? We already have the US Israel/Corporate Oil Interest Army soldiers coming back whining about muh glorious service for muh freedoms and the cuckservatives putting it deep into our throats.

>>10147776
no but we do vote :)

>>10147874
Daily reminder there are more than twice as many whites, and growing at a more rapid rate (thx drumpf!) on entitlements as blacks. Try again sturmdrumpfer!

>>10147790
>so the state has to pay for that too?

You're right. The state shouldn't pay for their healthcare either, it would be very expensive indeed fellow non-partisan economically-concerned citizen

>>10147874
"Entitlement" is a word that gets thrown around a lot. You get to hear it a lot from people over 50 complaining about younger generations, which is funny because that makes it their fault. Entitlement is taught.

>>10147881
Race is used by politicians to divide voters. And because people have willing-fully divided themselves and created their own little cultures, it's easy to make safe assumptions about peoples' behaviors. Anyone who has been told what to do, what has been, and what to believe since birth will almost certainly never believe anything else no matter how much evidence there is to the contrary.

>>10147890
>I grew up poor and lived off of rice & beans. But it's somehow not good enough for blacks? When we struggle, it's normal, but when blacks struggle, they're entitled to free shit?

Do you start looting, rioting, and shooting people when you struggle?

Maybe you should, because politicians have shown that acting out in society is how you get entitlements.

>>10147890
>Why do blacks think they're better than everybody else and are so entitled?

Because white liberals keep telling them that they are entitled?

>>10147848
>You are not guaranteed a job after high-school or college
thanks again big gov for turning unis into degree mills and flooding the job market. surely more big gov will fix this.

sarcasm aside literally all the problems you've stated so far are the product of the same thing you're advocating for: nanny police state. kill yourself

>>10147663
MREs are perfectly normal food you know. Not restaurant class stuff but it tastes fine and meets your needs.

>>10147931
>he says this not knowing what a disproprotionate ratio is between 15% of blacks and the remaining 56%

>>10147931
>there are more than twice as many whites, and growing at a more rapid rate (thx drumpf!) on entitlements as blacks.
But there's currently 5 times the number of whites as blacks, shouldn't there be 5 times the number of whites on welfare?

>>10147848
>You are not guaranteed a job after high-school or college

Except for blacks. We must create race based quotas and hire blacks for their skin color alone because they're entitled. Skin color based hiring = equality. Right?

>>10147931
I'm black and I voted Trump
mostly because I really hate illegal immigrants

>>10147967
And womyn....you forgot womyn.

>>10147848
Holy shit, you are poor, of wallet and mind.

>>10147972
>mostly because I really hate illegal immigrants

Reducing the value of labor by underbidding local labor, driving up the prices of low cost housing due to competition with locals, increasing the tax burden due to the need for greater schooling and welfare costs, increasing the crime rate, what's not to like about illegal aliens?

>>10145848
Excess spending is a problem for the GOP?

Did you see the massive deficit they just added.

This is part of a strategy they've been running for decades. It's called the 2 santa claus theory, and you should read up on it.

The plan goes like this. When you are in power, make tax cuts and run up the deficit on your pet projects, like tax cuts for the wealthy, who pay for your campaigns, and control the media.

When the opposition is in power, become a deficit hawk. Scream that the country is bankrupt and demand cuts to social programs.

Here's the reality of our economy. Trickle Down doesn't work, and more spending on social programs, not less, improves the economy.

When a billionaire gets an extra billion dollars, his spending habits don't change. He doesn't invest in capital, because the poor can not afford his product anyway. With no sales, he has no reason to hire laborers.

However, when money is given to the poor, as Bush did with his tax rebate program, the economy is boosted and a need for workers goes up to support the increase in demand.

So please. Give my money to the poor, rather than handing it to corporate welfare, which accounts for far more money from your paycheck than any assistance program we've ever had for the poor.

>>10147972
unironically based

would have an all american cookout with/10

>>10148003

Dude, you can't reason with these idiots. They've been brought up on Fox News their entire lives and simply can't swallow the fact that they've been raised on a steady diet of bullshit.

>>10148003
if you really wanted more money to the poor, you can like, i don't know, issue a flat tax so that a worker keeps more of what he earns you utter mongoloid

>>10148018
the irony when you realize CNN and liberal propaganda do the exact same must be a very painful relevation when you stop strawmanning everyone who doesn't agree with you

>>10148003
No. Your just being dumb

Tax rebate checks are not an efficient way to stimulate the economy. The tax cuts weren't balanced by a decrease in government spending. As a result, it created a $500 billion budget deficit. By the time Bush left office, the federal debt had doubled to $10 trillion. A large sovereign debt that would weaken our country's currency. Sure enough, the dollar weakened as the debt grew larger. As a result, oil prices rose, creating inflation over the long run.

They allow you to buy fast food with snap because no everyone has a car to drive to a super market whenever they want to.

Food deserts are the bigger issue. You will have urban zones where there is only one supermarket in a 5-10 mile radius. Fresh food is a privilege.

>>10148021
I'm for a flat tax. That has very little to do with how the government spends whatever tax is collected.

>>10145736
Beggars can't be choosers.

>>10148029
I wasn't citing the rebates as a desired action. My apologies if it came off that way. I used the example as a data point. Unemployment rates fell for some time after the rebates.

>>10147974
Be careful not to misgender them even if they have a vagina.

>>10147986
Fuck off Samuel Clemens. Come back when you have an argument and not a one-liner.

>>10145739
Canned foods nigga. Send a can opener with the first box, with a one page instruction sheet with pictures showing how to open a can. Also include a bottle of multivitamins.

>>10148034
it has everything to do with it, because the government can't have big corporate welfare and regular welfare, can't fund the military industrial complex, and have to actually be concerned about the debt they already have. Which why is will never happen and people will keep fighting between shitty policies the state offers instead of just telling it to fuck off and get what needs to be done for themselves, or funded voluntarily as a collective instead of theft

>>10146373
We understand your side hustle. We don't want to pay for it.

>>10147006
Apply heat to meat, I know niggers are dumb but come on... At least give them that little bit of agency.

>>10148067
I can't decide if you're being facetious or not.

It's pretty easy. We raise the upper tax rate back to where it was before Eisenhower. We cut back on corporate welfare and military spending, because frankly we're still paying contracts on weapons that have never been usable in any theater of war, and we can count on the wonders of capitalism to take care of the corporations.

The people just had 3 trillion dollars stolen from them in order to provide tax cuts to the top half of the top 1%. And now we're supposed to buy the idea that making innefective changes to an 80 billion dollar program is needed? A program that actually helps people that need it. Tell me who the tax cut helped?

I know we're being told that we're all going to get a huge refund this year, but the tax cuts for the majority are set to expire in 7 years.

>>10145720
Everyone complaining about this on normiebook is a fatass, so theres that

Just alter the current program so that soda can no longer be purchased with SNAP benefits. You could also include candy In that too. Then just leave it alone. The big picture here tho is that this harvest box will never happen. It's political posturing and a distraction from the budget’s proposal to cut SNAP by some 30 percent. People are getting worked up over nothing and that's what they want

>>10147194
>Nightmare for picky people, people throwing away half their meals do to not liking included parts
The first three points you made were legit but not this one, fuck picky eaters, those cunts have never had to starve.

>>10147378
>They should just give those fuckers MRE's.
MRE's are insanely expensive for what they are, the current proposal mentioned in the first post is much cheaper.

>>10148148
>we raise taxds
already dropped. Seriously fuck off and fuck you. Do you think the state already owns all of your labor, and so cutting down taxes is "stealing" from what they already own? You are an enslaved man if someone else owns all of your labor; the state being your slavemaster. Why you think cutting taxes is "stealing" is beyond me when small biz owners like myself need to keep more of my earnings so I can fucking expand to HIRE more people, PAY them a fair wage, and OFFER more products and services to the public.

The state is what steals from people and you dare want to keep it high so people like me can suffocate, go out of business, and only the corporations you claim to shill against can survive. Fuck. Off.

If you want to truly help the unfortunate with food, cut all this gibsmedat EBT and food boxes bullshit and donate your own money like what I do to local charities in your area (like a church for example) so the community can filter who really needs it or not instead of forcing americans to blindly give money to anybody with a pulse

keep taxes low, and keep spending lower. Trickle down doesn't work, but prices definitely. You raise the upper tax bracket, suddenly wholesales adjust price for taxation and I bite the cost because of your shortsightedness. Stop increasing artificial inflation

>>10146451
>>10146465
This, time for pipeline anon.
>a bu bu I don't know how
Doesn't matter, be a grinder bitch or something, you'll still make 50k a year.

>>10148047
I don't get it. Is the misgendered person supposed to be a man?

>>10148047
>The only writers he knows are the free ones on Project Guttenberg
Get a job, asshole.

>>10146151
>My mom had the opportunity to get slightly better jobs over the years, but didn't because they would have cut our welfare handouts by more than what the increase in her income would have been, leaving us worse off than before.

This is what fucks you, the system isn't designed to help people get off it, it almost seems like it actively discourages it.

>make more than 250? a month and everything over gets subtracted from what you would get anyway
>Can't have more than 2k in savings or you get nothing, you literally have to buy shit or you lose income

There are more things that bother me but that's about it, if I didn't give a fuck it would be easy to live like this until I died.

>>10148210
>muh historically proven failed trickle down economics
It took Clinton 8 years to recover the US from that last failed attempt.

>>10148258
I never sad trickle down works, dumbass. We all know wealth doesn't trickle down, but PRICES do. When you tax the rich, they don't just sit there like your fat ass. They adjust prices across the board to compensate the loss, because they're CEOs for a reason not you. This isn't based on history, it's common fucking business sense.

Get a job or even better, try to start a company and you will realize very quickly that the state isn't the sole source of economic activity, more like a hindrance and a thief

so basically the president doesn't matter, just keep your grubby hands off, cocksucker

>>10147658
>Being a little kid I thought they were pretty awesome

This, you can sell MREs to kids so easily it's stupid, literally just "real shit's goin' down so you get real shit goin' down food, just like they do in the army" and boom, done. MREs are now fun. As far as being an adult with any other option, generally go for any other option, their main selling point is that you can crack it open and eat it, and it's cheap. They're not even useful for camping, you don't have the supply chain of the military so you're overpaying, and you have the ability to cook with a flame assuming you're not literally retarded, so they're basically pointless.

>>10148289
>The poor can sell the MRE's to children
I have no problem with this, at least it's almost a job.

>>10148375
Sell the idea, not literally sell them anon. I was saying children will readily eat MREs if you put the tiniest bit of effort in.

>>10148381
Lazy bastards.

>>10145720
/pol/ strikes again. 4chan needs enforcers.

>>10147194
Oh no they create jobs if they do food boxes that's terrible
>picky people throw away the free food
That's on them for being picky

>>10147972
>Republicans
>actually doing anything about illegal immigration


What a laugh.

>>10148254
Of course not, because the government wants to make people dependent and not give them tools to make them into actually fit citizens. Conservatives then turn around and cut social mobility programs and education, then turn right around and blame the poor.

People forget that a lot of people with welfare have jobs, look at how many Walmart workers need food stamps. The problem with welfare is with how it's distributed, it needs to be merit based in combination with level of income. Hire more people to stop welfare fraud. Stop incenitizing young women to use children as a way to get more money. Disability should be its own separate field.

>>10148190
Then I support the most cost effective solution.

>>10148258
>It took Clinton 8 years to recover the US from that last failed attempt.

This is what leftist idiots actually believe.

The U.S. economy took off in the 90's because the entire world was jumping on a new technology called the internet. Combine the net with home computers, accessories, and cell phone development, and there was a huge tech bubble created that had exactly jack and shit to do with Clinton, or any other piece of shit politician or party. That's why the economy took a shit at the end of the 90's/early 00's, because that bubble burst.

>>10145720
The more you feed them, the less they work.

>>10150110
Also, aren't there warnings at zoos against people feeding the animals at the risk of them becoming dependent on the visitors?